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Virginia went blue--contrary to your map. It does reinforce the point, though.
What is the point? That educated people's vote has a greater value?

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Would you take a double domestic cup win but 4th in the league and KO of the CL in the QF?
If the answer is yes would you take the same scenario but 5th in the league and no Champions League next year?

Answer to first is yes. Answer to second, probably not.

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I think the biggest danger Arteta faces isn’t the ire of the fans, but whether the players are losing their ‘trust in the process’.

Missing out on CL next year, to address the question Rich asked, would surely start some like Saliba or Ødegaard to think about what they’re missing out on. Not to mention, dare I say it, Saka.

Its a big fear if we drop our level. But yet when Liverpool finished 5th not one of their players who won the title 3 seasons prior jumped ship.

Slot has done really well at Liverpool but people forget that this team threw the title away last year far more than Arsenal ever did, we put up the fight when Liverpool crumbled. They also have a hugely settled squad with the backbone of title and CL winners still there. And possibly the biggest difference is they have one of the top 5 players to ever play in the prem right now in Salah. City with Haaland also, these are top class match winners who can turn a drab performance in to an easy win with moments of individual brilliance, we don't have that absolute world level superstar match winner yet. Which makes it all the more wonder how we've kept pace with City and beaten Liverpool these past 2 seasons.

On one hand pundits and rival fans tell us we have to win the league or are expected to win the league, but on the other they tell us we're missing a proper striker and have no cover for our best players. As always the right answer is in the middle, but that doesn't suit click bait engagement

Didn’t you answer the quandary in the first para. They had previously won the league. They believed they could rise again. Totally different to our situation.

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I also doubt there is such a thing as a 'working class' anymore. I don't think there ever was in the US.

A working class would have organic working class politics and leaders. Republicans peddling insincere populist and ultraNationalist policies just doesn't quite fit the profile for me. If you want to frame it in Marxist terms, it is more a Bonapartist/Caesarist--lumpenproletarian formation.

If there is a lesson, it is that the internet and social media have killed the independent media, and replaced it with echo-chambers, and platforms for billionaire to protect their interests and pollute public option with their worldviews. I don't know if that qualifies as a lesson, any more that finding out you have terminal disease is a lesson. :laughing7: :laughing7:
Marxists, like todays hyper-globalists, always struggle with the reality that people are nationalistic or patriotic. It doesn't conform to their utopian belief that a world without physical, social or cultural boundaries or differences is somehow better. It also offends their idea of how people should think. Internationalism good, nationalism or patriotism bad. As for the legacy and mainstream media, they are killing themselves with their bias, misinformation and denial of what is really happening in the world. If social media is nothing but an echo chamber (which it is not) at least it has the virtue of many voices having a chance to have their say.

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I also doubt there is such a thing as a 'working class' anymore. I don't think there ever was in the US.

A working class would have organic working class politics and leaders. Republicans peddling insincere populist and ultraNationalist policies just doesn't quite fit the profile for me. If you want to frame it in Marxist terms, it is more a Bonapartist/Caesarist--lumpenproletarian formation.

If there is a lesson, it is that the internet and social media have killed the independent media, and replaced it with echo-chambers, and platforms for billionaire to protect their interests and pollute public option with their worldviews. I don't know if that qualifies as a lesson, any more that finding out you have terminal disease is a lesson. :laughing7: :laughing7:
Marxists, like todays hyper-globalists, always struggle with the reality that people are nationalistic or patriotic. It doesn't conform to their utopian belief that a world without physical, social or cultural boundaries or differences is somehow better. It also offends their idea of how people should think. Internationalism good, nationalism or patriotism bad. As for the legacy and mainstream media, they are killing themselves with their bias, misinformation and denial of what is really happening in the world. If social media is nothing but an echo chamber (which it is not) at least it has the virtue of many voices having a chance to have their say.

I'm a well travelled geezer but do you know what demographic of person I have never encountered ? A British Marxist. I've met all sorts of folks , different religions, politics and ethnicities. I even met a gay midget once and we had a night out with some of my mates. " Dont fancy my chances of pulling tonight " He said. He was sound.

However a British marxist? nah. I'm not saying they don't exist (they do) just that I've never met one. I have met a whole bunch of largely conservative types who are fed up with overpriced Public transport, utlities and insufficient Healthcare but not one single bonafide marxist.

