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Our biggest enemy at the moment is the proverbial handbrake.

We’re so inconsistent. A fine win today, but we’re more than capable of dropping points against Fulham.

We can win the Europa League with the players we have. On paper the most likely final is Arsenal versus Manchester United. The respective league positions of the two clubs suggests they’re the better team. But if we have one of our good days in the final, I’d fancy us to beat them. The uncertain thing is whether we’d have one of our good days. You don’t know what Arsenal is going to turn up in any game.

I'd rather be playing Utd in a one off game than over two legs.

Heard on the radio this morning that next seasons European Super Cup Final will be held in Belfast!! Here's hoping to see the arse back in town, been a while.

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I think we need to rest players this weekend. The league is done, frankly. Put everything into the Europa, rest some key players in the PL and give the fringe and young players some minutes.

I totally agree but the problem Arteta has is the moment he drops any key player he gets attacked so he can’t win. The hysteria that follows any result that isn’t 3 points for us affects confidence. It’s an absolute furore

I'm focussing on the upward trajectory in our mean performance (even if that is harder to detect definitively in our results), and trying to shut out rather significant scatter around that mean :laughing7: :laughing7:

Arteta needs to figure out how to cut out those frustratingly sluggish starts. Against Liverpool and West Ham, the mentality might have been to keep it tight which leads to tentativeness and it goes pear-shaped from there. We are simply not playing to our strengths. Ditto the first league against Prague. If you are the home team in first leg, you need to put the fear of away goals completely out of mind.

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I think we need to rest players this weekend. The league is done, frankly. Put everything into the Europa, rest some key players in the PL and give the fringe and young players some minutes.


I thought we could have made some subs earlier, given them half and hour whilst resting the likes of Emile Smith Rowe and Saka for another day. I mean not even we could have conceded four goals in half an hour? Could we :laughing7:


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I totally agree but the problem Arteta has is the moment he drops any key player he gets attacked so he can’t win. The hysteria that follows any result that isn’t 3 points for us affects confidence. It’s an absolute furore

I'm focussing on the upward trajectory in our mean performance (even if that is harder to detect definitively in our results), and trying to shut out rather significant scatter around that mean :laughing7: :laughing7: .


What do you mean ? You think Arteta shouldn’t be sacked for bringing on El Nenny for 14 minutes in a sewn up game ?

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If we get past Villarreal I dont think my nerves /health could handle a final against Utd.
Losing to Chelsea in Baku was bad enough but losing to those tossers would be excruciating.
I'm praying Roma can knock them out but are they strong enough to? I have my doubts.
Can only hope and pray.
Utd are a very good team but so are we on our day.
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Same. I think last night showed exactly how powerful it can be. That picture of Lacazette will live long in the memory.

Really impressed with Lacazette this whole season: for his role on the pitch, and as an example and leader for the younger players.


He’s not perhaps quite up to the standard required for a title challenging team, but he’s an honest professional and in my opinion, a far better choice for Captain than anyone else at the moment.

And keep taking the knee; if people say they’re getting hacked off with it, it means there’s still work to do in getting rid of racism.

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Really impressed with Lacazette this whole season: for his role on the pitch, and as an example and leader for the younger players.


He’s not perhaps quite up to the standard required for a title challenging team, but he’s an honest professional and in my opinion, a far better choice for Captain than anyone else at the moment.

And keep taking the knee; if people say they’re getting hacked off with it, it means there’s still work to do in get ting rid of racism.

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https://metro.co.uk/2021/04/16/arteta-reacts-to-powerful-alexandre-lacazette-gesture-amid-slavia-prague-race-row-14418295/?ito=newsnow-feed

Respect to Arsenal, Lacazette & his team. Stamp out Racism.


This taking the knee nonsense is beginning to grate frankly. It's over a year now.


But the ugly face of racism is still happening

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This taking the knee nonsense is beginning to grate frankly. It's over a year now.


But the ugly face of racism is still happening


But far less than it used to. Furthermore the knee taking is now so perfunctory and done so often it has lost its meaning if ever it had any. Certainly racists aren't going to change their ways because a bunch of highly paid players kneel down.

