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TOP GUN · **#400041**

1979gooner wrote:

How about the most influential bad refereeing decisions?

Up there for me-

Eto'o offside goal in CL final for Barca

RVP red card in Nou Camp

Rooney dive penalty at Old Trafford

Liverpool handball goal in cup final

Let's be negstive.....

It’s just the entire 49 game loss at old Trafford and all the decisions within it. It needs to be considered whole.

That was quite simply a rigged game of football.

dec · **#400042**

TOP GUN wrote:

1979gooner wrote:

How about the most influential bad refereeing decisions?

Up there for me-

Eto'o offside goal in CL final for Barca

RVP red card in Nou Camp

Rooney dive penalty at Old Trafford

Liverpool handball goal in cup final

Let's be negstive.....

It’s just the entire 49 game loss at old Trafford and all the decisions within it. It needs to be considered whole.

That was quite simply a rigged game of football.

The refereeing away to Bolton in 2003 was totally bent too. That match gave United the advantage in the title run-in.

Rich · **#400043**

1979gooner wrote:

How about the most influential bad refereeing decisions?..

Now you’re talking my language….how long have you got? :58big-emoticons:

Rich · **#400044**

Thomas Tuchel: “Ben White didn’t refuse the call, he loves to be back in the squad”.

“I just think it’s a bit too early now for him given the seriousness of his injury. I’m delighted he’s back. We’re monitoring his progress. Thanks to everyone at Arsenal”.

Rich · **#400045**

dec wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

It’s just the entire 49 game loss at old Trafford and all the decisions within it. It needs to be considered whole.

That was quite simply a rigged game of football.

The refereeing away to Bolton in 2003 was totally bent too. That match gave United the advantage in the title run-in.

The 4-4 v Newcastle. Phil Dowd.
Invented a couple of penalties
Sent off Diaby
Let Barton and Nolan run riot with all kinds of bad fouls and violent conduct.
The ref totally created a prem game that gets talked about all the time - he made the story that day

1979gooner · **#400046**

Remember those games well.

That Bolton one was shocking. 2-2 wasn't it?

I recall Bolton getting away with 3 or 4 red card tackles. Atrocious.

1979gooner · **#400047**

Rich wrote:

dec wrote:

The refereeing away to Bolton in 2003 was totally bent too. That match gave United the advantage in the title run-in.

The 4-4 v Newcastle. Phil Dowd.
Invented a couple of penalties
Sent off Diaby
Let Barton and Nolan run riot with all kinds of bad fouls and violent conduct.
The ref totally created a prem game that gets talked about all the time - he made the story that day

God, I just re-watched that 4-4. Just sums up how biased the refereeing has been over the the last few decades, we would have won 5-10 titles under Wenger with decent refereeing.

The Diaby red was absolutely shocking, the 'raised hands' rule is selectively enforced to this day, when it's done to an Arsenal player it's never a red card, Diaby did so little. The 2nd penalty was atrocious, you can just see Dowd's hatred of Arsenal on his face, he was just looking to punish us.

How things change...not.....the same biased shite continues to this day.

TOP GUN · **#400048**

1979gooner wrote:

Remember those games well.

That Bolton one was shocking. 2-2 wasn't it?

I recall Bolton getting away with 3 or 4 red card tackles. Atrocious.

We had 3 players stretchered off. When has that ever happened

Ash · **#400049**

Rich wrote:

Ash wrote:

Good morning Soc,

I guess you can still amortise over 5 years but sales count immediately. I think sales are key and they have sold an awful lot. But also I’ve got no *%^@*** idea and it’s really annoying. They just keep kicking the can down the road and keep finding a solution when they get there. :dontknow:

I guess inflation of tv money and prize money means money paid now is effectively worth less down the road, so buy now pay later is always a winner, but that only works if there is continued growth. They could get saddled with “negative equity” like those 80s houses if there’s a contraction in the football market, but they’re probably looking at the Club World Cup rightfully as the cash cow it is.

