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Post #552441  Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2022 10:45 am 
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If the UK has a foreign policy of supporting a country defend itself againest a dictator who owns and can weaponise energy I’m not sure how even considering windfall tax long term we can resolve that issue without our government themselves controlling our energy suppliers.

Windfall tax fixes it .. possibly temporarily but not sure on this. You do one thing and he’ll do another. Strikes me as a thing that needs strong government control and can’t be left to the private sector.

On the rail stuff … of course they deserve a rise (it’s peanuts anyway) as do our NHS staff and emergency services. If you are bitter about another hard working human being trying to stop themselves falling into trouble then you are probably a wrong un and need to take a look in the mirror


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Can’t believe anyone wanted this guy to run our club simply on the basis that he had money. The Kroenkes may be very far from perfect but this bloke running the club would have been utterly repugnant.

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Can’t believe anyone wanted this guy to run our club simply on the basis that he had money. The Kroenkes may be very far from perfect but this bloke running the club would have been utterly repugnant.

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Easy to say that with the benefit of hindsight. He’s accused of money laundering and contravening sanctions. Hardly makes him a serial killer.


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Bernard wrote:
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Can’t believe anyone wanted this guy to run our club simply on the basis that he had money. The Kroenkes may be very far from perfect but this bloke running the club would have been utterly repugnant.

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Easy to say that with the benefit of hindsight. He’s accused of money laundering and contravening sanctions. Hardly makes him a serial killer.

Many of us were critical of him pre-Ukraine war. It was obvious the guy was a wrong‘un. Being a close ally of Putin, who really is a serial killer doesn’t exactly endear one to his charms.

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Bernard wrote:
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Can’t believe anyone wanted this guy to run our club simply on the basis that he had money. The Kroenkes may be very far from perfect but this bloke running the club would have been utterly repugnant.

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Easy to say that with the benefit of hindsight. He’s accused of money laundering and contravening sanctions. Hardly makes him a serial killer.

Money laundering is OK?????

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Darren wrote:
Can’t believe anyone wanted this guy to run our club simply on the basis that he had money. The Kroenkes may be very far from perfect but this bloke running the club would have been utterly repugnant.

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Everton are going to have problems

It’s blatant apparently that he indirectly owned Everton and gave the money to moshiri for the purchase. Moshiri has admitted this in private in the past too.


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Bernard wrote:
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Can’t believe anyone wanted this guy to run our club simply on the basis that he had money. The Kroenkes may be very far from perfect but this bloke running the club would have been utterly repugnant.

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He’s accused of money laundering and contravening sanctions.


Bet that’s the tip of a very large iceberg.

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Easy to say that with the benefit of hindsight. He’s accused of money laundering and contravening sanctions. Hardly makes him a serial killer.

Money laundering is OK?????

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Yeah there’s a lot to see here

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dec wrote:
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Easy to say that with the benefit of hindsight. He’s accused of money laundering and contravening sanctions. Hardly makes him a serial killer.

Money laundering is OK?????

Do you think so, as I never said that? All I did imply is it’s not as bad as serial killing.


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Money laundering is OK?????

Do you think so, as I never said that? All I did imply is it’s not as bad as serial killing.

Seriously Bernard, you implied that it wasn't too serious or at the very least that is how it read.

I mean, is serial killing the threshold for measuring probity?

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There are certain sections of the media and pundits who seem to get so riled up by anything Arsenal do, this goes in to overdrive when we’re doing well.
Today I’ve seen the decision to give Nwaneri 5 minutes described as awful and a complete egotistical self indulgent move by Arteta……and I’ve also seen people list reasons why Arsenal can’t sustain a title challenge (no Arsenal fan is saying we’re title challengers)….and one of those reasons is because Jesus is so brilliant - in other words what do we do without him, and we are told Jesus is the difference and it is absolutely nothing to do with Arteta and anything he’s done!

I know many will disagree but it’s out there so often that to me it is clear as day. There is still something about Arsenal that many in the media can’t stand. The only team that comes close is Man U who take plenty of stick when they’re bad but are quickly lauded when they’re good. Liverpool and Spurs are totally idolised by the majority of the media. Man City barely get reported on and Chelsea are a bit up and down.


