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Post #503321  Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:17 pm 
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I’m not sure about that unless you have heard otherwise ?

I heard he has been discarded because he walked out of a home appearance when he arrived at the ground to find out he was on the bench so left. That’s unacceptable behaviour and by all means fine him but at the end of the day even with his lethargic demeanour he’s still one of best first 11 players. I don’t believe it his choice to be dropped from all these games.

On the contract yes it was daft. It runs until 2021 and even if we sell him we will probably end up paying half his wages until then. What I don’t get is how these clubs don’t have gross misconduct clauses in these contracts to null them if the players start acting up.


I don’t know TG, but I think Özil has quite cynically made himself un-selectable. What Manager is going to pick a player who refuses even to turn up if he isn’t in the starting eleven? To select a player who’s prepared to issue that sort of ultimatum would be suicide for any Coach.

I don’t know, but I strongly suspect that Özil is quite satisfied with the current impasse – it’s largely of his own making, remember. I think he’s disenchanted with football generally, as evidenced by his self-proclaimed melt-down into martyrdom at the hands of the German FA, which he seemed to carry into his season with us. And there’s a fair parallel between the quality of his performances for Germany and for us. He didn’t like it when the Bernards called him out for lack of effort and he didn’t like it when the same thing happened over here. There was that time he was subbed – can’t recall against whom but as usual, it was because he was playing like a turd – and he took fully 2 minutes to trudge off. Face like a smacked arse. ‘Everyone’s against me’ – well, yes mate, they will be when you can’t be arsed to make any sort of effort to influence the game.

Özil is going to make £40m before his contract with us expires. Just think of that for a moment. Forty MILLION quid. For going through the motions at training and tweeting how happy he is to be a gooner. Never mind un-selectable, he's also made himself un-sellable; who the hell will buy him? And that's arguably a similarly cynical though far more lucrative achievement.

I think he’s angling for a juicy cash offer so that his contract can be cancelled - worked a treat for Jose Mourinho. Turkey beckons for 'em both.


It’s just staggering DHD

What I would say is that after last summer when he was attacked by the German media and footballing community and promptly retired with that ridiculous sob story (the most Özil thing of all time) he clearly had something to prove and an opportuntiy to prove doubters wrong, isn’t it just it soo “Özil” to follow it up with what’s gone on this season.

The bonkers thing was we passed up the opportunity to resign Cesc because we had him and if we had he would never have been offered that ridiculous contract because as far as I’m concerned Fabregas is twice the player he was


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Post #503322  Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:26 pm 
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Fabregas is twice the player



Agree wholeheartedly TG


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Post #503323  Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 4:49 pm 
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My top ten arsenal midfielders of all time. (Doesn’t include players that could be considered wingers e.g merse or overmars)

In order

1) Patrick Vieira (the king)
2) Liam Brady
3) Cesc Fabregas (will anger some but it’s my list)
4) Emmanuel Petitt
5) David Rocastle
6) Steve Williams (why did George sell him, he seemed a very George player)
7) Paul Davis (criminally under rated I thought)
8) Mickey Thomas (I’m so tempted to put him higher but he could be such a lazy git sometimes but that was the conundrum about him as a player )
9) The invisible wall
10) Kevin Richardson (that was another odd transfer, wins a title and puff he’s gone to Spain,)

There will be plenty on honourable mentions potentially for Alan Ball (a favourite of my dads ) and others but this was aimed at players in my arsenal supporting era


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Post #503324  Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:09 pm 
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Oh you just knew it!

It’s that *%^@*** stupid team with the 2 left backs and Mustafi in it,

Well do them anyway but ffs


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Post #503325  Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:12 pm 
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My top ten arsenal midfielders of all time. (Doesn’t include players that could be considered wingers e.g merse or overmars)

In order

1) Patrick Vieira (the king)
2) Liam Brady
3) Cesc Fabregas (will anger some but it’s my list)
4) Emmanuel Petitt
5) David Rocastle
6) Steve Williams (why did George sell him, he seemed a very George player)
7) Paul Davis (criminally under rated I thought)
8) Mickey Thomas (I’m so tempted to put him higher but he could be such a lazy git sometimes but that was the conundrum about him as a player )
9) The invisible wall
10) Kevin Richardson (that was another odd transfer, wins a title and puff he’s gone to Spain,)

There will be plenty on honourable mentions potentially for Alan Ball (a favourite of my dads ) and others but this was aimed at players in my arsenal supporting era


I’d probably have to consider George Eastham, Stroller and Alan Hudson but PV4 would always be head and shoulders above them all. Liam and Cesc would be scrapping for second, albeit a distance behind.


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Post #503326  Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:19 pm 
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Chance to test a new formation but he goes with the same crap. Maybe he values the Europa more than the league?

