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Post #508321  Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:35 pm 
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Bought a new house today and my mum without seeing it phoned up to say it was a mistake and that we also needed to move our kids out of their school because of an ofsted report that wasn’t perfect.

You really can’t pick your family can you, aren’t they supposed to support you.


:laughing7: :laughing7: Yeah just what you want to hear ..... buying and moving to a new house is one of the most stressful events one does in life and your mother shooting from the hip saying you've f*****& up is the last thing you need .


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Anybody watching the cricket? Comprehensive arse kicking being handed out by England :21encouragement:

Well let's hope we don't get a repeat on Sunday .

I'm hoping the weight of expectation from the English public proves too much for Root , Woakes , Morgan and Co ...... bit like Tim Headman and Buster Mottram were going to win Wimbledon every year .

NZ opener Guptill who has been f**&*&^%% awful so far to score 120 not out ..... and the really nice guys of the world come through .

..written in the stars I can see it now .


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Anybody watching the cricket? Comprehensive arse kicking being handed out by England :21encouragement:

Well let's hope we don't get a repeat on Sunday .

I'm hoping the weight of expectation from the English public proves too much for Root , Woakes , Morgan and Co ...... bit like Tim Headman and Buster Mottram were going to win Wimbledon every year .

NZ opener Guptill who has been f**&*&^%% awful so far to score 120 not out ..... and the really nice guys of the world come through .

..written in the stars I can see it now .

Won’t bother watching it but I hope NZ get there.

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Bought a new house today and my mum without seeing it phoned up to say it was a mistake and that we also needed to move our kids out of their school because of an ofsted report that wasn’t perfect.

You really can’t pick your family can you, aren’t they supposed to support you.


:laughing7: :laughing7: Yeah just what you want to hear ..... buying and moving to a new house is one of the most stressful events one does in life and your mother shooting from the hip saying you've f*****& up is the last thing you need .

TG, It’s the things you don’t do that you regret for the rest of your life. I am sure it will all work out well.

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NZ opener Guptill who has been f**&*&^%% awful so far to score 120 not out .....

I’d expect an opener to score more than 120 if he’s not out in a 50 overs per side game. I hope Williamson gets a century.


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I guess anything can happen but as things stand I’ll be surprised if 2019/20 isn’t Emery’s last season at Arsenal. Where I may differ from you is that I’m not sure it will be his decision. If the lack of funds from KSE means a top four place is a pipe dream and we don’t win the Europa League, resulting in us not getting into the 2020/21 Champions League, I can see him being sacked.

I’m not saying Kroenke is bothered about fans’ opinions, but I see sacking managers as a way for him to divert blame away from his ownership. A sort of ‘What are you moaning about me for? I am doing my bit by dismissing an underperforming head coach.’ Ironic really, after Wenger was allowed to continue in post so long despite taking underperformance to new heights, as I think we could become a sacking club. Each head coach may be given a couple of years to get us back into the Champions League. If they fail to do so with the transfer budget being less than the cost of a bar of chocolate, they’re out.

I’m pretty sure I’ve made this point before.


I agree with this Bernard.

Notwithstanding injuries and the lack of quality but given the relative ease of the run-in and the opportunities we had against medicre opposition I actually think the last few weeks of the season were a management disasterclass from Emery. Surely, any half competent manager would have got a better return from the last few games than he did. Not to mention the nightmare Europa Final.

If a player who cost over 80 mil (68 plus the 15 we dropped in having to sell giroud at undervalue) had scored a penalty that’s all it would take. That plus the mental fragility of most of the squad is what cost us.

But I think you are correct in that Emery will probably be the sacrificial lamb. But I won’t be giving Henry or any other former player any longer time. The advantage the next manager has is that Özil and others will be at contract end.

We could end up like Newcastle- even Alardyce saying no thanks. Simple really - invest or perish. See the league littered with these clubs who were once great.