On the media I totally agree. Trevor McDonald should be on the news at ten screaming "I HATE IMMIGRANTS *%^@ THE GLOBALISTS!" every night so its great now we have new media figures like Joe Rogan, Patrick Bet David, James English and Douglas Murray who can provide obviously impartial political analysis on these issues whilst covering other important topics like "Do Aliens Exist!" and "whatever happened to the lost city of Atlantis !!"


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There are no lessons here. It’s not a victory of bewildering strategy success. You present people 2 choices and if one is the present choice that they aren’t happy with that they choose option B. It really is that simple. Elite consensus, he literally is the elite.

There are no lessons here only cycles and the next cycle in the UK will turn in 2029. Nobody is winning anymore there are only losers arguing amongst themselves. The outcome is irrelevant
The reality in the UK is that at the July election people didn't choose only A or B. Over 42% of those eligible to vote didn't do so at all - no choice made there! And, remarkably, of those who did vote, about 43% went for neither Labour or Tory - the highest ever number of votes were cast outside the traditional two main parties. If you are saying that the cycle will simply return the Tories in 2029 then they are going to have to do something special to lift their vote from the wretched 24% they gained in the summer. It feels to me as if we are heading away from the traditional two-choice politics. As Mr. Zimmerman said, something is happening here and that is what it is.


No normal service will resume in 4 years. The nearest town to me now has a labour MP for the first time in 100 Years. 100 YEARS!. 4 years of 7 oligarch owned newspapers battering Starmer on everything he's doing wrong or even right will result in a return to the normalcy of a tory government. The apparatus of our finance and media society determines this is the case. This only ever changes when something goes drastically wrong like Liz Truss.

Reforms base for the last election consisted of their usual 40% racists and weirdos who probably touch up their own cousins plus 60% new voters who were fed up with the tories but happy to ignore the racists and weirdos who probably touch up their own cousins and vote for Nigel. Won't be the case at the next election

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Doubts over Rice, Merino, Havertz - and Ødegaard only just back fit for 5 minutes v Inter. Calafiori and Tomiyasu still out. Sterling can't play v his parent club

Whatever team Arteta picks I really hope it doesn't have both Trossard and Martinelli in - unless Havertz is injured then I'd be tempted by Trossard as the striker

If all the above are out:
Raya, White, Saliba, Gabriel, Timber, Partey, Ødegaard, Nwaneri, Saka, Martinelli, Trossard - but I'd be very tempted to get Zinchenko and Jorginho in there to give us more technical security


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old man of hoy wrote:
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There are no lessons here. It’s not a victory of bewildering strategy success. You present people 2 choices and if one is the present choice that they aren’t happy with that they choose option B. It really is that simple. Elite consensus, he literally is the elite.

There are no lessons here only cycles and the next cycle in the UK will turn in 2029. Nobody is winning anymore there are only losers arguing amongst themselves. The outcome is irrelevant
The reality in the UK is that at the July election people didn't choose only A or B. Over 42% of those eligible to vote didn't do so at all - no choice made there! And, remarkably, of those who did vote, about 43% went for neither Labour or Tory - the highest ever number of votes were cast outside the traditional two main parties. If you are saying that the cycle will simply return the Tories in 2029 then they are going to have to do something special to lift their vote from the wretched 24% they gained in the summer. It feels to me as if we are heading away from the traditional two-choice politics. As Mr. Zimmerman said, something is happening here and that is what it is.

You are right on one thing - Trump did not have to come up with a bewildering strategy to win so big - his opponents left the field open to him and are astounded when voters then went his way.

The US is totally different though. There are only two parties and there is no scope for a third because the funding required is simply astronomical. You get the odd billionaire such as Ross Perot, who has a go but barely causes a ripple. So if the economy has performed poorly, or in the current case, there has been a period of damaging inflation (caused by a global pandemic and a European war), then the incumbent government will take a hit. In the US, that means the other crowd get in.

So there can be plenty of theories as to how Trump tapped into something or other (the notion that he is not part of the elite establishment is mental. His father was a real estate mogul, whereas Harris is the middle class daughter of two non-white immigrants!) but ultimately it came down to how far the paycheck was going every week.

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Away from home this season we’ve played
Villa, spurs, Atalanta, Man City, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Inter Milan and Chelsea up next (and PNE in the cup)

That’s a staggeringly difficult set of matches. Except Bournemouth, who showed they are no mugs by beating City, every single one of those is a really tough game.


