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Post #527841  Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:37 pm 
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That didn't last long did it.

Nobody moan, though, when we have no money to spend in the summer and are still churning out the same old *%^@ in midtable next season.


:laughing7:

My point earlier ..

Phew, back to being a mid table side with no decent creative midfielders or chance of competing anytime soon only after properly mugging ourselves off in public :58big-emoticons:


Chelsea and City of all clubs taking the moral high ground........does that stretch to them stopping their obscene spending or would that be going too far?


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Florentino Perez has said that the comments he made yesterday were actually just jokes he forgot on the first of the month.


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Should be easy for Arsenal to win the ESL now. Just a few clubs left to beat then.

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My point earlier ..

Phew, back to being a mid table side with no decent creative midfielders or chance of competing anytime soon only after properly mugging ourselves off in public :58big-emoticons:


Chelsea and City of all clubs taking the moral high ground........does that stretch to them stopping their obscene spending or would that be going too far?


It’s something of a spectacularly easy collapse you have to say.

The clubs have properly mugged themselves off. The Arsenal social media team are scrambling to issue a statement


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Should be easy for Arsenal to win the ESL now. Just a few clubs left to beat then.

Maybe we get more money now :58big-emoticons:


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Should be easy for Arsenal to win the ESL now. Just a few clubs left to beat then.


hahaha...


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Post #527847  Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:49 pm 
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Tell me when you have 14 PL clubs and many others, people in the game and supporters up in arms about 6 teams starting their own ESL. How can they play in the PL? The animosity for each match will be off the chart. The current system allows teams hope, the ESL one doesn't.

This should NEVER get off the ground.


Maybe this ESL development has rocked football for one overriding reason - it blatantly confirms, with no pretence, that there is an elite league within the Premiership, not just in terms of affording the best players and winning trophies but also more importantly in attracting paying viewers. We all know this is the reality, and as sweet as it was when Leicester broke the cartel, we also knew that was a rare thing. All the other clubs know this too, and while they may be put out right now, when the inevitable compromise is made they will quite readily resume 'friendly' relations with the six. The gravy train will continue to run - the first class carriages will just be bigger. It is extremely hard to warm to any of the owners of the six, but you can't say they are trying to dupe anybody. They know they have the power and are being straightforward in using it.

If, and it is very unlikely, the six are thrown out of the Premiership, then the other clubs will have a beter chance of winning the competition, albeit with less money in their pockets.



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Here's hoping that if it all collapses in a blaze of awful publicity, Kroenke will have to concede that his dream of a closed shop cash cow supa-league is dead and perhaps he will consider selling? I wonder if they tried to launch this now while there are no fans and embarresing vocal opposition in stadiums?


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Apparently Ed Woodwood has resigned......................please let Stan be next to go


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Apparently Ed Woodwood has resigned......................please let Stan be next to go


Why should he resign, is he not just acting on behalf of the club's owners and BOD?


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Will kroenke follow suit now Chelsea and man city have pulled out.
Surely the little weasel will not want to feel the heat and continued backlash.
I pray this forces him out.


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oh......he's leaving at the end of the year.


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That didn't last long did it.

Nobody moan, though, when we have no money to spend in the summer and are still churning out the same old *%^@ in midtable next season, without even any european football. :laughing7:

I realize this is tongue in cheek, but I've seen a lot of similiar sentiments from Arsenal fans the last few days and I don't really understand the thinking. First of all, all the other big clubs from the PL would be in the Super League (unimportant sidenote, but what a horribly unimaginative name that is) so it wouldn't close the gap on any of them, just widen the gap to the rest of the league.

Second of all, plenty of teams have shown you can be competitive without the type of super spending some fans crave; Liverpool, Atletico Madrid and Dortmund have all competed for the big titles recently without spending like Chelsea and City. You need the right manager (and we'll see if Arteta is the right guy) and you need to sign the right players. Same as it has always been really.