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So I guess we'd start the season with this back four - Monreal, Sokratis, Mustafi and AMN? When will Holding and Bellerin be back?

Xhaka, Torreira and Guendouzi to rotate for the 2 CM postions; Aubameyang, Lacazette, Iwobi, Özil and Mkhitaryan to rotate for the front 4 positions... wonder how we will fare - on paper, we should still be competitive enough for the top four.


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Instead of struggling with trying to get a 100%performance from Özil why haven't we tried to reinvent him ie turn him into Cazorla mark 2?

He has the same skills, maybe not so much in the defensive roll, but he could be the buy of the season if it works out.

Apologies for repeating this as I have mentioned it before with no response. I think am right as I was?about Sanchez so who agrees?


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So we built an ambitious stadium and it nearly broke us and we couldn't sign too many players for a while as we had restrictions financially. Ipso facto, how are Tottenham spending money having built a new stadium at over twice what ours cost? Something doesn't add up.


I've long thought that Darren. Didn't their stadium costs run massively over budget?

Mind you they did make over £100m from the CL run.


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Hoping beyond hope some Arsenal fans will protest at the match. Even if they do it won't do much good. And to think, Kroenke had likely never heard of us if it weren't for Dein.

Anyway, water under the bridge. Just try to win despite of a bad owner. Not the first club in the world to try and succeed. Man Utd won big with the Glazers and no one talks about them much anymore despite having their worst finish in recent years for a few decades. Probably have to go back to the '80s for a finish that low for them I'm guessing.

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Hoping beyond hope some Arsenal fans will protest at the match. Even if they do it won't do much good. And to think, Kroenke had likely never heard of us if it weren't for Dein.

I realise you drone on boringly about blaming Dein, but I can’t help wondering if on this occasion it might have happened because you read kiwi’s post, even if you didn’t read mine.

It was Fiszman who turned Kroenke into the majority shareholder, giving him control of the club. But you never mention Fiszman, as far as I can remember anyway.


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I wonder if Kroenke will go to any of the games on the US tour. I would assume he would.


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We've got friendlies against Bayern, Fiorentina and Real Madrid to playw with what looks a pretty uninspiring squad of players, supplemented by some promising kids.

Never mind, it is always darkest before the dawn............Martinelli will turn out to be the real deal and win the Golden Boot this season, before transferrring to Madrid for £250m.


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Until the club gets run properly we’ll be savaged


Might not be quite so easy

You and a few others rightly lamenting the fact we seem to be floundering with club mangement transfers etc etc

while we the " little people " think how can this happen . Idiot decisions do and don't happen .

Sanchez not bering sold to Utd for 60 mill cash , no fee for Ramsay , sky high wages for Özil ....... :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch: :36angers:

Now I'm here to tell you why ......

I've observed in life .............you get some glib talking incompetent **&%%$# who slimes his way into a position of power ...

...... then he tends to hire other incompetents because IF they weren to hire real sharp cookies [a] their own position comes under threat and [b] being icompetent himself he hasn't a decent handle on who to hire .

Another downfall of having a d*ck in charge ........is any real sharp cookie who does stumble into the fold ; quickly gets disillusioned with the inept way things are done and thinks bollocks to this and leaves for greener pastures

...... hence you end up with a logjam of dickstops ; either going through the motions or making p*ss poor decisions .


kiwi for world president.

You've just summed it up perfectly Pete. This is exactly what's happening in UK politics at the moment.

Our democracy is under attack, and who's going to be our next PM? An incompetent buffoon who only got where he is because of his upbringing and connections.

As for the Arsenal; it's becoming a right old sh*tshow isn't it.

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Instead of struggling with trying to get a 100%performance from Özil why haven't we tried to reinvent him ie turn him into Cazorla mark 2?

He has the same skills, maybe not so much in the defensive roll, but he could be the buy of the season if it works out.