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Money laundering is OK?????

:14laughter:

A serial killer would be a better investor. What you really don't want in an investor is serious questions about where his money comes from.

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Bernard wrote:
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Money laundering is OK?????

Do you think so, as I never said that? All I did imply is it’s not as bad as serial killing.

A serial killer would be an awful choice for a baby sitter. For an investor, I think it would be a close call.

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Was talking to one of the dads I know at my sons Rugby training this evening. He plays 5-a-side with Nwaneri's dad in Islington and says the dad supports Liverpool so assumes Ethan does too. He said he's going to ask him tomorrow night for clarity. I know this may concern Bernard hugely.

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dec wrote:
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Do you think so, as I never said that? All I did imply is it’s not as bad as serial killing.

Seriously Bernard, you implied that it wasn't too serious or at the very least that is how it read.

I mean, is serial killing the threshold for measuring probity?

Sorry but you read it the wrong way. I never said money laundering was okay. The reason I compared it to serial killing is that if there is a worse crime than that, I can’t think of it. Because serial killing is so extreme, it seemed an appropriate example to use. As would single murder and other examples.


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Bernard wrote:
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Seriously Bernard, you implied that it wasn't too serious or at the very least that is how it read.

I mean, is serial killing the threshold for measuring probity?

Sorry but you read it the wrong way. I never said money laundering was okay. The reason I compared it to serial killing is that if there is a worse crime than that, I can’t think of it. Because serial killing is so extreme, it seemed an appropriate example to use. As would single murder and other examples.

A serial killer bumps off, if he has a good run, somewhere between 5 and 20 people.

Those engaged in organised crime do a lot more harm. Also, their criminality is more despicable because they don't have the excuse of being mentally ill.

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I was almost tempted to click on the link below that:

"At 110, Linda Gray leads modest life ...".

Its torture having to wait until Saturday after next for the Spurs game.

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https://twitter.com/talksport/status/15 ... uogshNb1pQ

Here’s another one. Massive furore in the media over Gabriel mimicking Toney’s tweet from when they beat us. I get the idea that Brentford are the smaller club but people were absolutely lining up for Brentford to beat us last weekend, all the headlines were written they were desperate for it. So if Brentford can take the mick when they beat us and Toney’s tweet was widely laughed at at the time, why can’t Arsenal have a little pop back. It’s all so harmless but some people have lost their sh*t over it.

You could make a very long list of the things we’ve been criticised for even just this season, where other clubs are given a free pass.

Of course we’re a massive club so we’ll naturally generate more interest and headlines but that doesn’t explain why this scrutiny doesn’t land on the other very big clubs.


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Darren wrote:
Was talking to one of the dads I know at my sons Rugby training this evening. He plays 5-a-side with Nwaneri's dad in Islington and says the dad supports Liverpool so assumes Ethan does too. He said he's going to ask him tomorrow night for clarity. I know this may concern Bernard hugely.

I do wonder if something was driving it. Seems like it was a very deliberate decision

https://www.football365.com/news/liverp ... evel-claim

I think the article to look at is this ….

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Sorry but you read it the wrong way. I never said money laundering was okay. The reason I compared it to serial killing is that if there is a worse crime than that, I can’t think of it. Because serial killing is so extreme, it seemed an appropriate example to use. As would single murder and other examples.

A serial killer bumps off, if he has a good run, somewhere between 5 and 20 people.

Those engaged in organised crime do a lot more harm. Also, their criminality is more despicable because they don't have the excuse of being mentally ill.

Serial killers aren’t all mentally ill. Many just enjoy killing people. That makes them unusual but not mentally ill. Money laundering (if that’s what you mean by organised crime) routinely does nothing remotely comparable to what serial killers do and it’s silly to claim anything else. Remember the negative consequences of money laundering is spread so widely, possibly even across entire populations, to an almost marginal extent it often makes a negligible difference to the individuals within those populations or groups.