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This is what and how the Kroenkes feel about Arsenal history, status, fans.

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Didnt take long!!
We are out!!


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Will kroenke follow suit now Chelsea and man city have pulled out.
Surely the little weasel will not want to feel the heat and continued backlash.
I pray this forces him out.


Question is, where do we go from here. Kroenke, by being one of the main proponents of the new league, has shown he believes that is the way for Arsenal to become a competitive force again. He clearly does not believe he can do it under the current circumstances, level of income and level of spending.

It's alright for City and Chelsea to take the moral high ground because they have owners with bottomless pockets prepared to spend their money.


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That didn't last long did it.

Nobody moan, though, when we have no money to spend in the summer and are still churning out the same old *%^@ in midtable next season, without even any european football. :laughing7:

I realize this is tongue in cheek, but I've seen a lot of similiar sentiments from Arsenal fans the last few days and I don't really understand the thinking. First of all, all the other big clubs from the PL would be in the Super League (unimportant sidenote, but what a horribly unimaginative name that is) so it wouldn't close the gap on any of them, just widen the gap to the rest of the league.

Second of all, plenty of teams have shown you can be competitive without the type of super spending some fans crave; Liverpool, Atletico Madrid and Dortmund have all competed for the big titles recently without spending like Chelsea and City. You need the right manager (and we'll see if Arteta is the right guy) and you need to sign the right players. Same as it has always been really.


Good points Haz.


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Thank you Chelsea and Man City for disengaging from the ESL farce.


The illustrious Arsenal owners will cling to the very end by their toe nails if need be.

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socrates wrote:
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Will kroenke follow suit now Chelsea and man city have pulled out.
Surely the little weasel will not want to feel the heat and continued backlash.
I pray this forces him out.


Question is, where do we go from here. Kroenke, by being one of the main proponents of the new league, has shown he believes that is the way for Arsenal to become a competitive force again. He clearly does not believe he can do it under the current circumstances, level of income and level of spending.
It's alright for City and Chelsea to take the moral high ground because they have owners with bottomless pockets prepared to spend their money.

Hi Soc
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No better time for the weasel to piss off


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Apparently Ed Woodwood has resigned......................please let Stan be next to go

Crazy developments now. Rumours that Agnelli has resigned as president of Juventus, and the Glazers are looking to sell.


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Hazuki wrote:
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That didn't last long did it.

Nobody moan, though, when we have no money to spend in the summer and are still churning out the same old *%^@ in midtable next season, without even any european football. :laughing7:

I realize this is tongue in cheek, but I've seen a lot of similiar sentiments from Arsenal fans the last few days and I don't really understand the thinking. First of all, all the other big clubs from the PL would be in the Super League (unimportant sidenote, but what a horribly unimaginative name that is) so it wouldn't close the gap on any of them, just widen the gap to the rest of the league.

Second of all, plenty of teams have shown you can be competitive without the type of super spending some fans crave; Liverpool, Atletico Madrid and Dortmund have all competed for the big titles recently without spending like Chelsea and City. You need the right manager (and we'll see if Arteta is the right guy) and you need to sign the right players. Same as it has always been really.


Hi Haz,

You could argue that without the need to qualify and with a guaranteed income you could invest more time, patience (and thought) in the rebuilding process.

Even if Arteta is the answer, without significant money to spend he'd have to be a genius, or incredibly lucky (or both) to get us competing at the top end again.


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david.d wrote:
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Question is, where do we go from here. Kroenke, by being one of the main proponents of the new league, has shown he believes that is the way for Arsenal to become a competitive force again. He clearly does not believe he can do it under the current circumstances, level of income and level of spending.
It's alright for City and Chelsea to take the moral high ground because they have owners with bottomless pockets prepared to spend their money.

Hi Soc
He should sell up and give it to someone who gives a damn about us.
No better time for the weasel to piss off


I agree, but he won't though will he. This will probably make him dig his heels in even more.