Apologies for repeating this as I have mentioned it before with no response. I think am right as I was?about Sanchez so who agrees?


I agree entirely. Özil should be played in an advanced midfield position where his skills could cause damage. He will never defend as well as a CM should so use his skills in attack.

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If Koscielny’s stance Forced us in to the market for a new CB because we were basing on plans on using Kos for the season then that is a good thing.
Kos should have been thought of as an extra for the season, to maybe get 15 games from that’s all


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If Koscielny’s stance Forced us in to the market for a new CB because we were basing on plans on using Kos for the season then that is a good thing.
Kos should have been thought of as an extra for the season, to maybe get 15 games from that’s all

I’d have been very nervous about him even having fifteen games.


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If Koscielny’s stance Forced us in to the market for a new CB because we were basing on plans on using Kos for the season then that is a good thing.
Kos should have been thought of as an extra for the season, to maybe get 15 games from that’s all


I haven't got a clue what's going on any more. According to Ornstein we aren't close to making any signings and there's only a month to go until the window shuts and the season starts.


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If Koscielny’s stance Forced us in to the market for a new CB because we were basing on plans on using Kos for the season then that is a good thing.
Kos should have been thought of as an extra for the season, to maybe get 15 games from that’s all


I haven't got a clue what's going on any more. According to Ornstein we aren't close to making any signings and there's only a month to go until the window shuts and the season starts.

Assume the worst. Anything else will be a bonus.


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If Koscielny’s stance Forced us in to the market for a new CB because we were basing on plans on using Kos for the season then that is a good thing.
Kos should have been thought of as an extra for the season, to maybe get 15 games from that’s all


I haven't got a clue what's going on any more. According to Ornstein we aren't close to making any signings and there's only a month to go until the window shuts and the season starts.

As Corporal Jones used to say ‘don’t panic’. No one at the club knows what is happening either. The word ‘clustersf..k’ covers the situation accurately. Stan is pretty happy as he hasn’t spent too much.

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What’s happening at and to Arsenal is an absolute disgrace.

The whole club is now run by a bunch of clueless foreigners running it down.

One of Britain’s oldest and most successful sporting institutions.

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July 13 no new signings or players sold.

Absolute mess,

Next season will be identical, your essentially saying to Lacazette and Aubameyang “get us out of trouble lads”

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What’s happening at and to Arsenal is an absolute disgrace.

The whole club is now run by a bunch of clueless foreigners running it down.

One of Britain’s oldest and most successful sporting institutions.


Don't worry, once Boris pushes through Brexit we will expel all these nasty foreigners and make Arsenal great again!.

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What’s happening at and to Arsenal is an absolute disgrace.

The whole club is now run by a bunch of clueless foreigners running it down.

One of Britain’s oldest and most successful sporting institutions.


Don't worry, once Boris pushes through Brexit we will expel all these nasty foreigners and make Arsenal great again!.

Don’t get me started on brexit and that stupid helmet either !

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July 13 no new signings or players sold.

Absolute mess,

Next season will be identical, your essentially saying to Lacazette and Aubameyang “get us out of trouble lads”



Why would Lacazette or Aubameyang want to stay?

Both at the peak of their powers and presumably looking to win some trophies before retirement. Aubameyang is in his 30's so has a very limited window of opportunity.

If things on the inside are as bleak as they look from the outside then I'd be on my bike. That's not a lack of loyalty that's just a sensible and pragmatic career decision.


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So, has Tottenham hijacked Saliba?

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July 13 no new signings or players sold.

Absolute mess,

Next season will be identical, your essentially saying to Lacazette and Aubameyang “get us out of trouble lads”



Why would Lacazette or Aubameyang want to stay?

Both at the peak of their powers and presumably looking to win some trophies before retirement. Aubameyang is in his 30's so has a very limited window of opportunity.

If things on the inside are as bleak as they look from the outside then I'd be on my bike. That's not a lack of loyalty that's just a sensible and pragmatic career decision.


