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Post #516321  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:13 am 
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Saka is the only person in the entire squad who has the ability for the brilliant pass or dribble. The best since Fabergas with those killer defence splitting pass. Özil was capable at times but didn’t have players with him, other than Alexis who could understand.
Yes, Saka has that bit of magic in his game and Ceballos can surprise too. Bellerin and Tierney are not regulation and what Aubemeyang does so often is creative - he rarely taps them into the net.

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What might be equally telling is the reason for signing him up on loan, which is something we don’t know. Could feasibly be linked to finance. What it surely has to say though is that Arteta must have wanted Ceballos this season because if he didn’t, I simply can’t imagine we’d have taken him back.

If we are signing players for 50 or 60 million quid in his position when he would cost half that it can’t be an issue of finance can it.

Are we signing anyone for £50-£60m? Perhaps Real Madrid weren’t willing to lose him permanently?


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Creative players are what makes football fun. It’s that simple really.

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Post #516324  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:19 am 
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Hoping for a good performance. But no matter what we will always have 1989. Just watched the highlights of the last few minutes again. To save time can someone tell our US poster what actually happened that season.

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Post #516325  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:23 am 
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Just read that we have not had a top 6 away win in 5 years. Can't be true, can it? Hmmm....I fear it is.
Dion't forget we did the double over Leicester in their title year.

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Post #516326  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:29 am 
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Sine Pep took over City he's spent £410m on defenders. It is still early days but Gabriel at £25m looks good business up against that lot
Rúben Dias: £65m
João Cancelo: £58.5m
Aymeric Laporte: £58.5m
Benjamin Mendy: £52m
John Stones: £50m
Kyle Walker: £47m
Nathan Aké: £41m
Danilo: £27m
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Just read that we have not had a top 6 away win in 5 years. Can't be true, can it? Hmmm....I fear it is.

'just read'....? it is a stat that has been shouted by every media outlet for every big Arsenal away game for the last 5 years. I expect even non Arsenal fans can tell you the last time we managed to do it and the facts of the Cazorla/Coq masterclass that day


LOL... I've not read it in the media. Not saying it wasn't widely written about, I never noticed it. Took my surprise when I read it but it makes sense seeing how badly we have been over the last few years. I thought we would have snuck a win in there somewhere. Maybe I'm thinking of cups or something. Anyway, let's end that.

I do recall both Chelsea and Tottenham not beating us for a few years home or away. I thought they had us once till Kanu worked his magic. That impossible angle goal was sublime.

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Even when we were owned them in the league, WHL was scary to me because we had never lost to them when I became a fan. So, add WHL to the list.
Don't get me wrong, Anfield was scary but OT kept me up the night before as well as the Bridge as a close second shading WHL by a whisker.

I assume to the players Anfield was up there with OT. But as for this fan, it was below OT and the 2 major London derbies.

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old man of hoy wrote:
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Just read that we have not had a top 6 away win in 5 years. Can't be true, can it? Hmmm....I fear it is.
Dion't forget we did the double over Leicester in their title year.

Yes, that will go down in the annals of Arsenal lore...lol. Didn't a Tevez led West Ham do the double over Man Utd and almost everyone in the top 4 or something like that one season?

(PS: My autocorrect was taking the proverbial piss as you all say and I caught it right before hitting the send button and changed it to 'annals'...then again we do say Up the ARSEnal)

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Post #516330  Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:14 am 
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Bernard wrote:
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If we are signing players for 50 or 60 million quid in his position when he would cost half that it can’t be an issue of finance can it.

Are we signing anyone for £50-£60m? Perhaps Real Madrid weren’t willing to lose him permanently?


Well we offered 38 million for Aour that Aulas said he rejected so far.

Yes he’s surplus to requirements at Madrid.


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Somebody not on AGs blocked list (if there are any left) might want to inform him that Mustafi is close to joining Lazio, according to reports in Italy.


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Well we offered 38 million for Aour that Aulas said he rejected so far.

Yes he’s surplus to requirements at Madrid.

That does not mean we’ll be paying £50-£60m for anyone.

This season maybe Ceballos isn’t needed at Real. But isn’t a possible explanation for that a personality clash between him and Zidane? If it’s down to that, maybe they think he’s worth keeping him in case Zidane goes next summer? Also, they presumably can’t be that keen on getting rid of Ceballos. If they were, all they have to do is drop the price low enough to make someone willing to sign him.

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Rich wrote:
Sine Pep took over City he's spent £410m on defenders. It is still early days but Gabriel at £25m looks good business up against that lot
Rúben Dias: £65m
João Cancelo: £58.5m
Aymeric Laporte: £58.5m
Benjamin Mendy: £52m
John Stones: £50m
Kyle Walker: £47m
Nathan Aké: £41m
Danilo: £27m
Angelino: £11m

Have to say, as good a manager as Guardiola obviously is, that is shockingly poor considering they still have a lot of question marks concering their back four.


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Bernard wrote:
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Well we offered 38 million for Aour that Aulas said he rejected so far.

Yes he’s surplus to requirements at Madrid.

