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john1 · **#401361**

Please, this fine Monday morning, spare a few thoughts for us Liverpool based Gooners (of which there are at least 4 in my own little town).

Not only cars tooting their horns and fireworks at midnight last night, but the messages from Liverpool 'supporters' (who knew? they could have been Evertonians for all the interest they showed until yesterday) and Facebook posts tagging me in from family, friends and acquaintances (who shall henceforth be Facebook blocked), goading me into responding. Ignoring them completely will be my tactic, and carry on as if nothing happened.

I will pray to any gods that Lincoln Gooner and others may suggest, that we pull off the one thing we've all been waiting for for decades; the European Cup/Champions League or whatever they want to call it. That would shut them up. (On the other hand of course, if we don't, more micky taking will take place).

I usually love Liverpool (the city, not the team, but I know others on here don't), but right now.......................

Rich · **#401362**

But for a couple of penalties we could be playing Liverpool in the Champions League semi-final tomorrow. I'm pretty nervous about PSG but the alternative would have been unbearable.

I think its one of the msot evenly poised set of semi finals I can recall in the CL, no clear favourite in either tie and the final will be similar irrespective of who wins through

dec · **#401363**

1979gooner wrote:

Not convinced.

Palmer plays up front and of 14 goals there are 3 penalties. His form for second half of season has been poor. Overall a decent season at best.

Not sure why we're seeing goal comparisons with a midfielder and a winger.

Havertz has 9 in 21 this season which is similar to Palmer for example.

The hype around Palmer is ridiculous. Good young player but massively over rated.

Palmer has played virtually the whole season as an attacking midfielder so comparisons with Ødegaard are valid. Havertz, on the other hand, is our first choice centre forward and should have a lot more goals to his name.

dec · **#401364**

Rich wrote:

dec wrote:

Palmer's form has dipped but he is still in the top 10 PL goalscorers this season with 14 goals. Ødegaard has 2! Martinelli has 7. He's a very talented young player going through a tough spell but still will have had a very good season overall.

Yes, very talented player, but in my view has been praised too highly by the media and his 14 goals are incredibly heavily weighted to the front portion of the season, 11 in 15 and now 3 in 19 in the league. Of course we know Ødegaard and Martinelli haven’t had great seasons but they weren’t put up on a pedestal as the best player in the league. Same as Foden, overly praised when they’re doing well and then silence when the fail.
Palmer’s own manager has said his poor form is ‘mental’ - how has that not been discussed, that’s quite a damning statement.
Questions should be asked whether Palmer can be the man to lift his team when they’re in a tough patch like Bruno Fernandes has done with Man U for example. There is a feeling that Palmer can be man marked out of games. Silence or excises for certain players

There's nothing new in players being over-hyped. Look at Mainoo at the end of last season. But Palmer looks like he's the real deal and I think it is a far more sensible approach to say little when a young player is going through a difficult spell of form, rather than do a hatchet job. He's only finishing his second full season as a regular. In contrast, Bruno is a 30 year old captain of Manchester Utd, so you would clearly expect for more from him and over the years he has put in some truly dire and unprofessional performances.

BTW, I don't even like Palmer, but it's clear that he's a very good player.

dec · **#401365**

Rich wrote:

But for a couple of penalties we could be playing Liverpool in the Champions League semi-final tomorrow. I'm pretty nervous about PSG but the alternative would have been unbearable.

I think its one of the msot evenly poised set of semi finals I can recall in the CL, no clear favourite in either tie and the final will be similar irrespective of who wins through

Barca have almost gone under the radar. Barring a collapse they will win La Liga and they have some serious attacking talent. Madrid's recent dominance seems to have taken some of the spotlight off Barcelona.

Decaf · **#401366**

kiwipete wrote:

Decaf wrote:

Greetings Kiwi. Fair enough. I think some of players definitely had there minds on the CL, and Palace are too decent a side to muck about with.

As I said, I feel some sympathy for Saliba. He hasn't had a break and you can expect some mental tiredness to creep in and affect the concentration. His lapses have nothing to do with his goatee and I'm sure Arteta will know how to handle it.