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The US is totally different though. There are only two parties and there is no scope for a third because the funding required is simply astronomical. You get the odd billionaire such as Ross Perot, who has a go but barely causes a ripple. So if the economy has performed poorly, or in the current case, there has been a period of damaging inflation (caused by a global pandemic and a European war), then the incumbent government will take a hit. In the US, that means the other crowd get in.

So there can be plenty of theories as to how Trump tapped into something or other (the notion that he is not part of the elite establishment is mental. His father was a real estate mogul, whereas Harris is the middle class daughter of two non-white immigrants!) but ultimately it came down to how far the paycheck was going every week.
Yes it is different and of course the people's perception of their economic situation will always be a critical factor, though not the only one. Many Americans are patriotic and Trump seems to understand that more than his opponents. However, Trump has never been part of the traditional American political elite, either when a Democrat, Independent or more lately as Republican. Politically he was not taken seriously, even ridiculed. You only have to recall the many Republican feathers he disturbed when he first ran for candidate back in 2016 - the only thing that united his opponents was their considerable disdain for him. Hilary Clinton carried that on and paid the price, as has Harris. From a rich background yes, but not a political dynasty a la Rockefellers, Kennedys, Bushes or Clintons. There is so much to dislike about Trump, but being part of the establishment - surely not?

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I'm a well travelled geezer but do you know what demographic of person I have never encountered ? A British Marxist. I've met all sorts of folks , different religions, politics and ethnicities. I even met a gay midget once and we had a night out with some of my mates. "Dont fancy my chances of pulling tonight " He said. He was sound.

However a British marxist? nah. I'm not saying they don't exist (they do) just that I've never met one. I have met a whole bunch of largely conservative types who are fed up with overpriced Public transport, utlities and insufficient Healthcare but not one single bonafide marxist...
Would I be right in thinking that in your Marco Polo travels you have had little to do with the Labour Party!

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Away from home this season we’ve played
Villa, spurs, Atalanta, Man City, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Inter Milan and Chelsea up next (and PNE in the cup)

That’s a staggeringly difficult set of matches. Except Bournemouth, who showed they are no mugs by beating City, every single one of those is a really tough game.
Agreed - we are in a baddish run, but that happens to most teams sometime in a season. We have a very good squad and will get back on track. Chelsea will be tough, so a draw there is acceptable.

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Here you go:

“Now, I know folks are feeling and experiencing a range of emotions right now,” Harris said. “I get it, but we must accept the results of this election. Earlier today, I spoke with President-elect Trump and congratulated him on his victory. I also told him that we will help him and his team with their transition, and that we will engage in a peaceful transfer of power.”

Stop watching rubbish. Try a comic book, it will do less damage to your mind.


:laughing7: and when was this heartfelt eloquence delivered ..... ?

The next day ... Her supporters waited for hours for some message on the night .
Even CNN and MSNBC news anchors criticised her for her No Show .

What did I say about pre prepared Rent a Mob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN3QP1KSKHQ

:laughing7: :laughing7: I'm surprised there's not some fruitcake in there blaming Trump for failing to prevent Pearl Harbour .

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https://youtu.be/2EmeIJRdurA?si=y9tEMdcl8PX2TlD7

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Pogrom in Amsterdam - shocking scenes.

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Virginia went blue--contrary to your map. It does reinforce the point, though.
What is the point? That educated people's vote has a greater value?

Of course not. I don't think it is undemocratic or elitist to suggest that there has been an element of dumbing-down of politics, not least US politics.

I hope you are right with your more optimistic view. The world seems to have changed so much and I'm struggling to get me head around it all or imagine happy endings :laughing7: :laughing7:

4-1 for us tomorrow.

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I also doubt there is such a thing as a 'working class' anymore. I don't think there ever was in the US.

A working class would have organic working class politics and leaders. Republicans peddling insincere populist and ultraNationalist policies just doesn't quite fit the profile for me. If you want to frame it in Marxist terms, it is more a Bonapartist/Caesarist--lumpenproletarian formation.

If there is a lesson, it is that the internet and social media have killed the independent media, and replaced it with echo-chambers, and platforms for billionaire to protect their interests and pollute public option with their worldviews. I don't know if that qualifies as a lesson, any more that finding out you have terminal disease is a lesson. :laughing7: :laughing7:
Marxists, like todays hyper-globalists, always struggle with the reality that people are nationalistic or patriotic. It doesn't conform to their utopian belief that a world without physical, social or cultural boundaries or differences is somehow better. It also offends their idea of how people should think. Internationalism good, nationalism or patriotism bad. As for the legacy and mainstream media, they are killing themselves with their bias, misinformation and denial of what is really happening in the world. If social media is nothing but an echo chamber (which it is not) at least it has the virtue of many voices having a chance to have their say.

