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Post #397801  Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:22 pm 
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Oliver has reffed Arsenal, Liverpool and City roughly the same amount of times (around 52-56 each) city zero red cards, Liverpool 1 red card….arsenal 8 red cards, and that’s before we look at the reds he hasn’t given against our opponents (Kovacic!)

I think he regularly shafts Man Utd too. Dreadful referee.

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Fantastic win in the face of an outrageous and frankly inexcusable refereeing decision.

I said it a few weeks back, it's time the club went public with their outrage at these decisions. Kick up the mother of all stinks until referees face some accountability.


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Post #397803  Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 8:50 pm 
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Oliver has reffed Arsenal, Liverpool and City roughly the same amount of times (around 52-56 each) city zero red cards, Liverpool 1 red card….arsenal 8 red cards, and that’s before we look at the reds he hasn’t given against our opponents (Kovacic!)

I think he regularly shafts Man Utd too. Dreadful referee.


He is but afaik he’s never given a red to Utd.

I think this is refereeing by perception. Arsenal complained when referees were primed to look for blocking at corners st the beginning of last season and the video example they were given was us! We rightly complained - talk about implementing bias. Nothing is ever done.

Xhaka showed us what refereeing by reputation looks like - the famous yellow for 1-2-3 fouls when it was his first one!

We’ve been labelled a dark arts team and it’s a lot of B.S going on.

On the flip side I do get the feeling we’ve taken it too far, not helping our cause. The time it takes the right back to take a throw in is infuriating. By all means take your time but don’t waste time. It riles up the crowd and the ref and just turns momentum. It’s maddening tbh.

You could point to Newcastle who heavily leaned into proper dark arts and had a nasty streak helped by Joelinton and Guimeraes particularly and for some reason they seem to get away with it. They aren’t challenging for the title is my guess, but we were getting these b%*&s%*^ cards when we were dogshit.

The Luiz red is still mad to me. The wording of “no attempt to play the ball” was weaponised to *%^@ us over. The point of that surely is an action you have taken that is “not an attempt to play the ball” not simply just existing in the penalty area.

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Post #397804  Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:01 pm 
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Who is actually on the PGMOL appeal panel?

I saw Mike dean referring to ex players being on it ? Who,is it ?

Probably Teddy Sheringham


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Post #397805  Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:06 pm 
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TOP GUN wrote:
Who is actually on the PGMOL appeal panel?

I saw Mike dean referring to ex players being on it ? Who,is it ?

Probably Teddy Sheringham


They overturned the Fernandes one which I thought was a red, and certainly not egregious enough to warrant being overturned. I wonder if they’re all from Manchester like the referees…


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Post #397806  Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:08 pm 
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He stamped down on his instep .... ??? No


Instep above the ankle? More circus freak anatomy.



Exorcist , triple jointed , circus freak anatomy why the need for over the top hyperbole ..... ?

he stamped on his instep . the curved part ....... it was adjudged violent conduct that is all I am saying .

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Ash wrote:
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Who is actually on the PGMOL appeal panel?

I saw Mike dean referring to ex players being on it ? Who,is it ?

Probably Teddy Sheringham


They overturned the Fernandes one which I thought was a red, and certainly not egregious enough to warrant being overturned. I wonder if they’re all from Manchester like the referees…

Found this




It features five members: three former players and/or coaches, one representative for the Premier League, and one for PGMOL. Each member has one vote across the KMIs in two categories: the referee's original decision, and whether the VAR should intervene. A simple majority is required for right or wrong.

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/story/_ ... gue-season


Hang on so out of the 5 votes the PGMOL has 1 themselves. All you need is another 2 dodgy votes and they probably ask the opinion of Sam allardyce


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Post #397808  Posted: Sat Jan 25, 2025 9:18 pm 
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kiwipete wrote:
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Instep above the ankle? More circus freak anatomy.



Exorcist , triple jointed , circus freak anatomy why the need for over the top hyperbole ..... ?

he stamped on his instep . the curved part ....... it was adjudged violent conduct that is all I am saying .

https://www.modpodpodiatry.com.au/foot-anatomy/


I’m sorry, I’m mirroring your energy you mad old fruit.

The studs on the instep is utterly irrelevant, it wasn’t judged violent conduct, it was serious foul play. First you said it was studs above the ankle. Seems like you’re trying hard to justify the red card decision is all I’m saying.