Financially I think it is a bit risky but I can see it coming off for them because financial markets are bent as all hell, so there’s always some way for the rich to move money around.

But football wise I think it’s a destabilising thing to do and Chelsea will continue to be inconsistent on the pitch.

That's a pretty good overview of how they are doing it. The longer contracts spread fees out over the length of the contract but that is wholly reliant on always managing to sell players as well. I don't necessarily see a long queue lining up to hand chelsea money for their players right now. I cant think of many Chelsea signings in the Bohley era that are a fully fledged success.
They are somewhat reliant on general football inflation, and certainly on the riches from the club world cup - but no champions league is harming them quite a lot, and would also hugely harm both villa and newcastle if they don't get CL next season.
And to be honest there haven't been many players chelsea have signed where I've thought, "hello, here's a title winning squad being built"

I guess one could say, it’s been what a couple of years now of
Boehly and they’re buying 50M wonder kids every window. Do you think there’s a chance of a critical mass of talent a season (or two, or three) all hitting 19-22 and they’re suddenly contenders?

Wait… It’s the Tottenham thing again isn’t it, where they bought 4 teenagers and it’s all *%^@. We tried it with “project youth” and Denilson is the poster boy for that in my mind.. I’ve talked myself out of it. Buying the occasional wonder kid 17 year old seems to be ok so long as it’s not for 50million, but this mass graduation of world class talent never seems to happen.

Give me Hale end any day they’re smashing it at the moment.

Ash · **#400050**

Rich wrote:

dec wrote:

The refereeing away to Bolton in 2003 was totally bent too. That match gave United the advantage in the title run-in.

The 4-4 v Newcastle. Phil Dowd.
Invented a couple of penalties
Sent off Diaby
Let Barton and Nolan run riot with all kinds of bad fouls and violent conduct.
The ref totally created a prem game that gets talked about all the time - he made the story that day

Phil Dowd is from Stoke-on-Trent so I can’t believe he’d have a problem with Arsenal in any way shape or form and I won’t hear a word against him.

Ash · **#400051**

Worth a watch even if you’ve seen it before. It makes me so disproportionately happy :laughing7:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9P9AcbVq9o

kiwipete · **#400052**

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Strange ; as a Kiwi if my local rugby team ; the Waikato Chiefs were not contesting the Super 15 final but another NZ team was ; against South African or Aussie opposition ..... I would want the Kiwi team to win .

So why is when Liverpool gets knocked out of the Champions League by a Froggie team ; the whole of England barring the Red Scousers are gloriously happy

What is the difference , can't figure that at all ...?? :icon_scratch:

TOP GUN · **#400053**

Ash wrote:

Worth a watch even if you’ve seen it before. It makes me so disproportionately happy :laughing7:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9P9AcbVq9o

It never gets old.

Sounds like Arseblogger did the voice over

Decaf · **#400054**

kiwipete wrote:

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Strange ; as a Kiwi if my local rugby team ; the Waikato Chiefs were not contesting the Super 15 final but another NZ team was ; against South African or Aussie opposition ..... I would want the Kiwi team to win .

So why is when Liverpool gets knocked out of the Champions League by a Froggie team ; the whole of England barring the Red Scousers are gloriously happy

What is the difference , can't figure that at all ...?? :icon_scratch:

I guess it is because club football is what people identify with, and national competitions are mostly just a drag?

Whereas with rugby the focus is on National teams. At least that is how it feels to me in SA. They never really replaced the old curry cup. The various international club competitions feel very contrived. I don't even know what the rugby and cricket 'franchises' in SA are called to be honest.

Rich · **#400055**

Great to have Ben White back but it is worth noting he looked quite rusty, he’s been out for longer than Saka but there should be some caution on Saka’s comeback. In shorter absences like Martinelli who was out for a month or so looked quite sharp. I feel like the Madrid home leg might be too soon for Saka to start. I think we only have one game after Chelsea tomorrow before the Madrid game

Rich · **#400056**

If Arsenal were 9 points ahead rather than 9 points behind at the end of January do you think that would have changed the boards decision on pushing the extra £20m for Watkins?

kiwipete · **#400057**

Decaf wrote:

kiwipete wrote:

.
Strange ; as a Kiwi if my local rugby team ; the Waikato Chiefs were not contesting the Super 15 final but another NZ team was ; against South African or Aussie opposition ..... I would want the Kiwi team to win .

