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Post #398921  Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 1:58 pm 
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Sterling can’t play against Chelsea in a month either :laughing7:


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Post #398922  Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 4:33 pm 
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Havertz to miss rest of season through injury. Torn hamstring...right I’m off to drink bleach. That’s it folks

Good god. I’ve never known a season like it. Arteta has a hell of a job to even get us top 4 right now I think
Similarities to 2008 when we lost both Eduardo and RVP after the transfer window closed and could not bring in striker replacements. That was bad luck for a very good team.

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Post #398923  Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 4:36 pm 
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One is bad luck, two is iffy, but losing your whole forward line to hamstring injuries is a sign of a major problem with the way the players are not being adequately rested and overly flogged.

Arteta has tried to play a first choice side too often, you sometimes have to accept you're going to drop some points rotating but at least then you won't see your whole forward line succumbing to muscular injuries which are clearly related to a match/training regime which sees them flogged beyond what an athlete can take.


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Post #398924  Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 5:59 pm 
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The stats are damning to be honest. Arteta needs to learn.

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Post #398925  Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 6:01 pm 
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We will also need some academy strikers to come in and help. Huge ask to jump in to a title race and have the expectation of goals, but if we’re dominating against teams a youngster with a natural instinct for movement and finishing in the box would still be a preference to me than trying to put too many square pegs in round holes


Haven't two gone with the squad to Dubai? Butler-Oyedeji and one other striker.

The fact the Arteta never gave him even a minute in the league so far is not promising.

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Haven't two gone with the squad to Dubai? Butler-Oyedeji and one other striker.

The fact the Arteta never gave him even a minute in the league so far is not promising.

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Well don't expect to see much yet of Tomiyasu either, if plans to go ahead with another knee operation happen. He's got 18 months left of his contract given if said operation goes ahead, obviously he'll be out longer again. He probably just move on as it is.

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Ironically a major contributing factor to the constant over playing of our injured players is the fact that……. we errrr don’t have a proper striker to kill teams off so have to leave them on to see out the games we are winning when the game should have been put out of sight. It’s a cycle of doom

can’t argue with 79. Starting saka againest Bolton in the EFL cup was nuts. Playing Havertz against the geordies in that pointless 2nd leg looks ridiculous right now.


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Post #398929  Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 7:05 pm 
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The stats are damning to be honest. Arteta needs to learn.

https://theanalyst.com/2025/02/kai-have ... ury-crisis

There is a chicken and egg situation here though.
1) Players are playing more and being subbed less because the squad is so thin due to injuries…..or
2) players are getting injured because Arteta doesn’t rotate them which then leads to 1)

So which came first the injuries or the lack of rotation?

Well likely end up playing maybe 3-4 games more than last season where key players stayed injury free all season. But this season comes off the back of a summer where a number of our players didn’t get a rest at all


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We’ve been incredibly unlucky this season but also extremely daft in the market when it comes to forwards over the last three windows. Both these things can be true.

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We’ve been incredibly unlucky this season but also extremely daft in the market when it comes to forwards over the last three windows. Both these things can be true.

Completely agree.
Build a proper squad to challenge on 4 fronts without relying on emergency loans. But the bad luck not just with injuries but so many marginal things just falling the wrong way for us.

Incidentally Man Coty fans will likely have a similar tale of woe about their season. Having no Rodrigo back up was poor planning, relying on a lot of aging players who are in decline was poor planning. City buy well usually but their last few windows have been really poor

Then you have Liverpool who bought no one but have everyone fit and every single break and bit of luck going for them this season. Even tonight, Everton’s main attacking threat Ndiaye going off injured early


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Everton playing well, being the dominant force in the game, score but disallowed for a tight offside, have a shout for handball in the box not given against Konate and then Salah gets one sight of goal and scores the likely winner.

People will say the difference between us and Liverpool is Salah, he’s more than that. If he was the difference it suggests without him Liverpool would be level with us, without Salah Liverpool would be struggling for top 4


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Haven't two gone with the squad to Dubai? Butler-Oyedeji and one other striker.

The fact the Arteta never gave him even a minute in the league so far is not promising.


That's my feeling too. None of these guys have been on the frontline so I'm guessing what he's seen hasn't impressed him .

