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Post #505601  Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:59 pm 
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After an entire season of coaching we can't even defend a goal kick. We are totally *%^@ and look even worse than when Emery took over. Spineless and completely disorganised. Bad tactical decisions, poor team selections, the list is starting to grow and I don't think we should be wasting time with a guy who has made zero improvement to Arsenal over a season.

You've obviously forgotten how bad we were last season. We have improved, even if not as much as you want.


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After an entire season of coaching we can't even defend a goal kick. We are totally *%^@ and look even worse than when Emery took over. Spineless and completely disorganised. Bad tactical decisions, poor team selections, the list is starting to grow and I don't think we should be wasting time with a guy who has made zero improvement to Arsenal over a season.

You've obviously forgotten how bad we were last season. We have improved, even if not as much as you want.

Marginally Bernard. The Valencia game is a huge test, I looked at some of their recent results and they are impressive.

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After reconsidering I think Emery should be sacked.

He's had this team for long enough to make a difference and we look completely *%^@ in every department.


He deserves another year. Bellerin & Holding had taken big steps forward prior to their injury. Lacazette has improved. Bar Liverpool away we've been slightly better against better teams. But he needs to beat Valencia in a big way.

Agree the team looks a mess right now, but it was even worse last year. And, frankly, how many in this squad would you even keep?

Leno, Bellerin, AMN, Sokratis, Holding, Torriera, Xhaka, Özil, Iwobi, Lacazette, Aubameyang, Guendouzi - Maybe Kos, and one of the left backs for a transition period - and some of the kids. Some of those should be squad players at best, and others are projects. We need half a new team.

the rest are mid table level warm bodies at best, and even some of the above are in all honesty at that level.

I want so what an Emery signing looks like and how he wants to shape the team before I write him off. We can all love Pep's vision and tactical genius. But he's never had anything other than brilliant squads and a ton of cash. Let's at least see what Emery can do when the team is q little more his

Only ones worth building a new team with are Leno, Niles, Guendouzi, Holding and Aubameyang. Rest are average. Torreira not convinced by either. Major surgery needed. Needs physical players who can play away from home.

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Post #505604  Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:09 pm 
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Bernard wrote:
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After an entire season of coaching we can't even defend a goal kick. We are totally *%^@ and look even worse than when Emery took over. Spineless and completely disorganised. Bad tactical decisions, poor team selections, the list is starting to grow and I don't think we should be wasting time with a guy who has made zero improvement to Arsenal over a season.

You've obviously forgotten how bad we were last season. We have improved, even if not as much as you want.


I didn't watch the last season of Wenger and think I'm wasting my time with Emery as well. Marginal improvement in points tally which is little more than a statistical blip but the same old Wenger team weaknesses are there for all to see.


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It is painful watching Arsenal. Too many overrated players who are simply not at the level needed.

I thought Xhaka just stood and watched as Tielemans ran in from outside the box to score with the header. He was the nearest man and should have tracked his run, instead he just absolved himself of the responsibility.

Leicester were simply better than us in every area, even before the sending off, and that is a sad reflection of where we are.

What happened to the days when a sending off would have resulted in a rallying of the troops and several 8 or 9 out of 10 performances. Would any player, Leno apart, get more than a 7 today?


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Bernard wrote:
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After an entire season of coaching we can't even defend a goal kick. We are totally *%^@ and look even worse than when Emery took over. Spineless and completely disorganised. Bad tactical decisions, poor team selections, the list is starting to grow and I don't think we should be wasting time with a guy who has made zero improvement to Arsenal over a season.

You've obviously forgotten how bad we were last season. We have improved, even if not as much as you want.


The points tally says we have but the last 3 games have been every bit as bad as those in the Wenger days.


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You've obviously forgotten how bad we were last season. We have improved, even if not as much as you want.


I didn't watch the last season of Wenger and think I'm wasting my time with Emery as well. Marginal improvement in points tally which is little more than a statistical blip but the same old Wenger team weaknesses are there for all to see.

Emery has done as well as he could with the players he inherited. He has some good results we probably would not have had under late AW against Spurs (h & a); Utd (h & a); Chelsea at home and Liverpool at home. Also got to include the win over Napoli which was a great result over the two legs. He's done fantastically well at the Emirates with two more big results needed at home against Brighton and Valencia.