So why is when Liverpool gets knocked out of the Champions League by a Froggie team ; the whole of England barring the Red Scousers are gloriously happy

What is the difference , can't figure that at all ...?? :icon_scratch:

I guess it is because club football is what people identify with, and national competitions are mostly just a drag?
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Not sure what you are saying ....... Liverpool v PSV are teams from two different countries ; exactly same as say the Crusaders NZ v Bulls SA .
I'd want the Crusaders to win even though my team are the Chiefs .

:1laughter:

I bet no Arsenal supporter wanted Liverpool to win ....

Hmmm except perhaps Old Hoy steeped in British spirit ; harbouring a grudge against that dastardly rotter de Gaulle

Gunfire · **#400058**

Rich wrote:

If Arsenal were 9 points ahead rather than 9 points behind at the end of January do you think that would have changed the boards decision on pushing the extra £20m for Watkins?

Good question. I'd say no.

Gunfire · **#400059**

1979gooner wrote:

Remember those games well.

That Bolton one was shocking. 2-2 wasn't it?

I recall Bolton getting away with 3 or 4 red card tackles. Atrocious.

That was a shocker.

Ash · **#400060**

Rich wrote:

If Arsenal were 9 points ahead rather than 9 points behind at the end of January do you think that would have changed the boards decision on pushing the extra £20m for Watkins?

9 points clear is too many! :1laughter:

They’d figure we’re home and dry!

But seriously if we were within a point or two and Saka was fit I’d personally have been more inclined to “splurge” to the detriment of summer business. But that wasn’t the case and I think it was an ok decision to wait til the summer.

I’m still not convinced this transfer was on the level. Whenitt was reported everyone was saying how disrespectful it was that we made an approach on the night of their game or whatever when it was clear they’d come to us 2/3 days prior.

dec · **#400061**

Decaf wrote:

kiwipete wrote:

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Strange ; as a Kiwi if my local rugby team ; the Waikato Chiefs were not contesting the Super 15 final but another NZ team was ; against South African or Aussie opposition ..... I would want the Kiwi team to win .

So why is when Liverpool gets knocked out of the Champions League by a Froggie team ; the whole of England barring the Red Scousers are gloriously happy

What is the difference , can't figure that at all ...?? :icon_scratch:

I guess it is because club football is what people identify with, and national competitions are mostly just a drag?

Whereas with rugby the focus is on National teams. At least that is how it feels to me in SA. They never really replaced the old curry cup. The various international club competitions feel very contrived. I don't even know what the rugby and cricket 'franchises' in SA are called to be honest.

It's different here. Very few Munster fans would cheer for Leinster. The rivalry goes back decades but also, the deck is firmly stacked in Leinster's favour which leads to resentment. I would certainly cheer for Connaught if they were in a European final though.

I suppose football is different but the culture around the game is a distant relation of sportsmanship.

And VVD plays for Liverpool so you couldn't like them anyway.

old man of hoy · **#400062**

kiwipete wrote:

...I bet no Arsenal supporter wanted Liverpool to win .... Hmmm except perhaps Old Hoy steeped in British spirit; harbouring a grudge against that dastardly rotter de Gaulle

Actually I admired De Gaulle's love of his country - could do with a bit of that here, if that is not too far right to say so. I do admire Liverpool as a football club (St. John, Big Ron, Roger, Stevie Heighway, Thompson, Fowler, Owen, Gerrard, Emlyn and John Barnes - how could you not?) but I did a jig over the PSG result. Over the two legs the best team won. The Mickies will get their due rewards this season.

