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Post #497481  Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:38 pm 
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I think Sokratis has been our worst player today, who you don't mention. He and Koscielny left the goalscorer in acres of space.

I agree he has been ordinary. It is just we seem to have this idea that Kos is our saviour. Unfortunately he is part of the problem.

Age has sadly caught up with Koscielny, like Monreal. A fine player alongside Mertesacker, but so far past his peak he now needs to be pensioned off.


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What is Mustafi doing there well out of position.

When is he ever in?

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Looks like we're going to have to win the Europa to get CL football, more importantly money, next season.


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I agree he has been ordinary. It is just we seem to have this idea that Kos is our saviour. Unfortunately he is part of the problem.

Age has sadly caught up with Koscielny, like Monreal. A fine player alongside Mertesacker, but so far past his peak he now needs to be pensioned off.

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Really ? This is what I mean when I say Emery is on a hiding to nothing.

Completely lop sided squad.

a bunch of creative midfielders only good for making sausages out of.

I hope he gets another year and totally dismantles the squad this summer. This is the most mediocre arsenal side for some time.

And if he does not dismantle in the summer? Last week he said Mustafi was a good player.


He doesn’t believe that. Flaying him in public helps nobody


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Irrespective of our performance, once again we have a game decided by a referee.
Still embarrassing from us that we can’t put up more of a fight


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Looks like we're going to have to win the Europa to get CL football, more importantly money, next season.

I have my doubts whether we will get past Valencia on these recent performances. Haven't won home or away since Napoli.

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And if he does not dismantle in the summer? Last week he said Mustafi was a good player.


He doesn’t believe that. Flaying him in public helps nobody

Makes me feel better so that is one, anyone else?

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After reconsidering I think Emery should be sacked.

He's had this team for long enough to make a difference and we look completely *%^@ in every department.


He deserves another year. Bellerin & Holding had taken big steps forward prior to their injury. Lacazette has improved. Bar Liverpool away we've been slightly better against better teams. But he needs to beat Valencia in a big way.

Agree the team looks a mess right now, but it was even worse last year. And, frankly, how many in this squad would you even keep?

Leno, Bellerin, AMN, Sokratis, Holding, Torriera, Xhaka, Özil, Iwobi, Lacazette, Aubameyang, Guendouzi - Maybe Kos, and one of the left backs for a transition period - and some of the kids. Some of those should be squad players at best, and others are projects. We need half a new team.

the rest are mid table level warm bodies at best, and even some of the above are in all honesty at that level.

I want so what an Emery signing looks like and how he wants to shape the team before I write him off. We can all love Pep's vision and tactical genius. But he's never had anything other than brilliant squads and a ton of cash. Let's at least see what Emery can do when the team is q little more his

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Defending simply does not get worse than that. There is something fundamentally wrong with virtually every defender at our club and there has been for 10 years.
You will not see another side in the prem concede a goal from a goal kick like we just did


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And that f%&$#n says it all. A simple long ball and 2 CB's who were shite and a keeper in no mans land. You can add a keeper to the list because that was crap from him.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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He doesn’t believe that. Flaying him in public helps nobody

Makes me feel better so that is one, anyone else?


Chambers
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Mhikitaryan
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Keep Iwobi but I’d loan him next year,

Many who are simply not good enough, when you watch Leicester and are counting players that would walk into your Side you know you hav issues


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And if he does not dismantle in the summer? Last week he said Mustafi was a good player.


He doesn’t believe that. Flaying him in public helps nobody


He keeps trying to drop mustafi, but he's the only one who stays fit!

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Red card or not, we still woulda dropped points ...

Leno really is a great GK though. Shame he has to keep demonstrating that thru lack of defence ... ....


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After reconsidering I think Emery should be sacked.

He's had this team for long enough to make a difference and we look completely *%^@ in every department.

Thats a bit harsh. I will give him until the end of the next transfer window. If Mustafi, Xhaka, Kos and a few others are still at the club I will call for his head.


After an entire season of coaching we can't even defend a goal kick. We are totally *%^@ and look even worse than when Emery took over. Spineless and completely disorganised. Bad tactical decisions, poor team selections, the list is starting to grow and I don't think we should be wasting time with a guy who has made zero improvement to Arsenal over a season.


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It is hard to blame the ref although today he has been poor. But when we had 11 on the field we did sweet FA so it is hard to say we should have won if he had stayed on the field. Just have a look at that last goal. We had a full group of defenders - it is just that they were poor.

