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Post #505761  Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:40 pm 
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Not this again, sorry but it is quite simple really, Kroenke allowed Wenger to stay around way beyond his sell by date and waste all those funds, how is that Wenger's fault?, managers generally don't sack themselves!.

It is total futility blaming Wenger, Kroenke backed Wenger far too much and should now admit he got it wrong but he won't, instead we'll be back to saving the pennies, all because he got it wrong, now we all have to suffer because he is 'hands off' aka knows f*ck all about football so allowed Wenger to run things into the ground.

Keep blaming Wenger though, that is exactly what Stan wants....


I get all that and I hate Kroenke too and yes he took way too long to sack Wenger but it was only in the last couple of seasons where the majority of our fans wanted Wenger out and started being vocal. I used to get chewed out on here for suggesting it.

It wasn’t kroenke who spunked 100 million on perez, Xhaka and Mustafi or let Ramsey and Sanchez run their contracts down.


I was with Wenger right up to the Leicester fairy tale season. For most of that time he'd not had any real money to spend and you could see what he was trying to do. But someway towards the end of that season and the beginning of the next, the wheels came off. The quality of incoming players dropped off massively, and he refused to address weaknesses despite having money to do so. I'll always be grateful for the Cup Final against Chelsea (though not as much as to the person who got me a ticket!), but I don't think anyone thought for a second that staying on after that was a good idea. Word on the street is that Wenger was talked into staying that summer because the club had nothing in place for when he went.

Gazidis takes a lot more blame than kroenke for me. Kroenke has only ever done exactly what he said he was going to on the very rare occasion he has spoken. Gazidis failed to improve almost anything during most of his time at the club, and then ran off for a bigger paycheque as soon as he got any actual power and responsibility.

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Post #505762  Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:43 pm 
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Can we stop with the Emery inherited dross and any manager is bound to fail with this lot narrative? He, along with a bunch of other managers, applied for the job knowing full well what he's getting himself into. He's confident of doing the job required of an Arsenal head coach, and if he can't, it simply means he and the board had over-estimated his capability.


To be honest Emery was hired to win us the Europa League or get us into the top 4. He's within 3 games of one and 2 games and a favourable result elsewhere of the other. If he does so with the weakest overall squad of the top 6, he'll have done well despite some appalling performances.

I want to see how he does this week and next with his balls really against the wall.

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However that aside I can’t get the thought out of my head that this squad is one of the most mediocre we have had in years. There’s absolute dross in the squad because Gazidis let Wenger run his squad down. I don’t even think our players are even as good as the ones we had a few seasons back?

Would you swap Kolasinac for clichy ?
Would you swap mhikitaryan for Walcott?
Would you swap Iwobi for the OX?
Would you swap Xhaka for Cazorla?

I would and some of those players who left are hardly world beaters, the team is visibly worse than a few years back.

Do you think a 5th or 6th place finish would be disappointing from Emery considering the circumstances? I think Chelsea and spurs have far better players than us and are underachieving in the league.

Apart from the other burning issues you raise (eg Kolasinac or Clichy?), why do you think that Chelsea, Spurs and for that matter, Manchester United, are struggling so much in this league?


Chelsea have too many players past their best and are caught between opposing styles of the current and previous managers. And to be honest they've been increasingly reliant on Hazard every year for a while now.

Spurs have been incredibly fortunate with injuries (and dodgy penalties!) for the last 3 years. Playing at high physical intensity with limited rotation will always start to catch up on team (which I think has contributed to Arsenal's recent form collapse a lot too).

Man Utd have no idea what their identity is, have a back four only marginally better than ours, and lack any real top level creativity.

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Post #505764  Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:54 pm 
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Trying to remain positive

In the summer if we could flog Mustafi, Chambers and el Nenny for about 40 million we could have a transfer pot of around 80 or 90. That would give Emery the money he needs for about 4 players if spent wisely like we did last summer. No matter what we say this is surely possible and then going into next season with renewed hope could be possible.


Quite agree. Much of course will depend on the development of AMN, Nelson, ESR, Willock, Nketiah & Saka, but if 4 of those can become genuine squad players (or even better first teamers) it will massively ease the transition.

Also worth remembering that if we ship out the three you mention, plus lose the wages of Rambo, Lichsteiner, Čech, maybe Monreal (has he been extend or not?) and possibly Welbeck (though whispers that we might try to bring him back), that's £550k-£600k of the weekly wage bill.

So much depends on the quality of our transfer business this summer. If it can be as good pound for pound as the summer just gone, I think we'll be happy enough.