1Cech
20Mustafi
6Koscielny
18Monreal
15Maitland-Niles
29Guendouzi
34Xhaka
31Kolasinac
7Mkhitaryan
9Lacazette
17Iwobi

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4Elneny
11Torreira
12Lichtsteiner
14Aubameyang
19Leno
22D Suárez
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Post #503327  Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:27 pm 
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If Özil was making himself unavailable for selection the club would make up some bogus back injury as an excuse. It's pretty obvious that Emery just doesn't want him on his team. He was on the bench at City and Emery chose to bring on Denis Suarez. He left him out against Bournemouth because of their physicality. In other games it's been due to "tactical" reasons.

He doesn't really fancy Ramsey either. Iwobi and Kolasinac are more to his liking.

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Post #503328  Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:49 pm 
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If Özil was making himself unavailable for selection the club would make up some bogus back injury as an excuse. It's pretty obvious that Emery just doesn't want him on his team. He was on the bench at City and Emery chose to bring on Denis Suarez. He left him out against Bournemouth because of their physicality. In other games it's been due to "tactical" reasons.

He doesn't really fancy Ramsey either. Iwobi and Kolasinac are more to his liking.

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I think your right it’s not Özil making himself unavailable it’s Emery and probably the board working to make Ozils position untenable.

I’m not sure it’s a case he likes Iwobi and Kola more, in fact I think he doesn’t like many of this squad to be honest. He’s got Hobson’s choice but he should have played Suarez today and the decision to loan Nelson and even ESR looks *%^@*** ridiculous right now. Just look at that bench. No pace no incision


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Post #503329  Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 5:57 pm 
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My top ten arsenal midfielders of all time. (Doesn’t include players that could be considered wingers e.g merse or overmars)

In order

1) Patrick Vieira (the king)
2) Liam Brady
3) Cesc Fabregas (will anger some but it’s my list)
4) Emmanuel Petitt
5) David Rocastle
6) Steve Williams (why did George sell him, he seemed a very George player)
7) Paul Davis (criminally under rated I thought)
8) Mickey Thomas (I’m so tempted to put him higher but he could be such a lazy git sometimes but that was the conundrum about him as a player )
9) The invisible wall
10) Kevin Richardson (that was another odd transfer, wins a title and puff he’s gone to Spain,)

There will be plenty on honourable mentions potentially for Alan Ball (a favourite of my dads ) and others but this was aimed at players in my arsenal supporting era

Wot? No Peter Storey? :42laughter:

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Post #503330  Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:04 pm 
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TOP GUN wrote:
My top ten arsenal midfielders of all time. (Doesn’t include players that could be considered wingers e.g merse or overmars)

In order

1) Patrick Vieira (the king)
2) Liam Brady
3) Cesc Fabregas (will anger some but it’s my list)
4) Emmanuel Petitt
5) David Rocastle
6) Steve Williams (why did George sell him, he seemed a very George player)
7) Paul Davis (criminally under rated I thought)
8) Mickey Thomas (I’m so tempted to put him higher but he could be such a lazy git sometimes but that was the conundrum about him as a player )
9) The invisible wall
10) Kevin Richardson (that was another odd transfer, wins a title and puff he’s gone to Spain,)

There will be plenty on honourable mentions potentially for Alan Ball (a favourite of my dads ) and others but this was aimed at players in my arsenal supporting era

Wot? No Peter Storey? :42laughter:

Or John Jenson! Great goal that one !


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Post #503331  Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:28 pm 
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Post #503332  Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:38 pm 
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The game plan worse..................


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Post #503333  Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2019 6:41 pm 
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Watching the Arse these days is fecking tedious.


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This rubbish is doubly painful having watched Spurs destroy Dortmund last night.


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Is there any team on this planet that couldn't score against us :laughing7:

I reckon Islington girls under 7's would knock a few past us.


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If it ends level or a goal down I think we’ll be fine at the Emirates. Well we’ll get through, fine is clearly pushing it way too far...

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Is there any team on this planet that couldn't score against us :laughing7:

I reckon Islington girls under 7's would knock a few past us.


Their centre forward has moved up to adult size 1 in shoes though so it’s not a fair contest, and don’t get me started on the financial doping in Haribo StarMix div 2.

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Laboured.

Tedious.

Clueless.

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We'll win the home leg








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Let's hope that's rock bottom.....................


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That was the footballing equivalent of painting by numbers.

Tedious, predictable, formulaic and certainly not going to produce a masterpiece.

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holy *%^@ its diabolical !

Basically Emery has placed our entire season on Iwobi and Mhikitaryan and their ability to unlock defences

it wont happen.

We will win the second leg but those 2 guys won't do it against anyone decent

I have zero criticism for Lacazette at all. World class finisher looking at the shod next to him i'd have clubbed a baby kitten to death by now.

I understand not liking Özil Emery but at the cost of your job?

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Have to admire Özil - not often I'd say this but he's played a blinder. Stared them out over his contract and Arse blinked first. They should've known. All those 'backaches' and 'sicknesses', not to mention the phoned-in performances.

He's lost interest in football. Just in it for the money now and doesn't seem to care whether he plays or not. Best of luck moving on that sort of player.

The only man to date to have made more money out of Arsenal than Silent Stan. Chinese football awaits surely.

I'd say he has a bit to go before his bank balance matches Wenger's courtesy of Arsenal.