Serial killers end the lives of their victims, added to which are the often extremely negative consequences for their relatives. I wouldn’t want to be the victim of money laundering. But I would much, much prefer being a victim of money laundering than the victim of a serial killer, as being a direct victim of the latter would end my life.


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Bernard wrote:
Money laundering (if that’s what you mean by organised crime) routinely does nothing remotely comparable to what serial killers do and it’s silly to claim anything else.

I wouldn’t want to be the victim of money laundering.


No i wouldn't want to be the victim of money laundering either. I well remember the brutal scenes in the Godfather when Sonny is ambushed by money launderers, or the South American gang at the end of Scarface invading Tony's home and forcibly laundering all his money.

But these are just media fantasies concocted for our entertainment. Thankfully in reality, as Bernard has so helpfully pointed out, organised criminal gangs are relatively harmless. It's not like they kill people is it?

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Money laundering (if that’s what you mean by organised crime) routinely does nothing remotely comparable to what serial killers do and it’s silly to claim anything else.

I wouldn’t want to be the victim of money laundering.


No i wouldn't want to be the victim of money laundering either. I well remember the brutal scenes in the Godfather when Sonny is ambushed by money launderers, or the South American gang at the end of Scarface invading Tony's home and forcibly laundering all his money.

But these are just media fantasies concocted for our entertainment. Thankfully in reality, as Bernard has so helpfully pointed out, organised criminal gangs are relatively harmless. It's not like they kill people is it?

Some criminal gangs may of course kill. But as you did in your first paragraph, let’s get this back to money laundering where the debate appeared to start. Surely it’s reasonable to say that just about anyone (unless they’re genuinely wanting their life to end and would prefer someone else to do it than commit suicide) would rather lose cash from money laundering than be murdered - by a serial killer or a single killer. Serial killers can be considered worse than single victim murderers simply because they kill more people.


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I was one of those who disliked Xhaka so much and wanted him gone, during those trying seasons for him. Feel so much guilt now to have felt that way about him. Am liking him more and more now. He has been so much more forward looking in his plays this year (not just this season), and is so integral to the team. Go Xhaka, go! :58big-emoticons:

(Note to self: must not fall back to dislike when he has a bad game)

I’m aware that Jesus has been outstanding but so far, for me anyway, Xhaka has been our player of the season.

I thought OMOH got it completely right about him when he said words to the effect that the over the top criticism he used to get was utterly ridiculous. So much so I think pathetic might be a more relevant word than ridiculous, and I’m not just talking about you with that gooner7. Even ignoring this season, he was never even remotely close to being as bad as some used to claim under Wenger, Emery and approaching the initial two and a half years or so under Arteta.


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Having moaned about people having a go at Arsenal for whatever we do I'm now going to moan about the other side of the media talking us up as title contenders! I want us to just go under the radar for as long as possible.

For me, our start has been better than could be expected even if you might think on paper we should win the 6 games we have won - football just doesn't happen like that. We're still in a very competitive race for the top 4 where 2 big teams who should be in it will miss out. Currently (only 7 games in) I feel like it is Chelsea nd Man U who miss out, neither look as good as the other 4. Their new managers could swing them one way or the other but I see more gaps in quality in both their squads than the other 4.

Top 4 for us shows progress but I also think we must be targeting a trophy - ideally the Europa League. We need to be consistent in the league and also a team that can beat anyone in a cup game. The final target for the season is to be better in the 4 games v City and Liverpool. Last year was 3 very one sided games against them and one game we played very well but still ended up being beaten. In top 6 games your target should always be to win the home games and take a draw away from home - that is title winning form so it is unrealistic for us right now but I want to beat both of them at least once this season to really instill the belief that we're right up there now.


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The best analysis I’ve seen on xhakas transformation

https://twitter.com/jj_bull/status/1572 ... fS9mBfNGkA

It’s quite strange. The new formation seems to protect the side from his weaknesses and exploit his strengths. He has a manager that understands him for the first time. He was literally allergic to going in the penalty area under wenger and always used to stop his run forward.

Doesn’t mean he’s amazing now and wasn’t before and neither does it mean he’s always been incredible. Doesn’t always have to be one thing or another.

