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Post #555601  Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:22 pm 
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If we have any chance of getting/trying for Bellingham I’d break the bank for him.
I recall waxing lyrical about him in a debate with Bernard in Bellingham v Rice. Wish he was still with us to see what he thinks of Bellinghams World Cup.

He would have enjoyed Rice's performance too. They are an excellent and well matched pair.

England do look very good. The one flaw is that their buildup looks very laborious against teams that are defending resolutely.

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Post #555602  Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 1:28 am 
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England France will be a fascinating game. I just hope it doesn't bog down to one of those typical European games where both teams are too scared to have a go.

But as a neutral I think England have a better attack than France, but only just. I think Mbappe is better than any English player but Saka could be at that level by next WC. It may however come down to the defense and England haven't been really tested yet. Just not sure when the pressure comes, England will be defensively cohesive enough.

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Post #555603  Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 6:41 am 
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England France will be a fascinating game. I just hope it doesn't bog down to one of those typical European games where both teams are too scared to have a go.

But as a neutral I think England have a better attack than France, but only just. I think Mbappe is better than any English player but Saka could be at that level by next WC. It may however come down to the defense and England haven't been really tested yet. Just not sure when the pressure comes, England will be defensively cohesive enough.

Especially if they have to chase. Imagine Mbappe running at Mcguire.

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Post #555604  Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 8:26 am 
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I agree it has been a very enjoyable world cup so far with lots of tension, drama, comebacks and upsets by teams not expected to get results. Each fan base has been good at creating some atmosphere in the grounds as well. :9adore-boo:

I don't think 2023 can be compared with the game of the 70s which are completely different for pace, skill and fitness.


you have a crystal ball and all :42laughter: (2023 :15laughter: )


Lol yes out of context it sounds a bit silly. You missed the earlier comment where it was being claimed that somehow the stars of the 70s were a level above the quality seen today. A little ludicrous if you ask me.


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Good win for Southgate's team - the four games played so far have been against sides ranked in the top 20 by FIFA. The next one is a seriously tough challenge, but France will take it lightly at their peril. I must admit to thinking there was too much hype over Bellingham, but he does look some player at such a young age.

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Post #555606  Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:42 pm 
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If we have any chance of getting/trying for Bellingham I’d break the bank for him.
I recall waxing lyrical about him in a debate with Bernard in Bellingham v Rice. Wish he was still with us to see what he thinks of Bellinghams World Cup.

He would have enjoyed Rice's performance too. They are an excellent and well matched pair.

England do look very good. The one flaw is that their buildup looks very laborious against teams that are defending resolutely.

Rice indeed was also excellent. He has more responsibility to get forward for West Ham and is more than capable of doing so but him sitting deeper and allowing Bellingham to roam has a very good balance


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Post #555607  Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2022 12:42 pm 
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We have an option to recall Balogun as well in january


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Saka talking really well at the presser today - fair play he’s answering questions in an intelligent manner.
Well impressive young man.

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We have an option to recall Balogun as well in january


Just my guess but I don't think Arteta sees him as ready to lead the line. If he's called up its off the bench. He might by an experienced striker (over 30) to fill in the gap till Jesus is ready.

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Great performance by England last night.

Absolutely stupendous performance by the other England in Pakistan over the past 5 days. This morning with about 10 minutes to spare, they won an unwinnable Test Match through skill, persistence and rabid positivity - oh, and genius captaincy. It's rare to be cheered off the pitch by the ultra partisan fans of the team you've just beaten.


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Ooo er. Horrible moment for Tomiyasu just now. Lucky to get away with it.

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Well S.Korea won that second half, so morally that’s a draw, nothing to fear here from this brazil team … :icon_eek1: :icon_eek1: :icon_eek1:


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Brazil look good but France are my tip for the tournament. I can’t really see anyone beating them


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We have an option to recall Balogun as well in January


Hope we recall him
We need more reliable players available to us

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Ooo er. Horrible moment for Tomiyasu just now. Lucky to get away with it.


He was pushed, ever so slightly, by the Croatian player. And because of his stance at that time, he got off balance and failed to connect squarely with the ball.

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Well S.Korea won that second half, so morally that’s a draw, nothing to fear here from this brazil team … :icon_eek1: :icon_eek1: :icon_eek1:

That did look like vintage Brazil ... quite a far cry from the 2014 dross. But I'm still not completely convinced. It was made a bit too easy for them by whoever it was who was supposed to be marking Vinicius and by the ref awarding such as soft penalty. Crazy game after that. It could have 8-4!

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...Absolutely stupendous performance by the other England in Pakistan over the past 5 days. This morning with about 10 minutes to spare, they won an unwinnable Test Match through skill, persistence and rabid positivity - oh, and genius captaincy. It's rare to be cheered off the pitch by the ultra partisan fans of the team you've just beaten.
Yes, so much to admire in that game, not least Jimmy Anderson - what a wonderful bowler!

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Thought the Brazilian dancing was pretty nauseating. Hope somebody beats them.


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Thought the Brazilian dancing was pretty nauseating. Hope somebody beats them.