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How easy is it to waltz straight through our defence. 10 men or not have some bloody pride in your performance and put the energy in to get back and make a tackle. Utterly embarrassing from Arsenal.

75% of this squad need bombing out of the club based on attitude when the going gets tough. So few of them have the balls for the fight or are willing to do the dirty work.

For starters we need to completely overhaul the physicality of our team. Every single week we are coming up against teams that our muscle and our sprint us in every area of the pitch


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He doesn’t believe that. Flaying him in public helps nobody


He keeps trying to drop mustafi, but he's the only one who stays fit!

True you have a point. This really was a very poor performance from our team. Kos on for the second half and it was probably a worse half than the first.

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3 losses in a row now .... :36angers:


4 losses in 5 when there is so much to play for.

Blood some kids and kick people like Mki, Özil, Kolasinac and Mustafi to the kerb.


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Really *%^@*** *%^@ week. Three awful performances. I really don't think the majority of the team are good enough for anything more than fifth or sixth position. Nine goals conceded in the last three games tells you all you need to know. First time since 1967 we have conceded three goals in three consecutive games. And if Leno had played like he did at Wolves, Leicester could have had five or six. Total lack of effort and application. Really poor from top to bottom of club. No *%^@*** plan on or off the pitch. *%^@*** jokers, all of them. No right back worth playing. Left back is too old and alternative cannot defend. Mustafi is a car crash waiting to happen. Sokratis getting on, Kos too old. Midfield are a bunch of fannies always falling over, rolling around or sh1%%&ng out of tackles. Good job we won't qualify for ECL because we would get well and truly shafted the first time we came up against a half decent team

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
It is hard to blame the ref although today he has been poor. But when we had 11 on the field we did sweet FA so it is hard to say we should have won if he had stayed on the field. Just have a look at that last goal. We had a full group of defenders - it is just that they were poor.

No doubt, I had this marked down as a defeat before the game started. But for a team as flaky as ours when something goes against us we deserved not to have to put up with that sort of decision from Oliver which took any intrigue over how the game might pan out out of the game.

The way in which we totally collapse after the first set back in any game is the biggest problem on the playing side of the club. Totally weak mentally, but will happily pick up their cheque at the end of the month


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That last goal was utterly disgraceful not a tackle to be seen.

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11pm here - chances of peacefully going to sleep with my blood pressure thru the roof - 0.

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After an entire season of coaching we can't even defend a goal kick. We are totally *%^@ and look even worse than when Emery took over. Spineless and completely disorganised. Bad tactical decisions, poor team selections, the list is starting to grow and I don't think we should be wasting time with a guy who has made zero improvement to Arsenal over a season.

You've obviously forgotten how bad we were last season. We have improved, even if not as much as you want.


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After an entire season of coaching we can't even defend a goal kick. We are totally *%^@ and look even worse than when Emery took over. Spineless and completely disorganised. Bad tactical decisions, poor team selections, the list is starting to grow and I don't think we should be wasting time with a guy who has made zero improvement to Arsenal over a season.

You've obviously forgotten how bad we were last season. We have improved, even if not as much as you want.

Marginally Bernard. The Valencia game is a huge test, I looked at some of their recent results and they are impressive.

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After reconsidering I think Emery should be sacked.

He's had this team for long enough to make a difference and we look completely *%^@ in every department.


He deserves another year. Bellerin & Holding had taken big steps forward prior to their injury. Lacazette has improved. Bar Liverpool away we've been slightly better against better teams. But he needs to beat Valencia in a big way.

Agree the team looks a mess right now, but it was even worse last year. And, frankly, how many in this squad would you even keep?

Leno, Bellerin, AMN, Sokratis, Holding, Torriera, Xhaka, Özil, Iwobi, Lacazette, Aubameyang, Guendouzi - Maybe Kos, and one of the left backs for a transition period - and some of the kids. Some of those should be squad players at best, and others are projects. We need half a new team.

the rest are mid table level warm bodies at best, and even some of the above are in all honesty at that level.

I want so what an Emery signing looks like and how he wants to shape the team before I write him off. We can all love Pep's vision and tactical genius. But he's never had anything other than brilliant squads and a ton of cash. Let's at least see what Emery can do when the team is q little more his

Only ones worth building a new team with are Leno, Niles, Guendouzi, Holding and Aubameyang. Rest are average. Torreira not convinced by either. Major surgery needed. Needs physical players who can play away from home.

