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Post #480441  Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:10 pm 
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Lyon CEO Aulas has confirmed the Lacazette deal will go through in the next couple of days for a fee between 45-50m euro.


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Lyon CEO Aulas has confirmed the Lacazette deal will go through in the next couple of days for a fee between 45-50m euro.

Good news, we need more options up front.

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Lyon CEO Aulas has confirmed the Lacazette deal will go through in the next couple of days for a fee between 45-50m euro.

Good news, we need more options up front.

There's lots of talk about Mahrez too, although Ox looks like he is on the way out

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Good news, we need more options up front.

There's lots of talk about Mahrez too, although Ox looks like he is on the way out


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Magic no tears shed here , the Ox is like a locomotive speeding back and forth on a siding ..... plenty of energy but f**&^% all end product . What would be wonderful if we could offer Walcott as a combo deal .

Not sure about Mahrez watched one game where he looked totally disinterested and ineffectual , was he just riding the crest of the wave during Leicester's championship season .....?

There was some little dude playing on the wing for Ghana the other day , speedy , skilful we could probably get him for 3 million pounds and four hundred green shield stamps ...more of an Arsene purchase


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Jeez Hoy that will put some interest into the forum with a guessing game on the surname. I don't mind that quote being very anti monarch myself. I recall a time in my early 20s when God Save the Queen was still the national anthem of Oz and I refused to stand at a function. One person seated in 200 drew some comment.
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Lacazette should be a good signing because he's pacy with good movement and a very good finisher. I don't think he's at the elite level of strikers but given our current circumstances he's probably close to being as good as we could have realistically expected to get.

I'm a bit like Wilts-Gooner on this though, if he's in addition to Alexis then he's potentially a great signing, if he's instead of Alexis then I'm not sure where it leaves us. We might have actually gone slightly backwards.

I really like Mahrez and hope we sign him but I'm not sure how both him and Özil would work in the same team. Both very lightweight defensively.


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Good on you. You know as much about football as Dame Edna, but I admire your republicanism. Off with their heads!


OMOH's surname is Tudor?


I'm putting my money on Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld :icon_mrgreen:

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Lacazette should be a good signing because he's pacy with good movement and a very good finisher. I don't think he's at the elite level of strikers but given our current circumstances he's probably close to being as good as we could have realistically expected to get.

I'm a bit like Wilts-Gooner on this though, if he's in addition to Alexis then he's potentially a great signing, if he's instead of Alexis then I'm not sure where it leaves us. We might have actually gone slightly backwards.

I really like Mahrez and hope we sign him but I'm not sure how both him and Özil would work in the same team. Both very lightweight defensively.


Possibly a big if, but if we manage to keep Sanchez and with this signing and one of the wingers we are chasing (be it Mahrez or the Monaco winger), then what formation? There are some players who 'must' start.

This may be less of an issue since we will conceivably have a lot of matches and will need to rotate. The Europa league (still getting used to saying that with the Arsenal in the same sentence) will add more matches, then the domestic cups.

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Lacazette will be an interesting signing for me. He has some positives but I am concerned about how he will be fed the ball. France prefer Giroud and I wonder if in fact that in the EPL he will find it a lot more challenging as he will not have the time he currently has in France. He may well step up but I agree with the comments that he is not top class. It may very well be feast or famine with this player and he is not a replacement for Alexis.

As for Mahrez, I am not a fan. I think he is a slight upgrade on Theo but he does not chase back to defend and last year he was poor in the matches I watched on TV. I am concerned that other managers have sorted him out and he may have been a one season wonder.

The Ox - I suspect other managers may get more out of him. I think he will listen to people who want to improve him and he wants to get better.

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AmericanGooner wrote:
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Lacazette should be a good signing because he's pacy with good movement and a very good finisher. I don't think he's at the elite level of strikers but given our current circumstances he's probably close to being as good as we could have realistically expected to get.

I'm a bit like Wilts-Gooner on this though, if he's in addition to Alexis then he's potentially a great signing, if he's instead of Alexis then I'm not sure where it leaves us. We might have actually gone slightly backwards.

I really like Mahrez and hope we sign him but I'm not sure how both him and Özil would work in the same team. Both very lightweight defensively.


Possibly a big if, but if we manage to keep Sanchez and with this signing and one of the wingers we are chasing (be it Mahrez or the Monaco winger), then what formation? There are some players who 'must' start.