Also, they presumably can’t be that keen on getting rid of Ceballos. If they were, all they have to do is drop the price low enough to make someone willing to sign him.



They haven’t loaned him out for 2 consecutive years because they see him as a transformational midfielder have they.


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They haven’t loaned him out for 2 consecutive years because they see him as a transformational midfielder have they.

Well they’ve chosen not to drop the price low enough to permanently sell him.


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Bernard wrote:
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They haven’t loaned him out for 2 consecutive years because they see him as a transformational midfielder have they.

Well they’ve chosen not to drop the price low enough to permanently sell him.


From our point of view, whilst he was very good for the last 10 games, he had one standout performance before that in the Burnley game. There still might be some legitimate question marks from our side if there's a significant outlay. For a low fee I think we'd take him in a heartbeat but clearly that's not on the table. Whilst I like him and am glad we've got him again, I think he's still got a point to prove to me that he's first first choice in what we're aspiring to be i.e really challenging for the title.


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Well we offered 38 million for Aour that Aulas said he rejected so far.

Yes he’s surplus to requirements at Madrid.

Rumoured next bid coming after the Liverpool game, 40 million euros plus 10 million euros in add ons.

We should be able to raise 40 million from sales - could be an interesting final week of the transfer window. I bet there will be a few surprises, some big teams taking some desperate gambles or loans. That is partly due to the window closing after the season starts, so some teams will be under pressure to act in the market.

Heard Spurs want to sign Christian Benteke.....


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My opinion on Aouar is also based on very limited viewings, where my impression has been that he's more of a dribbler than a passer, operation a little deeper than the classic playmaking number 10. For all I know Arteta may use him in a completely different manner, he doesn't seem like the type of manager to buy a player without a plan for him.

Yes, he looks a player who could be fantastic at helping us play through the press. That can lead to situations further up the pitch obviously so such a player would not have great assist stats or even necessarily the greatest pass completions stats. However, for a player to do that they have to be very, very good at not turning over possession.

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Going to manage my expectations tonight. As of this writing, I'd "loooove it, just loooove it" if we left with a draw. If we lose, as long as we make it respectable, like a hard fought 2-1 game. I'd rather not lose 1-0. I want us to score.
Just make a good account of ourselves.

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Ledley King doesn't look happy...didn't like Henry's statement...haha

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Well they’ve chosen not to drop the price low enough to permanently sell him.

From our point of view, whilst he was very good for the last 10 games, he had one standout performance before that in the Burnley game. There still might be some legitimate question marks from our side if there's a significant outlay. For a low fee I think we'd take him in a heartbeat but clearly that's not on the table. Whilst I like him and am glad we've got him again, I think he's still got a point to prove to me that he's first first choice in what we're aspiring to be i.e really challenging for the title.

Personally I think you’re being over-harsh. Jesus wept, he probably had about as many good games as Martinez and look at the reaction by some to him leaving. I think you’ve got to remember that a slow start to the Premier League by overseas players, which Ceballos is, is hardly rare. My guess is many fans would see our best ever players as Henry and Bergkamp. Neither took off from the start. Some may say they began their Arsenal careers looking a bit underwhelming. I’m not saying Ceballos will ever be comparable to either of them, but I’m just trying to show why I think you’re being very harsh, and from that over-harsh, on him.


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Bernard wrote:
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From our point of view, whilst he was very good for the last 10 games, he had one standout performance before that in the Burnley game. There still might be some legitimate question marks from our side if there's a significant outlay. For a low fee I think we'd take him in a heartbeat but clearly that's not on the table. Whilst I like him and am glad we've got him again, I think he's still got a point to prove to me that he's first first choice in what we're aspiring to be i.e really challenging for the title.

Personally I think you’re being over-harsh. Jesus wept, he probably had about as many good games as Martinez and look at the reaction by some to him leaving. I think you’ve got to remember that a slow start to the Premier League by overseas players, which Ceballos is, is hardly rare. My guess is many fans would see our best ever players as Henry and Bergkamp. Neither took off from the start. Some may say they began their Arsenal careers looking a bit underwhelming. I’m not saying Ceballos will ever be comparable to either of them, but I’m just trying to show why I think you’re being very harsh, and from that over-harsh, on him.

Add in to that the correlation between Arteta becoming manager, asking for more from Ceballos in training and then Ceballos starting to deliver consistently on the pitch.


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Ash wrote:
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Well they’ve chosen not to drop the price low enough to permanently sell him.


From our point of view, whilst he was very good for the last 10 games, he had one standout performance before that in the Burnley game. There still might be some legitimate question marks from our side if there's a significant outlay. For a low fee I think we'd take him in a heartbeat but clearly that's not on the table. Whilst I like him and am glad we've got him again, I think he's still got a point to prove to me that he's first first choice in what we're aspiring to be i.e really challenging for the title.


Decent assessment Ash.

He’s a decent player and moves the ball well but apart from a few pirouettes he isn’t creating much and isn’t a goal threat. I can understand why the club are seeking to spend elsewhere and were unable to commit to the fee.

We need a big game from him tonight.