It wasn’t just me then ! Don’t get me started !

I found likewise. You are the most successful World Cup team ever and you are over celebrating like mad whilst you are pounding a plucky emerging country who has played with great heart in the tournament.

Neymar doing a crying celebration when he scored.

I mean the over celebrating for the paqueta goal was absurd. Even after about 4 minutes of dancing and you thought they stopped he fell to his knees and prayed skywards and you just thought “give me a break” then when you saw their manager dancing I just thought right I hope they absolutely get pounded by Mbappe in the final


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I'm sure the old timers can name all 7. I would not have recognized them by look but all have very recognizable names.


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This is mad! Couldn't happen today without massive multi game suspensions, huge amounts paid as a fine.

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gooner7 wrote:
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Ooo er. Horrible moment for Tomiyasu just now. Lucky to get away with it.


He was pushed, ever so slightly, by the Croatian player. And because of his stance at that time, he got off balance and failed to connect squarely with the ball.

Sounds okay to me. Just glad that he has finished his involvement there and should return fit.

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Thought the Brazilian dancing was pretty nauseating. Hope somebody beats them.

It wasn’t just me then ! Don’t get me started !

I found likewise. You are the most successful World Cup team ever and you are over celebrating like mad whilst you are pounding a plucky emerging country who has played with great heart in the tournament.

Neymar doing a crying celebration when he scored.

I mean the over celebrating for the paqueta goal was absurd. Even after about 4 minutes of dancing and you thought they stopped he fell to his knees and prayed skywards and you just thought “give me a break” then when you saw their manager dancing I just thought right I hope they absolutely get pounded by Mbappe in the final

Agree with all of this, except I hope the Argies do them in the semi. That would really piss them off.


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I didn't know this. Or rather think about it, now that I saw this.


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I'm sure the old timers can name all 7. I would not have recognized them by look but all have very recognizable names.
Webb, Hurst, Hudson, Venables,Ball and Marsh. Only one I am not sure of is the cigar smoker -
looks like Terry Neill?

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I didn't know this. Or rather think about it, now that I saw this.
Magnificent player - the over-used word icon can be used in his case.

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https://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football ... type=share

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Reading this nonsense from wenger makes me sad. The one person who was supposed to not be for sale and whose morals were unquestionable and is now trotting out this fifa propaganda (not to mention suggesting the World Cup should be every 2 years)


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old man of hoy wrote:
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I'm sure the old timers can name all 7. I would not have recognized them by look but all have very recognizable names.
Webb, Hurst, Hudson, Venables,Ball and Marsh. Only one I am not sure of is the cigar smoker -
looks like Terry Neill?

It's Terry Mancini. And he's the only one who looks at all comfortable to me in this strangely fascinating picture.

Thought Hurst was Roger Daltrey at first glance which is a resemblance I'd never noticed before and possibly doesn't really exist. No idea why Webb, Hurst and Venables are standing on chairs, nor why Alan Ball is lounging on the floor like that, though I'd rather he wasn't.

Noteworthy that even back then Venables was so bent that his arms didn't fold properly.

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Noteworthy that even back then Venables was so bent that his arms didn't fold properly.



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Portugal with 5 lucky goals, lucky domination of possession and several lucky beautiful passages of play against the Swiss. Nothing to fear here…


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The 6th was pure class though :laughing7:


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Portugal with 5 lucky goals, lucky domination of possession and several lucky beautiful passages of play against the Swiss. Nothing to fear here…

It's nauseating how it was still somehow all about Ronaldo. Morocco must be desperately hoping that he is selected.

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old man of hoy wrote:
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I'm sure the old timers can name all 7. I would not have recognized them by look but all have very recognizable names.
Webb, Hurst, Hudson, Venables,Ball and Marsh. Only one I am not sure of is the cigar smoker -
looks like Terry Neill?


David Webb, Geoff Hurst, Alan Hudson and Terry Venables. Terry Mancini, Alan Ball and Rodney Marsh

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I don't know this but I seem to recall that the board were seriously considering getting Venables to manage us after Rioch. Again, I don't know for sure and am open to being corrected about it but if so, how well would we have likely done (or rather how badly) under him? Total supposition of course.

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Pele with The Arsenal, early 80s. Can you name them? I can't.


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Pele with The Arsenal, early 80s. Can you name them? I can't.

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Ødegaard, Vieira, Ramsdale, Xhaka, Smith Rowe, Zinchenko, Saliba.

I think I got them all but mighta got one wrong.


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Pele with The Arsenal, early 80s. Can you name them? I can't.


L to R:

Brian Talbot, don't know, Tommy Caton(??), John Devine, PEELY, Graham Rix, Kenny Sansom, David O'Leary, Paul Davis

I think 2nd from left is Brian McDermott. 3rd left is not Tommy Caton - he didn't arrive until 1984. Picture is 1981.


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O'Leary, I could tell. Paul Davis, I recognized the face but couldn't remember the name.

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O'Leary, I could tell. Paul Davis, I recognized the face but couldn't remember the name.

I bet that Glenn Cockerell remembers his name.

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