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Assuming Bissouma has genuinely committed the offence and it isn’t a false charge that won’t stand up in court, I always find it strange when celebrities do this type of thing.

Bissouma is a well known Premier League footballer who will therefore be stinking rich by any normal standards. He’ll presumably live in a house so big that a mansion is probably a more appropriate term, and probably drive a massively expensive car in the Ferrari or Bentley sort of class.

There will be countless highly attractive females of any age, ethnicity or appearance who are only too willing to have a sexual relationship with him. I’m definitely not talking about prostitutes who do it for money, at whatever level of client base they’re in. I’m speaking of those who have never accepted a single penny to have sex with someone.

Stuff like being taken to a lavishly expensive restaurant or club, being driven to Bissouma’s impressive dwelling in the Leicestershire countryside (or wherever he lives) and in a Lamborghini (or whatever he drives) will be enough to make many women not only willing but eager to have sex with him. Not all by any means. But a lot, and easily enough to make it easy for Bissouma to find a sexual partner for the evening or night without having to look very hard.

I would say the same of any high profile sportsman, actor, musician and all the other public types of work a small number of people do. If Bissouma has done what he’s been arrested for, he’s an idiot. A complete moron.

Perhaps his fame and fortune did get him his consenting sexual partner, who has now turned around to make a case of it. Anything is a possibility.

If that’s the case I would hope it will be proven easily in court. They met in a nightclub on Brighton seafront on Wednesday, so yesterday. Hence I’m sure others will have seen them together. I doubt the police will have taken the decision to arrest him on the strength of some p*ssed up girl making blatantly false allegations.


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I doubt the police will have taken the decision to arrest him on the strength of some p*ssed up girl making blatantly false allegations.
Cliff Richard might argue with that premise? Having said that the UK's low conviction rates on rape and other sexual assaults is a disgrace to the criminal justice system.

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I doubt the police will have taken the decision to arrest him on the strength of some p*ssed up girl making blatantly false allegations.
Cliff Richard might argue with that premise? Having said that the UK's low conviction rates on rape and other sexual assaults is a disgrace to the criminal justice system.

It presumably implies a case has to be strong to bring a conviction.


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Not seen it too widely reported but Arsenal played a behind closed doors friendly vs QPR. A mix of first teamers not on international duty and youth team players. Arsenal won 3-2.

Read that the goal-scorers were Martinelli(2) and Lacazette but I wouldn't be confident in that being true.


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I doubt the police will have taken the decision to arrest him on the strength of some p*ssed up girl making blatantly false allegations.
Cliff Richard might argue with that premise? Having said that the UK's low conviction rates on rape and other sexual assaults is a disgrace to the criminal justice system.

I didn’t think Cliff Richard was either arrested or charged though.


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Cliff Richard might argue with that premise? Having said that the UK's low conviction rates on rape and other sexual assaults is a disgrace to the criminal justice system.

I didn’t think Cliff Richard was either arrested or charged though.
Maybe not, but it was quite clear that the police and BBC were in cahoots in pursuing him in what turned out to be a baseless allegation. So baseless he ended up being compensated financially, though too little too late to ever repair the damage to his reputation.

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I didn’t think Cliff Richard was either arrested or charged though.
Maybe not, but it was quite clear that the police and BBC were in cahoots in pursuing him in what turned out to be a baseless allegation. So baseless he ended up being compensated financially, though too little too late to ever repair the damage to his reputation.

You clearly know more about the case than me but as far as my limited understanding of it goes, someone made a false allegation about Cliff Richard. The police understandably investigated the matter and found there was no case to answer. Am I right in thinking the guy who made the false allegations was subsequently arrested for making them?

What did the police do that was so wrong? They received an allegation against a celebrity. I would hope you wouldn’t expect them to refuse to investigate an allegation against a celebrity? They looked into it, found there was nothing in the allegation and arrested the bloke who falsely made it for attempted bribery. It wasn’t the police who had to pay Cliff Richard compensation, as far as I recall. I thought it was the media for the way they reported it.