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Bernard wrote:
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From our point of view, whilst he was very good for the last 10 games, he had one standout performance before that in the Burnley game. There still might be some legitimate question marks from our side if there's a significant outlay. For a low fee I think we'd take him in a heartbeat but clearly that's not on the table. Whilst I like him and am glad we've got him again, I think he's still got a point to prove to me that he's first first choice in what we're aspiring to be i.e really challenging for the title.

Personally I think you’re being over-harsh. Jesus wept, he probably had about as many good games as Martinez and look at the reaction by some to him leaving. I think you’ve got to remember that a slow start to the Premier League by overseas players, which Ceballos is, is hardly rare. My guess is many fans would see our best ever players as Henry and Bergkamp. Neither took off from the start. Some may say they began their Arsenal careers looking a bit underwhelming. I’m not saying Ceballos will ever be comparable to either of them, but I’m just trying to show why I think you’re being very harsh, and from that over-harsh, on him.


Pires stank the place out before he got going.

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Hmmmn Ceballos dropped for El Nenny

Doesn’t seem to trust him in the big games.


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Personally I think you’re being over-harsh. Jesus wept, he probably had about as many good games as Martinez and look at the reaction by some to him leaving. I think you’ve got to remember that a slow start to the Premier League by overseas players, which Ceballos is, is hardly rare. My guess is many fans would see our best ever players as Henry and Bergkamp. Neither took off from the start. Some may say they began their Arsenal careers looking a bit underwhelming. I’m not saying Ceballos will ever be comparable to either of them, but I’m just trying to show why I think you’re being very harsh, and from that over-harsh, on him.


Pires stank the place out before he got going.


A complete over statement if ever there was one. He scored 8 goals and provided 9 assists in his first season and while he did look lightweight and unsure at times you could see his talent beneath the surface


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Personally I think you’re being over-harsh. Jesus wept, he probably had about as many good games as Martinez and look at the reaction by some to him leaving. I think you’ve got to remember that a slow start to the Premier League by overseas players, which Ceballos is, is hardly rare. My guess is many fans would see our best ever players as Henry and Bergkamp. Neither took off from the start. Some may say they began their Arsenal careers looking a bit underwhelming. I’m not saying Ceballos will ever be comparable to either of them, but I’m just trying to show why I think you’re being very harsh, and from that over-harsh, on him.


Pires stank the place out before he got going.


Sure, and I can’t really remember but I’m sure I would have had similar questions until he, very emphatically, answered them all. That’s all I’m saying about Ceballos. I personally still have a bit to decide whether he’s a title winning quality player.

Bernard I have no idea why you think I’m being harsh let alone ‘very harsh’ or even ‘over harsh’, I said he played well after the break. I’m just still withholding judgment about whether he’s “Top top” quality from his performances over last season. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he answered that well, but like lots said about Martinez I’d want a larger sample size if games from him at that level.


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Martinez just made a howler but the goal was chalked off for an earlier foul on var review. The life of a gk. it’ll be forgotten. Make your mistakes and don’t concede or make them and your team still wins, makes a big difference in the luck and life of gk’s


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1Leno
16Holding
23David Luiz
3Tierney
2Bellerín
25Elneny
34Xhaka
15Maitland-Niles
12Willian
9Lacazette
14Aubameyang

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6dos Santos Magalhães
7Saka
8Ceballos
13Rúnarsson
19Pépé
30Nketiah
31Kolasinac

Great outfield team. Wingbacks and a solid defence. Was this the FA Cup team, I can't remember.


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Martinez just made a howler but the goal was chalked off for an earlier foul on var review. The life of a gk. it’ll be forgotten. Make your mistakes and don’t concede or make them and your team still wins, makes a big difference in the luck and life of gk’s


Tell me about it.

In Lenos case he doesn’t even have to make the mistake to get the blame as our fans chalk up imaginary missed crosses and invisible missed free kicks to deride him.


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Comparisons between Pires and Ceballos dont add up at all for me. Pires was 26/27 when he joined and was a World Cup and European Championships winner. There was no doubt whatsoever about his talent.

Ceballos is a young player who has done very little yet. I hope he develops into a fine player for us, but he is at a totally different level from what Pires was when we signed him.

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Wrong trophy closer to the Community Shield team against Liverpool.

Willian and Lacazette in place of Eddie and Saka.

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can’t help but think you have to find a way to accommodate Saka in the starting line up. His footballing brain in the final third is a massive boost


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Need to ride out the pressure here early on.


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Mane shot, luckily straight at Leno, a foot either side and Leno wouldn't have seen it. Under a lot of early pressure


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deflected shot hits the bar for them. lucky for us but would have been a very lucky goal


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Total onslaught.

Can’t get a little toe in the game let alone a foot

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How the *%^@ are we 1-0 up.


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Lacazette!!!!


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First chance we get to break, we had the balls to play it out from the back moments after messing it up. AMN gets away down the left, lacazette makes the run and it doesn't come to him, Robertson completely messes up the clearance and puts it on a plate for Lacazette who scuffs a bouncing shot over Allison!

I can't believe we're 1-0 up


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