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Ash wrote:
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Exorcist , triple jointed , circus freak anatomy why the need for over the top hyperbole ..... ?

he stamped on his instep . the curved part ....... it was adjudged violent conduct that is all I am saying .

https://www.modpodpodiatry.com.au/foot-anatomy/


I’m sorry, I’m mirroring your energy you mad old fruit.

The studs on the instep is utterly irrelevant and first you said it was studs above the ankle. Seems like you’re trying hard to justify the red card decision is all I’m saying.


:laughing7: Okay Ash you slippery little spirogyra . No dispute with the first sentence ;

but ... " studs is utterly irrelevant ? " ..strange

I said it was studs above the ankle ...AND IT WAS ...... unless in the anatomy of your Barnum and Bailey troupe shins are below the heel .

I've just replayed it half a dozen times ; even asked Mrs Kiwi's opinion . The bloke was off to the races Skelley bought his foot down , raked Docherty's shin and continued on to stamp on his instep .

and this is where the outrage surfaces I am not arguing it was a red card , I'm just laying out the facts


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He stamped down on his instep .... ??? No

There was contact above the ankle. No studs above the ankle.

It wasn't a dangerous or violent foul.


Skelley raked his shin then stamped on his instep [ with his studs ] . If someone we really despise , say Haarland had done that to one of our precious little warriors on a breakaway

..... YOU would be screaming for the GUILLOTINE

:1laughter: the VAR that you were so busy promoting the other day ....... confirmed " studs down to the shin and down to the ankle "


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kiwipete wrote:
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There was contact above the ankle. No studs above the ankle.

It wasn't a dangerous or violent foul.


Skelley raked his shin then stamped on his instep [ with his studs ] . If someone we really despise , say Haarland had done that to one of our precious little warriors on a breakaway

..... YOU would be screaming for the GUILLOTINE

:1laughter: the VAR that you were so busy promoting the other day ....... confirmed " studs down to the shin and down to the ankle "

He didn't stamp at all. He deliberately tripped Doherty (bad move because he's bloody slow) but caught him a small bit high. Yellow card all day long.

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kiwipete wrote:
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I’m sorry, I’m mirroring your energy you mad old fruit.

The studs on the instep is utterly irrelevant and first you said it was studs above the ankle. Seems like you’re trying hard to justify the red card decision is all I’m saying.


:laughing7: Okay Ash you slippery little spirogyra . No dispute with the first sentence ;

but ... " studs is utterly irrelevant ? " ..strange

I said it was studs above the ankle ...AND IT WAS ...... unless in the anatomy of your Barnum and Bailey troupe shins are below the heel .

I've just replayed it half a dozen times ; even asked Mrs Kiwi's opinion . The bloke was off to the races Skelley bought his foot down , raked Docherty's shin and continued on to stamp on his instep .

and this is where the outrage surfaces I am not arguing it was a red card , I'm just laying out the facts


Since we haven’t ruled out the your wife and Socrates are not in fact the same legal entity, I reserve the right to question her conclusions.

What I saw was the top of MLS’s foot come in front and trip the player which, as he was behind him, is the only anatomically possible orientation, his foot came down due to gravity and the like and yes studs came down onto foot.

What were being told is forceful dangerous contact above the ankle is a red and that’s why he sent him off. That’s not what happened at all. Everyone from Shearer, to Savage, to Chris Sutton of all people think it’s a ludicrous decision. I’m not holding these people up as logical human beings but people who have well known affiliations to rivals.

It was a bad decision from a ref we were all waiting for a bad decision from - cue this reaction from everyone which I think you seem to be surprised at?


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There is no way Michael Oliver can referee another Arsenal game at least this season. But watch him be given our big games v other top 6 games. I reckon he’ll get the Anfield game.


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We needed Havertz for his aerial prowess so we had an outball

This irony of the whole thing. Havertz has been recently lambasted for not being good enough but is our top goalscorer, one of our hardest working players and is bailing the club out for not investing in certain areas. Imagine how the guy feels. He deserves credit

He really is an asset no matter what happens in the transfer market in he future

He is, as I was saying earlier. He makes a nuisance of himself. One just has to cast one's mind back to Nketiah to realise that Havertz is not bad.


Nketiah & Havertz? Havertz on an off-day is still better than the former on an on-day.

