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Post #536601  Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 7:12 am 
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I laughed when I saw the Roma result. Good one Jose.

Losing 6-1 to Bodo/Glimt is hilarious, and Jose’s quotes after are all too familiar and the first step in his standard downfall pattern. He said words to the effect of ‘their team has far better players than my second 11 players I played tonight, if I could just pick my best 11 players each game I would. There is a huge gap in quality between my first 11 and their replacements’ haha nice one Jose. Might not even make it to the classic Jose 3rd season meltdown this time

He’s still searching for another Drogba. He must own a large car because just to get his ego in the car would be a difficult task in any standard vehicle.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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Losing 6-1 to Bodo/Glimt is hilarious, and Jose’s quotes after are all too familiar and the first step in his standard downfall pattern. He said words to the effect of ‘their team has far better players than my second 11 players I played tonight, if I could just pick my best 11 players each game I would. There is a huge gap in quality between my first 11 and their replacements’ haha nice one Jose. Might not even make it to the classic Jose 3rd season meltdown this time

He’s still searching for another Drogba. He must own a large car because just to get his ego in the car would be a difficult task in any standard vehicle.

I think his authoritarian angry father style doesn’t cut it with the younger generation of players either. When Jose was at his peak he had players like Terry etc who followed him in to battle and put everything on the line and had the mentality to respond to criticism by playing even better. I think today’s generation of players are different. Not to say they are not mentally elite but I don’t think as many respond to that style of management.


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Saw another interesting point on our lack of a high press, we have a number of players who really suit situations where we’d win the ball high. Pépé, Aubameyang, Martinelli and even Saka and Emile Smith Rowe, these players, particularly the first 3 are finishers more so than playmakers. Get them on the ball in the final third with limited defence in front of them and that’s where they can thrive. Having Pépé 35 yards out in a 2 on 2 or 3 on 3 is where he’s at his best


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He’s still searching for another Drogba. He must own a large car because just to get his ego in the car would be a difficult task in any standard vehicle.

I think his authoritarian angry father style doesn’t cut it with the younger generation of players either. When Jose was at his peak he had players like Terry etc who followed him in to battle and put everything on the line and had the mentality to respond to criticism by playing even better. I think today’s generation of players are different. Not to say they are not mentally elite but I don’t think as many respond to that style of management.

I think you are correct about the modern generation. IMO many think the world owes them rather than actually making themselves grab the opportunities. He is probably not the only manager struggling with his yo motivate the young generation, but he has such an ego he will continue to experience difficulties. That gives me much pleasure however.

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Saw another interesting point on our lack of a high press, we have a number of players who really suit situations where we’d win the ball high. Pépé, Aubameyang, Martinelli and even Saka and Emile Smith Rowe, these players, particularly the first 3 are finishers more so than playmakers. Get them on the ball in the final third with limited defence in front of them and that’s where they can thrive. Having Pépé 35 yards out in a 2 on 2 or 3 on 3 is where he’s at his best

It’s up to Arteta to sort out these problems. It may be a balance problem.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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Saw another interesting point on our lack of a high press, we have a number of players who really suit situations where we’d win the ball high. Pépé, Aubameyang, Martinelli and even Saka and Emile Smith Rowe, these players, particularly the first 3 are finishers more so than playmakers. Get them on the ball in the final third with limited defence in front of them and that’s where they can thrive. Having Pépé 35 yards out in a 2 on 2 or 3 on 3 is where he’s at his best

It’s up to Arteta to sort out these problems. It may be a balance problem.

Absolutely up to him. It’s strange how when Arteta first took charge there was a big emphasis on a high press and playing out from the back. It was a bit disjointed because the players we had didn’t suit it or we weren’t fit enough or well drilled enough. Now Arteta has an entire team he’s signed or renewed contracts for but where has the high press and methodical playing out from the back gone?
For my moneys worth I think the right thing to do was implement the style of play we want to aspire to even if we didn’t or don’t have the right players. Eventually you replace those players with ones who can do what you want and your better existing players are already doing it. This is what Klopp and Pep have both done at Liverpool and City, both had some disastrous results in their first season because the players were unable to execute the plan - but gradually they moved on and things got better.


