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Post #479761  Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:47 pm 
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Yaya Sanogo released. And what an absolute donkey he was.
Can someone please tell American that 'Sanomo is off the roster'.


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They need to get Ruth Davidson into parliament - she would be a very good leader for them albeit the DUP would have no truck with her for obvious reasons (and she with them probably)!!!
A Scottish leader of the Tories? Yes please. 'Mr. Corbyn, what colour carpet would you like for Number 10?'


We've surely learned not to rely on old certainties. She's formidable, charismatic and has just saved the Tories. I really would not discount her so lightly.


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Ha ha says the man who must be smarting a bit after his orange man crush took a bit of a hit today.

:laughing7: IF ...you are referring to the Comey testimony I couldn't give a toss , the way I see it Americans are a braindead race of people hell bent on starting World War 3 .

It doesn't matter who is in charge they would still walz around meddling in other countries affairs because they have the military muscle .


Jeez kiwi, stop making me want to vote for you!!
Kiwi for Prez!!

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May has some neck hanging around after that result.


No she doesn't; she's just doing what the puppet masters tell her.

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Also I'm not crawling up Corbyn's arse because he fought a good campaign against a rubbish opponent and led us back from an abyss he partly led us towards. Young people - good. Manifesto - largely good. Most importantly, loads of good MPs still there thanks in part to the campaign he energised. But I don't think opposition to torture and murder are relative values and there is no statute of limitations. A paper on whose editorial board he sat mocked the victims of an atrocious bombing. It's up to everybody whether they think that's OK just because it was Tories who lay under the rubble. But I'm sorry I don't. I oppose the Tories going into alliance with the backward medievalist terrorist sympathisers of the DUP but I'm not giving Corbyn a pass on active support for the IRA until he acknowledges it was wrong and he wasn't just "talking" to them. The media did not make this up.


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Post #479766  Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 7:15 pm 
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Yesterday was the 11th GE since I could vote. The worse in my memory.

We used to have politicians canvass for our votes, like them or loath them they did represent us. They came around letting us know what they will be doing for you. You either looked at how it would benefit you or the bigger picture (maybe both) and vote. Now it's all about Don't vote for thema s they will do this or that. Wish they would stick to their own policies and stop debunking other parties.

OK! A few comedy programmes would take the rise out of them as they would most famous people, but today they are all ridiculed all the time. You cannot go on Facebook or Twitter without someone having the piss ripped out of them.

They mostly have no respect for voters and in turn voters lack respect for them. Labour has a vote for a leader and many of their party did not want him. Yet though he did not win, he did make a go of it. May was voted to replace Cameron, now might be a target for the Tory party to be replaced. These people as supposed to represent us but have trouble picking a leader.

What actually good did last nights result do for the country, on what some call an extraordinary night? What was extraordinary about a hung parliament.

There is no debate on social media just a load of anger, hate, outrage. Someone makes a comment, some reply, then the outrage on what they have said, the hate, the abuse follows. It's not for me actually doing anyone any good. TV debates, again just a load of shouting.

Where are we actually going. Social networking could be good, but No! let's just try to shut down and shout down those that disagree with us.

Would have rather had either party win with a majority than all this poxy politics hanging around like a bad smell.


Ok a few comments on this (some you may not like but I'm sorry)

I agree with a lot that you have wrote here but the reality is as an electorate we haven't learned a single bit. Not one iota

We've had years now of scots independence ref, 2 elections and brexit now and each one has been grossly mis managed by the tories and yet still people still wish to retain their governance because they can't see beyond the facade, media control, lust for power and hate tactics. Its mental, the outright anger and hate is being caused by the perma state of instability and people are *%^@*** sick of it. That's why labour gained seats yesterday. If it's a problem and you don't like it, don't keep voting them back in.

I'm hardly a fan of Corbyn who I consider a flawed character but frankly the hate starts with the tories ..... lands at the feet of the poor and disabled and spews out its not from him.

People still can't identify the damage that is being done.

We are the electorate. We are getting the future we deserve.