Ash · **#400063**

TOP GUN wrote:

Ash wrote:

Worth a watch even if you’ve seen it before. It makes me so disproportionately happy :laughing7:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9P9AcbVq9o

It never gets old.

Sounds like Arseblogger did the voice over

It does sound like him but he said it wasn’t him. It was made by paddy power.

TOP GUN · **#400064**

Ash wrote:

TOP GUN wrote:

It never gets old.

Sounds like Arseblogger did the voice over

It does sound like him but he said it wasn’t him. It was made by paddy power.

I wonder if he just said that because of the agreement with paddy power because it sounds literally like the way he speaks, the exchange would only have got picked up by an arsenal fan and it’s literally right up his sense of humour. who knows

it’s not his finest moment though which was mentioning (made-up) the fact that Carl's Jenkinsons dad used to sing the backing vocals "Turn around" on Bonnie Tyler's "Total eclipse of the heart” wenger and jenkinson even had to deny it was true. that was *%^@*** brilliant

Rich · **#400065**

Arteta has said the emergence of MLS and Nwaneri has made the clubs rethink their recruitment plans. Considering the quality we’ve seen from the both I think that is fair. Neither will play every game but they can now be considered first team players who can start games even when everyone is fit and can come off the bench with a view to changing the game.
There will still be mistakes and inconsistent moments, they’re 17 and 18 but you have to keep giving them chances. It’s hugely important for the fans to have these two in the first team squad as well. If you were trying to buy players of this age and quality in the summer you’d be talking £100m for the pair

dec · **#400066**

TOP GUN wrote:

Ash wrote:

It does sound like him but he said it wasn’t him. It was made by paddy power.

I wonder if he just said that because of the agreement with paddy power because it sounds literally like the way he speaks, the exchange would only have got picked up by an arsenal fan and it’s literally right up his sense of humour. who knows

it’s not his finest moment though which was mentioning (made-up) the fact that Carl's Jenkinsons dad used to sing the backing vocals "Turn around" on Bonnie Tyler's "Total eclipse of the heart” wenger and jenkinson even had to deny it was true. that was *%^@*** brilliant

I've met him. He's a very nice guy. I don't know how he keeps churning out the blog every morning.

Ash · **#400067**

Rare to feel sorry for a footballer but honestly this situation is a bit crap. Sliding doors moment where we were going to pay £60M for him!

Gunfire · **#400068**

Ash wrote:

Rare to feel sorry for a footballer but honestly this situation is a bit crap. Sliding doors moment where we were going to pay £60M for him!

His head hasn't been right for a while. Bundles of talent.

Lincoln gooner · **#400069**

Gunfire wrote:

Ash wrote:

Rare to feel sorry for a footballer but honestly this situation is a bit crap. Sliding doors moment where we were going to pay £60M for him!

His head hasn't been right for a while. Bundles of talent.

Maybe we could pick him up now. Offer a cheeky fiver?

Ash · **#400070**

Lincoln gooner wrote:

Gunfire wrote:

His head hasn't been right for a while. Bundles of talent.

Maybe we could pick him up now. Offer a cheeky fiver?

Sterling type loan would be definitely on, but suits Chelsea for us to rehabilitate him for them. How much would you countenance it for? I wouldn’t for anything over 10M. Rather get Nico Williams for his buyout.

Gunfire · **#400071**

Ash wrote:

Lincoln gooner wrote:

Maybe we could pick him up now. Offer a cheeky fiver?

Sterling type loan would be definitely on, but suits Chelsea for us to rehabilitate him for them. How much would you countenance it for? I wouldn’t for anything over 10M. Rather get Nico Williams for his buyout.

100%.

Rich · **#400072**

City and Brighton drawing is good today. We still have work to secure top 4, but currently there are not enough teams below us capable us putting a run of 6-7 wins together

Rich · **#400073**

Joan Garcia is a brilliant gk, I’d happily get him this summer even tho f we had to loan him somewhere for a year to keep him playing. He looks top class. Similar to Raya in style

Ash · **#400074**

Rich wrote:

Joan Garcia is a brilliant gk, I’d happily get him this summer even tho f we had to loan him somewhere for a year to keep him playing. He looks top class. Similar to Raya in style

And he’s 191cm which is what 6’3”?

