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Post #547841  Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 12:12 pm 
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Rather looking forward to it.

I’m going for a Mediterranean meal with the lads first then trying to beat John’s record number of pints watching it round town


Stick to the Guinness. Thats what I did. Good luck


Failure I’m afraid

Possibly About 8 or 9 assorted lagers I vaguely reckon, wolfed down with the following… meze, mixed Greek grill, 2 packets of crisps, 1 packet of space invaders, a cheese an onion roll from the boozer and a chicken chow mein at about midnight when I should have known better


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Stick to the Guinness. Thats what I did. Good luck


Failure I’m afraid

Possibly About 8 or 9 assorted lagers I vaguely reckon, wolfed down with the following… meze, mixed Greek grill, 2 packets of crisps, 1 packet of space invaders, a cheese an onion roll from the boozer and a chicken chow mein at about midnight when I should have known better

Sounds ‘different’. Good luck with that. :laughing7:

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Post #547843  Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 1:22 pm 
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Actually the policing from the French for our cup winners cup final there was a bit mental too if I recall. They tried to lock our fans in after the game if I remember and it led to a group of fans bashing the gate open.

I remember walking past a huge platoon of armed French policeman on the way out. Seemed unreal

Every time I’ve been to Paris involves arsenal losing a football match


Perhaps English supporters have a reputation?


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Post #547844  Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 1:26 pm 
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Stick to the Guinness. Thats what I did. Good luck


Failure I’m afraid

Possibly About 8 or 9 assorted lagers I vaguely reckon, wolfed down with the following… meze, mixed Greek grill, 2 packets of crisps, 1 packet of space invaders, a cheese an onion roll from the boozer and a chicken chow mein at about midnight when I should have known better


Great effort :53big-emoticons:

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Post #547845  Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 1:27 pm 
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Actually the policing from the French for our cup winners cup final there was a bit mental too if I recall. They tried to lock our fans in after the game if I remember and it led to a group of fans bashing the gate open.

I remember walking past a huge platoon of armed French policeman on the way out. Seemed unreal

Every time I’ve been to Paris involves arsenal losing a football match


Perhaps English supporters have a reputation?

Not sure about that. How much aggro have our teams caused recently.

Might be racism. Possibly racist towards the English.


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Post #547846  Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 1:31 pm 
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Despite the stats Liverpool should have lost 2-0 so that's that. So called best team in europe lost. So called best team in England didnt win the league. They won the fa cup and league cup. Well done.

I like this Liverpool team and how they play but *%^@ off to the media in the circle jerk.


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Perhaps English supporters have a reputation?

Not sure about that. How much aggro have our teams caused recently.

Might be racism. Possibly racist towards the English.


Almost certainly but stereotypes can often be mistaken for racism.

Perhaps some English fans abroad have left an impression on People.


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Failure I’m afraid

Possibly About 8 or 9 assorted lagers I vaguely reckon, wolfed down with the following… meze, mixed Greek grill, 2 packets of crisps, 1 packet of space invaders, a cheese an onion roll from the boozer and a chicken chow mein at about midnight when I should have known better

The crucial question is what flavour were the crisps? My own favourite flavour is the Marmite crisps that Walkers do.


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Bernard wrote:
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Failure I’m afraid

Possibly About 8 or 9 assorted lagers I vaguely reckon, wolfed down with the following… meze, mixed Greek grill, 2 packets of crisps, 1 packet of space invaders, a cheese an onion roll from the boozer and a chicken chow mein at about midnight when I should have known better

The crucial question is what flavour were the crisps? My own favourite flavour is the Marmite crisps that Walkers do.


There were 2 packets so I would hope that marmite and a late night salt n vinegar were had.


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I like this Liverpool team and how they play but *%^@ off to the media in the circle jerk.

That’s basically why I can’t stand Liverpool. I find the media’s worship of them bloody stomach churning. I find their (or Klopp’s) style of football more entertaining than Guardiola’s. But I was delighted when City won the title, as I was when Real beat them yesterday.