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Bernard wrote:
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After an entire season of coaching we can't even defend a goal kick. We are totally *%^@ and look even worse than when Emery took over. Spineless and completely disorganised. Bad tactical decisions, poor team selections, the list is starting to grow and I don't think we should be wasting time with a guy who has made zero improvement to Arsenal over a season.

You've obviously forgotten how bad we were last season. We have improved, even if not as much as you want.


I didn't watch the last season of Wenger and think I'm wasting my time with Emery as well. Marginal improvement in points tally which is little more than a statistical blip but the same old Wenger team weaknesses are there for all to see.


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It is painful watching Arsenal. Too many overrated players who are simply not at the level needed.

I thought Xhaka just stood and watched as Tielemans ran in from outside the box to score with the header. He was the nearest man and should have tracked his run, instead he just absolved himself of the responsibility.

Leicester were simply better than us in every area, even before the sending off, and that is a sad reflection of where we are.

What happened to the days when a sending off would have resulted in a rallying of the troops and several 8 or 9 out of 10 performances. Would any player, Leno apart, get more than a 7 today?


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Bernard wrote:
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After an entire season of coaching we can't even defend a goal kick. We are totally *%^@ and look even worse than when Emery took over. Spineless and completely disorganised. Bad tactical decisions, poor team selections, the list is starting to grow and I don't think we should be wasting time with a guy who has made zero improvement to Arsenal over a season.

You've obviously forgotten how bad we were last season. We have improved, even if not as much as you want.


The points tally says we have but the last 3 games have been every bit as bad as those in the Wenger days.


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You've obviously forgotten how bad we were last season. We have improved, even if not as much as you want.


I didn't watch the last season of Wenger and think I'm wasting my time with Emery as well. Marginal improvement in points tally which is little more than a statistical blip but the same old Wenger team weaknesses are there for all to see.

Emery has done as well as he could with the players he inherited. He has some good results we probably would not have had under late AW against Spurs (h & a); Utd (h & a); Chelsea at home and Liverpool at home. Also got to include the win over Napoli which was a great result over the two legs. He's done fantastically well at the Emirates with two more big results needed at home against Brighton and Valencia.

He's tried away from home but we have been awful on the road bar the point at Spurs and we should have won at Old Trafford.

Wenger's last season away from home was also awful.

Basically, two managers have failed to make the team competitive away from home so it is clearly an issue with the players we have in the team rather than the coach.

We need a bit of excitement now which means Emery being given the tools to bring in new players and utterly dismantle this team. I can take 5th or 6th if I see a young team progressing with a new, exciting approach rather than the same old sheight served up by this bunch who lack the determination and nous to play away to some of the lower lights of the English Premier League.

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I didn't watch the last season of Wenger and think I'm wasting my time with Emery as well. Marginal improvement in points tally which is little more than a statistical blip but the same old Wenger team weaknesses are there for all to see.

Emery has done as well as he could with the players he inherited. He has some good results we probably would not have had under late AW against Spurs (h & a); Utd (h & a); Chelsea at home and Liverpool at home. Also got to include the win over Napoli which was a great result over the two legs. He's done fantastically well at the Emirates with two more big results needed at home against Brighton and Valencia.

He's tried away from home but we have been awful on the road bar the point at Spurs and we should have won at Old Trafford.

Wenger's last season away from home was also awful.

Basically, two managers have failed to make the team competitive away from home so it is clearly an issue with the players we have in the team rather than the coach.

We need a bit of excitement now which means Emery being given the tools to bring in new players and utterly dismantle this team. I can take 5th or 6th if I see a young team progressing with a new, exciting approach rather than the same old sheight served up by this bunch who lack the determination and nous to play away to some of the lower lights of the English Premier League.


Agree 100% with all of this.

To all the people complaining about Emery must be ignoring our progress. We look much better in big games than we did before but eventually our squad size and quality will let us down.

Iwobi doesn’t get in the first 11 of palace,wolves or Leicester yet he’s played more than most of our players this year.

No top 4 club would have Xhaka in midfield (he looked *%^@ again today)

We need to admit some of these players have had their chance and I would love to see more of willock in the last 2 games.

Time to follow the klopp model. Try youngsters, remove the over paid elder players clearly in their comfort zone and start afresh.