He's tried away from home but we have been awful on the road bar the point at Spurs and we should have won at Old Trafford.

Wenger's last season away from home was also awful.

Basically, two managers have failed to make the team competitive away from home so it is clearly an issue with the players we have in the team rather than the coach.

We need a bit of excitement now which means Emery being given the tools to bring in new players and utterly dismantle this team. I can take 5th or 6th if I see a young team progressing with a new, exciting approach rather than the same old sheight served up by this bunch who lack the determination and nous to play away to some of the lower lights of the English Premier League.

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I didn't watch the last season of Wenger and think I'm wasting my time with Emery as well. Marginal improvement in points tally which is little more than a statistical blip but the same old Wenger team weaknesses are there for all to see.

Emery has done as well as he could with the players he inherited. He has some good results we probably would not have had under late AW against Spurs (h & a); Utd (h & a); Chelsea at home and Liverpool at home. Also got to include the win over Napoli which was a great result over the two legs. He's done fantastically well at the Emirates with two more big results needed at home against Brighton and Valencia.

He's tried away from home but we have been awful on the road bar the point at Spurs and we should have won at Old Trafford.

Wenger's last season away from home was also awful.

Basically, two managers have failed to make the team competitive away from home so it is clearly an issue with the players we have in the team rather than the coach.

We need a bit of excitement now which means Emery being given the tools to bring in new players and utterly dismantle this team. I can take 5th or 6th if I see a young team progressing with a new, exciting approach rather than the same old sheight served up by this bunch who lack the determination and nous to play away to some of the lower lights of the English Premier League.


Agree 100% with all of this.

To all the people complaining about Emery must be ignoring our progress. We look much better in big games than we did before but eventually our squad size and quality will let us down.

Iwobi doesn’t get in the first 11 of palace,wolves or Leicester yet he’s played more than most of our players this year.

No top 4 club would have Xhaka in midfield (he looked *%^@ again today)

We need to admit some of these players have had their chance and I would love to see more of willock in the last 2 games.

Time to follow the klopp model. Try youngsters, remove the over paid elder players clearly in their comfort zone and start afresh.

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Not to pick on him because he’s nowhere near the worst but Guendouzi for that 3rd goal was pathetic. Dribbled last twice far too easy.

Bernard, it’s not the first time I’ve seen him done for pace or not tracked a runner defensively. It’s these things that concern me a bit about Guendouzi because for a top end midfielder these things should be naturally ingrained in you as a professional well before you are 19

I’m not saying I want Guendouzi to leave but I am saying that given £50-60m I would sell him. I fear for any player in our team without pace because the prem is more and more about pace!


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Ramsey’s injury cost us dearly and I bet Emery now regrets not trying to keep him.

I’d literally hand Ramsey Xhakas salary as a pay rise and play maitland niles next to him instead


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Not to pick on him because he’s nowhere near the worst but Guendouzi for that 3rd goal was pathetic. Dribbled last twice far too easy.

Bernard, it’s not the first time I’ve seen him done for pace or not tracked a runner defensively. It’s these things that concern me a bit about Guendouzi because for a top end midfielder these things should be naturally ingrained in you as a professional well before you are 19

I’m not saying I want Guendouzi to leave but I am saying that given £50-60m I would sell him. I fear for any player in our team without pace because the prem is more and more about pace!

I wouldn't sell Guendouzi, I saw so much potential in him in the game at the Ethiad that it would be madness to let him go. Yes he has made some mistakes but he brings an energy and a likeable passion to the team that could be invaluable going forward. I only caught a replay of the 3rd goal but there were 3-4 players culpable there, not one of them tried to actually tackle the opponent.

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Not to pick on him because he’s nowhere near the worst but Guendouzi for that 3rd goal was pathetic. Dribbled last twice far too easy.

Bernard, it’s not the first time I’ve seen him done for pace or not tracked a runner defensively. It’s these things that concern me a bit about Guendouzi because for a top end midfielder these things should be naturally ingrained in you as a professional well before you are 19

I’m not saying I want Guendouzi to leave but I am saying that given £50-60m I would sell him. I fear for any player in our team without pace because the prem is more and more about pace!