This may be less of an issue since we will conceivably have a lot of matches and will need to rotate. The Europa league (still getting used to saying that with the Arsenal in the same sentence) will add more matches, then the domestic cups.


Hi AG,

It seems like Alexis has been sworn to secrecy over his intentions. That usually happens when a player is being allowed to leave but the selling club wishes to get replacements in first before an announcement is made. Plus, any club we are negotiating with will drive the price up even more if they know we have an extra £50m in the kitty from the Alexis sale and are desperate to make signings.


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AmericanGooner wrote:
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Lacazette should be a good signing because he's pacy with good movement and a very good finisher. I don't think he's at the elite level of strikers but given our current circumstances he's probably close to being as good as we could have realistically expected to get.

I'm a bit like Wilts-Gooner on this though, if he's in addition to Alexis then he's potentially a great signing, if he's instead of Alexis then I'm not sure where it leaves us. We might have actually gone slightly backwards.

I really like Mahrez and hope we sign him but I'm not sure how both him and Özil would work in the same team. Both very lightweight defensively.


Possibly a big if, but if we manage to keep Sanchez and with this signing and one of the wingers we are chasing (be it Mahrez or the Monaco winger), then what formation? There are some players who 'must' start.

This may be less of an issue since we will conceivably have a lot of matches and will need to rotate. The Europa league (still getting used to saying that with the Arsenal in the same sentence) will add more matches, then the domestic cups.


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Lacazette will be an interesting signing for me. He has some positives but I am concerned about how he will be fed the ball. France prefer Giroud and I wonder if in fact that in the EPL he will find it a lot more challenging as he will not have the time he currently has in France. He may well step up but I agree with the comments that he is not top class. It may very well be feast or famine with this player and he is not a replacement for Alexis.

As for Mahrez, I am not a fan. I think he is a slight upgrade on Theo but he does not chase back to defend and last year he was poor in the matches I watched on TV. I am concerned that other managers have sorted him out and he may have been a one season wonder.

I've found it strange that the French manager prefers Giroud to Lacazette, whereas if the stories about Giroud being released to either West Ham or Everton are true, Wenger has the opposite opinion. I don't associate the French style of play with lobbing high crosses in the area and while Giroud does have other qualities like his control and laying off of passes, they're what I associate with a slightly more direct approach. I thus wonder if Lacazette may be better suited to Arsenal than Giroud. Although as I associate France's style more with Arsenal's, that does raise the question of why Giroud comes above Lacazette in the pecking order for their country?

Like you I have some doubts about Mahrez. He's extremely gifted, but strikes me as a bit milky. He can be excellent as we saw in 2015/16 but often disappears from games as in 2016/17. Some used to moan about Özil's tendency to decorate rather than dominate games. I suspect that issue could well be raised to an even greater extent if Mahrez joins. Is Mahrez being signed, if he is, to replace Özil or play with him? If it's the latter, might Wenger see him in a more central role to replace Cazorla? After all, Cazorla started in a wider position before being moved to the centre. If so perhaps it could be the making of Mahrez, or it might be a nail in his coffin at the club. We'll have to wait and see, I suppose.

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socrates wrote:
Lacazette should be a good signing because he's pacy with good movement and a very good finisher. I don't think he's at the elite level of strikers but given our current circumstances he's probably close to being as good as we could have realistically expected to get.

Agree with this. I'm not sure Lacazette is even a better overall player than Giroud, but his qualities are more suited to the type of football we should be playing.

There are certainly question marks about him, and he's not world class. I like him better than the likes of Lukaku and Morata though, especially since they would cost substantially more.


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With regards to the French national team, I think there is sometimes a bias against players from smaller clubs. I remember Phil Neville complaining about the fact that when he was a backup player at Man Utd he was consistently called up England squads, but when he went to Everton and became a starter he was rarely picked for England.*

Just one of several possible reasons. Giroud is a good player who has often played very well for France, which is probably the main reason.

*A very good argument can be made that Phil Neville should never have been called up for international duty in the first place but that's beside the point.


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Hmm...so its likely Sanchez is off then? If so, I just hope its not City or any other EPL side. There are reasons other than money for players to leave. RvP wanted a title. I've got to think that part of Sanchez's reasons are the lack of fight in the side throughout the season and not wanting to kill himself on the pitch alongside players who didn't want it badly enough. The last dozen matches excepted.