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I know people were incredibly bored by Wenger's tippy tappy football but when you see us outplayed and outfought by Leicester, who enjoyed the lion's share of the possession and frankly made us look second rate both physically and technically, I find that pretty hard to stomach.

When Emery arrived it seemed he was promising exciting high tempo football with us on the front foot most of the time. I get that we have some limited players but even so we are quite stodgy in our play, even at home, and the less said about our away performances the better.


Part of it is due to a total lack of athleticism in our midfield. Its one reason why we found Napoli easier than Palace, Wolves or Leicester.

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I’m surprised more wasn’t made of Maddison’s blatant dive to get AMN sent off. He clearly wasn’t touched, no problem him jumping out of the way if he thinks he’s going to be touched, but he then rolled around on the floor screaming and holding his ankles. The replays show AMN going up to Maddison and saying “that’s not good Mads” they must be mates from the U21 set up.
Diving and feigning injury to get a player sent off of far worse than diving to win a penalty in my book.

Hope the Emirates crowd remember that when Maddison plays there next season


Danny Murphy ripped into Maddison on the BBC

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A few articles have cropped up in the media criticising Emery’s tactics quoting player sources. Interesting, wonder why this is happening.


If you look at the journo's dropping the quotes, there are quite a few Spurs fans, Spurs journo's among them. Not the usual suspects for a boardroom leak.

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https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer ... 8?mode=amp

Good article investigating how football has changed and the value of total team tactics. Concentrated a lot on Pep and Klopp.


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I’m surprised more wasn’t made of Maddison’s blatant dive to get AMN sent off. He clearly wasn’t touched, no problem him jumping out of the way if he thinks he’s going to be touched, but he then rolled around on the floor screaming and holding his ankles. The replays show AMN going up to Maddison and saying “that’s not good Mads” they must be mates from the U21 set up.
Diving and feigning injury to get a player sent off of far worse than diving to win a penalty in my book.

Hope the Emirates crowd remember that when Maddison plays there next season


Danny Murphy ripped into Maddison on the BBC

To be fair he did but he’s the only voice in any report I’ve read of the game.


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Ajax playing superbly, all over Spurs, and a goal up at the Toilet Bowl.


Ajax not offside for that goal? :42laughter:

No. The player standing offside never touched the ball.

Ridiculous aspect of offside. A player can be in the eyesight of a goalie thus interfering in play but not be called offside.

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Concussion in football needs to be taken far more seriously. The ref asked spurs if Vertonghen was ok to continue last night, they said he was and he went back on - within 30 seconds he took himself off and could barely stand up!

Maybe there needs to be an independent doctor who assesses all head injuries, and perhaps the team with the man down call be allowed to temporarily substitute a player on whilst he is being assessed.


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Have to say I really enjoyed watching that spurs game last night.

These days I watch little football apart from arsenal. Champions league is always good entertainment though we have to get back in it even if we have no chance on winning it.

Next up Barca hopefully smashing Liverpool

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A few articles have cropped up in the media criticising Emery’s tactics quoting player sources. Interesting, wonder why this is happening.


If you look at the journo's dropping the quotes, there are quite a few Spurs fans, Spurs journo's among them. Not the usual suspects for a boardroom leak.

There’s definitely something going on in the press,

Articles criticising Emery all over the place. Even one criticising a team huddle of something trying to make out we are religious fanatics or something.

Really hope we win tomorrow if nothing else to shut up some of the daft criticism.

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Spurs have been incredibly fortunate with injuries (and dodgy penalties!) for the last 3 years. Playing at high physical intensity with limited rotation will always start to catch up on team (which I think has contributed to Arsenal's recent form collapse a lot too).


Spurs haven't been "fortunate". They have a good manager who gets the best out of players.

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Concussion in football needs to be taken far more seriously. The ref asked spurs if Vertonghen was ok to continue last night, they said he was and he went back on - within 30 seconds he took himself off and could barely stand up!

Maybe there needs to be an independent doctor who assesses all head injuries, and perhaps the team with the man down call be allowed to temporarily substitute a player on whilst he is being assessed.

That was really bad. I didn't see the first half but saw the replay of it at HT. It was really distressing to see Vertonghen unable to walk. His legs just stopped working. Really awful to see.

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Spurs have been incredibly fortunate with injuries (and dodgy penalties!) for the last 3 years. Playing at high physical intensity with limited rotation will always start to catch up on team (which I think has contributed to Arsenal's recent form collapse a lot too).