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john1 wrote:
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Really impressed with Lacazette this whole season: for his role on the pitch, and as an example and leader for the younger players.


He’s not perhaps quite up to the standard required for a title challenging team, but he’s an honest professional and in my opinion, a far better choice for Captain than anyone else at the moment.

And keep taking the knee; if people say they’re getting hacked off with it, it means there’s still work to do in getting rid of racism.


Our club told Mesut Özil to shut up for the temerity of mentioning an ongoing genocide. Somehow that racism seems not to be worthy of mention. I smell virtue signalling.

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john1 wrote:
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Really impressed with Lacazette this whole season: for his role on the pitch, and as an example and leader for the younger players.


He’s not perhaps quite up to the standard required for a title challenging team, but he’s an honest professional and in my opinion, a far better choice for Captain than anyone else at the moment.

And keep taking the knee; if people say they’re getting hacked off with it, it means there’s still work to do in getting rid of racism.

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Dont agree that we should just give up on the league.
Of course we have to give our all to winning the Europa but while there is still a chance to nick a Europa spot via top 7 we have to go for it.
We get knocked out or lose in the final at least we have achieved qualification for next season.
Spurs run in on paper is harder than ours and we are only 4 points behind them.
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I'm focussing on the upward trajectory in our mean performance (even if that is harder to detect definitively in our results), and trying to shut out rather significant scatter around that mean :laughing7: :laughing7: .


What do you mean ? You think Arteta shouldn’t be sacked for bringing on El Nenny for 14 minutes in a sewn up game ?

Lefty woke nonsense off with the guys head.

:laughing7: :laughing7:

On reflection, I would agree that beheading would be a bit harsh.

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Heard on the radio this morning that next seasons European Super Cup Final will be held in Belfast!! Here's hoping to see the arse back in town, been a while.


Really? I would LOVE to visit Belfast. As soon as this covid19 mess is over, I'm heading to games. It's interesting, the pandemic has made me feel a certain way of not being able to make games that I didn't make a great enough effort to go to prior.

I'm definitely going to some when we're able to go to it live. PS: I'll be wearing the Mustafi shirt. :1laughter:

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Never really expected to beat Chelsea in that final. However despite them being 2nd in the table and likely finish runner up, Man Utd are very vulnerable. They are no where near Ferguson's Man Utd. It's not a stretch to see us beat them and that is what would make a final nerve racking. Knowing we are definitely in with a shout and losing a game that is very winnable if we do what we all know we are capable of.

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He’s not perhaps quite up to the standard required for a title challenging team, but he’s an honest professional and in my opinion, a far better choice for Captain than anyone else at the moment.

And keep taking the knee; if people say they’re getting hacked off with it, it means there’s still work to do in getting rid of racism.


Our club told Mesut Özil to shut up for the temerity of mentioning an ongoing genocide. Somehow that racism seems not to be worthy of mention. I smell virtue signalling.

Kaepernick got a lot more flak for his stand than Özil did. In my view, Özil and co should persist with their activism. Kaepernick's refusal to be cowed was certainly effective. I think that Özil's stand was arguably more political (it was a direct criticism of the Chinese government) whereas the anti-racism stance is not singling out any political entity, and it is something that football has already bought into. Finally its impossible to imagine that what we saw last night was virtue signalling from Lacazette, and the reports are that he talked to Arteta about it first. He conducted himself in a professional, and I think, inspiring way.

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He’s not perhaps quite up to the standard required for a title challenging team, but he’s an honest professional and in my opinion, a far better choice for Captain than anyone else at the moment.

And keep taking the knee; if people say they’re getting hacked off with it, it means there’s still work to do in getting rid of racism.


Our club told Mesut Özil to shut up for the temerity of mentioning an ongoing genocide. Somehow that racism seems not to be worthy of mention. I smell virtue signalling.


So is your argument there are so many forms of discrimination in the world that there’s no point making a stand against any of them?

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We’re so inconsistent. A fine win today, but we’re more than capable of dropping points against Fulham.