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Logic may dictate that given a choice, Mahrez over Lemar for reasons obvious and perhaps not so obvious but I actually like Lemar more. Mahrez can fit in immediately as he is already well experienced in the EPL and knows what it takes to win titles. Its a huge advantage over Lemar. Also, he is in his prime at 26.

I like Lemar though a wee bit more. A bit more dynamic for my taste. Plus at 21, who knows how good he can get?

Will I be upset if we end up with Mahrez? Obviously I'd 'loov it' (channeling my inner Keegan). I just happen to be more excited seeing Lemar. But its like saying I enjoy Henry over Berkgamp...and I love Bergkamp to bits.

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Too much news going around. Too much speculation. I'll get excited, or not, when transfers in/out are confirmed. With Sead's incoming :26encouragement: , I'm excited

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Hi Aussie Gooners, I'm just about to finish my vacation week in beautiful Cairns. Lovely city, so much fun stuff to do. :6encouragement:

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It seems like Alexis has been sworn to secrecy over his intentions. That usually happens when a player is being allowed to leave but the selling club wishes to get replacements in first before an announcement is made. Plus, any club we are negotiating with will drive the price up even more if they know we have an extra £50m in the kitty from the Alexis sale and are desperate to make signings.


This is most likely so when you think about it, the club would probably factor this in too, that if Sanchez is going we have basically just replaced him with an inferior player, so in order to improve the team we simply have to improve other areas, basically what I'm saying is it is nigh on impossible to replace him with a player as good so we have to replace him with 2 (or 3) players that are closer to his level than the existing one's at the club.

This begs the question who's place is under threat from our first choice line up from last season?, I am not especially keen on Mahrez for the reasons others have already said, plus isn't he a bit too similar to Özil?, unless of course he is Özil's replacement!. Assuming we stick to 3 at the back there are limited places for 'attacking' players, this is why I think Ox might go as Ramsey/Xhaka was first choice in CM and Ox doesn't want to play as a utility man.

Back to Mahrez - if we do sign him where does this leave Walcott? - he's got to go surely. Wenger has always preached about 'evolution' rather than 'revolution' but I can't help thinking this summer we need the latter, there are just too many issues that need resolving for a little bit of tinkering to be enough.

Out - Walcott £20M, Giroud £20M, Ox £25M
Debuchy £0, Jenkinson £0 , Elneny £5M , Ospina £5M

£75M

In - Lacazette £50M..

So we are already +£25M if we get rid of this lot, big ask but it needs doing, the time for tinkering is over!.

P.S I would keep Wilshere purely as he's homegrown and has a passion for the club, he would have to accept back up status though, Szczesny I would keep as well but this doesn't look likely which I find odd.

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I'd love to find a place for Wilshere as well. He is talented and he's passionate. We need those types of intangibles. If or when Sanchez leaves, we will get a huge fee. We were a bit over-reliant on him. He will be a huge loss both skill wise and emotionally. However, it also presents an opportunity to make the squad more balanced. A more than decent lead striker for the first time since RvP left. If we can get a couple high level wingers on either side, Sanchez's loss may turn out to be a good thing long term IF we can replace the goals, and have those goals spread out across the attack.
Ideally, I'd love to keep Sanchez but if we can't we have to make the best of his leaving.

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It seems like Alexis has been sworn to secrecy over his intentions. That usually happens when a player is being allowed to leave but the selling club wishes to get replacements in first before an announcement is made. Plus, any club we are negotiating with will drive the price up even more if they know we have an extra £50m in the kitty from the Alexis sale and are desperate to make signings.


This is most likely so when you think about it, the club would probably factor this in too, that if Sanchez is going we have basically just replaced him with an inferior player, so in order to improve the team we simply have to improve other areas, basically what I'm saying is it is nigh on impossible to replace him with a player as good so we have to replace him with 2 (or 3) players that are closer to his level than the existing one's at the club.

This begs the question who's place is under threat from our first choice line up from last season?, I am not especially keen on Mahrez for the reasons others have already said, plus isn't he a bit too similar to Özil?, unless of course he is Özil's replacement!. Assuming we stick to 3 at the back there are limited places for 'attacking' players, this is why I think Ox might go as Ramsey/Xhaka was first choice in CM and Ox doesn't want to play as a utility man.