What certainly is the case is for the first time he’s adding real value and consistency in performance


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Arsenal critics missing the point and Arteta in driving seat to become Premier League trailblazer

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My guess is one of the Dems will figure out that going for a conviction will bring long term political repurcussions and the best way to bring Trump down is take away his business. All major American companies violate the law. That's a given. The 2008 recession Wall Street committed massive fraud and no one went to jail. They donate too much money. Obama got about 100 million for his campaign. This may sound crazy but you can bribe any politician as long as you report it. The Republican Supreme Court saw to that years ago in a court case saying 'money is speech' (with regards to donating, investing, etc.) and since 'right to speech' is an inviolate right, then so is your money. Trump's businesses have been teetering for decades. He's based in New York, and the current attorney general there is putting that together.

As for Robert Mercer, I've read about him for years. He's often described as a 'Libertarian', in actuality he's a white nationalist. He funded Breitbart in its original incarnation. They changed a few things once they went more mainstream under Trump. They used to have a column called 'Black Crime' and all it did was list crimes committed by blacks against whites. Steve Bannon was in charge at that time. Ben Shapiro came out of the Breitbart camp as well.

He also funds people like Jared Taylor. He's been pretty much de-platformed but his views could fit into Nazi ideology.

These groups play little games. They will be complimentary to Asians (northern Asians - Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, not SE Asians), Indians and Jews but in reality if they had their own nation, they would all either be excluded or have to accept permanent 2nd class existence. They will play 'word games' when asked a question.

"Do you believe blacks are inferior"

"Well, I think Asians , Israelis/Jews and sub continent Indians are more intelligent than Whites and I think African Americans are more intelligent than native Africans".

You get the inference.

As for the UK, what I know could fit in a thimble and this is more question than statement. Isn't New Labour from the 90s akin to the Democratic party shift under Bill Clinton? Abandoning support for trade unions, etc, to some extent and moving closer to the center? Original intent but now have very progressive wings that will make great pains to refer to you by your proper pronoun. Not sure if that is so.

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The best analysis I’ve seen on xhakas transformation

https://twitter.com/jj_bull/status/1572 ... fS9mBfNGkA

It’s quite strange. The new formation seems to protect the side from his weaknesses and exploit his strengths. He has a manager that understands him for the first time. He was literally allergic to going in the penalty area under wenger and always used to stop his run forward.

Doesn’t mean he’s amazing now and wasn’t before and neither does it mean he’s always been incredible. Doesn’t always have to be one thing or another.

What certainly is the case is for the first time he’s adding real value and consistency in performance

Thanks for that. Interesting, informative and understandable. Pictures definitely work better for me in explanations.

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Man City are allowed 13.2 fouls before a yellow card.
Man City’s opponents are allowed 5.5 fouls before a yellow card

Arsenal are allowed 6.1 fouls before a yellow card
Arsenal’s opponents are allowed 8.1 fouls before a yellow card.

Small sample size this season so far but these are the same stats every season.


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Seen a line on twitter about Nwaneri and, a former Arsenal coach has said in his 30 years as an Arsenal youth coach Nwaneri makes his all time top 10 talented players at U16 level. He also said another current youth player would make that list.... Myles Lewis-Skelly, I saw a few clips of him as well recently and he is just gliding past players in central midfield.

Nwaneri by all accounts is wanted by every top club in England, no doubt the reason Arsenal have fast tracked him.

The chances of any of them making it to be a regular Arsenal first team player are still slim, but there does seem to be a genuine buzz around some of these lads.


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I’m a cynic but I think there is more to the Nwaneri thing than meets the eye.

Playing him seems weird. They could have brought on any player in that minute rather than a 15 year old

Pure hunch but I think it’s evidence in the event a football tribunal takes place he was held in esteem ie they know he’s going to sign terms with another club before march. See Harvey Elliott


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There are certain sections of the media and pundits who seem to get so riled up by anything Arsenal do, this goes in to overdrive when we’re doing well.
Today I’ve seen the decision to give Nwaneri 5 minutes described as awful and a complete egotistical self indulgent move by Arteta……and I’ve also seen people list reasons why Arsenal can’t sustain a title challenge (no Arsenal fan is saying we’re title challengers)….and one of those reasons is because Jesus is so brilliant - in other words what do we do without him, and we are told Jesus is the difference and it is absolutely nothing to do with Arteta and anything he’s done!