I think Guendozi in his own is fine but you have Xhaka next to him. I couldn’t advocate selling the youngster whilst we have mustafi el nenny and xhaka on our books !!


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Ramsey’s injury cost us dearly and I bet Emery now regrets not trying to keep him.

I’d literally hand Ramsey Xhakas salary as a pay rise and play mainland miles next to him instead

I think Hodd's post recently explained that well. At some stage the club has to stop being held to ransom. Unfortunately it is Ramsey and he'll be a hard act to replace but that nonsense had to stop.

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Week in,week out, our final ball cannot find our own player. What does Emery practice with the squad? Oh, I forgot ..... our attacking players were training against our shite defence. No wonder Emery thought Iwobi and Mkhitaryan are excellent players.

When will you sort it out? The team is mentally weak. Lacazette is just like Giroud, falling over and grimacing and complaining all the time. Referees get tired of it and you will not get the benefit of their call.

Something is wrong with Aubameyang. I think he will request to leave this summer.

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OGS was right. We were going to bottle it. It's painful but if one can step away emotionally and be objective, Emery has done well considering everything. The bad news is if the rumors about money are true, it won't get any better. Emery has to be thinking 'what have I got myself into?'. If he were to go, we don't have the status anymore to bring in a top top manager. We can't offer money for transfers. Allegri's main reason for not coming. We will be one of those clubs with a history but no recent success. So the managers we would get are the ones that have done well at a smaller club and trying to step up to a bigger club. The Zindanes, etc. are not a reality for us. 2004 or 2005 we could pretty much get just about any manager. Now? No way.

Where is the on pitch leadership? We don't have an Adams or Vieira type of leadership any longer. Is Kos respected like that? I don't know.

This squad only gets up for Europa. They don't want to put in the work required to get into the CL proper. I'm not even interested in the City or Man Utd vs Chelsea game anymore. Why bother?

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Niall wrote:
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Ramsey’s injury cost us dearly and I bet Emery now regrets not trying to keep him.

I’d literally hand Ramsey Xhakas salary as a pay rise and play mainland miles next to him instead

I think Hodd's post recently explained that well. At some stage the club has to stop being held to ransom. Unfortunately it is Ramsey and he'll be a hard act to replace but that nonsense had to stop.

I totally agree and I’m not againest us deciding withdraw our offer but it’s just ironic that we missed him so much recently and he’s clearly been our best player


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Week in,week out, our final ball cannot find our own player. What does Emery practice with the squad? Oh, I forgot ..... our attacking players were training against our shite defence. No wonder Emery thought Iwobi and Mkhitaryan are excellent players.

When will you sort it out? The team is mentally weak. Lacazette is just like Giroud, falling over and grimacing and complaining all the time. Referees get tired of it and you will not get the benefit of their call.

Something is wrong with Aubameyang. I think he will request to leave this summer.

The passing is very bad it has to be said, basic passes going astray, opportunities squandered by a poor pass in the build up.

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TOP GUN wrote:
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I think Hodd's post recently explained that well. At some stage the club has to stop being held to ransom. Unfortunately it is Ramsey and he'll be a hard act to replace but that nonsense had to stop.

I totally agree and I’m not againest us deciding withdraw our offer but it’s just ironic that we missed him so much recently and he’s clearly been our best player

Yes he has been our best player recently, by a distance.

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Palace, wolves, Leicester- 3 losses and these players are the ones who would walk in to our starting 11
Palace: zaha, milivojevic, sahko, Van aanholt
Wolves: jonny, boly, neves, moutinho, jota, doherty(with Bellerin injured)
Leicester: chilwell, Maguire, tielemans, ndidi, maddison

You could do this for virtually every team outside of the relegation zone

Why did we get Suarez in jan when Tielemans was available, I was keen for us to get this kid from anderlecht before he even went to Monaco


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TOP GUN wrote:
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Emery has done as well as he could with the players he inherited. He has some good results we probably would not have had under late AW against Spurs (h & a); Utd (h & a); Chelsea at home and Liverpool at home. Also got to include the win over Napoli which was a great result over the two legs. He's done fantastically well at the Emirates with two more big results needed at home against Brighton and Valencia.

He's tried away from home but we have been awful on the road bar the point at Spurs and we should have won at Old Trafford.