We can win the Europa League with the players we have. On paper the most likely final is Arsenal versus Manchester United. The respective league positions of the two clubs suggests they’re the better team. But if we have one of our good days in the final, I’d fancy us to beat them. The uncertain thing is whether we’d have one of our good days. You don’t know what Arsenal is going to turn up in any game.

I'd rather be playing Utd in a one off game than over two legs.

Heard on the radio this morning that next seasons European Super Cup Final will be held in Belfast!! Here's hoping to see the arse back in town, been a while.


The shorter the better. If we could make it a T20 cricket match or a coin toss, I'd take that. United are pretty scary at the moment. They haven't lost in the league or Europe since January (and that was a freak loss against Sheffield United.

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Our club told Mesut Özil to shut up for the temerity of mentioning an ongoing genocide. Somehow that racism seems not to be worthy of mention. I smell virtue signalling.

Kaepernick got a lot more flak for his stand than Özil did. In my view, Özil and co should persist with their activism. Kaepernick's refusal to be cowed was certainly effective. I think that Özil's stand was arguably more political (it was a direct criticism of the Chinese government) whereas the anti-racism stance is not singling out any political entity, and it is something that football has already bought into. Finally its impossible to imagine that what we saw last night was virtue signalling from Lacazette, and the reports are that he talked to Arteta about it first. He conducted himself in a professional, and I think, inspiring way.


Absolutely. And we need to remember what happened at Rangers with the Slavia Prague player, who only got a 10 match ban.

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But far less than it used to. Furthermore the knee taking is now so perfunctory and done so often it has lost its meaning if ever it had any. Certainly racists aren't going to change their ways because a bunch of highly paid players kneel down.

I suppose the question has to be whether ‘taking the knee’ does anything to reduce racism? I presume that cannot have been proven one way or the other considering the only player I’m aware of who has stopped doing it is Crystal Palace’s Wilfred Zaha, who is obviously black himself.

I think it’s noticeable that with every single live game shown on telly, as far as those I’ve seen the start of anyway, the commentators always make a point of saying why it’s being done. They must have been told to do so, I’m guessing to stop people forgetting why players are doing it. Without commentators doing that, would I have forgotten why it ever started? I’d like to think my memory isn’t quite so bad to have no idea at all why it started, but in years to come it would probably be no more than something in the ‘back of my mind’.

I’m not saying ‘taking the knee’ should be stopped, but I’m not convinced it does anything useful to stop racism either. It does sometimes strike me as football doing a flimsy bit of pretending to do something worthwhile, when I’m not sure it is. I feel there are measures that are immeasurably more important that could be done such as in children’s education and stopping online racial abuse, for just two examples.

I think the main thing football has done is make black players heroes to white kids and vice versa. What white kid who supported Arsenal at the time couldn’t have seen Henry, Vieira and Campbell as heroes; and what black kid who supported Arsenal couldn’t have seen Bergkamp, Petit and Adams as heroes? Hopefully exactly the same thing applies to modern white kids with Saka and black kids with Smith Rowe. The same thing will apply with young fans at other clubs.


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I think we need to rest players this weekend. The league is done, frankly. Put everything into the Europa, rest some key players in the PL and give the fringe and young players some minutes.


I thought we could have made some subs earlier, given them half and hour whilst resting the likes of Emile Smith Rowe and Saka for another day. I mean not even we could have conceded four goals in half an hour? Could we :laughing7:

I would have thought the team would have barely got out of 1st gear for most of the second half. It should have been more akin to a light jog and pronbably not that much difference whether they played 60, 70, 80 or 90 minutes other than the risk of injury by simply being on the pitch longer.
I'm talking slightly tongue in cheek here but there are games that players can physically and mentally turn down the intensity levels. For example I reckon the players who played 90 minutes yesterday would be less fatigued by the 90 minutes v Slavia than 60 minutes in a full throttle premier league game like the game v West Ham or Liverpool


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But far less than it used to. Furthermore the knee taking is now so perfunctory and done so often it has lost its meaning if ever it had any. Certainly racists aren't going to change their ways because a bunch of highly paid players kneel down.