Spurs haven't been "fortunate". They have a good manager who gets the best out of players.

Agree. He's done a fantastic job there.

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While not football related I want to mention 25 years since the death of the person I personally regard as the greatest sportsman of my era - Ayrton Senna RIP.

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I also have to agree on spurs but also Liverpool

Whilst we procrastinated and complained about financial fair play, refs, politics and what not for years they rebuilt impressively.

What both teams seem to get is that they are working to a budget and prepared to blood young players in certain Areas of the pitch like full back but then spend big in core areas like centre half and goalkeeper.

Look at Klopp s first team he picked and think what changes have to be made to get them where they are now.

Liverpool’s starting XI v Spurs: Mignolet, Clyne, Skrtel, Sakho, Moreno, Leiva, Can, Milner, Lallana (replaced by Allen), Coutinho (replaced by Ibe), Origi
Subs: Toure, Allen, Ibe, Bogdan, Sinclair, Vilaca Teixeira, Randall

Also it helps when you have a manager and scouting team that can pick up bargains and Salah, Mane, Firmino and Son Heung Min all be signed for around 30 million are absolute bargains. This summer aside I can’t think of the last medium priced player we signed that turned out to be a real hit probably going back to Cazorla and Monreal which was some time ago.

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I also have to agree on spurs but also Liverpool

Whilst we procrastinated and complained about financial fair play, refs, politics and what not for years they rebuilt impressively.

What both teams seem to get is that they are working to a budget and prepared to blood young players in certain Areas of the pitch like full back but then spend big in core areas like centre half and goalkeeper.

Look at Klopp s first team he picked and think what changes have to be made to get them where they are now.

Liverpool’s starting XI v Spurs: Mignolet, Clyne, Skrtel, Sakho, Moreno, Leiva, Can, Milner, Lallana (replaced by Allen), Coutinho (replaced by Ibe), Origi
Subs: Toure, Allen, Ibe, Bogdan, Sinclair, Vilaca Teixeira, Randall

Also it helps when you have a manager and scouting team that can pick up bargains and Salah, Mane, Firmino and Son Heung Min all be signed for around 30 million are absolute bargains. This summer aside I can’t think of the last medium priced player we signed that turned out to be a real hit probably going back to Cazorla and Monreal which was some time ago.

Funnily enough, I posted on Twitter that I thought Emery wasn't the right guy after Sunday's shitshow. A scouser mate of mine said it took Klopp three years to get close and we should be patient. Whilst I agree with that sentiment, I have this nagging sense that we won't get close to the title with Emery. I think as Bernard and a couple of others suggested, his remit is one of transitioning us back into the CL places.

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I also have to agree on spurs but also Liverpool

Whilst we procrastinated and complained about financial fair play, refs, politics and what not for years they rebuilt impressively.

What both teams seem to get is that they are working to a budget and prepared to blood young players in certain Areas of the pitch like full back but then spend big in core areas like centre half and goalkeeper.

Look at Klopp s first team he picked and think what changes have to be made to get them where they are now.

Liverpool’s starting XI v Spurs: Mignolet, Clyne, Skrtel, Sakho, Moreno, Leiva, Can, Milner, Lallana (replaced by Allen), Coutinho (replaced by Ibe), Origi
Subs: Toure, Allen, Ibe, Bogdan, Sinclair, Vilaca Teixeira, Randall

Also it helps when you have a manager and scouting team that can pick up bargains and Salah, Mane, Firmino and Son Heung Min all be signed for around 30 million are absolute bargains. This summer aside I can’t think of the last medium priced player we signed that turned out to be a real hit probably going back to Cazorla and Monreal which was some time ago.

Funnily enough, I posted on Twitter that I thought Emery wasn't the right guy after Sunday's shitshow. A scouser mate of mine said it took Klopp three years to get close and we should be patient. Whilst I agree with that sentiment, I have this nagging sense that we won't get close to the title with Emery. I think as Bernard and a couple of others suggested, his remit is one of transitioning us back into the CL places.


I agree Emery won’t get 3 years. I fully expect him to complete next season then the club deciding against taking up the option for year 3 in his contract.

Some of our fans are behaving like Chelsea supporters now moaning about all and sundry and it’s evident he won’t get the time. You can only scream about showing passion so much but passion can only get you so far if you don’t have the technicians in the team.

I think it’s not possible for him to be here for a long time. For a few reasons but mostly that bar 5 players he needs to move on his entire squad of playing personnel and replace it on a minimal budget.