Wenger's last season away from home was also awful.

Basically, two managers have failed to make the team competitive away from home so it is clearly an issue with the players we have in the team rather than the coach.

We need a bit of excitement now which means Emery being given the tools to bring in new players and utterly dismantle this team. I can take 5th or 6th if I see a young team progressing with a new, exciting approach rather than the same old sheight served up by this bunch who lack the determination and nous to play away to some of the lower lights of the English Premier League.


Agree 100% with all of this.

To all the people complaining about Emery must be ignoring our progress. We look much better in big games than we did before but eventually our squad size and quality will let us down.

Iwobi doesn’t get in the first 11 of palace,wolves or Leicester yet he’s played more than most of our players this year.

No top 4 club would have Xhaka in midfield (he looked *%^@ again today)

We need to admit some of these players have had their chance and I would love to see more of willock in the last 2 games.

Time to follow the klopp model. Try youngsters, remove the over paid elder players clearly in their comfort zone and start afresh.

Last summer we just patched things up


Agree 100% regards blooding in the youngsters for the unmotivated and highly paid bums. Mkhitaryan is first on my list.

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Not to pick on him because he’s nowhere near the worst but Guendouzi for that 3rd goal was pathetic. Dribbled last twice far too easy.

Bernard, it’s not the first time I’ve seen him done for pace or not tracked a runner defensively. It’s these things that concern me a bit about Guendouzi because for a top end midfielder these things should be naturally ingrained in you as a professional well before you are 19

I’m not saying I want Guendouzi to leave but I am saying that given £50-60m I would sell him. I fear for any player in our team without pace because the prem is more and more about pace!


I think Guendozi in his own is fine but you have Xhaka next to him. I couldn’t advocate selling the youngster whilst we have mustafi el nenny and xhaka on our books !!

I'd rather cash in on Bellerin/Lacazette assuming we can find replacements (and Aubameyang hangs around). Bellerin we know is good on his day going forward but is poor defensively. Lacazette hasn't convinced me he's a top quality striker and I'd take a good offer for him. Strangely his reputation still seems to be intact despite many average performances and a few bad misses in big games.

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This squad only gets up for Europa. They don't want to put in the work required to get into the CL proper. I'm not even interested in the City or Man Utd vs Chelsea game anymore. Why bother?

Everyone should watch city, our players should be forced to watch them. The most extensively assembled and gifted team but they are also the hardest working off the ball.
Bernardo Silva is a magician with the ball, a 10 who has changed his game to play wide or deeper and no player has run further than him in 90 minutes this season. He has the top 2 spots. And I think Eriksen is right up there as well. Just because you are good with the ball at your feet and the creative hub of the team doesn’t mean you shirk workrate. No excuse at all


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Rich wrote:
Palace, wolves, Leicester- 3 losses and these players are the ones who would walk in to our starting 11
Palace: zaha, milivojevic, sahko, Van aanholt
Wolves: jonny, boly, neves, moutinho, jota, doherty(with Bellerin injured)
Leicester: chilwell, Maguire, tielemans, ndidi, maddison

You could do this for virtually every team outside of the relegation zone

Why did we get Suarez in jan when Tielemans was available, I was keen for us to get this kid from anderlecht before he even went to Monaco


That 21 year old Leicester kid who looks like one of the Jackson 5 outplayed Xhaka and Torreira today.

I am wondering if Torreira is just too small for the PL despite his tenacity. He was bullied by Leicester.


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Not to pick on him because he’s nowhere near the worst but Guendouzi for that 3rd goal was pathetic. Dribbled last twice far too easy.

Bernard, it’s not the first time I’ve seen him done for pace or not tracked a runner defensively. It’s these things that concern me a bit about Guendouzi because for a top end midfielder these things should be naturally ingrained in you as a professional well before you are 19

I’m not saying I want Guendouzi to leave but I am saying that given £50-60m I would sell him. I fear for any player in our team without pace because the prem is more and more about pace!


I think Guendozi in his own is fine but you have Xhaka next to him. I couldn’t advocate selling the youngster whilst we have mustafi el nenny and xhaka on our books !!