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Post #547851  Posted: Sun May 29, 2022 1:43 pm 
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Bernard wrote:
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Failure I’m afraid

Possibly About 8 or 9 assorted lagers I vaguely reckon, wolfed down with the following… meze, mixed Greek grill, 2 packets of crisps, 1 packet of space invaders, a cheese an onion roll from the boozer and a chicken chow mein at about midnight when I should have known better

The crucial question is what flavour were the crisps? My own favourite flavour is the Marmite crisps that Walkers do.

I can’t remember I’m sorry, it wasn’t traditional so it was something like chorizo or something. Quite nice

Even madder was eating the pre made cheese rolls on the counter of a dodgy looking boozer.

Don’t know why but we just kept eating and eating last night. I suppose half a dozen or so lagers does that.


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After many decades of watching football I find the laws slipping away from me. I used to understand the offside law but no longer.

The Benzema disallowance baffled me last night. It seemed that a Liverpool player had played it through to him thus making it onside.

But no…according to the official Laws of the Game:
"A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent."

So as it turns out the key word is deliberate. So the referee/VAR has to be a mind reader then.

It’s right up there with the handball nonsense.

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long time gooner wrote:
After many decades of watching football I find the laws slipping away from me. I used to understand the offside law but no longer.

The Benzema disallowance baffled me last night. It seemed that a Liverpool player had played it through to him thus making it onside.

But no…according to the official Laws of the Game:
"A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent."

So as it turns out the key word is deliberate. So the referee/VAR has to be a mind reader then.

It’s right up there with the handball nonsense.

What player ever ‘deliberately’ plays the ball to an opponent?


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Rangnick is not taking up his consultancy role at Man U. So they bought him in as a temp manager, which isn’t his strong point, and now he leaves before he starts the role he is good at and was intended for!


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Apparently Mané has decided he’s leaving Liverpool. Bayern are the strongest linked team. If Gnabry is leaving Bayern that all makes perfect sense as a replacement.


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My evenings silliness aside on a footballing level I did find myself wondering what might have been if wenger had managed to convince Benzema to join us those few years ago when he was potentially leaving, a quality player without question that would have had a major impact.

We’ve missed a talismanic type player for so long, really it might have galvanised us at that point.

For this reason I’m not sure if Gabriel Jesus is the one. He will improve us indefinitely and if it’s him he will do a good job but it doesn’t strike me as the ruthless winner that we need

And Vinicius wouldn’t go amiss either


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long time gooner wrote:
After many decades of watching football I find the laws slipping away from me. I used to understand the offside law but no longer.

The Benzema disallowance baffled me last night. It seemed that a Liverpool player had played it through to him thus making it onside.

But no…according to the official Laws of the Game:
"A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent."

So as it turns out the key word is deliberate. So the referee/VAR has to be a mind reader then.

It’s right up there with the handball nonsense.

You are right,
I genuinely think there’s several deliberate interpretations of the rules so that the refs can make it up as they go along.


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Rich wrote:
Rangnick is not taking up his consultancy role at Man U. So they bought him in as a temp manager, which isn’t his strong point, and now he leaves before he starts the role he is good at and was intended for!

Probably for the best for Man U. It was never going to work well was it? I can’t imagine that ten Hag would pay him much attention.

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long time gooner wrote:
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Rangnick is not taking up his consultancy role at Man U. So they bought him in as a temp manager, which isn’t his strong point, and now he leaves before he starts the role he is good at and was intended for!

Probably for the best for Man U. It was never going to work well was it? I can’t imagine that ten Hag would pay him much attention.

Well most big clubs now operate with a director of football who deals with transfers and the overall long term vision and philosophy of the club - kind of irrespective of who the manager is. Man U haven't had this and is a huge reason they are in the mess they're in because they chopped and changed manager's so quickly giving each of them a war chest to shape the squad how they wanted which left a collection of players bought by 4 or so different managers each with a different view on how they want the game played.