Then consider that we don’t have a director of football, no Gazidis, no Mislintat. It’s an equation that doesn’t add up in the timescales required.

At the end of the next season it might be best for the club to recruit an ex player like Henry or Vieira who would get far more patience and understanding from the supporters and media than Emery has because of their status as legends.

I think this is part of it, Emery doesn’t feel very ”arsenal” to us right now so it’s easier to be more critical when things are going badly.

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...I want to see how he does this week and next with his balls really against the wall.
And the same goes for the players. Provided he selects them, they, not the manager, are on the pitch, and must take responsibility. Emery made a poor call in selection against Palace, but his players have since had opportunities to rectify that mistake, without much suggestion they have it in them to take the club where it needs to be. Even when Arsene's lesser teams had a bad run I always felt they would get a result when needed. I am not too confident of it happening now, but live in hope.

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Concussion in football needs to be taken far more seriously. The ref asked spurs if Vertonghen was ok to continue last night, they said he was and he went back on - within 30 seconds he took himself off and could barely stand up!

Maybe there needs to be an independent doctor who assesses all head injuries, and perhaps the team with the man down call be allowed to temporarily substitute a player on whilst he is being assessed.
In cricket now a blow to the head results in an immediate stoppage in play and an examination of the player. Useful for us dodgy-bladdered old-timers as it gives a chance to go for a slash and not miss any action. Mind you, the way Surrey played yesterday, may as well have stayed in the toilet.

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Funnily enough, I posted on Twitter that I thought Emery wasn't the right guy after Sunday's shitshow. A scouser mate of mine said it took Klopp three years to get close and we should be patient. Whilst I agree with that sentiment, I have this nagging sense that we won't get close to the title with Emery. I think as Bernard and a couple of others suggested, his remit is one of transitioning us back into the CL places.
Since we last won the league, bar the marvellous Leicester City, it has only been won by the massively rich clubs with their deep squads. Even the giant Liverpool has been looking through the window for nearly two decades, although they might finally win it this time. Until Arsenal can spend like City, United and Chelsea, a top four place is our realistic high point. When our previous manager said as much, it was considered sacrilege, but truth is he was speaking what virtually all non-Arsenal fans knew was the truth. If you don't have the right manager or squad of players even the Europa place is not guaranteed.

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Ramsey has played his last game.
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Ramsey has played his last game.
Ah well.


Our poor form coincides with his absence. May be more difficult to replace than we thought.


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Also it helps when you have a manager and scouting team that can pick up bargains and Salah, Mane, Firmino and Son Heung Min all be signed for around 30 million are absolute bargains. This summer aside I can’t think of the last medium priced player we signed that turned out to be a real hit probably going back to Cazorla and Monreal which was some time ago.


Sanchez didn't turn out too bad for us.


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Also it helps when you have a manager and scouting team that can pick up bargains and Salah, Mane, Firmino and Son Heung Min all be signed for around 30 million are absolute bargains. This summer aside I can’t think of the last medium priced player we signed that turned out to be a real hit probably going back to Cazorla and Monreal which was some time ago.


Sanchez didn't turn out too bad for us.


I suppose Sanchez too, he was 32 million.

He scored 1 in 2 games and we had his best years. Aside from those 3 players there’s not many you could suggest we’re an unquestionable hit

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Understand the debate about head injuries but bloody hell that guy shouldn’t have been allowed back on the pitch. He looked like he’d been hit by a train.

Gross incompetence by spurs you wouldn’t have caught Gary Lewin doing that.

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Goonie wrote:
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Also it helps when you have a manager and scouting team that can pick up bargains and Salah, Mane, Firmino and Son Heung Min all be signed for around 30 million are absolute bargains. This summer aside I can’t think of the last medium priced player we signed that turned out to be a real hit probably going back to Cazorla and Monreal which was some time ago.


Sanchez didn't turn out too bad for us.

Yeah - Sanchez was a match winner and at his peak form with us would have walked in to whoever won the title in those seasons. His value at his peak and with years left on his contract was definitely £80m+, madness that we turned down £60m from City when he only had 12 months left.

If the new regime is serious about making decisions, new contract/sell, on players when they reach their last 2 years we are going to have a few interesting decisions coming up. Mustafi for example has 2 years left on his deal, what if no-one wants to buy him, do you offer him a new deal to avoid losing him for nothing!? This is what Man U have been doing with players clearly not good enough such as Young and Phil Jones


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I also have to agree on spurs but also Liverpool

Whilst we procrastinated and complained about financial fair play, refs, politics and what not for years they rebuilt impressively.