There is a difference between wanting a player gone and receiving a big offer for a player you want to keep. Certainly drive the likes of mustafi and Xhaka out of the club first but a big offer for even on of our best players can help a wider rebuild of the squad


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Really *%^@*** *%^@ week. Three awful performances. I really don't think the majority of the team are good enough for anything more than fifth or sixth position. Nine goals conceded in the last three games tells you all you need to know. First time since 1967 we have conceded three goals in three consecutive games. And if Leno had played like he did at Wolves, Leicester could have had five or six. Total lack of effort and application. Really poor from top to bottom of club. No *%^@*** plan on or off the pitch. *%^@*** jokers, all of them. No right back worth playing. Left back is too old and alternative cannot defend. Mustafi is a car crash waiting to happen. Sokratis getting on, Kos too old. Midfield are a bunch of fannies always falling over, rolling around or sh1%%&ng out of tackles. Good job we won't qualify for ECL because we would get well and truly shafted the first time we came up against a half decent team

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Palace, wolves, Leicester- 3 losses and these players are the ones who would walk in to our starting 11
Palace: zaha, milivojevic, sahko, Van aanholt
Wolves: jonny, boly, neves, moutinho, jota, doherty(with Bellerin injured)
Leicester: chilwell, Maguire, tielemans, ndidi, maddison

You could do this for virtually every team outside of the relegation zone

Why did we get Suarez in jan when Tielemans was available, I was keen for us to get this kid from anderlecht before he even went to Monaco


That 21 year old Leicester kid who looks like one of the Jackson 5 outplayed Xhaka and Torreira today.

I am wondering if Torreira is just too small for the PL despite his tenacity. He was bullied by Leicester.


Kante is no bigger, I believe Torreira will be better next season. Regards decisions on who we get in, I'm not sure who runs the club at the moment.


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I thought Xhaka just stood and watched as Tielemans ran in from outside the box to score with the header. He was the nearest man and should have tracked his run, instead he just absolved himself of the responsibility.

I think that kind of attitude sums up far too many in our team. They don’t take the action themselves, instead passing it on to the next man or hoping the officials will give them whatever it is they are appealing for. Mustafi is exactly the same in defensive positions.
In attacking positions Özil and Mkhitaryan do this, “oh well he’s past me, we’ve still got 7 men behind me to defend that”
Midfielder making a run in to the box “that’s for the CB to deal with”
Long ball over the top “why hasn’t the GK charged 30 yards out of his goal to sweep up, I shouldn’t have to chase back for that!”

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Frustrating and ironic that the 3 players we lost to season long injuries are 3 of the few players in the squad with great attitudes and who relate well to the fans


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Top 4 is really gone but if we want any chance then Man U v Chelsea has to be a draw.
Man U have Huddersfield and Cardiff - no matter how bad Man U have been they’ll win both of those
Chelsea have Watford and Leicester. Much tougher.

If today is a draw then we’re two behind Chelsea and 1 ahead of Man U. We can stay ahead of Man U by obviously winning both and can then beat Chelsea if they draw or lose one of their two.

Only a draw allows us to have a chance.....and to mess up that chance v Burnley on the final day


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Rich wrote:
Top 4 is really gone but if we want any chance then Man U v Chelsea has to be a draw.
Man U have Huddersfield and Cardiff - no matter how bad Man U have been they’ll win both of those
Chelsea have Watford and Leicester. Much tougher.

If today is a draw then we’re two behind Chelsea and 1 ahead of Man U. We can stay ahead of Man U by obviously winning both and can then beat Chelsea if they draw or lose one of their two.

Only a draw allows us to have a chance.....and to mess up that chance v Burnley on the final day


Can I save you the thought?

It’s gone we won’t do it, it was gone after palace like I said. Also I bet Emery knows this and will act accordingly.

Now it’s all about Valencia but personally I hope the season ends as soon as possible and a solid part of me wants Valencia to beat us because losing to Chelsea in a European final would be horrendous.


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Not to pick on him because he’s nowhere near the worst but Guendouzi for that 3rd goal was pathetic. Dribbled last twice far too easy.

Bernard, it’s not the first time I’ve seen him done for pace or not tracked a runner defensively. It’s these things that concern me a bit about Guendouzi because for a top end midfielder these things should be naturally ingrained in you as a professional well before you are 19

I’m not saying I want Guendouzi to leave but I am saying that given £50-60m I would sell him. I fear for any player in our team without pace because the prem is more and more about pace!