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Not to pick on him because he’s nowhere near the worst but Guendouzi for that 3rd goal was pathetic. Dribbled last twice far too easy.

Bernard, it’s not the first time I’ve seen him done for pace or not tracked a runner defensively. It’s these things that concern me a bit about Guendouzi because for a top end midfielder these things should be naturally ingrained in you as a professional well before you are 19

I’m not saying I want Guendouzi to leave but I am saying that given £50-60m I would sell him. I fear for any player in our team without pace because the prem is more and more about pace!


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Ramsey’s injury cost us dearly and I bet Emery now regrets not trying to keep him.

I’d literally hand Ramsey Xhakas salary as a pay rise and play maitland niles next to him instead


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Not to pick on him because he’s nowhere near the worst but Guendouzi for that 3rd goal was pathetic. Dribbled last twice far too easy.

Bernard, it’s not the first time I’ve seen him done for pace or not tracked a runner defensively. It’s these things that concern me a bit about Guendouzi because for a top end midfielder these things should be naturally ingrained in you as a professional well before you are 19

I’m not saying I want Guendouzi to leave but I am saying that given £50-60m I would sell him. I fear for any player in our team without pace because the prem is more and more about pace!

I wouldn't sell Guendouzi, I saw so much potential in him in the game at the Ethiad that it would be madness to let him go. Yes he has made some mistakes but he brings an energy and a likeable passion to the team that could be invaluable going forward. I only caught a replay of the 3rd goal but there were 3-4 players culpable there, not one of them tried to actually tackle the opponent.

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Not to pick on him because he’s nowhere near the worst but Guendouzi for that 3rd goal was pathetic. Dribbled last twice far too easy.

Bernard, it’s not the first time I’ve seen him done for pace or not tracked a runner defensively. It’s these things that concern me a bit about Guendouzi because for a top end midfielder these things should be naturally ingrained in you as a professional well before you are 19

I’m not saying I want Guendouzi to leave but I am saying that given £50-60m I would sell him. I fear for any player in our team without pace because the prem is more and more about pace!


I think Guendozi in his own is fine but you have Xhaka next to him. I couldn’t advocate selling the youngster whilst we have mustafi el nenny and xhaka on our books !!


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Ramsey’s injury cost us dearly and I bet Emery now regrets not trying to keep him.

I’d literally hand Ramsey Xhakas salary as a pay rise and play mainland miles next to him instead

I think Hodd's post recently explained that well. At some stage the club has to stop being held to ransom. Unfortunately it is Ramsey and he'll be a hard act to replace but that nonsense had to stop.

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Week in,week out, our final ball cannot find our own player. What does Emery practice with the squad? Oh, I forgot ..... our attacking players were training against our shite defence. No wonder Emery thought Iwobi and Mkhitaryan are excellent players.

When will you sort it out? The team is mentally weak. Lacazette is just like Giroud, falling over and grimacing and complaining all the time. Referees get tired of it and you will not get the benefit of their call.

Something is wrong with Aubameyang. I think he will request to leave this summer.

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OGS was right. We were going to bottle it. It's painful but if one can step away emotionally and be objective, Emery has done well considering everything. The bad news is if the rumors about money are true, it won't get any better. Emery has to be thinking 'what have I got myself into?'. If he were to go, we don't have the status anymore to bring in a top top manager. We can't offer money for transfers. Allegri's main reason for not coming. We will be one of those clubs with a history but no recent success. So the managers we would get are the ones that have done well at a smaller club and trying to step up to a bigger club. The Zindanes, etc. are not a reality for us. 2004 or 2005 we could pretty much get just about any manager. Now? No way.

Where is the on pitch leadership? We don't have an Adams or Vieira type of leadership any longer. Is Kos respected like that? I don't know.

This squad only gets up for Europa. They don't want to put in the work required to get into the CL proper. I'm not even interested in the City or Man Utd vs Chelsea game anymore. Why bother?

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Ramsey’s injury cost us dearly and I bet Emery now regrets not trying to keep him.

I’d literally hand Ramsey Xhakas salary as a pay rise and play mainland miles next to him instead

I think Hodd's post recently explained that well. At some stage the club has to stop being held to ransom. Unfortunately it is Ramsey and he'll be a hard act to replace but that nonsense had to stop.

I totally agree and I’m not againest us deciding withdraw our offer but it’s just ironic that we missed him so much recently and he’s clearly been our best player


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