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Rich wrote:
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Probably for the best for Man U. It was never going to work well was it? I can’t imagine that ten Hag would pay him much attention.

Well most big clubs now operate with a director of football who deals with transfers and the overall long term vision and philosophy of the club - kind of irrespective of who the manager is. Man U haven't had this and is a huge reason they are in the mess they're in because they chopped and changed manager's so quickly giving each of them a war chest to shape the squad how they wanted which left a collection of players bought by 4 or so different managers each with a different view on how they want the game played.

True. But I’m not convinced that a just failed manager is going to be the right fit for that role.

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Bernard wrote:
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Failure I’m afraid

Possibly About 8 or 9 assorted lagers I vaguely reckon, wolfed down with the following… meze, mixed Greek grill, 2 packets of crisps, 1 packet of space invaders, a cheese an onion roll from the boozer and a chicken chow mein at about midnight when I should have known better

The crucial question is what flavour were the crisps? My own favourite flavour is the Marmite crisps that Walkers do.

We don't get marmite here, let alone marmite flavoured crisps, any more. Very sad.

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I see Jon Miss has signed off his refereeing career in style in the richest game in football the Championship play off. Paul Tierney on VAR playing his part as well - we still have to suffer him next season


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Forest in the prem for next year. Glad they came up instead of Huddersfield for the only reason that it’s been ages since they were in the league and I like it when it’s mixed up a bit.

What’s the betting we are away to Forest on a Friday night for the first game of the new season?


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Forest in the prem for next year. Glad they came up instead of Huddersfield for the only reason that it’s been ages since they were in the league and I like it when it’s mixed up a bit.

What’s the betting we are away to Forest on a Friday night for the first game of the new season?


The new "Brentford" next season?

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This article was online about Leno
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... -Leno.html

So we are asking 8.5mil and are having trouble getting that.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
This article was online about Leno
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... -Leno.html

So we are asking 8.5mil and are having trouble getting that.


One of the newly promoted teams could do much worse than signing him up as their #1.


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Forest in the prem for next year. Glad they came up instead of Huddersfield for the only reason that it’s been ages since they were in the league and I like it when it’s mixed up a bit.

What’s the betting we are away to Forest on a Friday night for the first game of the new season?

The new "Brentford" next season?

Must admit I’m not pleased at all that Forest came up instead of Huddersfield. I’ve made the trek to Nottingham loads of times to see us play them and seen us lose quite a few of them, if not ‘lots’ of them. I didn’t go to the FA Cup game this season (I suppose it’s now ‘last’ season), but it cost us one of the two semi-realistic chances we had of lifting a trophy.

What reason would an Arsenal fan have to dislike Huddersfield? They beat us at their ground in the 1970/71 season, but we still won the title so who cares? Indeed, had we not lost at Huddersfield perhaps the title clincher at White Hart Lane would not have been so dramatic? I don’t recall losing a game to Huddersfield that I now see as particularly important.

Huddersfield are close neighbours (in a different but nearby location sort of way like Newcastle and Sunderland) to Leeds and since I’ve been following football have always been deeply in their shadow. Their fans will no doubt dislike Leeds, and that makes them okay by me. So do I. Indeed, I’d have much preferred Leeds to go down than Burnley. I still remember seeing Don Revie’s brilliant but violent Leeds side beat us in two cup finals (the 1968 League Cup and 1972 FA Cup). Huddersfield again being Yorkshire’s representative in the Premier League rather than Leeds would have amused me.


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This article was online about Leno
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... -Leno.html

So we are asking 8.5mil and are having trouble getting that.


One of the newly promoted teams could do much worse than signing him up as their #1.

I’d go way further than saying one of the newly promoted clubs. If I was listing the best Arsenal keepers I’ve seen, Leno would be closer to the top than Fabianski who is West Ham’s first choice.