What both teams seem to get is that they are working to a budget and prepared to blood young players in certain Areas of the pitch like full back but then spend big in core areas like centre half and goalkeeper.

Look at Klopp s first team he picked and think what changes have to be made to get them where they are now.

Liverpool’s starting XI v Spurs: Mignolet, Clyne, Skrtel, Sakho, Moreno, Leiva, Can, Milner, Lallana (replaced by Allen), Coutinho (replaced by Ibe), Origi
Subs: Toure, Allen, Ibe, Bogdan, Sinclair, Vilaca Teixeira, Randall

Also it helps when you have a manager and scouting team that can pick up bargains and Salah, Mane, Firmino and Son Heung Min all be signed for around 30 million are absolute bargains. This summer aside I can’t think of the last medium priced player we signed that turned out to be a real hit probably going back to Cazorla and Monreal which was some time ago.

Liverpool's rebuild has been massively helped by some hugely over inflated sales which has been basically like handing free money to Klopp. The squad above generated £208m in fees alone. Big Klopp sales are:
Coutinho £140m, Sakho £25m, Benteke £30m, Ibe £15m Joe Allen £13m and Ings and Solanke have gone for £19m a piece each. Danny Ward the gk sold for £12m. They even got £5m loan fee for sending Origi out on loan!
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I also have to agree on spurs but also Liverpool

Whilst we procrastinated and complained about financial fair play, refs, politics and what not for years they rebuilt impressively.

What both teams seem to get is that they are working to a budget and prepared to blood young players in certain Areas of the pitch like full back but then spend big in core areas like centre half and goalkeeper.

Look at Klopp s first team he picked and think what changes have to be made to get them where they are now.

Liverpool’s starting XI v Spurs: Mignolet, Clyne, Skrtel, Sakho, Moreno, Leiva, Can, Milner, Lallana (replaced by Allen), Coutinho (replaced by Ibe), Origi
Subs: Toure, Allen, Ibe, Bogdan, Sinclair, Vilaca Teixeira, Randall

Also it helps when you have a manager and scouting team that can pick up bargains and Salah, Mane, Firmino and Son Heung Min all be signed for around 30 million are absolute bargains. This summer aside I can’t think of the last medium priced player we signed that turned out to be a real hit probably going back to Cazorla and Monreal which was some time ago.

Liverpool's rebuild has been massively helped by some hugely over inflated sales which has been basically like handing free money to Klopp. The squad above generated £208m in fees alone. Big Klopp sales are:
Coutinho £140m, Sakho £25m, Benteke £30m, Ibe £15m Joe Allen £13m and Ings and Solanke have gone for £19m a piece each. Danny Ward the gk sold for £12m. They even got £5m loan fee for sending Origi out on loan!
If we could sell 8-9 players we don't want for £200m we'd be laughing as well


How did they get such bloody huge fees ?

They sold well where we literally chucked millions down the drain selling players like Gnabry, chesney and Wilshere for absolute peanuts.

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Liverpool's rebuild has been massively helped by some hugely over inflated sales which has been basically like handing free money to Klopp. The squad above generated £208m in fees alone. Big Klopp sales are:
Coutinho £140m, Sakho £25m, Benteke £30m, Ibe £15m Joe Allen £13m and Ings and Solanke have gone for £19m a piece each. Danny Ward the gk sold for £12m. They even got £5m loan fee for sending Origi out on loan!
If we could sell 8-9 players we don't want for £200m we'd be laughing as well


How did they get such bloody huge fees ?

They sold well where we literally chucked millions down the drain selling players like Gnabry, chesney and Wilshere for absolute peanuts.


It's something that hopefully we would rectify post-Wenger, Dick Law and Gazidis... AOC for 35m was quite good.


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How did they get such bloody huge fees ?

They sold well where we literally chucked millions down the drain selling players like Gnabry, chesney and Wilshere for absolute peanuts.


It's something that hopefully we would rectify post-Wenger, Dick Law and Gazidis... AOC for 35m was quite good.


If we had only just managed to get fees for Ramsey, Wilshere and Sanchez. Would have made such a massive difference. That would have given us 100 odd million and we could have had another 3 proven players in our side right now. I hope Gazidis chokes on his Gnocchi in Milan

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If we had only just managed to get fees for Ramsey, Wilshere and Sanchez. Would have made such a massive difference. That would have given us 100 odd million and we could have had another 3 proven players in our side right now. I hope Gazidis chokes on his Gnocchi in Milan



It seems like gross financial negligence.