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Even if Arteta is the answer, without significant money to spend he'd have to be a genius, or incredibly lucky (or both) to get us competing at the top end again.

Why? If, for the sake of argument, Arteta is the answer; why would it be impossible for us to do what Liverpool have done under Klopp?


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Even if Arteta is the answer, without significant money to spend he'd have to be a genius, or incredibly lucky (or both) to get us competing at the top end again.

Why? If, for the sake of argument, Arteta is the answer; why would it be impossible for us to do what Liverpool have done under Klopp?

Coz he’ll need 300 million quids worth of new players and the fans aren’t patient enough to wait 5 minutes


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Coz he’ll need 300 million quids worth of new players and the fans aren’t patient enough to wait 5 minutes

It'll have to happen gradually of course, Liverpool didn't sign all their good players in one summer either. But if Arteta (again for the sake of argument) is the right guy to take us forward, then we will improve if we keep signing players like Tierney, Partey, Martinelli, Gabriel and Pépé, who have all arrived in the last two summers. Think people sometimes makes it sound more complicated than it is really.


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Hazuki wrote:
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Even if Arteta is the answer, without significant money to spend he'd have to be a genius, or incredibly lucky (or both) to get us competing at the top end again.

Why? If, for the sake of argument, Arteta is the answer; why would it be impossible for us to do what Liverpool have done under Klopp?


Liverpool created the perfect storm. Some brilliantly astute under the radar signings (Mane and Salah), a brilliant youth product coming through (TAA) but crucially the incredible revenue from sales of Countinho for £120m to finance VVD and Allison and also selling fringe players like Brewster for £23.5m.

It would be very hard to replicate that, as Liverpool are finding out now with some signings not working out recently.

I hope we can do it but realistically I see it being an uphill struggle.


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Of course. Sheik Mansour needs $400M like I need a new bunny tail. None of these 12 owners needs $400M start up.

Real Madrid and Barcelona definitely need the money.

Suppose so.

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More like Stan and Josh K earn extra cash. No guarantee that any monies will be funneled into signing any high calibre players to Arsenal just cause it's joined an ESL. No relegation no promotion. Just recycled games ad nauseum within the 20 member sides.


Of course it would mean expanded budget. The kroenkes no matter how bad they are aren’t stealing our cash for themselves they just aren’t investing their own.

Why should they. That's the whole point for them. Compounded interest income.

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socrates wrote:
Liverpool created the perfect storm. Some brilliantly astute under the radar signings (Mane and Salah), a brilliant youth product coming through (TAA) but crucially the incredible revenue from sales of Countinho for £120m to finance VVD and Allison and also selling fringe players like Brewster for £23.5m.

It would be very hard to replicate that, as Liverpool are finding out now with some signings not working out recently.

I hope we can do it but realistically I see it being an uphill struggle.

Not saying it would be easy or anything, but we don't have to do everything exactly like Liverpool either. At the core though, what they did is basically get in a great manager and make successful signings - most of whom being a level of signings we could definitely afford to do ourselves as our recent spending proves.


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Hazuki wrote:
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Apparently Ed Woodwood has resigned......................please let Stan be next to go

Crazy developments now. Rumours that Agnelli has resigned as president of Juventus, and the Glazers are looking to sell.

Read before all this ESL, the Glazers had sold some of their assets already.

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Hazuki wrote:
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Coz he’ll need 300 million quids worth of new players and the fans aren’t patient enough to wait 5 minutes

It'll have to happen gradually of course, Liverpool didn't sign all their good players in one summer either. But if Arteta (again for the sake of argument) is the right guy to take us forward, then we will improve if we keep signing players like Tierney, Partey, Martinelli, Gabriel and Pépé, who have all arrived in the last two summers. Think people sometimes makes it sound more complicated than it is really.


Understand what your saying but He won’t get the time Haz, he just won’t.