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Mickey mousers are so fortunate, everything going their way this season. You'd have thought by the law of averages they would have a sticky patch at some point, but no.

Ricochet falls straight to Salah who is probably the only player who finishes that chance.


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I absolutely detest Liverpool with a passion.
How can everything and I mean everything hk.fkr these tossers
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Surely not *%^@*** var!!


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Everton equalise in the 98th minute. Lovely…..and then I remember we don’t have an attack so we’ll likely be unable to take advantage of Liverpool’s slip up


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Didn’t see it so does anyone know why there were 12 minutes of injury time in that match?


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Post #398939  Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 9:44 pm 
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Jones, Dacoure and Slot all sent off at the final whistle.

Cracks showing??


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Didn’t see it so does anyone know why there were 12 minutes of injury time in that match?

There was a clash of heads during injury time, I don’t think it was 12 originally


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Everton’s goal was a very tight Onside call. But the frame they use the ball has already left the Everton players foot.


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So frustrating. The cracks are showing and I think, without the injuries, we'd have a great chance of catching them.


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I don’t think Arteta has ever been sent off as a manager has he? Slot is sent off within 6 months of being here.

Let’s see the reaction because Arteta is the poster boy of poor manager behaviour


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Slot has already served a touchline ban for collecting 3 yellows this season, he’s now been overly aggressive and abusive towards the ref and been shown a straight red card. His assistant also sent off and one of his players sent off.

If this was Arsenal and Arteta Sky and Carragher and Neville would be running week long debates and ferociously criticising Arteta, saying he created a pile on of officials with his behaviour, he sets a bad example to his staff and team because they act in his image. They’d also say that the pressure is getting to him and his actions are showing the cracks are showing and how in a title race it’s criminal to give up a late goal - winners see that game out etc

Let’s see the reaction because plenty of people will be watching Carragher in particular after this

Oh and I expect to see an FA charge for Liverpool (and Everton) failing to control their players


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Darren wrote:
We’ve been incredibly unlucky this season but also extremely daft in the market when it comes to forwards over the last three windows. Both these things can be true.

Indeed. It is bad luck to lose both Saka and Ødegaard to medium term injuries, although thankfully not at the same time. But....we jettisoned Vieira, Smith-Rowe, Nelson and Nketiah while only bringing in Sterling. Various arguments can be made about the quality of the players we let go, but the numbers in terms of forwards in the squad is ridiculously low. We gambled on having one centre forward who's not really a centre forward and another one who has a terrible injury record and goalscoring record for the last 18 months. That's asking for trouble.

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Slot has already served a touchline ban for collecting 3 yellows this season, he’s now been overly aggressive and abusive towards the ref and been shown a straight red card. His assistant also sent off and one of his players sent off.

If this was Arsenal and Arteta Sky and Carragher and Neville would be running week long debates and ferociously criticising Arteta, saying he created a pile on of officials with his behaviour, he sets a bad example to his staff and team because they act in his image. They’d also say that the pressure is getting to him and his actions are showing the cracks are showing and how in a title race it’s criminal to give up a late goal - winners see that game out etc

Let’s see the reaction because plenty of people will be watching Carragher in particular after this

Oh and I expect to see an FA charge for Liverpool (and Everton) failing to control their players

At the end I saw Liverpool players and managers surrounding the ref and a manager who had been sent off moving towards a referee in a threatening manner. I see no reason why they should not be dealt with by the FA and police investigation of Slot. Otherwise it is obvious they receive special treatment.

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Slot has already served a touchline ban for collecting 3 yellows this season, he’s now been overly aggressive and abusive towards the ref and been shown a straight red card. His assistant also sent off and one of his players sent off.

If this was Arsenal and Arteta Sky and Carragher and Neville would be running week long debates and ferociously criticising Arteta, saying he created a pile on of officials with his behaviour, he sets a bad example to his staff and team because they act in his image. They’d also say that the pressure is getting to him and his actions are showing the cracks are showing and how in a title race it’s criminal to give up a late goal - winners see that game out etc

Let’s see the reaction because plenty of people will be watching Carragher in particular after this

Oh and I expect to see an FA charge for Liverpool (and Everton) failing to control their players

Don’t think Everton have anything to answer for . Liverpool started the whole thing.