Back to Mahrez - if we do sign him where does this leave Walcott? - he's got to go surely. Wenger has always preached about 'evolution' rather than 'revolution' but I can't help thinking this summer we need the latter, there are just too many issues that need resolving for a little bit of tinkering to be enough.

Out - Walcott £20M, Giroud £20M, Ox £25M
Debuchy £0, Jenkinson £0 , Elneny £5M , Ospina £5M

£75M

In - Lacazette £50M..

So we are already +£25M if we get rid of this lot, big ask but it needs doing, the time for tinkering is over!.

P.S I would keep Wilshere purely as he's homegrown and has a passion for the club, he would have to accept back up status though, Szczesny I would keep as well but this doesn't look likely which I find odd.

I think it's too soon to write off Elneny, who has some useful qualities and deserves at least another season. I think his value is a lot higher than £5 million as well. The rest I'd have no problem with - ship em out.


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I also think, very sadly, that Wilshere should be surplus to requirements. Any decent fee offered we should take. I think it looks like he will never reach his potential. Being a through the ranks player and one who looked the real deal, I sincerely hope I'm wrong on that.


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socrates wrote:
Lacazette should be a good signing because he's pacy with good movement and a very good finisher. I don't think he's at the elite level of strikers but given our current circumstances he's probably close to being as good as we could have realistically expected to get.

I'm a bit like Wilts-Gooner on this though, if he's in addition to Alexis then he's potentially a great signing, if he's instead of Alexis then I'm not sure where it leaves us. We might have actually gone slightly backwards.

I really like Mahrez and hope we sign him but I'm not sure how both him and Özil would work in the same team. Both very lightweight defensively.

Agree that Özil and Mahrez shouldn't be in the same 11 together. Too powder puff. Not sure I really see the logic in signing Mahrez tbh.


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I really like Mahrez and hope we sign him but I'm not sure how both him and Özil would work in the same team. Both very lightweight defensively.

Agree that Özil and Mahrez shouldn't be in the same 11 together. Too powder puff. Not sure I really see the logic in signing Mahrez tbh.

That's what concerns me too. I've long argued that the best teams have balance. If Özil goes I can see the logic of signing Mahrez far more than I can if he stays. A midfield with both Özil and Mahrez seems a bit, to use socrate's word 'lightweight' or to use bromley's term 'powder puff', especially for the game in England. Two highly talented but very inconsistent players who when they turn up are brilliant, but regularly (some would argue more often that not) go missing. Is that what's needed for success in the Premier League? I have genuine doubts.

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Agree that Özil and Mahrez shouldn't be in the same 11 together. Too powder puff. Not sure I really see the logic in signing Mahrez tbh.

That's what concerns me too. I've long argued that the best teams have balance. If Özil goes I can see the logic of signing Mahrez far more than I can if he stays. A midfield with both Özil and Mahrez seems a bit, to use socrate's word 'lightweight' or to use bromley's term 'powder puff', especially for the game in England. Two highly talented but very inconsistent players who when they turn up are brilliant, but regularly (some would argue more often that not) go missing. Is that what's needed for success in the Premier League? I have genuine doubts.


Hi Bernard,

I like Mahrez.

Wenger likes out-to-in wingers, or rather wingers who play on the wrong side to their natural kicking foot so that they can cut inside. Mahrez is great at this.

He's also a bit of a magician with the ball and a great dribbler who can take players out of the game, which appeals to me. He won the PL player of the year trophy two seasons ago so he's top quality when he's on his game.

I could see him and Özil at home against lesser opposition but I'm not sure you could risk both in a big game. It'd be like playing with 9 men defensively.


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Mahrez....... can take players out of the game, which appeals to me.


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The Ox - I suspect other managers may get more out of him. I think he will listen to people who want to improve him and he wants to get better.

I've thought that ..... spend two weeks with Robert Pires or Denis Bergkamp .... but really the burning desire to improve should come from within .

Success comes too easily for some " Selected for England , fabulous wages " why spend three hours kicking a ball against a wall like Supermac did to perfect his skills ... better climb in your new Porsche and rev off home and play X Box or whatever .

I watched Jimmy Greenhoff playing for Stoke in 1973 twisting Arsenal's back four every which way and I don't think either Walcott or Oxo cube come close to his skill levels .