I suppose the question has to be whether ‘taking the knee’ does anything to reduce racism? I presume that cannot have been proven one way or the other considering the only player I’m aware of who has stopped doing it is Crystal Palace’s Wilfred Zaha, who is obviously black himself.

I think it’s noticeable that with every single live game shown on telly, as far as those I’ve seen the start of anyway, the commentators always make a point of saying why it’s being done. They must have been told to do so, I’m guessing to stop people forgetting why players are doing it. Without commentators doing that, would I have forgotten why it ever started? I’d like to think my memory isn’t quite so bad to have no idea at all why it started, but in years to come it would probably be no more than something in the ‘back of my mind’.

I’m not saying ‘taking the knee’ should be stopped, but I’m not convinced it does anything useful to stop racism either. It does sometimes strike me as football doing a flimsy bit of pretending to do something worthwhile, when I’m not sure it is. I feel there are measures that are immeasurably more important that could be done such as in children’s education and stopping online racial abuse, for just two examples.

I think the main thing football has done is make black players heroes to white kids and vice versa. What white kid who supported Arsenal at the time couldn’t have seen Henry, Vieira and Campbell as heroes; and what black kid who supported Arsenal couldn’t have seen Bergkamp, Petit and Adams as heroes? Hopefully exactly the same thing applies to modern white kids with Saka and black kids with Smith Rowe. The same thing will apply at young fans at other clubs.


Some fair points Bernard.

But taking the knee seems to me to be a highly visible, powerful statement that certainly has raised awareness, especially I think amongst the young.

We need to keep shining a light on the dark places where racism and all forms of injustice in the world exist, and this particular stance is one way of helping to achieve that. But as you say, more need to be done.

And one more thing; last night’s episode of taking the knee has got us talking about it.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%8 ... _CF_season

A low down on Villarreal this season for results and form. I haven't watched any of their games.

Seems they were up in the top 4 for a while but have dropped off recently. Lots of draws suggest they stay in games and keep things tight. In fact only Barca has scored more than 2 goals against them all season (edit: Sivasspor lost 5-3 to them in Europa group stage)

Villarreal have also won home and away in all 6 of their knock out games in Europa league. Much better than our 3 wins, 2 draws, 1 defeat


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So is your argument there are so many forms of discrimination in the world that there’s no point making a stand against any of them?


After Floyd's killing ok but one year on is OTT. You should look into BLM.

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Bernard wrote:
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But far less than it used to. Furthermore the knee taking is now so perfunctory and done so often it has lost its meaning if ever it had any. Certainly racists aren't going to change their ways because a bunch of highly paid players kneel down.

I suppose the question has to be whether ‘taking the knee’ does anything to reduce racism? I presume that cannot have been proven one way or the other considering the only player I’m aware of who has stopped doing it is Crystal Palace’s Wilfred Zaha, who is obviously black himself.

I think it’s noticeable that with every single live game shown on telly, as far as those I’ve seen the start of anyway, the commentators always make a point of saying why it’s being done. They must have been told to do so, I’m guessing to stop people forgetting why players are doing it. Without commentators doing that, would I have forgotten why it ever started? I’d like to think my memory isn’t quite so bad to have no idea at all why it started, but in years to come it would probably be no more than something in the ‘back of my mind’.

I’m not saying ‘taking the knee’ should be stopped, but I’m not convinced it does anything useful to stop racism either. It does sometimes strike me as football doing a flimsy bit of pretending to do something worthwhile, when I’m not sure it is. I feel there are measures that are immeasurably more important that could be done such as in children’s education and stopping online racial abuse, for just two examples.

I think the main thing football has done is make black players heroes to white kids and vice versa. What white kid who supported Arsenal at the time couldn’t have seen Henry, Vieira and Campbell as heroes; and what black kid who supported Arsenal couldn’t have seen Bergkamp, Petit and Adams as heroes? Hopefully exactly the same thing applies to modern white kids with Saka and black kids with Smith Rowe. The same thing will apply with young fans at other clubs.


Good post. Like you I feel it does little to advance any cause but gives a warm smug feeling of being right on to wealthy players and clubs.