I wouldn't sell Guendouzi, I saw so much potential in him in the game at the Ethiad that it would be madness to let him go. Yes he has made some mistakes but he brings an energy and a likeable passion to the team that could be invaluable going forward. I only caught a replay of the 3rd goal but there were 3-4 players culpable there, not one of them tried to actually tackle the opponent.

Thanks to Niall I don't have to do a detailed reply. Rich, you've gone on so much about us losing money in the transfer market, it's idiotic to want Guendouzi sold for £50m. That's a ridiculously low price considering his potential.

Also, he's not as slow as you make out. I'd bet Guendouzi to beat Ramsey in a race, that's for sure.


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Ramsey’s injury cost us dearly and I bet Emery now regrets not trying to keep him.

I’d literally hand Ramsey Xhakas salary as a pay rise and play maitland niles next to him instead

To be fair though, as you have pointed out, Ramsey only started performing once he'd joined Juventus, albeit for next season. A coincidence, or an outcome of attitude?


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Can I save you the thought?

It’s gone we won’t do it, it was gone after palace like I said. Also I bet Emery knows this and will act accordingly.

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I agree. If we had beaten Palace even now we would have been 2 points above Man U and Chelsea. I just hope this unfortunately timed collapse allows Emery to get some significant cash from Kroenke to rebuild the team.....not that I expect that to happen. I don't particularly like the CL thanks to our pathetic attempts to compete in it under Wenger, but we desperately need the additional cash it generates.


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Bernard wrote:
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I wouldn't sell Guendouzi, I saw so much potential in him in the game at the Ethiad that it would be madness to let him go. Yes he has made some mistakes but he brings an energy and a likeable passion to the team that could be invaluable going forward. I only caught a replay of the 3rd goal but there were 3-4 players culpable there, not one of them tried to actually tackle the opponent.

Thanks to Niall I don't have to do a detailed reply. Rich, you've gone on so much about us losing money in the transfer market, it's idiotic to want Guendouzi sold for £50m. That's a ridiculously low price considering his potential.

Also, he's not as slow as you make out. I'd bet Guendouzi to beat Ramsey in a race, that's for sure.

I don’t see the problem with going on about losing money in the transfer market? That along with idiotic defending have been two of our biggest and consistent downfalls in the last 10 years.
I would say that given our record sale is £35m that there is more chance of Guendouzi not being worth £50m than being worth £50m in his time with us. £50m based on today’s equivalent market in the future, because inflation may push his value up but then so would any player we need to buy.
I don’t want Guendouzi sold, my original point was that our players aren’t exactly in high demand, and we have a huge rebuilding job to do and if we receive a big offer for one of our players I would be keen to sell.
Sometimes I think we need to be open to take a hit in one area in order to strengthen the whole team. There are 15 first team players I’d sell before I sold him but very few of those are interesting the biggest clubs in the world.
I want a total rebuild at arsenal, I want rid of so many failing players. If we only have £40m to spend then we’re just looking at virtually exactly the same team for next season.
If you think £50m is ridiculously low then there should be queues of big clubs lining up to bid that or less this summer trying to nab a bargain?
Norwich wouldn’t have wanted to sell Maddison but they did, for big money and built a better squad that got them promoted. There is a method that can work by selling your best players.


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Hey Kiwi. Great to see you back and it sounds like you've had a rough time. Hope things have sorted themselves out for you.

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Bernard wrote:
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Ramsey’s injury cost us dearly and I bet Emery now regrets not trying to keep him.

I’d literally hand Ramsey Xhakas salary as a pay rise and play maitland niles next to him instead

To be fair though, as you have pointed out, Ramsey only started performing once he'd joined Juventus, albeit for next season. A coincidence, or an outcome of attitude?

Emery only started putting him in the starting 11 in the second half of the season. Ramsey has been thoroughly professional in his approach.