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Hi Aussie Gooners, I'm just about to finish my vacation week in beautiful Cairns. Lovely city, so much fun stuff to do. :6encouragement:

Glad you enjoyed it and hope you return to Oz to enjoy other areas. Not a bad location to spend winter.

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Gaz from Oz wrote:
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Hi Aussie Gooners, I'm just about to finish my vacation week in beautiful Cairns. Lovely city, so much fun stuff to do. :6encouragement:

Glad you enjoyed it and hope you return to Oz to enjoy other areas. Not a bad location to spend winter.


Lots to see and do. We'll be back. Highlight was convincing my wife to do the skydive.

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Glad you enjoyed it and hope you return to Oz to enjoy other areas. Not a bad location to spend winter.


Lots to see and do. We'll be back. Highlight was convincing my wife to do the skydive.


Glad you enjoyed the sun. If you'd skydived down here you'd probably have turned into a giant hailstone. :laughing7:


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socrates wrote:
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That's what concerns me too. I've long argued that the best teams have balance. If Özil goes I can see the logic of signing Mahrez far more than I can if he stays. A midfield with both Özil and Mahrez seems a bit, to use socrate's word 'lightweight' or to use bromley's term 'powder puff', especially for the game in England. Two highly talented but very inconsistent players who when they turn up are brilliant, but regularly (some would argue more often that not) go missing. Is that what's needed for success in the Premier League? I have genuine doubts.

Hi Bernard,

I like Mahrez.

Wenger likes out-to-in wingers, or rather wingers who play on the wrong side to their natural kicking foot so that they can cut inside. Mahrez is great at this.

He's also a bit of a magician with the ball and a great dribbler who can take players out of the game, which appeals to me. He won the PL player of the year trophy two seasons ago so he's top quality when he's on his game.

I could see him and Özil at home against lesser opposition but I'm not sure you could risk both in a big game. It'd be like playing with 9 men defensively.

Morning socrates. I'm surprised you like Mahrez when you never took to Özil. To me they're very similar types of player and largely bring both the same benefits and negatives to their teams. Very talented when going forward but adding next to nothing to the defensive side of the game. I'd say in that respect Mahrez might even be a bit worse than Özil. Both can look disinterested and disappear from games, and after seeing so much of them I'd also rate Mahrez as a little worse in that way too. It adds up to them both being inconsistent. Mahrez will of course be cheaper to buy than Özil, but I'd be surprised if that was a significant factor in making you like Mahrez while never appearing to take to Özil.

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I'm surprised you like Mahrez when you never took to Özil.


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Hi Bernard,

I like Mahrez.

Wenger likes out-to-in wingers, or rather wingers who play on the wrong side to their natural kicking foot so that they can cut inside. Mahrez is great at this.

He's also a bit of a magician with the ball and a great dribbler who can take players out of the game, which appeals to me. He won the PL player of the year trophy two seasons ago so he's top quality when he's on his game.

I could see him and Özil at home against lesser opposition but I'm not sure you could risk both in a big game. It'd be like playing with 9 men defensively.

Morning socrates. I'm surprised you like Mahrez when you never took to Özil. To me they're very similar types of player and largely bring both the same benefits and negatives to their teams. Very talented when going forward but adding next to nothing to the defensive side of the game. I'd say in that respect Mahrez might even be a bit worse than Özil. Both can look disinterested and disappear from games, and after seeing so much of them I'd also rate Mahrez as a little worse in that way too. It adds up to them both being inconsistent. Mahrez will of course be cheaper to buy than Özil, but I'd be surprised if that was a significant factor in making you like Mahrez while never appearing to take to Özil.


Hi Bernard,

Mahrez is an old fashioned dribber with a magical left foot who likes to take on his man with little drops of the shoulder, step-overs, changes of pace etc. He likes a shot at goal coming inside from the right wing onto his left foot.

Sometimes I think we get so bogged down with our passing game, especially when teams drop deep and defend with two banks of four, that we need someone who can go past his man and take him out the game, opening up space for others.

I think Mahrez actually suffered a bit at Leicester because they rarely dominated possession, home or away, infact they often had around 30% of the possession and played largely a counter-attacking game. It was good when Mahrez got the ball but that wasn't always that often in matches so his influence was limited. He's have much more of the ball in an Arsenal side.