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I am not sure I understand our reasoning for going to Dubai. I don’t see how a 7-8 hour flight is good for footballers. Planes are cramped even if a private charter. Not great for muscles and the anatomy generally. Then a seven hour flight home. Two different time zones. We use it as an excuse when we have to fly anywhere in Europe but voluntarily make a journey like this. Yeah it’s warm. Anyway if we run Liverpool down it will be justified but only if we run them down. I think we can still do it. Time to step up for a few players. We’ve done it before.

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Slot has already served a touchline ban for collecting 3 yellows this season, he’s now been overly aggressive and abusive towards the ref and been shown a straight red card. His assistant also sent off and one of his players sent off.

If this was Arsenal and Arteta Sky and Carragher and Neville would be running week long debates and ferociously criticising Arteta, saying he created a pile on of officials with his behaviour, he sets a bad example to his staff and team because they act in his image. They’d also say that the pressure is getting to him and his actions are showing the cracks are showing and how in a title race it’s criminal to give up a late goal - winners see that game out etc

Let’s see the reaction because plenty of people will be watching Carragher in particular after this

Oh and I expect to see an FA charge for Liverpool (and Everton) failing to control their players

At the end I saw Liverpool players and managers surrounding the ref and a manager who had been sent off moving towards a referee in a threatening manner. I see no reason why they should not be dealt with by the FA and police investigation of Slot. Otherwise it is obvious they receive special treatment.


We got docked points for that.


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Slot also refused to do a post match press interview.

So red card, which has followed a touchline ban for accumulated yellows, aggressive behaviour to an official and refusing to do the contracted media duties. Arteta has not done any of these this season but Neville strings him up as the one to blame for social media pile ons against refs.

Let’s see the same energy for this as they gave to an incorrect ref card and a celebration


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Dembele has 18 goals in his last 11 games for PSG. Incredible form from a player who had seemed to lose his way.


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At the end I saw Liverpool players and managers surrounding the ref and a manager who had been sent off moving towards a referee in a threatening manner. I see no reason why they should not be dealt with by the FA and police investigation of Slot. Otherwise it is obvious they receive special treatment.


We got docked points for that.

Of course there is an Arsenal premium on any action.

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Don’t think he’s allowed after a red card, Rich.


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Leandro Trossard set to miss rest of season through injury. Arsenal forward suffered torn hamstring during training at #AFC camp in Dubai. Unclear if the Belgian international will require surgery but focus is getting fit for 2025-26 campaign


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At the end I saw Liverpool players and managers surrounding the ref and a manager who had been sent off moving towards a referee in a threatening manner. I see no reason why they should not be dealt with by the FA and police investigation of Slot. Otherwise it is obvious they receive special treatment.


We got docked points for that.


When was that?

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Slot also refused to do a post match press


Don’t think he’s allowed after a red card, Rich.


Premier League rules don’t allow post match media duties with people who have just received red cards. Funnily enough i asked the AI phenomenon Chat GPT for the reason, and it insisted that Jurgen Klopp was the Liverpool manager! Its justification for being wrong was that its training data only goes up to 2021…


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Leandro Trossard set to miss rest of season through injury. Arsenal forward suffered torn hamstring during training at #AFC camp in Dubai. Unclear if the Belgian international will require surgery but focus is getting fit for 2025-26 campaign


You are having a wind up……I think


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Gunfire wrote:
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We got docked points for that.


When was that?


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Leandro Trossard set to miss rest of season through injury. Arsenal forward suffered torn hamstring during training at #AFC camp in Dubai. Unclear if the Belgian international will require surgery but focus is getting fit for 2025-26 campaign


Jesus TG - hunkered down in an Irish bar in Hong Kong - been a loooong day already.

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DHD wrote:
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When was that?


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I remember watching the Manure game and it was a full blown brawl. Everyone bar Seaman involved We were docked an extra point because of a brawl the previous year v Norwich I think. Watching the highlights of last night I would be surprised if the FA don't introduce further sanctions. I mean even the Old Bill were on the pitch. I doubt there'll be points deductions.

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