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Palace, wolves, Leicester- 3 losses and these players are the ones who would walk in to our starting 11
Palace: zaha, milivojevic, sahko, Van aanholt
Wolves: jonny, boly, neves, moutinho, jota, doherty(with Bellerin injured)
Leicester: chilwell, Maguire, tielemans, ndidi, maddison

You could do this for virtually every team outside of the relegation zone

Why did we get Suarez in jan when Tielemans was available, I was keen for us to get this kid from anderlecht before he even went to Monaco

You can pick players from opposing teams who are better than ours in certain positions. But let's be honest, Leicester, Wolves and Palace do not have better teams than us. Three defeats in a row conceding 3 goals in each. There's no way I give Emery a pass on this. He's had the squad for a season now. A week ago we found ourselves in a position where a few wins against weaker opponents would probably get us a CL spot. It's been pathetic and the manager is part of that. Let's not forget that he didn't put Özil or Ramsey in his first 11 for many many games while guys like Iwobi and Mkhitaryan are preferred. And the Suarez loan? WTF?

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I don’t see the problem with going on about losing money in the transfer market? That along with idiotic defending have been two of our biggest and consistent downfalls in the last 10 years.
I would say that given our record sale is £35m that there is more chance of Guendouzi not being worth £50m than being worth £50m in his time with us. £50m based on today’s equivalent market in the future, because inflation may push his value up but then so would any player we need to buy.
I don’t want Guendouzi sold, my original point was that our players aren’t exactly in high demand, and we have a huge rebuilding job to do and if we receive a big offer for one of our players I would be keen to sell.
Sometimes I think we need to be open to take a hit in one area in order to strengthen the whole team. There are 15 first team players I’d sell before I sold him but very few of those are interesting the biggest clubs in the world.
I want a total rebuild at arsenal, I want rid of so many failing players. If we only have £40m to spend then we’re just looking at virtually exactly the same team for next season.
If you think £50m is ridiculously low then there should be queues of big clubs lining up to bid that or less this summer trying to nab a bargain?
Norwich wouldn’t have wanted to sell Maddison but they did, for big money and built a better squad that got them promoted. There is a method that can work by selling your best players.

I have no doubt whatsoever that Guendouzi will be worth much, much more than £50m is worth now. That's why I find your moans about us losing money in the transfer market not only ludicrous but hypocritical. Even with an extra £50m we cannot rebuild the whole team. For a start Guendouzi would need replacing. I bet if Arsenal announced his selling price as £50m, there'd be a stampede amongst the world's richest clubs because it's practically a give away price.


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He is an easy target but Emery is not the problem. Has he made mistakes? Definitely. But when you look it all in the bigger picture he was also dealing with a lot of issues that I and possibly others have noted.

It will be a shame to see Ramsey go and if we are honest the money isn't the issue, its the player. If we were able to get a world class player in the same position we would gladly pay the same wage. Ramsey wasn't worth it. I get that. But lets not say its the amount. If Messi decided in some delusional state of mind he wanted to come to The Arsenal and forced a transfer for the same fee, we'd pay it.

And here is some hard truths. If what we know about the transfer budget situation for the summer is true and the fact Kroenke is an absentee owner in both mind and body, things won't get any better. We could be looking at falling lower down the table. We will sell a lot of players this summer and continue to roll the dice hoping the incoming players gel and somehow bring some esprit de corps mentality to the squad. I'm personally hoping we use more of the hungry and talented youth players.

The frustrating thing is the same squad that can win away in Italy in theory a side miles better than Wolves and Leicester can't win away in our own league. We won and kept a clean sheet at Sporting Lisbon and Napoli (as well as another side). And if for some miracle we win the Europa cup, I'm not sure how happy I will be? I am not saying I won't be happy but how much I can't say if this league collapse continues for the next couple games. Anti climatic is possibly a description that may be apropos.

And yes, I'll continue to say it sarcastically "thank you David Dein" for bringing Kroenke (and Usmanov) to The Arsenal. Ultimately the adage you get the club you deserve may apply to the amount of season ticket holders and buyers of merchandise who don't want to 'revolt'.

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Can you imagine if Wenger was kept for this season? Wenger should thank the fates for leaving the way he did. It would have saved him the humiliation of being sacked mid season and there would have been odds at Ladbrokes about who would go first, Mourinho or Wenger.

We have gotten more points than we had all last season with 2 matches to go. Enough said about any questions if Emery is right for the job in lieu of recent results. Frustrating as they are.

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