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I suppose the question has to be whether ‘taking the knee’ does anything to reduce racism? I presume that cannot have been proven one way or the other considering the only player I’m aware of who has stopped doing it is Crystal Palace’s Wilfred Zaha, who is obviously black himself.

I think it’s noticeable that with every single live game shown on telly, as far as those I’ve seen the start of anyway, the commentators always make a point of saying why it’s being done. They must have been told to do so, I’m guessing to stop people forgetting why players are doing it. Without commentators doing that, would I have forgotten why it ever started? I’d like to think my memory isn’t quite so bad to have no idea at all why it started, but in years to come it would probably be no more than something in the ‘back of my mind’.

I’m not saying ‘taking the knee’ should be stopped, but I’m not convinced it does anything useful to stop racism either. It does sometimes strike me as football doing a flimsy bit of pretending to do something worthwhile, when I’m not sure it is. I feel there are measures that are immeasurably more important that could be done such as in children’s education and stopping online racial abuse, for just two examples.

I think the main thing football has done is make black players heroes to white kids and vice versa. What white kid who supported Arsenal at the time couldn’t have seen Henry, Vieira and Campbell as heroes; and what black kid who supported Arsenal couldn’t have seen Bergkamp, Petit and Adams as heroes? Hopefully exactly the same thing applies to modern white kids with Saka and black kids with Smith Rowe. The same thing will apply with young fans at other clubs.


Good post. Like you I feel it does little to advance any cause but gives a warm smug feeling of being right on to wealthy players and clubs.


There you have to folks.

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So is your argument there are so many forms of discrimination in the world that there’s no point making a stand against any of them?


After Floyd's killing ok but one year on is OTT. You should look into BLM.

You can 'look into' just about any organisation or movement and find 'issues', even if you leave aside nonsensical conspiracy theories linking it all to George Soros. BLM is the sort of movement that is inevitably going to attract hotheads, identitarians, and extremists.

However, if you look at it without the ideological glass on, you will find that for the most it is a genuine grass root movement, driven by real issues (as we speak Republicans are shamelessly attempting to enact measures to disenfranchise black voters), with a non-violent, inclusive ethos.

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So is your argument there are so many forms of discrimination in the world that there’s no point making a stand against any of them?


After Floyd's killing ok but one year on is OTT. You should look into BLM.

You should 'look into' the history of the taking the knee protest. It started in 2016, motivated amongst other things by the shooting of Philando Castile. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_ ... do_Castile

It started like this: "The two occupants just look like people that were involved in a robbery. The driver looks more like one of our suspects, just because of the wide-set nose."

That story, and others like it (like George Floyd's neck being 'taken a knee' upon), counteracts any smugly fuzzy warm feeling I might have experienced when I saw Lacazette's actions last night.

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Warm and fuzzy:
"Reynolds told the officer, "You shot four bullets into him, sir. He was just getting his license and registration, sir."[3][26] Reynolds also said "Please don't tell me he's dead", while Yanez exclaimed: "I told him not to reach for it! I told him to get his hand open!"[28]

At one point in the video footage, an officer orders Reynolds to get on her knees and the sound of Reynolds being handcuffed can be heard. Reynolds' phone falls onto the ground but continues recording, and an officer periodically yells, "*%^@!"[37] Video from the squad car of Joseph Kauser (where Reynolds and her daughter were put after Reynolds was handcuffed), shows Reynolds' daughter telling her, "Mom, please stop cussing and screaming 'cause I don't want you to get shooted. Reynolds was taken into custody, questioned at a police station, and released the following morning around 5:00 a.m"

i.e. imprisoned overnight because the cops shot her partner for nothing.

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Heard on the radio this morning that next seasons European Super Cup Final will be held in Belfast!! Here's hoping to see the arse back in town, been a while.


Really? I would LOVE to visit Belfast. As soon as this covid19 mess is over, I'm heading to games. It's interesting, the pandemic has made me feel a certain way of not being able to make games that I didn't make a great enough effort to go to prior.

I'm definitely going to some when we're able to go to it live. PS: I'll be wearing the Mustafi shirt. :1laughter:

Get yourself over then American.

One/two days would be enough for Belfast, then get yourself off to Derry, Galway, Dublin, Kerry etc. Best way to do Ireland is tour around.