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Wilshere? Ah c'mon lads. We had no chance of getting a big fee for him. He's been crocked for years.

The Coutinho fee was a monster one for Liverpool. They have spent an awful lot though. Allison, Fabinho, Keita and VVD. Worth mentioning too that Klopp hadn't much interest in Salah at all. He didn't particularly rate him. He got very lucky there.

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Understand the debate about head injuries but bloody hell that guy shouldn’t have been allowed back on the pitch. He looked like he’d been hit by a train.

Gross incompetence by spurs you wouldn’t have caught Gary Lewin doing that.

That was shameful. The Tottenham medics should be questioned about that. Looks like medical negligence. Football really needs to grow up when it comes to concussion.

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Funnily enough, I posted on Twitter that I thought Emery wasn't the right guy after Sunday's shitshow. A scouser mate of mine said it took Klopp three years to get close and we should be patient. Whilst I agree with that sentiment, I have this nagging sense that we won't get close to the title with Emery. I think as Bernard and a couple of others suggested, his remit is one of transitioning us back into the CL places.


I agree Emery won’t get 3 years. I fully expect him to complete next season then the club deciding against taking up the option for year 3 in his contract.

Some of our fans are behaving like Chelsea supporters now moaning about all and sundry and it’s evident he won’t get the time. You can only scream about showing passion so much but passion can only get you so far if you don’t have the technicians in the team.

I think it’s not possible for him to be here for a long time. For a few reasons but mostly that bar 5 players he needs to move on his entire squad of playing personnel and replace it on a minimal budget.

Then consider that we don’t have a director of football, no Gazidis, no Mislintat. It’s an equation that doesn’t add up in the timescales required.

At the end of the next season it might be best for the club to recruit an ex player like Henry or Vieira who would get far more patience and understanding from the supporters and media than Emery has because of their status as legends.

I think this is part of it, Emery doesn’t feel very ”arsenal” to us right now so it’s easier to be more critical when things are going badly.

If my memory is correct, Klopp did make his mark on Liverpool playing style pretty much immediately. Can we say the same about Emery?

I'm all for giving him the benefit of the doubt for another season or two. But I think the comparison with Klopp is a bit wishful.

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Wilshere? Ah c'mon lads. We had no chance of getting a big fee for him. He's been crocked for years.

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You could have got a fee of 5 to 10 million for him, point wasn’t about him specifically but the host of players walking out the door with no fees

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I agree Emery won’t get 3 years. I fully expect him to complete next season then the club deciding against taking up the option for year 3 in his contract.

Some of our fans are behaving like Chelsea supporters now moaning about all and sundry and it’s evident he won’t get the time. You can only scream about showing passion so much but passion can only get you so far if you don’t have the technicians in the team.

I think it’s not possible for him to be here for a long time. For a few reasons but mostly that bar 5 players he needs to move on his entire squad of playing personnel and replace it on a minimal budget.

Then consider that we don’t have a director of football, no Gazidis, no Mislintat. It’s an equation that doesn’t add up in the timescales required.

At the end of the next season it might be best for the club to recruit an ex player like Henry or Vieira who would get far more patience and understanding from the supporters and media than Emery has because of their status as legends.

I think this is part of it, Emery doesn’t feel very ”arsenal” to us right now so it’s easier to be more critical when things are going badly.

If my memory is correct, Klopp did make his mark on Liverpool playing style pretty much immediately. Can we say the same about Emery?

I'm all for giving him the benefit of the doubt for another season or two. But I think the comparison with Klopp is a bit wishful.


Don’t you remember his first 2 seasons? He finished 8th in his first season

Their defence was all over the place like we are and they were doing the whole “outscoring thing” with their opponents as we do.

It took them a couple of years to get back on track

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If my memory is correct, Klopp did make his mark on Liverpool playing style pretty much immediately. Can we say the same about Emery?

I'm all for giving him the benefit of the doubt for another season or two. But I think the comparison with Klopp is a bit wishful.


Don’t you remember his first 2 seasons? He finished 8th in his first season

Their defence was all over the place like we are and they were doing the whole “outscoring thing” with their opponents as we do.

It took them a couple of years to get back on track


That isn't the point.

I read somewhere that, statistically, Emery and Sari are right near the top in terms of first seasons in the prem (certainly better than the likes of Ferguson and Klopp, and similar to Maurinho and Pep). However, the point is that with Klopp and Fergusson there was a real buzz about their appointments.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news ... ol-manager

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