We are probably going to lose Aubameyang and Lacazette within the next four transfer windows whether we are a mess or not. Hope they can give us at least 35 leagues goals this season. That would at least ensure we get high fees for them.


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socrates wrote:
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If Koscielny’s stance Forced us in to the market for a new CB because we were basing on plans on using Kos for the season then that is a good thing.
Kos should have been thought of as an extra for the season, to maybe get 15 games from that’s all


I haven't got a clue what's going on any more. According to Ornstein we aren't close to making any signings and there's only a month to go until the window shuts and the season starts.


Emery has to work some magic to get the best out of Mustafi, Özil, Mkhitaryan...

back five again I assume since we have not strengthened our defence...


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Mustafi will end up net costing us points and it will be at the worst time. Lets bite bullet. Write him off, send him anywhere and take the loss. Free transfer, whatever we have to do. Nice guy but he's barely conference level in quality.

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Mustafi will end up net costing us points and it will be at the worst time. Lets bite bullet. Write him off, send him anywhere and take the loss. Free transfer, whatever we have to do. Nice guy but he's barely conference level in quality.

How much conference football do you see?


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So now Arsenal have bid 80m euros for Nicholas Pépé.

https://www.tf1.fr/tf1/telefoot/news/ex ... 82815.html


Sounds like one of those cynical offers for a player we know won't come to us (bigger and better teams want him) designed to show fans ambition without actually risking anything.

A lot of people are suggesting it is a PR exercise designed to soften the blow of losing Saliba.

We shall see.

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Bernard wrote:
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Mustafi will end up net costing us points and it will be at the worst time. Lets bite bullet. Write him off, send him anywhere and take the loss. Free transfer, whatever we have to do. Nice guy but he's barely conference level in quality.

How much conference football do you see?

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If you could remove his weird compulsion to slide tackle at every opportunity and the numerous brain farts, Mustafi would be half decent. That reminds me of the old saying...’if my aunt had b@£&&&s she’d be my uncle .....’


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July 13 no new signings or players sold.

Absolute mess,

Next season will be identical, your essentially saying to Lacazette and Aubameyang “get us out of trouble lads”

So what is your preferred model of a British run club - Sunderland or Newcastle.

The problem is this - self sustaining does not necessarily mean spending just what you receive. The value of the club increasing means it is worth more so therefore money needs to be invested to increase the value. You should be actually paying something for the fact the overall value is increasing. But we have had no overall investment for years coupled with an investor who does not know football from his arse and could not care less.

When Wenger held all the power he needed to be coming out and demanding investment from the owners. But he decided to just follow the party line with the result being where we are. Every year we would be saying we were 2-3 very good players away from be challengers. That is when we needed to spend.

Instead Wenger had silly socialist wage policies, lost the ability to identify talent, refused to pay the asking rate meaning everytime we did a trolley dash, late in the transfer period, we overpaid for poor talent. Then getting the new player, the wage policy paid them too much and now we can't unload any of them.

I have my doubts about Emery in his ability to mentor and inspire players. I actually can no longer see anyway out of the continuing decline. When the fans boycott games, pull out the seats and throw them on the field or maybe people bring shoes to a game and throw them on the pitch will anyone in the USA even know what the feelings are.

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I've heard we improved our offer for Tierney. Seems a solid player. Did we really pay 35 mil for Mustafi? My god! Someone didn't do their homework.

It looks like its going to be a tough season for us.

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Here is a story about an increased bid for Tierney.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/07/14/arsenal- ... -10272541/

But then there is the sting in the tail, in the article - he is still injured. It seems to suggest no idea when he will recover.

First of all how could he ever pass a medical and secondly how could we possibly bid a scottish record price (and 60% of our transfer budget) for someone who is just plain injury prone. keep in mind he is not actually in demand from other clubs.

Personally I don't want him anywhere near the club.