When the chips are down, Saliba is the guy you want anchoring the back 4.

yeah I know his lapses have nothing to do with his goatee ; I just like to give a full blown nonsensical spray to relieve the frustration of watching someone do something so f&&&%%$$#@@ stupid TWICE in such a short time frame .

I don't buy the mental tiredness hasn't had a break routine ... the guy plays at most two games in a week ; that's say 200 minutes ; that means he's got........ 9,880 minutes to recover .
He has all the best modern aids to help him recuperate ..... physio , masseurs , gym instructors , sports psychologists , spa baths .

He should be in peak condition every time if not don't play . He cost us two points .

Anyway got a tip for you from the Home Handyman's Health Corner .

My avocado tree doesn't produce fruit [ it grew from a seed / stone ] but suddenly had a revelation when looking at the lush foliage ...wonder if the leaves are edible . ?

Check on the Internet ... they are the bees knees ... contain a powerful antioxidant called Quercetin as well as host of other good stuff
Chucked about fifteen leaves into the blender along with a couple of oranges , a carrot , Comfrey / nasturtium , dandelion leaves make a green smoothie ...

Hopefully zipping around the internals dealing to any free radicals , viruses and germs .

Thanks for the tip! We also have a non-productive one--its a bit too cool in the Eastern Cape.

But do take care. I did a quick internet search and it appears that some varieties may be toxic, so you need to check before guzzling them.

We had several varieties of avocado tree growing in our garden in Harare when I was growing up. The trees were great for climbing and bore abundant fruit. But I never heard of anyone eating the leaves.

DHD · **#401367**

kiwipete wrote:

Hopefully zipping around the internals dealing to any free radicals , viruses and germs .

...or maybe zipping to the khazi while blowing chunks.

DHD · **#401368**

https://www.arsenal.com/news/u18s-highlights-arsenal-4-0-reading

Not sure if anyone has posted this but it's the latest episode of the Max Dowman show. He scores 4 in this one. In particular, watch his first goal; weirdly, he looks like a man amongst boys - just runs through Reading.

Captain of the U18s, he won't be 16 until Dec 31st.

Parkerknoll Gooner · **#401369**

I have everything crossed that we can navigate our way past PSG and so want us to get Barcelona in the final, we owe them a proper doing. By some perverse planning by my other half I will be travelling back from Porto when we kick off tomorrow, by all that is God given and righteous please have good news for me on landing.

Decaf · **#401370**

DHD wrote:

kiwipete wrote:

Hopefully zipping around the internals dealing to any free radicals , viruses and germs .

...or maybe zipping to the khazi while blowing chunks.

Kiwi's innards have dealt with a lot worse than avocado leaves, I'm sure. They must be pretty pickled :laughing7:

dec · **#401371**

Arsenal v Barcelona in both the men's and women's CL final would be nice. We are half way there.

Rich · **#401372**

dec wrote:

Rich wrote:

Yes, very talented player, but in my view has been praised too highly by the media and his 14 goals are incredibly heavily weighted to the front portion of the season, 11 in 15 and now 3 in 19 in the league. Of course we know Ødegaard and Martinelli haven’t had great seasons but they weren’t put up on a pedestal as the best player in the league. Same as Foden, overly praised when they’re doing well and then silence when the fail.
Palmer’s own manager has said his poor form is ‘mental’ - how has that not been discussed, that’s quite a damning statement.
Questions should be asked whether Palmer can be the man to lift his team when they’re in a tough patch like Bruno Fernandes has done with Man U for example. There is a feeling that Palmer can be man marked out of games. Silence or excises for certain players

There's nothing new in players being over-hyped. Look at Mainoo at the end of last season. But Palmer looks like he's the real deal and I think it is a far more sensible approach to say little when a young player is going through a difficult spell of form, rather than do a hatchet job. He's only finishing his second full season as a regular. In contrast, Bruno is a 30 year old captain of Manchester Utd, so you would clearly expect for more from him and over the years he has put in some truly dire and unprofessional performances.

BTW, I don't even like Palmer, but it's clear that he's a very good player.