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Without prejudging the allegations, bullet dodged for us. Even if innocent his mind will hardly be on the game and resale value will plummet until sorted one way or the other.

Assuming Bissouma has genuinely committed the offence and it isn’t a false charge that won’t stand up in court, I always find it strange when celebrities do this type of thing.

Bissouma is a well known Premier League footballer who will therefore be stinking rich by any normal standards. He’ll presumably live in a house so big that a mansion is probably a more appropriate term, and probably drive a massively expensive car in the Ferrari or Bentley sort of class.

There will be countless highly attractive females of any age, ethnicity or appearance who are only too willing to have a sexual relationship with him. I’m definitely not talking about prostitutes who do it for money, at whatever level of client base they’re in. I’m speaking of those who have never accepted a single penny to have sex with someone.

Stuff like being taken to a lavishly expensive restaurant or club, being driven to Bissouma’s impressive dwelling in the Leicestershire countryside (or wherever he lives) and in a Lamborghini (or whatever he drives) will be enough to make many women not only willing but eager to have sex with him. Not all by any means. But a lot, and easily enough to make it easy for Bissouma to find a sexual partner for the evening or night without having to look very hard.

I would say the same of any high profile sportsman, actor, musician and all the other public types of work a small number of people do. If Bissouma has done what he’s been arrested for, he’s an idiot. A complete moron.

Rape and sexual assault are crimes of violence and power. Sexual gratification is not the motivating factor. It is often the refusal to believe that someone can refuse them. I believe your prosecution service have a 2 tier test for proceeding with a prosecution. In Australia there must be a prima Facie case and reasonable prospects of a conviction. I am unsure if this has merely been an arrest and charge but I assume the prosecution may have been consulted. Not sure how it works over there.

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Rape and sexual assault are crimes of violence and power. Sexual gratification is not the motivating factor. It is often the refusal to believe that someone can refuse them. I believe your prosecution service have a 2 tier test for proceeding with a prosecution. In Australia there must be a prima Facie case and reasonable prospects of a conviction. I am unsure if this has merely been an arrest and charge but I assume the prosecution may have been consulted. Not sure how it works over there.

I have no knowledge of Australian law, but you make a good point about the psychology of sex attacks. Moreover, it arguably makes Bissouma’s actions, if they are proven, no better or tolerable. I think you said we dodged a bullet by not signing him. If the allegations are proven, I’m struggling to think of a reason to disagree with you.


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Cliff Richard might argue with that premise? Having said that the UK's low conviction rates on rape and other sexual assaults is a disgrace to the criminal justice system.

I didn’t think Cliff Richard was either arrested or charged though.


Charges were dropped due to lack of evidence. The furore was because someone at the police as good as invited the press, was it the BBC?, to film the police forcibly entering Cliff's home and arresting him. Completely unnecessary and very embarrassing to anyone, let alone to Cliff Richard.
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Rape and sexual assault are crimes of violence and power. Sexual gratification is not the motivating factor. It is often the refusal to believe that someone can refuse them. I believe your prosecution service have a 2 tier test for proceeding with a prosecution. In Australia there must be a prima Facie case and reasonable prospects of a conviction. I am unsure if this has merely been an arrest and charge but I assume the prosecution may have been consulted. Not sure how it works over there.

I have no knowledge of Australian law, but you make a good point about the psychology of sex attacks. Moreover, it arguably makes Bissouma’s actions, if they are proven, no better or tolerable. I think you said we dodged a bullet by not signing him. If the allegations are proven, I’m struggling to think of a reason to disagree with you.


The problem the police have in taking cases are that the defence are allowed to use Facebook postings by the accused showing them to possibly be sexually active and promiscuous to the extent that the jury are overly influenced and find defendants not guilty.

The whole thing's a mess.


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A nice pie chart showing premier league owners wealth


What a startling graphic. And what an absolute mess football ownership/governance has become in the premier league.
It seems like Arsenal's only realistic option to 'compete' in the future is going to be developing our own players...before we sell them on.