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I'd rather be playing Utd in a one off game than over two legs.

Heard on the radio this morning that next seasons European Super Cup Final will be held in Belfast!! Here's hoping to see the arse back in town, been a while.


The shorter the better. If we could make it a T20 cricket match or a coin toss, I'd take that. United are pretty scary at the moment. They haven't lost in the league or Europe since January (and that was a freak loss against Sheffield United.

Yeah, I'm hoping for Roma tbh.

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But far less than it used to. Furthermore the knee taking is now so perfunctory and done so often it has lost its meaning if ever it had any. Certainly racists aren't going to change their ways because a bunch of highly paid players kneel down.

I suppose the question has to be whether ‘taking the knee’ does anything to reduce racism? I presume that cannot have been proven one way or the other considering the only player I’m aware of who has stopped doing it is Crystal Palace’s Wilfred Zaha, who is obviously black himself.

I think it’s noticeable that with every single live game shown on telly, as far as those I’ve seen the start of anyway, the commentators always make a point of saying why it’s being done. They must have been told to do so, I’m guessing to stop people forgetting why players are doing it. Without commentators doing that, would I have forgotten why it ever started? I’d like to think my memory isn’t quite so bad to have no idea at all why it started, but in years to come it would probably be no more than something in the ‘back of my mind’.

I’m not saying ‘taking the knee’ should be stopped, but I’m not convinced it does anything useful to stop racism either. It does sometimes strike me as football doing a flimsy bit of pretending to do something worthwhile, when I’m not sure it is. I feel there are measures that are immeasurably more important that could be done such as in children’s education and stopping online racial abuse, for just two examples.

I think the main thing football has done is make black players heroes to white kids and vice versa. What white kid who supported Arsenal at the time couldn’t have seen Henry, Vieira and Campbell as heroes; and what black kid who supported Arsenal couldn’t have seen Bergkamp, Petit and Adams as heroes? Hopefully exactly the same thing applies to modern white kids with Saka and black kids with Smith Rowe. The same thing will apply with young fans at other clubs.

Who was the first black player to play for Arsenal? I don't know the answer and am not going to google it - but going to guess Viv Anderson.

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Our club told Mesut Özil to shut up for the temerity of mentioning an ongoing genocide. Somehow that racism seems not to be worthy of mention. I smell virtue signalling.

He conducted himself in a professional, and I think, inspiring way.

True, and an superb image it was - and I agree with whoever said earlier - seeing the ref doing it as well in the picture was also awesome.

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This is Emery's competition. Look at how many finals he's been to in the last several years and with 2 different sides and now trying with a 3rd side. For whatever reason the football gods have blessed him in this competition. I'm not counting our chickens. We have yet to put back to back great outings. I'm taking a 'wait and see' approach. I know I sound like a wet blanket but I'm not going to get too emotionally invested in this seasons side now. They've teased me and let me down more times than Shawnell Thompson in HS. (She's since married and changed her name so you can't look her up to see what she looks like :icon_mrgreen: )

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Take a close look at this.

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What do you see in the Prague team in that photo?
Didn't figure it would be mentioned on here that there are 6 black players in the Prague side, from Liberia, Ivory Coast, Senegal. One possibly mixed race who's Danish named Alexander Bah.
I noticed this before our 2 EL matches against Prague. Many black players are on many Euro teams. How racism impacts them personally and directly, I don't know. Whether taking the knee or in Zaha's case 'taking a stand' is no different. From what I understand is Zaha doesn't want taking the knee to be a spectacle or weakness and reflect away from the real racist issues, so he stands to show strength.

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Take a close look at this.

Sorry what am I looking for ?

TG,
One black player. Not sure if he was the only one.

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Niall wrote:
Who was the first black player to play for Arsenal? I don't know the answer and am not going to google it - but going to guess Viv Anderson.

Shame on you :icon_mrgreen1: .....the answer is someone who went on be deputy CEO of the PFA

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Zed wrote:
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Sorry what am I looking for ?

TG,
One black player. Not sure if he was the only one.

Sorry I meant in the standing Prague players.

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