However Raya has done great with however tall he is and I think has, what, 3 seasons at least at the level he’s playing at? I’d question how we sign his replacement whilst he’s still alive. I wouldn’t make the move if I was Joan.

City is the logical move, much as I have to admit it, Ederson was nearly gone last summer. Hopefully they’ll be playing in the Isthmian north or whatever so it won’t be an issue.

dec · **#400075**

Enough with the goalies! We've had Leno, Martinez, Ramsdale and Raya in 4 years yet haven't had a proper striker since Aubameyang left.

We clearly need 4 more left backs though.

Lincoln gooner · **#400076**

Ash wrote:

Lincoln gooner wrote:

Maybe we could pick him up now. Offer a cheeky fiver?

Sterling type loan would be definitely on, but suits Chelsea for us to rehabilitate him for them. How much would you countenance it for? I wouldn’t for anything over 10M. Rather get Nico Williams for his buyout.

He'd be worth a punt for £10M.

kiwipete · **#400077**

old man of hoy wrote:

kiwipete wrote:

...I bet no Arsenal supporter wanted Liverpool to win .... Hmmm except perhaps Old Hoy steeped in British spirit; harbouring a grudge against that dastardly rotter de Gaulle

Actually I admired De Gaulle's love of his country - could do with a bit of that here, if that is not too far right to say so. I do admire Liverpool as a football club (St. John, Big Ron, Roger, Stevie Heighway, Thompson, Fowler, Owen, Gerrard, Emlyn and John Barnes - how could you not?) but I did a jig over the PSG result. Over the two legs the best team won. The Mickies will get their due rewards this season.

Covered all the bases nicely there Old Man .... on de Gaulle totally agree ; the quality of leadership in the whole of the Western world these days is abysmal .

Regarding Liverpool ...don't want to come over too Mother Teresa forgiving here ; but getting your nuts in a Gordian knot over the fortunes of opposing teams does seem a bit pointless ... a self satisfied chuckle is totally justified .

Anyway beautiful Sunday in NZ and I have had an epiphanic moment ......... dragged EIGHT V8 motors and cartons of various allied CR**p out of my workshop going to sell them

Lawdy Miss Clawdy ,,, the space to behold ; taking a great deal of pleasure setting up to make this scrap art .

Have this oldie ; prefer it to the original https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2lCDQ8j9bE

warrior · **#400078**

Hello all.

It's a rather sad anniversary today. It would have been 20 years ago on this day that our forums founder passed away at the age of only 41.

Steve Gleiber would have been 61.

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Thanks to all the long time members for sticking around with us here over the years in the forums various incarnations and also to our newer members for being a part of it.

I know it means a great deal to Steve's family and in particular to Steve's parents John and Judith to see his dream remain alive and used by so many.

https://www.stevegleiber.com/mempost.htm

kiwipete · **#400079**

warrior wrote:

Hello all.

It's a rather sad anniversary today. It would have been 20 years ago on this day that our forums founder passed away at the age of only 41.

Steve Gleiber would have been 61.

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Thanks to all the long time members for sticking around with us here over the years in the forums various incarnations and also to our newer members for being a part of it.

I know it means a great deal to Steve's family and in particular to Steve's parents John and Judith to see his dream remain alive and used by so many.

https://www.stevegleiber.com/mempost.htm

Echo that ... the content and tonal values are what makes Steve's creation very special . Dark green background makes viewing very easy ; a fact that escapes a lot of other football forums .

You left out the obvious that if wasn't you Rog ... the Gleiber would have drifted off into the sunset .. . so thanks once again and RIP Steve

Gaz from Oz · **#400080**

To John and Judith, thank you for keeping Steve’s forum going. Warrior your untiring efforts are appreciated.

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