You may be right about Marxists. They really shouldn't entertain such silly ideas (the whole point it to think properly and dialectically rather than get stuck in utopian abstractions like hyper globalisation) but many do.

However, you are also being utopian and simplistic to the extent that you take a 'mainstream media bad--killed itself'/'alterative media good'. I think you'll find that economics was much more responsible for killing mainstream media than its own inherent failings. The mainstream media and public broadcasters also had great virtues in their heyday: trained journalist, fact-checking, a system of ethics, etc. Whereas 'many voice having their say', with the only arbiter being how many clicks or views you get, feels at least a bit like a post-modern nightmare. We need experts to mediate knowledge and information, just like we need experts and specialists to fix our cars and computers for us.

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Cunha at Wolves would fit in to a top 6 team. Very classy player


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Forgot to mention in the Inter game Arteta was lucky not to be sent off, he touched the ball before it had fully gone out of play, he got a yellow, but the rules state he could/should have been sent off.

I don’t think his touchline behaviour is anywhere near to what certain pundits make out, and mostly no worse than many other coaches but this sort of thing really doesn’t help his cause


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Matt O’Riley just put Brighton 2-1 up against City. 89 minutes. He was one I was very interested to see how he would do. Tall goalscoring box to box midfielder who looked a class above anything in the league at Celtic. His highlights are crazy. He got a nasty injury before the season so just back and already making an impact. If we didn’t get Merino he was a punt I wouldn’t have minded.

It’s very early days for Merino and unfortunate that we’ve needed spark more than rigidity whilst he’s come into the team.


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I think we deserved more from the Inter game but we just didn't look like we were going to score despite the majority of possession in the 2nd half.
It's now starting to look like despite havertz's good form at the start of the season we do need to invest in a striker.
Gyokeres looks the real deal and wondering if we have anything planned for January. Because I think that's the best chance of getting him.
I'd rather him than Vlahovic.
Isak would be a strong option but not sure if he's robust enough as his injury record indicates.
Have to say I'm very surprised Jorginho hasn't had much more minutes this season. He has hardly played in the league.
He was selected for a lot of Big games last season and he hardly let us down and was excellent at times. I think Arteta should have used him more.
Tomorrow is massive. Hoping Palmer is out but you just know he'll be fit. This Chelsea is clearly not the Chelsea we thumped 5 0 at home last season. They are a good team now. Not sure we are coming away with 3 points but we cannot afford to lose.
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I think we deserved more from the Inter game but we just didn't look like we were going to score despite the majority of possession in the 2nd half.
It's now starting to look like despite havertz's good form at the start of the season we do need to invest in a striker.
Gyokeres looks the real deal and wondering if we have anything planned for January. Because I think that's the best chance of getting him.
I'd rather him than Vlahovic.
Isak would be a strong option but not sure if he's robust enough as his injury record indicates.
Have to say I'm very surprised Jorginho hasn't had much more minutes this season. He has hardly played in the league.
He was selected for a lot of Big games last season and he hardly let us down and was excellent at times. I think Arteta should have used him more.
Tomorrow is massive. Hoping Palmer is out but you just know he'll be fit. This Chelsea is clearly not the Chelsea we thumped 5 0 at home last season. They are a good team now. Not sure we are coming away with 3 points but we cannot afford to lose.
Get in Brighton!
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Lincoln gooner wrote:
https://youtu.be/2EmeIJRdurA?si=y9tEMdcl8PX2TlD7

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The Spiked podcasts are often illuminating and entertaining. Completely different Heath Robinson presentation style, but I also find History Debunked a good watch. Simon Webb is a one-off, possibly even a treasure, especially when he has cut himself shaving or has a coughing fit. If you haven't seen him, I recommend.

A result against Chelsea and we are back in contention - COYRs.

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Forgot to mention in the Inter game Arteta was lucky not to be sent off, he touched the ball before it had fully gone out of play, he got a yellow, but the rules state he could/should have been sent off.

I don’t think his touchline behaviour is anywhere near to what certain pundits make out, and mostly no worse than many other coaches but this sort of thing really doesn’t help his cause
It was good fun that, and well done ref for being sensible and just issuing the yellow.