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I think we missed a trick when Arsene left by not appointing a guy with big experience - Rafa would have been my choice. Emery felt like a gamble and Arteta likewise. I'd like to see a big character in charge - Mancini would do for me, if only for his dress sense.

Mind you over the years our club has often turned to relatively inexperienced or unlikely managers, sometimes with great success - Allison, Whittaker, Mee, George and Arsene - or not - Crayston, Swindin, Wright and Neill.


Might be worth while giving Ten Hag a call.

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It never fails to mae my day seeing Tottenham lose. its double seeing Mourinho lose badly as well. Took a look at Serie A. Roma isn't doing too badly. Sitting 4th.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/italian-serie-a/table

What surprised me looking at the table is Napoli off to a perfect start, 8 games on the trot and The Old Lady off to a fairly bad one by their lofty standards.

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It never fails to mae my day seeing Tottenham lose. its double seeing Mourinho lose badly as well. Took a look at Serie A. Roma isn't doing too badly. Sitting 4th.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/italian-serie-a/table

What surprised me looking at the table is Napoli off to a perfect start, 8 games on the trot and The Old Lady off to a fairly bad one by their lofty standards.

Napoli striker Osimhen is on fire at the moment. I think he is ex-Lille, the man Lille signed to replace Pépé and then sold him on for £70m as well. Fair to say Osimhen has done better than Pépé. I could see a move to a big spending club soon for Osimhen


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Is there a case that with Xhaka out Elneny gives us the best balance in midfield despite maybe being the least talented of the options. He’s the only natural pure defensive midfielder we have. Lokonga and Partey look too similar and AMN is more box to box if he does get a midfield chance.

Does Elneny, however frustrating his sideways passing is, give better balance and allow others - Tierney, the chance to thrive?


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Rich wrote:
Is there a case that with Xhaka out Elneny gives us the best balance in midfield despite maybe being the least talented of the options. He’s the only natural pure defensive midfielder we have. Lokonga and Partey look too similar and AMN is more box to box if he does get a midfield chance.

Does Elneny, however frustrating his sideways passing is, give better balance and allow others - Tierney, the chance to thrive?

One could argue that it is early days, and it is worth persisting with the Ødegaard ESM experiment.

However, I just think it is the wrong setup for the players we have, particularly Partey (who is on a hiding to nothing), Aubameyang, Ødegaard, and Pépé.

I would certainly be happy to see Elneny starting tonight.

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Post #536612  Posted: Fri Oct 22, 2021 4:54 pm 
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Rich wrote:
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It’s up to Arteta to sort out these problems. It may be a balance problem.

Absolutely up to him. It’s strange how when Arteta first took charge there was a big emphasis on a high press and playing out from the back. It was a bit disjointed because the players we had didn’t suit it or we weren’t fit enough or well drilled enough. Now Arteta has an entire team he’s signed or renewed contracts for but where has the high press and methodical playing out from the back gone?
For my moneys worth I think the right thing to do was implement the style of play we want to aspire to even if we didn’t or don’t have the right players. Eventually you replace those players with ones who can do what you want and your better existing players are already doing it. This is what Klopp and Pep have both done at Liverpool and City, both had some disastrous results in their first season because the players were unable to execute the plan - but gradually they moved on and things got better.

It's a strange one. I wonder whether trying shoehorn all of Saka, Emile Smith Rowe, Pépé, and Ødegaard in to the team is the problem.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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I think his authoritarian angry father style doesn’t cut it with the younger generation of players either. When Jose was at his peak he had players like Terry etc who followed him in to battle and put everything on the line and had the mentality to respond to criticism by playing even better. I think today’s generation of players are different. Not to say they are not mentally elite but I don’t think as many respond to that style of management.