I know many will disagree but it’s out there so often that to me it is clear as day. There is still something about Arsenal that many in the media can’t stand. The only team that comes close is Man U who take plenty of stick when they’re bad but are quickly lauded when they’re good. Liverpool and Spurs are totally idolised by the majority of the media. Man City barely get reported on and Chelsea are a bit up and down.


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There are certain sections of the media and pundits who seem to get so riled up by anything Arsenal do, this goes in to overdrive when we’re doing well.
Today I’ve seen the decision to give Nwaneri 5 minutes described as awful and a complete egotistical self indulgent move by Arteta……and I’ve also seen people list reasons why Arsenal can’t sustain a title challenge (no Arsenal fan is saying we’re title challengers)….and one of those reasons is because Jesus is so brilliant - in other words what do we do without him, and we are told Jesus is the difference and it is absolutely nothing to do with Arteta and anything he’s done!

I know many will disagree but it’s out there so often that to me it is clear as day. There is still something about Arsenal that many in the media can’t stand. The only team that comes close is Man U who take plenty of stick when they’re bad but are quickly lauded when they’re good. Liverpool and Spurs are totally idolised by the majority of the media. Man City barely get reported on and Chelsea are a bit up and down.


Have you considered counselling Rich?

That is the purpose of the forum.

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Have you considered counselling Rich?

That is the purpose of the forum.

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I’m a cynic but I think there is more to the Nwaneri thing than meets the eye.

Playing him seems weird. They could have brought on any player in that minute rather than a 15 year old

Pure hunch but I think it’s evidence in the event a football tribunal takes place he was held in esteem ie they know he’s going to sign terms with another club before march. See Harvey Elliott

If Nwaneri signs for another club on or around his 16th birthday, which is 21st March 2023, will it go to a tribunal to set some compensation for Arsenal? You mention Elliott who Liverpool took from Fulham. Did his case go to a tribunal and Fulham receive compensation?

Was it Rich who said every big club wants to sign Nwaneri? If so, Liverpool are the one I’ve seen reported by journalists. Indeed, I saw somewhere (not sure if it was here or elsewhere) that his dad is a big Liverpool fan making it realistic to assume he might be as well.

I’d imagine any compensation Arsenal receive from Liverpool (or wherever else he goes) will be peanuts. Maybe a hundred grand or two? If so, less than the weekly salary of top players. Myself, rather than doing it to get a few more quid from Liverpool via a tribunal, I think it’s far more likely Arteta brought Nwaneri on as a late sub against Brentford to try and convince him Arsenal is the best club to be at to make his way in the game.


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Post #552478  Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:08 am 
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Off to vegas in a few months so of course it’s the perfect time for our currency to tank itself

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... -ftse-100/

Here’s a calculation for you. Calculate 20% of all the money in your bank account. Now add up all the money you think you’ve spent since 2016 and take 80% off it. Add both numbers together and voila that’s your personal cost of brexit

Wonder how long before the pound falls below the 1 dollar mark


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Post #552479  Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 9:20 am 
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He’s just abolished the top rate of tax.

I’m thousands better off from April.

This is mental. This is just not normal.


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Post #552480  Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2022 11:03 am 
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TOP GUN wrote:
He’s just abolished the top rate of tax.

I’m thousands better off from April.

This is mental. This is just not normal.

They are literally trying to buy votes now. How does this help the poorest in society? Why are we obsessed in this country with the notion of paying tax as being a bad thing? They are burning everything as quickly as they can, regulations, workers rights. They're essentially trying to turn this country into a tax haven, which of course is what they wanted all along with the concept of Brexit.

Don't know if you've been watching The Capture on iPlayer? The second season is very pertinent. Features a company who are using data to infiltrate politics. Clearly based on Cambridge Analytica and their Brexit work. Really good series btw.

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