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I thought we were gonna draw or lose the match after going down to 10, after an inept display even with 11 men.
Thank goodness for the win.

Shout out to Calafiori !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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What I saw was the top of MLS’s foot come in front and trip the player which, as he was behind him, is the only anatomically possible orientation, his foot came down due to gravity and the like and yes studs came down onto foot.

What were being told is forceful dangerous contact above the ankle is a red and that’s why he sent him off. That’s not what happened at all.

Everyone from Shearer, to Savage, to Chris Sutton of all people think it’s a ludicrous decision. I’m not holding these people up as logical human beings but people who have well known affiliations to rivals.

It was a bad decision from a ref we were all waiting for a bad decision from - cue this reaction from everyone which I think you seem to be surprised at?


What I'm surprised at ... is the referee saw enough of it to issue a RED card straight off . I'd have thought yellow would have been appropriate .

Shearer and Savage .... wouldn't be my go to guys for footballing wisdom . Sutton not so bad .

Depends how you are watching it on some live stream ??? I've got it on Sky , it is there recorded ; I can revisit the incident 50 million times ; they show four angles and in the last angle it shows Skelley definetly giving Docherty's shin a little tickle then stamps on his foot .

All I am saying is you commit a foul like that it is in the lap of the Gods what punishment you get .

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He didn't stamp at all. He deliberately tripped Doherty (bad move because he's bloody slow) but caught him a small bit high. Yellow card all day long.


Says someone who watched it from the back of the pub with Colm Meaney and six mates ; fifteen pints of Guinness and six shots of poitin to the good ,

half a dozen semi bare breasted colleens clamouring for his attention :3to-drink:


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On BBC i have just heard the most scathing commentary on the refereeing and VAR.

Shearer said 'worst decision I've seen in a long while'


"Alan Shearer launches furious VAR rant after Michael Oliver and Arsenal red card controversy"

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We Are Used to It | Arteta Furious with Ref’s Lewis-Skelly RED



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I’m glad he’s our manager


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Wait till Lewis Skelly can be deployed in midfield where he should be playing. In transition his drive is exactly what our current midfield is missing.


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Any ref that is displaying statistical bias shouldn't be allowed to ref games with those teams. Pure objectivity to stamp out bias either conscious or unconscious.


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Post #397824  Posted: Sun Jan 26, 2025 7:36 am 
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Michael Oliver decided this studs in to the chest wasn’t even a foul last year.

I can totally believe there are people out there trying to justify it already because they believe MLS studs went above Doherty’s ankle. It is straw clutching and reaching so far….

Like every single one of our red cards I will find you at least 5 examples worse than MLS that will only get yellows at worst in today’s game


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Arsenal, 62 games, 8 reds against, 6 reds for opponents, 8 penalties for, 15 penalties against!

Liverpool 64 games, 1 red against, 5 reds for opponents, 17 penalties for, 7 penalties against

City 60 games, zero reds against, 2 reds for opponents, 11 penalties for, 8 penalties against

If David Coote was caught out saying he hated Liverpool and Klopp is it that far fetched to suggest Oliver hates Arsenal and Arteta and can’t referee us objectively?


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dec wrote:
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Oliver has reffed Arsenal, Liverpool and City roughly the same amount of times (around 52-56 each) city zero red cards, Liverpool 1 red card….arsenal 8 red cards, and that’s before we look at the reds he hasn’t given against our opponents (Kovacic!)

I think he regularly shafts Man Utd too. Dreadful referee.

Oliver has never given Man U player a straight red card, has given them 8 penalties and their opponents 7. Feels like a normalise record for a team that is bouncing around midtable.
If you look for statistical anomalies in his record then you’ll stop very quickly on us alone


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https://x.com/adamkeys_/status/18706124 ... -j6VVZXEoA

Just a yellow for this tackle by Estupinan but a red for
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Wasn't Oliver suspended after a VAR call in the Arsenal Chelsea match and then again after the Trossard ridiculousness vs City?

I know what will solve it, lets put him back in charge of an Arsenal match where of course he won't be annoyed at being suspended multiple times.