I agree he's a very good player, my issue is not with Palmer himself, its with the over the top praise he and others similar to him have received and the lack of criticism received in contrast to this when they are performing very poorly. We've had pundits claim Palmer as the best player in the league. Gary Neville said England should build their entire team around Foden.
High profile players will likely get more praise when they play well, particularly ones in the england team but then it should follow that the criticism should be louder

Ash · **#401373**

DHD wrote:

https://www.arsenal.com/news/u18s-highlights-arsenal-4-0-reading

Not sure if anyone has posted this but it's the latest episode of the Max Dowman show. He scores 4 in this one. In particular, watch his first goal; weirdly, he looks like a man amongst boys - just runs through Reading.

Captain of the U18s, he won't be 16 until Dec 31st.

There are performances akin to this in youth levels but not again and again 2/3 years above your age group. Truly something special.

I’d be tempted to try to mould him into a striker in the Luis Suarez/Cunha mould. Number 10s are so common atm in the England set up and across the club, but goals are golden. I know Ødegaard is misfiring but Ethan is coming through. Dowman’s single mindedness in scoring, the early hits and finding bottom corners so often is pretty impressive.

I know we seem to be heading towards bigger target men, but I’m sure if for example we found a player like Suarez in his prime you could adapt the team around that. For example if Jesus kept or improved his incredible form from the first 6 months we’d look a different team right now. That version of Jesus (with improved finishing needed) would be awesome in this team, and the taller left 8 that Mikel wanted makes sense.

He’s still so young though, when do we realistically see him getting even the minutes Nwaneri has been getting? Still be 15 years old in September :icon_eek1:

bounce between first team and u21s?

Ash · **#401374**

Rich wrote:

dec wrote:

There's nothing new in players being over-hyped. Look at Mainoo at the end of last season. But Palmer looks like he's the real deal and I think it is a far more sensible approach to say little when a young player is going through a difficult spell of form, rather than do a hatchet job. He's only finishing his second full season as a regular. In contrast, Bruno is a 30 year old captain of Manchester Utd, so you would clearly expect for more from him and over the years he has put in some truly dire and unprofessional performances.

BTW, I don't even like Palmer, but it's clear that he's a very good player.

I agree he's a very good player, my issue is not with Palmer himself, its with the over the top praise he and others similar to him have received and the lack of criticism received in contrast to this when they are performing very poorly. We've had pundits claim Palmer as the best player in the league. Gary Neville said England should build their entire team around Foden.
High profile players will likely get more praise when they play well, particularly ones in the england team but then it should follow that the criticism should be louder

To me the England set up is begging for Bellingham to play deeper. A midfield 3 of Wharton Rice and Bellingham seems ideal to play proper number 10s in front of them or wingers or whatever.

1979gooner · **#401375**

Sorry, that's just not true, Palmer has played as a forward for Chelsea, he has not played as a midfielder

dec · **#401376**

1979gooner wrote:

Sorry, that's just not true, Palmer has played as a forward for Chelsea, he has not played as a midfielder

He has played virtually this entire season as an attacking midfielder. They have Jackson up front with Madueke/Neto/Sancho on the wings. Palmer is the attacking midfielder behind them. Same role as Szoboszlai plays for Liverpool.

1979gooner · **#401377**

His position is nothing like Ødegaard's. That comparison is nowhere near.

Palmer plays far more like a no10/inside forward

He virtually never drops deep beyond half way line as Ødegaard does

Rich · **#401378**

Line breaking passes in La Liga.
Pedro is top class but Zubimendi is 2nd on the list surrounded by players from the big 2.

If we sign him I really hope he can help unlock Ødegaard further up the pitch as Zubimendi has the capability to dictate from deep. He’s more Jorginho than Partey, but Rice can make up the tackling, ground coverage and mobility.

dec · **#401379**

1979gooner wrote:

His position is nothing like Ødegaard's. That comparison is nowhere near.

Palmer plays far more like a no10/inside forward

He virtually never drops deep beyond half way line as Ødegaard does

Of course they are comparable. Palmer is Chelsea's primary attacking midfielder and Ødegaard is ours.