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I am quite pleased for Newcastle fans but lets be honest it's a disaster for us.

It's also another nail in the coffin for the english game.


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Discussing the football aspects of the Newcastle takeover seems such a ridiculous side thought right now.

Imagine if Kroenke was tracking down and murdering journalists. That’s what your dealing with here with this takeover.

There’s questionable business practices for people like Abramovich and usmanov and then there’s beheading human rights activists.

The sport is becoming more and more absurd and a risk of becoming so grotesque you will question your own morality for just watching it


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I am quite pleased for Newcastle fans but lets be honest it's a disaster for us.

It's also another nail in the coffin for the english game.

Morning socrates. Newcastle presumably might have the spending power to blow Manchester City’s away, let alone the likes of Manchester United, Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal and Tottenham. It’s not just us it’s a disaster for if Newcastle’s owners use their wealth to totally dominate English football.

You say it’s another nail in the coffin for the English game. If its appeal has anything to do with competitiveness, then it could become its burial in the deepest grave of any cemetery. Or even its cremation.

EDIT: And nor am I pleased for Newcastle fans. Stuff them.


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Wonder where Willock will feature in the expected new Newcastle line-up next year? Perhaps happy to be a squad player and win trophies while warming the bench.

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Discussing the football aspects of the Newcastle takeover seems such a ridiculous side thought right now.

Imagine if Kroenke was tracking down and murdering journalists. That’s what your dealing with here with this takeover.

There’s questionable business practices for people like Abramovich and usmanov and then there’s beheading human rights activists.

The sport is becoming more and more absurd and a risk of becoming so grotesque you will question your own morality for just watching it


TG, may I suggest watching a re-run of "Little House on the Prairie" or "Lassie"? Those were morally right shows. :icon_mrgreen1:

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Discussing the football aspects of the Newcastle takeover seems such a ridiculous side thought right now.

Imagine if Kroenke was tracking down and murdering journalists. That’s what your dealing with here with this takeover.

There’s questionable business practices for people like Abramovich and usmanov and then there’s beheading human rights activists.

The sport is becoming more and more absurd and a risk of becoming so grotesque you will question your own morality for just watching it


TG, may I suggest watching a re-run of "Little House on the Prairie" or "Lassie"? Those were morally right shows. :icon_mrgreen1:


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TG, may I suggest watching a re-run of "Little House on the Prairie" or "Lassie"? Those were morally right shows. :icon_mrgreen1:


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Just kidding with you, regards your morality question. Only a joke, no stress.

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The 2 different headlines on the bbc football website totally sum up the absurdity of the sport now ...

Alan Shearer says the Saudi Arabian-backed £305m takeover of Newcastle is a "special day" for the club's long-suffering supporters.


Newcastle United: Saudi-backed takeover is 'heartbreaking,' says fiancee of murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi


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I have no knowledge of Australian law, but you make a good point about the psychology of sex attacks. Moreover, it arguably makes Bissouma’s actions, if they are proven, no better or tolerable. I think you said we dodged a bullet by not signing him. If the allegations are proven, I’m struggling to think of a reason to disagree with you.


The problem the police have in taking cases are that the defence are allowed to use Facebook postings by the accused showing them to possibly be sexually active and promiscuous to the extent that the jury are overly influenced and find defendants not guilty.

The whole thing's a mess.

Sounds like a real difficulty. Mind you juries, particularly women jurors, can be very judgemental

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The 2 different headlines on the bbc football website totally sum up the absurdity of the sport now ...

Alan Shearer says the Saudi Arabian-backed £305m takeover of Newcastle is a "special day" for the club's long-suffering supporters.


Newcastle United: Saudi-backed takeover is 'heartbreaking,' says fiancee of murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi

Nicely summed up, TG. Alan Shearer is an idiot.

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The 2 different headlines on the bbc football website totally sum up the absurdity of the sport now ...