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I wonder if Kroenke will go to any of the games on the US tour. I would assume he would.

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As far as Monday's game, he owns Colorado Rapids as well. He'll profit from ticket sales, merch, etc., both sides. Whether or not he or Josh attend, they'd have to be impartial. Wouldn't surprise me if half-half scarves are sold. The Bayern game, Weds., is in LA. No guarantee on that either.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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Well let's hope we don't get a repeat on Sunday .

I'm hoping the weight of expectation from the English public proves too much for Root , Woakes , Morgan and Co ...... bit like Tim Headman and Buster Mottram were going to win Wimbledon every year .

NZ opener Guptill who has been f**&*&^%% awful so far to score 120 not out ..... and the really nice guys of the world come through .

..written in the stars I can see it now .

Won’t bother watching it but I hope NZ get there.

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Might not be quite so easy


I've observed in life .............you get some glib talking incompetent **&%%$# who slimes his way into a position of power ...

...... then he tends to hire other incompetents because IF they were to hire real sharp cookies [a] their own position comes under threat
[b] being incompetent himself he hasn't a decent handle on who to hire anyway .

Another downfall of having a d*ck in charge ........is any real sharp cookie who does stumble into the fold ; quickly gets disillusioned with the inept way things are done and thinks bollocks to this and leaves for greener pastures

...... hence you end up with a logjam of dickstops ; either going through the motions or making p*ss poor decisions .


kiwi for world president.

You've just summed it up perfectly Pete. This is exactly what's happening in UK politics at the moment.

Our democracy is under attack, and who's going to be our next PM? An incompetent buffoon who only got where he is because of his upbringing and connections.

As for the Arsenal; it's becoming a right old sh*tshow isn't it.

KROENKE OUT

:laughing7: Thank you , thank you Johnny Boy ... and let me just respond with you've got to be one of the nicest most astute dudes on this forum .

Democracy under attack ... not wrong . Don't get me started . I've come to realise people in power [ with the odd exception Ghandi , Mandela maybe ] are a self serving bunch of pr*cks .


In NZ anyone in government only has to serve three terms ... that's poxy nine years FFS and they retire on full salary , free air travel for them and spouse for the rest of their godamn lives . I worked for 50 years to get the $300 a week pension

Even at local council the rorts go on . Bloke who owns our local superette manages his normal days work and still pockets $ 68, 000 a year for attending one meeting a week .

Still I'm gloriously happy ... just been to a swap meet ..... UK terms that's a monster boot sale . Got myself some cool car parts for cheap prices ...any day now I'll get one of these V8's running .


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Post #508360  Posted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:14 am 
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john1 wrote:

kiwi for world president.

You've just summed it up perfectly Pete. This is exactly what's happening in UK politics at the moment.

Our democracy is under attack, and who's going to be our next PM? An incompetent buffoon who only got where he is because of his upbringing and connections.

As for the Arsenal; it's becoming a right old sh*tshow isn't it.

KROENKE OUT

:laughing7: Thank you , thank you Johnny Boy ... and let me just respond with you've got to be one of the nicest most astute dudes on this forum .

Democracy under attack ... not wrong . Don't get me started . I've come to realise people in power [ with the odd exception Ghandi , Mandela maybe ] are a self serving bunch of pr*cks .


In NZ anyone in government only has to serve three terms ... that's poxy nine years FFS and they retire on full salary , free air travel for them and spouse for the rest of their godamn lives . I worked for 50 years to get the $300 a week pension

Even at local council the rorts go on . Bloke who owns our local superette manages his normal days work and still pockets $ 68, 000 a year for attending one meeting a week .

Still I'm gloriously happy ... just been to a swap meet ..... UK terms that's a monster boot sale . Got myself some cool car parts for cheap prices ...any day now I'll get one of these V8's running .

I have more faith in you getting one of them running than Arsenal actually buying a top rate defender.

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