TOP GUN · **#401380**

dec wrote:

1979gooner wrote:

His position is nothing like Ødegaard's. That comparison is nowhere near.

Palmer plays far more like a no10/inside forward

He virtually never drops deep beyond half way line as Ødegaard does

Of course they are comparable. Palmer is Chelsea's primary attacking midfielder and Ødegaard is ours.

79 is right. We play with 2x 8s.

Chelsea play Lavia and Fernandez in front of the back 4 and he almost has the freedom of the park. That would be like us playing Jorginho and Partey in the same side and saying Ødegaard can do what he wants.

kiwipete · **#401381**

Decaf wrote:

kiwipete wrote:

My avocado tree doesn't produce fruit [ it grew from a seed / stone ] but suddenly had a revelation when looking at the lush foliage ...wonder if the leaves are edible . ?

Check on the Internet ... they are the bees knees ... contain a powerful antioxidant called Quercetin as well as host of other good stuff to make a green smoothie ...

Hopefully zipping around the internals dealing to any free radicals , viruses and germs .

Thanks for the tip! We also have a non-productive one--its a bit too cool in the Eastern Cape.

But do take care. I did a quick internet search and it appears that some varieties may be toxic, so you need to check before guzzling them.

We had several varieties of avocado tree growing in our garden in Harare when I was growing up. The trees were great for climbing and bore abundant fruit. But I never heard of anyone eating the leaves.

May well be the case on some toxicity but I'm always a bit leery of those claims .

Anytime health benefits are broadcast for some plant , a drug company rushes the plant into a laboratory .... isolates some toxic part , feeds that portion to some rats then trumpets to the universe how all the rat's experienced liver failure .

No way in the world drug companies want you to be healthy ; it's like a panel beater not wanting anymore car crashes .

Where would Pfizer Roche , Johnson & Johnson be if they allow the narrative , eating two cabbage leaves a day cures cancer , half a dozen field daisies fixes depression ....?

kiwipete · **#401382**

DHD wrote:

kiwipete wrote:

Hopefully zipping around the internals dealing to any free radicals , viruses and germs .

...or maybe zipping to the khazi while blowing chunks.

Indeed DH ....
I'd be lying if I denied that can be the case ... taking in that much fibre in a liquid form does need ; let's say some re- adjustment

...... but then again , a bit of high speed rail through the bowels can have benefits .

A lot of the maladies in middle / old age can be the result of clogged / sluggish pipework .

Bored · **#401383**

Only 12 hours and 12 mins until kick off……..not that I’m counting

Decaf · **#401384**

kiwipete wrote:

Decaf wrote:

Thanks for the tip! We also have a non-productive one--its a bit too cool in the Eastern Cape.

But do take care. I did a quick internet search and it appears that some varieties may be toxic, so you need to check before guzzling them.

We had several varieties of avocado tree growing in our garden in Harare when I was growing up. The trees were great for climbing and bore abundant fruit. But I never heard of anyone eating the leaves.

May well be the case on some toxicity but I'm always a bit leery of those claims .

Anytime health benefits are broadcast for some plant , a drug company rushes the plant into a laboratory .... isolates some toxic part , feeds that portion to some rats then trumpets to the universe how all the rat's experienced liver failure .

No way in the world drug companies want you to be healthy ; it's like a panel beater not wanting anymore car crashes .

Where would Pfizer Roche , Johnson & Johnson be if they allow the narrative , eating two cabbage leaves a day cures cancer , half a dozen field daisies fixes depression ....?

You sound like RFK jr!

Thank goodness we still require doctors to pass exams!

TOP GUN · **#401385**

DHD wrote:

https://www.arsenal.com/news/u18s-highlights-arsenal-4-0-reading

Not sure if anyone has posted this but it's the latest episode of the Max Dowman show. He scores 4 in this one. In particular, watch his first goal; weirdly, he looks like a man amongst boys - just runs through Reading.

Captain of the U18s, he won't be 16 until Dec 31st.

That’s absolutely nuts. Imagine what he’s going to be like at 18 in 3 years time

Gunfire · **#401386**

Bored wrote:

Only 12 hours and 12 mins until kick off……..not that I’m counting

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