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Brighton’s Baleba is a player I really like, just 20, incredibly raw and can be up and down but very talented


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Brighton’s Baleba is a player I really like, just 20, incredibly raw and can be up and down but very talented


Who would be your somewhat realistic top targets from premier league clubs?

Isak seems to be the one Arsenal are keenest on if reporting is to be believed..


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That Fulham attacking midfielder had a very good game today. Forgot his name. We should take a look at him.


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10 points behind Liverpool. We have to win tomorrow.

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That Fulham attacking midfielder had a very good game today. Forgot his name. We should take a look at him.

He would cost too much now.

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Referee assisted Pool are EPL champions elect at the moment

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Interesting how we were absolutely crucified for not beating Bournemouth and Brighton once we went down to 10 men, but City have lost to both with 11 men. Will we see the same scrutiny? Absolutely not because City have a fan base which must be a 10th the size of ours so there is no interaction to be had


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Putting aside refs I can guarantee that the media and pundits will be behind them to win the league in a way they never were for us. They’ll be willing them on whilst they were all cheering City on when we were head to head. Also forgetting that Liverpool lead the league for most of last season and were top with 7 games to go….and choked


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Brighton’s Baleba is a player I really like, just 20, incredibly raw and can be up and down but very talented


Who would be your somewhat realistic top targets from premier league clubs?

Isak seems to be the one Arsenal are keenest on if reporting is to be believed..

By realistic I think we should maybe rule out signing players from big 6 teams, and maybe even add Villa and Newcastle to that. Isak is a possibility but if you’re looking at £100m+ for him and only £50-60m for the likes of Gyokeres and Sesko I think the club will go with the cheaper pair.
Players I really like from the smaller 12 clubs.
Cunha from wolves
Robinson the left back from Fulham
Baleba at CM from Brighton
Mbeumo for RW cover from Brentford - but that’s the hardest position for us to recruit in I think
Kerkez the young left back at Bournemouth
Murillo the CB at Forest - combined toughness with technique and passing
Kudus at West Ham - very good dribbling
Eze at Palace - having a poor season but I like his directness
I wasn’t going to include Villa but I really like Rodgers, he shocked me when we played them with his running power to get away from rice and Partey - just swatted them off. Special player

Od have Guimaraes and Gordon in a heartbeat as well


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Post #394677  Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2024 7:56 am 
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https://youtu.be/QcjSJtO-P2Q?si=oBqTkZ2fWGvTp2y_

50 seconds in to these highlights how on earth does the ref think Watkins has fouled Konate? For me that’s a really good shout for a penalty - at worst it’s a no decision either way because the ref bottles it.


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Post #394678  Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2024 10:13 am 
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I feel the optimism of fans is going to be decided when they see the team sheet today. Is Rice fit? Is Ødegaard fit enough to start? Is Havertz fit after his nasty cut to his head? Will Arteta persist with Trossard as a split false 9? Nwaneri start?(highly improbable)

Chelsea are a strange team, very dangerous with some highly talented individuals going forward, but I don’t think of any of their forward players as being good off the ball and dedicated to tracking back. How much defensive work does Palmer do? Will Madueke and Neto provide cover for the full backs to double up on our wingers? By the way, one of the main reasons doubling up on our wingers is a tactic teams successfully deploy is our full backs don’t push high enough in the attack to support them and make it a 2v2!

Chelsea’s defence can be shaky and if they persist in playing out from the back and we go fully committed to the press we can catch them, but equally if they get through then it’s dangerous leaving our defenders 1v1 against any of their front 4


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Post #394679  Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2024 11:12 am 
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No excuses today. I don’t care if we are away from home we are a better team and should be winning this. Theres players on big money who frankly need to step up here in particular messrs Martinelli, Merino and Rice plus a few others who owe us some performances.

I just don’t think I can deal with another performance where all our football is played in front of their defence.

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Post #394680  Posted: Sun Nov 10, 2024 1:31 pm 
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TOP GUN wrote:
No excuses today. I don’t care if we are away from home we are a better team and should be winning this. Theres players on big money who frankly need to step up here in particular messrs Martinelli, Merino and Rice plus a few others who owe us some performances.

I just don’t think I can deal with another performance where all our football is played in front of their defence.

COYG

I wish I had your confidence TG but I just don't trust us after recent results.
This isn't the Chelsea we hammered last season.
I'd start Odegaaard. We need him badly.


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