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holy *%^@ its diabolical !

Basically Emery has placed our entire season on Iwobi and Mhikitaryan and their ability to unlock defences

it wont happen.

We will win the second leg but those 2 guys won't do it against anyone decent

I have zero criticism for Lacazette at all. World class finisher looking at the shod next to him i'd have clubbed a baby kitten to death by now.

I understand not liking Özil Emery but at the cost of your job?

please end this season now


How long before Lacazette and Aubamayang start looking towards Manchester or other locales with 'big' clubs? This summer most likely...


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i do think one of the problems with Emery is his english

Not because he can't speak it but because he clearly can't articulate how frustrated he is. Imagine Mourinho or any other manager at this point. Eggs are out of baskets, state the friggin obvious, chuck the board under a bus.

i'm not sure if Emery is a good manager anymore (this is what Kroenke banks on) but I am sure he will never get the chance he needed


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holy *%^@ its diabolical !

Basically Emery has placed our entire season on Iwobi and Mhikitaryan and their ability to unlock defences

it wont happen.

We will win the second leg but those 2 guys won't do it against anyone decent

I have zero criticism for Lacazette at all. World class finisher looking at the shod next to him i'd have clubbed a baby kitten to death by now.

I understand not liking Özil Emery but at the cost of your job?

please end this season now


How long before Lacazette and Aubamayang start looking towards Manchester or other locales with 'big' clubs? This summer most likely...


Lacazette has been doing the whole Cesc/RVP stare thing all season. He's pissed off clearly.

The other players aren't on his level and I would even suggest he's as good as Aubu


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Can't see how he could have made a worse start to his Arsenal career. He imo realised he couldn't do anything with the squad and
saw they weren't interested in investing.

Imo he's playing their game. Get the team closer to the half way mark and they'll start sweating and reconsider financing the next chapter.

Even AW's worst prodigee could have done better. Problem is h doesn't realise how gutted we are.............


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How long before Lacazette and Aubamayang start looking towards Manchester or other locales with 'big' clubs? This summer most likely...


Lacazette has been doing the whole Cesc/RVP stare thing all season. He's pissed off clearly.

The other players aren't on his level and I would even suggest he's as good as Aubu


Lacazette is only 27... would rather we keep him but should he be sold, I'd be disappointed if we don't get at least 75m for him. That should allow Emery to buy a couple of decent players to strengthen the squad.


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Can't see how he could have made a worse start to his Arsenal career. He imo realised he couldn't do anything with the squad and
saw they weren't interested in investing.

Imo he's playing their game. Get the team closer to the half way mark and they'll start sweating and reconsider financing the next chapter.

Even AW's worst prodigee could have done better. Problem is h doesn't realise how gutted we are.............

Your talking *%^@ as usual

He’s done better than Wenger in the league and clearly it’s better than last year. He might be playing a certain card but apart from involving 2 players who are leaving the club anyway clearly you can’t criticise.

You talk non stop nonsense


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I know it's way too early to write him off, but I thought Suarez was supposed to be a skillful midget. I've seen precious little skill so far. Frustratingly ineffective. I accept I might be being unfair, but he makes Özil at his worst look good. At this point I can see why Barcelona wanted rid of him.


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I know it's way too early to write him off, but I thought Suarez was supposed to be a skillful midget. I've seen precious little skill so far. Frustratingly ineffective. I accept I might be being unfair, but he makes Özil at his worst look good. At this point I can see why Barcelona wanted rid of him.

I expected nothing from him when he signed and since he looks bog average in his 3 sub performances. Imagine playing 20 million outright for him. Your right he’s totally ineffective

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Another game I didn't bother to watch and sounds like a wise decision.

We are only just scratching the surface of the new levels of utter crapness that will become the norm under the Kroenke regime I feel.

Boring, boring Arsenal.

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Apparently that was Bate's first game in 9 weeks.....


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Switch on my tele, watched a bit, then decided to sleep instead. Why do we continue to be so laboured in our ways? Is Wenger our secret coach? Poor Emery adopted sh@t and don't know how to deal with it anymore.

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Reminds me of those good ol' days under Wenger :1laughter:

Has Emery lost the dressing room?


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Fans singing "we've got our Arsenal back" in homage to the worst performances of the past decade.


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Can't see how he could have made a worse start to his Arsenal career. He imo realised he couldn't do anything with the squad and
saw they weren't interested in investing.

Imo he's playing their game. Get the team closer to the half way mark and they'll start sweating and reconsider financing the next chapter.

Even AW's worst prodigee could have done better. Problem is h doesn't realise how gutted we are.............

Your talking *%^@ as usual

He’s done better than Wenger in the league and clearly it’s better than last year. He might be playing a certain card but apart from involving 2 players who are leaving the club anyway clearly you can’t criticise.

You talk non stop nonsense


I remember the last time you said that. One Alexi Sanchez was the greatest as far as you were concerned. You will eat your words punk.

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Yet more eveidence that this squad needs totally ripping apart and starting again. I think there is only 8 or so of this squad is keep. It just reeks of mediocrity in every position.


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