Alan Shearer says the Saudi Arabian-backed £305m takeover of Newcastle is a "special day" for the club's long-suffering supporters.


Newcastle United: Saudi-backed takeover is 'heartbreaking,' says fiancee of murdered journalist Jamal Khashoggi

Nicely summed up, TG. Alan Shearer is an idiot.


The Premier League approved the takeover after receiving "legally binding assurances" that the Saudi state would not control the club.

Oh, that’s ok then.

That is despite the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman, being listed as the chair of the Public Investment Fund (PIF), which will provide 80% of funds for the deal.

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A future Arsenal women’s team footballer came in to the world today, my beautiful daughter Isabelle was born this morning. Everyone healthy and happy.
She’s already told me to not bother with balloons and teddys, all she wants as a present is 3 points v Palace!


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I love the idea that Newcastle fans are delighted that they ‘have got their club back’.

Oh no they haven’t.

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A future Arsenal women’s team footballer came in to the world today, my beautiful daughter Isabelle was born this morning. Everyone healthy and happy.
She’s already told me to not bother with balloons and teddys, all she wants as a present is 3 points v Palace!

Great news. Very many congratulations. :21encouragement:

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A future Arsenal women’s team footballer came in to the world today, my beautiful daughter Isabelle was born this morning. Everyone healthy and happy.
She’s already told me to not bother with balloons and teddys, all she wants as a present is 3 points v Palace!

Great news, Rich! I look forward to reading Isabelle's analysis of our midfield options in decades to come.

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A future Arsenal women’s team footballer came in to the world today, my beautiful daughter Isabelle was born this morning. Everyone healthy and happy.
She’s already told me to not bother with balloons and teddys, all she wants as a present is 3 points v Palace!


Congrats mate, it really is a wonderful time you will remember for the rest of your life so try and suck in every moment as much as possible.


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A future Arsenal women’s team footballer came in to the world today, my beautiful daughter Isabelle was born this morning. Everyone healthy and happy.
She’s already told me to not bother with balloons and teddys, all she wants as a present is 3 points v Palace!


Congrats and thanks for sharing that great news with us. All the best.

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A future Arsenal women’s team footballer came in to the world today, my beautiful daughter Isabelle was born this morning. Everyone healthy and happy.
She’s already told me to not bother with balloons and teddys, all she wants as a present is 3 points v Palace!

Congratulations Rich.


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Lovely news Rich. Congratulations.

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A future Arsenal women’s team footballer came in to the world today, my beautiful daughter Isabelle was born this morning. Everyone healthy and happy.
She’s already told me to not bother with balloons and teddys, all she wants as a present is 3 points v Palace!


Left or right footed?

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Congratulations, Rich. I look forward to you moaning about refs in the middle of the night now :icon_mrgreen:

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Gosh. Quite amazing footage from the Andorra stadium where England are supposed to be playing tomorrow. Lucky that nobody has been injured.

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Fantastic news Rich, many congratulations to you and your other half.


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Maybe the title was not completely accurate, I don't know but the fouling in the replay was insane. Where the eff was the ref?


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This game was interesting. There were more than a few close calls.


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I didn’t think Cliff Richard was either arrested or charged though.


Charges were dropped due to lack of evidence. The furore was because someone at the police as good as invited the press, was it the BBC?, to film the police forcibly entering Cliff's home and arresting him. Completely unnecessary and very embarrassing to anyone, let alone to Cliff Richard.
Thank you - you have answered Bernard's question for me - I believe the BBC had helicopters flying above Cliff Richard's home as the police arrived to question him. The subsequent BBC pay out to him suggests that it was not a case of brilliant investigative journalism, but more about an improper police/media link over the raid. Sad to say the BBC I grew up with is a poor shadow of its former self.

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A future Arsenal women’s team footballer came in to the world today, my beautiful daughter Isabelle was born this morning. Everyone healthy and happy.
She’s already told me to not bother with balloons and teddys, all she wants as a present is 3 points v Palace!
Wonderful news - many congratulations to you all.

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