Our fans don’t understand it’s a process. Klopp lost 12 games and finished 8th in his first season but the Liverpool fans could see a structure was being formed. Arteta has won the fa cup and our lot are advocating his dismissal in his first full season if he doesn’t win a European trophy.


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Of course it would mean expanded budget. The kroenkes no matter how bad they are aren’t stealing our cash for themselves they just aren’t investing their own.

Why should they. That's the whole point for them. Compounded interest income.


There’s no evidence to suggest transfer budget has ever been withheld. In fact the moment our commercial sponsorship deals improved we started spending bigger and our spend is comparable to other clubs our size


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Awe yes. The Kroenkes looking after Arsenals assets, interests and welfare as always, when fans think an ESL will propel the club into glamourous heights of notoriety. Don't forget 'be excited' while they're laughing all the way to the bank.

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Awe yes. The Kroenkes looking after Arsenals assets, interests and welfare as always, when fans think an ESL will propel the club into glamourous heights of notoriety. Don't forget 'be excited' while they're laughing all the way to the bank.

That’s not what I said or what your point was.

They are incompetent, neglectful and out of their depth completely but they aren’t guilty of taking our cash or not giving us spending money


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Zoolander has just submitted a transfer request then

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Liverpool created the perfect storm. Some brilliantly astute under the radar signings (Mane and Salah), a brilliant youth product coming through (TAA) but crucially the incredible revenue from sales of Countinho for £120m to finance VVD and Allison and also selling fringe players like Brewster for £23.5m.

It would be very hard to replicate that, as Liverpool are finding out now with some signings not working out recently.

I hope we can do it but realistically I see it being an uphill struggle.

Agreed, 'perfect Storm' is a great way of describing it. For the non super rich it is the only way to win the real top prizes, but to do it again and again is near impossible.
We don't have a golden goose like a Coutinho but we hopefully do have some pieces of the jigsaw in place to set us on the right way.
2 excellent youth team players coming through saving millions in the transfer market - Saka and Smith-Rowe
Some astute cheap purchases for very little money - Martinelli, Mari
Some really top class players where money was committed - Tierney, Partey

Without big sales those are the 3 areas we're working in.


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When you see the level of debt those twelve clubs are saddled with you can understand their desperation to maximise income. Spuds, Chelsea and Barca all carrying around £1.5b of debt, we are bottom of the table with a measly £125m.

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socrates wrote:
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Will kroenke follow suit now Chelsea and man city have pulled out.
Surely the little weasel will not want to feel the heat and continued backlash.
I pray this forces him out.


Question is, where do we go from here. Kroenke, by being one of the main proponents of the new league, has shown he believes that is the way for Arsenal to become a competitive force again. He clearly does not believe he can do it under the current circumstances, level of income and level of spending.

It's alright for City and Chelsea to take the moral high ground because they have owners with bottomless pockets prepared to spend their money.

Why do you say he was one of the main proponents? My understanding is that, just like city, chavs and spuds, we were only invited to join after Liverpool and united, along with Madrid and Barca had basically set this up... basically in the last 10 days

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Question is, where do we go from here. Kroenke, by being one of the main proponents of the new league, has shown he believes that is the way for Arsenal to become a competitive force again. He clearly does not believe he can do it under the current circumstances, level of income and level of spending.

It's alright for City and Chelsea to take the moral high ground because they have owners with bottomless pockets prepared to spend their money.

Why do you say he was one of the main proponents? My understanding is that, just like city, chavs and spuds, we were only invited to join after Liverpool and united, along with Madrid and Barca had basically set this up... basically in the last 10 days


Do you honestly believe that ?

That it all came to light last week? and Arsenal wouldn’t have considered our position and given it more thought ? or consulted with lawyers about the legal and contractual implications of what we were agreeing to ?

Doesn’t sound the type of thing agreed in 10 days and I’d be utterly staggered if the glazers,KSE and and Fenway sports group haven’t been discussing this for some time.


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