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There is two markets for selling players, selling them abroad and selling them to a Prem club. Our best recent sales have all been to Prem clubs. Willock, Iwobi, Even Walcott and Ox were good sales.


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There is two markets for selling players, selling them abroad and selling them to a Prem club. Our best recent sales have all been to Prem clubs. Willock, Iwobi, Even Walcott and Ox were good sales.

Yes but convincing a German that he may be better off in the UK may be a tough sell.

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There is two markets for selling players, selling them abroad and selling them to a Prem club. Our best recent sales have all been to Prem clubs. Willock, Iwobi, Even Walcott and Ox were good sales.

It also feels like there is another market especially for Arsenal.

Any player that we want to buy seems to inflate in price, and any player that we want to sell has a price reduction.

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Apparently Gnabry has turned down a 19m euro a year deal from Bayern - that is over £300k a week. I don't think we can or should go there at all if that is the kind of money he wants


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https://breakingthelines.com/data-analy ... el-arteta/

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Apparently Gnabry has turned down a 19m euro a year deal from Bayern - that is over £300k a week. I don't think we can or should go there at all if that is the kind of money he wants


This whole thing screams to me of a player negotiating his final large contract with existing club. Expect an announcement he’s signed a new contract and wants to end his career in Germany shortly.

On the 300k thing I’m not sure what the answer is. If you want top players they will ask for big wages. What’s the alternative ? You opt out ? Well then you will never compete.

I think because we’ve been burned by ozils contract we are too wary.


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On Leno if a club can’t afford 8.5 million for him then don’t sell him. Selling him for less is lunacy.

Benfica can’t afford 8 million for Leno when we paid them the same amount for Tavares. Literally hang up the phone. Go away and don’t come back


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On Leno if a club can’t afford 8.5 million for him then don’t sell him. Selling him for less is lunacy.

Benfica can’t afford 8 million for Leno when we paid them the same amount for Tavares. Literally hang up the phone. Go away and don’t come back

It does seem quite remarkable in today’s football finances that no clubs fancy picking him up at that price. He looks like a real bargain.

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On Leno if a club can’t afford 8.5 million for him then don’t sell him. Selling him for less is lunacy.

Benfica can’t afford 8 million for Leno when we paid them the same amount for Tavares. Literally hang up the phone. Go away and don’t come back

It does seem quite remarkable in today’s football finances that no clubs fancy picking him up at that price. He looks like a real bargain.

He’s a steal at 15 million never mind half that. Easily got another 5 years for a keeper

We signed Peter Čech for 10 million and he was 3 years older.

I’m surprised a club like Southampton haven’t bitten. They have a load of bad keepers. Would be a no brainier of a transfer


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It does seem quite remarkable in today’s football finances that no clubs fancy picking him up at that price. He looks like a real bargain.

He’s a steal at 15 million never mind half that. Easily got another 5 years for a keeper

We signed Peter Čech for 10 million and he was 3 years older.

I’m surprised a club like Southampton haven’t bitten. They have a load of bad keepers. Would be a no brainier of a transfer

Painful memory of the Southampton keeper Fraser Forster playing out of his skin against us last month.

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Apparently Gnabry has turned down a 19m euro a year deal from Bayern - that is over £300k a week. I don't think we can or should go there at all if that is the kind of money he wants


This whole thing screams to me of a player negotiating his final large contract with existing club. Expect an announcement he’s signed a new contract and wants to end his career in Germany shortly.

On the 300k thing I’m not sure what the answer is. If you want top players they will ask for big wages. What’s the alternative ? You opt out ? Well then you will never compete.

I think because we’ve been burned by ozils contract we are too wary.

I agree top players get top contracts but no one at Liverpool is on £300k a week, and that's even after all the success they've had. We're really not a club who can afford £300k a week before success. We need to grow players in to £300k a week players not buy them at that wage.


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