I think you are correct about the modern generation. IMO many think the world owes them rather than actually making themselves grab the opportunities. He is probably not the only manager struggling with his yo motivate the young generation, but he has such an ego he will continue to experience difficulties. That gives me much pleasure however.

I think it is much to do with his style of football. The game has moved on.

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Rich wrote:
Arteta has this worrying trend of emptying the midfield and leaving Partey in their alone. He did it in one of our biggest games last year v Villarreal and the illustration below shows the average positions in our home loss to Leicester last year - a horrible U shape with absolutely no one patrolling the middle of the park.

I've put up 2 more team shape images, one which I think we tried to deploy vs Palace - again Partey in the middle but Emile Smith Rowe and Ødegaard not central or deep enough to help him - and showing the vacant midfield area. The second is more like the shape we played against Spurs (imagine AMN is Xhaka, I just put AMN in there as a possible solution for the next game) It had Emile Smith Rowe and Ødegaard much more central and felt like it almost created a box of 4 players right in the heart of the pitch and we dominated that area. Of course spurs were very poor but this to me seems to be a much better set up for us.

That's extremely interesting rich, and I think you hit the nail on the head.

It's really frustrating that we never seem to be able to play Xhaka and Partey together. But its perhaps worse that plan B seems to be to play such an experimental and risky midfield.

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Ramsdale, Toni, White, Gabriel, Tavares, Lokonga, Partey, Saka, Emile Smith Rowe, Lacazette, Aubameyang

Pleased to see Lacazette get a start after his very good cameo. These things need to be rewarded.

I doubt it is a 4-4-2, it’s probably Aubameyang wide left and Emile Smith Rowe in the 10. If we leave aside the scepticism of Aubameyang working wide left then it’s a much better balance to the team. I like Saka wide right.


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Think this could be a good game for the neutrals, quite unpredictable. Villa have a lot of firepower, hard to see us keeping a clean sheet, so let's go for the jugular from the off. Pleased to see Lacazette starting.


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Ref hasn't got the balls to give a red card in the first 30 seconds. Yellow is probably right but that is a deliberate petulant kick on Gabriel by Watkins


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Good to see the ref give the yellow to Watkins even though it was the first minute.


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Good inclusion of Lacazette
Good omission of both Ødegaard & Pépé
Odd omission of Tierney

Hope Saka comes down to help Tomiyasu more today.

Just heard, Tierney injured

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Looks like it is a proper 4-4-2.


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chance for Aubameyang and Saka. great through ball from Partey to Saka. Auab kind of fluffs the overhead. Decent chance


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Tavares looks like a monster of an athlete.


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Nice from Tavares. Big and strong and shrugs villa off the ball, goes on his own and blazes over from a tight angle.


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Good intensity from the start.


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Ben white with a 60 yard run out of defence beating 5 men


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Aubameyang goal ruled out for a foul by Lacazette tackling their defender in their box. Good tempo from us


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Good positive movements from the team. Keep it up!

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plenty of refs give a yellow for that, Mings leading with the arm in to Lacazettes face


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Nice from Tavares. Big and strong and shrugs villa off the ball, goes on his own and blazes over from a tight angle.



That's what we need. Fast foraging move forward.

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We're not holding back with the challenges today, need to tread the line carefully but nice to see some fight in the team


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Ben white with a 60 yard run out of defence beating 5 men


Again, that's what we need. Fast positive moves forward.

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Lacazette showing great commitment and getting properly stuck in with the challenges.


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I've seen us win more 2nd balls in 15 minutes than we did in 90 vs Palace


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So close! Partey hits the post


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Partey against the bar. Very unlucky.


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ooooh Partey off the post! so unlucky


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Partey unfortunate there

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NGiin absolutely scythes partey down, plays advantage doesn't come back for the booking - so infuriating!


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Lacazette showing great commitment and getting properly stuck in with the challenges.

Lacazette has that bit of hustle and needle to his game that we often lack.

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