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Arteta rightly said there is precedent in the overturn of Bruno Fernandes red card earlier this season, which was a far worse foul. The pressure has been ramped up - if they uphold this red they will expose themselves hugely

Jamie O’Hara, the most one eyed spurs fan boy, possibly hates Arsenal more than he loves spurs (one of those spurs fans) called it perfectly on talksport, called it a ridiculous decision and said as a player every single player has done one of those fouls, take the yellow for the team, you see thousands of them every season. You know it’s a yellow.


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For years and years I’ve been calling out referees on here, saying that not only are they awful as a group but we are routinely singled out for terrible decisions, one off decisions, we get shafted far far more than we ‘get away with one’…. it seems now far more people are thinking the same, but amazingly there are still people who think ‘it all evens itself out’

The body of evidence is huge.
4 red cards just this season where I’ve shown multiple examples where opponents or other teams players have NOT been punished as we are. It proves we’ve been singled out. And that is just this season. Go back over the last two seasons where I think the poor decisions have cost us two titles, then go even further than that all the way back to Wenger’s time. Continually shafted by bad decisions with nothing like the same lucky decisions coming our way.


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This one was just a yellow. Most people would say this is a yellow, that’s fine….but compared to MLS red card this would be a 6 match ban if reffed in the same way


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Totally agree. Oliver is awful in terms of his Arsenal bias. Martinelli two yellow red, Trossard red for kicking ball away 3millseconds after whistle and now this joke MLS one.

Club should push for Oliver to never touch an Arsenal game again, Arteta should do this in public if the PGMOL fail to listen. It does appear the club are going to have to go public at somepoint with these concerns as the PGMOL is a corrupt crony organisation with its head up its own arse.

https://www.le-grove.co.uk/p/pgmol-must-be-dismantled

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All 4 reds we’ve received have been before the 50th minute. The body of evidence is just too much to ignore now. We are refereed differently, and it is costing us trophies


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Interesting how every pundit, journalist, anyone with an opinion on football has come out and slammed the Red card decision but yet our two most prominent football pundits Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher have been completely silent on the matter for 18 hours now….

Totally destroys any credibility they have as pundits when they allow themselves to be gagged by PGMOL and their bias towards their teams and therefore their hatred of Arsenal


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Rich wrote:
Interesting how every pundit, journalist, anyone with an opinion on football has come out and slammed the Red card decision but yet our two most prominent football pundits Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher have been completely silent on the matter for 18 hours now….

Totally destroys any credibility they have as pundits when they allow themselves to be gagged by PGMOL and their bias towards their teams and therefore their hatred of Arsenal


Sky = media propaganda for the PL

PGMOL = Crony organisation run by PL

It doesn't take a genius to connect the dots of the cronyism.


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Doing a bird flappy arm celebration when scoring against a team whose nickname is a type of bird = yellow card for inciting the crowd.
So what about when a player cups his hands to the crowd? Will there be yellows for doing devil horn celebrations v Man U, mimicking a gun va Arsenal, mimicking a claws out motion with your fingers v Wolves, raising an imaginary hat off your head v Luton? Chicken arms v Spurs?

This is THE worst season on record for refereeing


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Big games next week.
We’re at home to City
Liverpool away to a flying Bournemouth

If all things even themselves out over the season we’d be playing City in the middle of a 7 match losing run rather than at the end of a 4 game winning run and Liverpool will have Van Dijk sent off for a foul on the half way line. Looking forward to it


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He didn't stamp at all. He deliberately tripped Doherty (bad move because he's bloody slow) but caught him a small bit high. Yellow card all day long.


Says someone who watched it from the back of the pub with Colm Meaney and six mates ; fifteen pints of Guinness and six shots of poitin to the good ,

half a dozen semi bare breasted colleens clamouring for his attention :3to-drink:

15 pints in, I'd still be making more sense that you if you continue your one man crusade to defend that red card. The All Blacks dodgy form must be getting to you.

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Anyway, whilst the ref dominates the discussion and whilst everyone was losing their heads over that decision the players and management rolled up their sleeves and got the job done. It’s the kind of performance in the face of adversity and bare faced cheating that will galvanise us. Now, bring in some attacking reinforcements before the end of the window!


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We need to rest as many as possible v Girona. Play some young attacking players, play Sterling etc
Decide what team we want to play v City and rest as many as possible.
Play Tierney, play Zinchenko in midfield or left wing, play Kiwior, play Kabia play Butler-Odejedi

The players have run themselves in to the ground over the last few weeks, stretched to the limit and forced to play with 10 men yet again


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