Özil is a precision passer with fantastic vision and weight of pass but not really a dribbler.

So basically, I see them both as having magical left foots but being quite different in terms of their playing styles. Both are very lightweight defensively though.


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Morning socrates. I'm surprised you like Mahrez when you never took to Özil. To me they're very similar types of player and largely bring both the same benefits and negatives to their teams. Very talented when going forward but adding next to nothing to the defensive side of the game. I'd say in that respect Mahrez might even be a bit worse than Özil. Both can look disinterested and disappear from games, and after seeing so much of them I'd also rate Mahrez as a little worse in that way too. It adds up to them both being inconsistent. Mahrez will of course be cheaper to buy than Özil, but I'd be surprised if that was a significant factor in making you like Mahrez while never appearing to take to Özil.


Hi Bernard,

Mahrez is an old fashioned dribber with a magical left foot who likes to take on his man with little drops of the shoulder, step-overs, changes of pace etc. He likes a shot at goal coming inside from the right wing onto his left foot.

Sometimes I think we get so bogged down with our passing game, especially when teams drop deep and defend with two banks of four, that we need someone who can go past his man and take him out the game, opening up space for others.

I think Mahrez actually suffered a bit at Leicester because they rarely dominated possession, home or away, infact they often had around 30% of the possession and played largely a counter-attacking game. It was good when Mahrez got the ball but that wasn't always that often in matches so his influence was limited. He's have much more of the ball in an Arsenal side.

Özil is a precision passer with fantastic vision and weight of pass but not really a dribbler.

So basically, I see them both as having magical left foots but being quite different in terms of their playing styles. Both are very lightweight defensively though.

Hi Soc

I largely agree with that. Özil is a playmaker. Mahrez is a winger with real ability to beat a player and happily, he has a good shot on him too. He is one of the few players in the league who can kill a defender one on one without using blinding pace.
Unlike the rest of the forum, or so it seems, I am not too worried about the defensive qualities of either, although Özil's half-arsed tackles are annoying. We never cared too much about Pires' defending. A solid central midfield and well organised defence should be more than sufficient to take care of the defensive side of the game and let the attacking players do the damage at the other end.

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Unlike the rest of the forum, or so it seems, I am not too worried about the defensive qualities of either, although Özil's half-arsed tackles are annoying. We never cared too much about Pires' defending.

Exactly. Plus, the notion that Sanchez contributes anything defensively is a complete myth. If anything he's a defensive liability because of his habit of holding on to the ball for too long in our own half. Hazard, De Bruyne, Coutinho, Eriksen, they're all pretty much useless defensively. It's not what they're there for.


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Could either of them take over Carzorla's role?

Now that could be magic?


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socrates wrote:
Hi Bernard,

Mahrez is an old fashioned dribber with a magical left foot who likes to take on his man with little drops of the shoulder, step-overs, changes of pace etc. He likes a shot at goal coming inside from the right wing onto his left foot.

Sometimes I think we get so bogged down with our passing game, especially when teams drop deep and defend with two banks of four, that we need someone who can go past his man and take him out the game, opening up space for others.

I think Mahrez actually suffered a bit at Leicester because they rarely dominated possession, home or away, infact they often had around 30% of the possession and played largely a counter-attacking game. It was good when Mahrez got the ball but that wasn't always that often in matches so his influence was limited. He's have much more of the ball in an Arsenal side.

Özil is a precision passer with fantastic vision and weight of pass but not really a dribbler.

So basically, I see them both as having magical left foots but being quite different in terms of their playing styles. Both are very lightweight defensively though.

Afternoon socrates. Mahrez is certainly much more of a dribbler than Özil. I certainly wouldn't call him a Peter Marinello style dribbler though, if you're talking of him being an "old fashioned" dribbler.

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Chilean newspaper La Tercera are claiming Sanchez will 'honor his contract'. Assuming that would mean him leaving for free next year. Not sure how reliable La Tercera are, but I would be ok with that outcome if he's set on leaving.


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Chilean newspaper La Tercera are claiming Sanchez will 'honor his contract'. Assuming that would mean him leaving for free next year. Not sure how reliable La Tercera are, but I would be ok with that outcome if he's set on leaving.

Bayern have said that he is too expensive for them. If Arsenal are insisting that they won't sell to another PL club, there may be nowhere else for him to go. If true, it is quite a change from the RVP days.

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