Good post ...you seem to know what you are talking about ...but how many referendums do think you should have before something is done ?

But you don't have a referendum and then just do it. The referendum indicated national approval for the idea of brexit. Then the government in power had to work out, and get approval for, the details of the deal. This it failed to do.

But you don't have a referendum and then just do it. The referendum indicated national approval for the idea of brexit. Then the government in power had to work out, and get approval for, the details of the deal. This it failed to do.

How was it supposed to succeed when 60% of MPs who promised to see Brexit through did everything in their power to stop it or hinder it?

From the moment May took over the negotiations from David Davies the whole venture was doomed. If she had left well alone we would have done a good deal and we would have got a good result . As it was the remoaners made it impossible and cost the country billions in wasted efforts to cover their arses.

My final contribution on the EU debate for today at least.

Up until a few years ago, I would have been very indifferent to the thought of, or desire for, Welsh independence. I have been overall a relatively happy member of the status quo regarding the UK, albeit unhappy with the actions of some governments (Poll tax, Iraq, bedroom tax etc).

What I have seen over the past few years has brought to stark light the rottenness at the heart of Westminster:
the way our politicians seem to have been bought off (or are being blackmailed);
a PM who is on record as a liar, who has been recorded conspiring to assault a reporter;
cabinet ministers who say one thing today, the opposite tomorrow;
ministers like Patel voting on contracts having given paid advice to the company bidding for the contract;
constant lies not being challenged;
the ability of extremists like Farage to command the media spotlight, thanks to how our press is run; and the role of social media in manipulating public opinion has been frightening.

I have also come to believe that we are in the throes of the selling off of the UK, and that Brexit is simply a means to an end in the hands of those (like Rees Mogg) who in my opinion are conspiring against the UK. This time though, it won't be a possible invasion by tanks and troops that we will have to fight off. We might have have had a chance about that. No, it'll be a takeover by stealth of all our public assets, a process started some years ago but now coming to fruition.

Our NHS (which American health insurance companies are slavering over) will go, public services will be privatised and cut back to nothing, the least able in society will suffer, retirement age pushed ever upwards, and the financial divide between rich and poor will increase exponentially.

As Top Gun has mentioned, there are many people in Scotland now questioning their position viz a viz the UK, and Scottish independence is a real possibility. Wales doesn't get the same publicity as Scotland (for Wales, see England), but I can tell you that I am not alone in now considering Welsh independence as a preferable alternative to living in what the UK will become. People who 10 years ago would have laughed at the idea, are now beginning to wonder.

Brexit is nothing at all to do with the EU in reality, its simply a vehicle that has allowed tax dodging parasites to dictate political discourse and policy in this country.

And finally, to those who say it was the will of the people and those who voted remain should just shut up and get on with it:
a) that's not how true democracy works, people are allowed to change their minds (both ways)
b) Farage himself said that if the vote had been 52/48 the other way, he would have carried on campaigning.

He’s going back to 3 centrals isn’t he.

Good post ...you seem to know what you are talking about ...but how many referendums do think you should have before something is done ?

Good post ...you seem to know what you are talking about ...but how many referendums do think you should have before something is done ?

We have three left backs, so we are selling one, I don't see why it has to be more to it than that. Monreal probably wanted to go, and we let him leave because he's been a good servant to the club. Tierney is clearly thought of as the guy going forward and until then we have Kolasinac.

Interesting that everyone seems to think we are going to roll these guys over. Not sure it’s going to be that easy or where this expectation comes from.