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Olivier scores a beauty, top right hand corner Sweden 0 France 1.


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London belongs to Labour.

Labour have taken Kensington.

Unbelievable.........................


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London belongs to Labour.

Labour have taken Kensington.

Unbelievable.........................

Just wondering if that's a message from the rich?

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Olivier scores a beauty, top right hand corner Sweden 0 France 1.

Lloris goes full blown Spursy and gifts Sweden a winner in hilarious fashion, great finish notwithstanding

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:laughing7: IF ...you are referring to the Comey testimony I couldn't give a toss , the way I see it Americans are a braindead race of people hell bent on starting World War 3 .

It doesn't matter who is in charge they would still walz around meddling in other countries affairs because they have the military muscle .


Jeez kiwi, stop making me want to vote for you!!
Kiwi for Prez!!

and might I say I've always appreciated your wisdom John ... the vice presidency is yours .

Can't see the British and Irish Lions having too much joy on their current tour . A more punishing schedule couldn't be imagined
Playing the five super 15 sides , the NZ Maoris plus three tests against the All Blacks .

Even though they have a squad of 41 , there's going to be some battered bodies returning to the train wreck that is Britain .

How's things in the valleys ...?

One of the sons has returned home after 17 years in Ozzie .... I won't be surprised to see him unpacking some concrete floor foundations and a hot water cylinder such is the scale of gear arriving .


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old man of hoy wrote:
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You're witnessing the demise of the existing political systems. Politicians are *%^@ and everyone knows it. They're not smarter or better, nor can they make better decisions. People have access to far information than they did previously and whether it's factual or fiction will make judgement based on what they think (or are led to think). He who controls the information controls the people and In an increasingly fragmented information domain, politicians become almost irrelevant.
I don't think so. We have just had the first election in years where it feels like politics matters. What seems to have happened in this UK election is that people have not found all the politicians irrelevant. Corbyn's relative success is based in part on people thinking he does believe in what he is saying. Which they find refreshing. That he is so clearly not a media creation, like say Blair, Cameron and Clegg, has won him support, especially amongst younger voters.

Your point about who controls the information controls people, has not played over here this time. The opinion polls widely touted May as a landslide leader who would smash the Labour heartlands. Corbyn was said to have no chance at all. For years he has continually been belittled by the press in particular, some broadcasters and his opponents, yet that has meant nothing in the social media world where much of his younger support lies. Rather than being negative about politics maybe we should applaud the fact that he has not been done by the power brokerss, like the hapless Miliband before him?

Like Harlow I'm also long in the tooth over General Elections, but I can't share his rather strange view that they should not be political!


And that is kind of my point. The traditional media don't control the media or narrative anymore and have a rapidly diminishing control of the information. Social media, tweens, retweets, Facebook, blogs, forums etc are providing huge amounts of information so people who make up their own mind. I think a future is coming where policies will increasingly be decided by popular vote via digital referendums and people are going to listen less and less to what politicians are saying.


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London belongs to Labour.

Labour have taken Kensington.

Unbelievable.........................

Never thought I'd see it...not as big of course, but in a little way its almost an Obama moment of seemingly prior implausibility.

But this country is totally polarised. Most of the big cities are Labour ruled now, and a few medium sized ones. The Tories own most of the small towns, disgruntled commuter belt, countryside and farming country, and all the retarded backwaters of this nation stuck in a feudal mindset.

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grantyboy wrote:
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I don't think so. We have just had the first election in years where it feels like politics matters. What seems to have happened in this UK election is that people have not found all the politicians irrelevant. Corbyn's relative success is based in part on people thinking he does believe in what he is saying. Which they find refreshing. That he is so clearly not a media creation, like say Blair, Cameron and Clegg, has won him support, especially amongst younger voters.

Your point about who controls the information controls people, has not played over here this time. The opinion polls widely touted May as a landslide leader who would smash the Labour heartlands. Corbyn was said to have no chance at all. For years he has continually been belittled by the press in particular, some broadcasters and his opponents, yet that has meant nothing in the social media world where much of his younger support lies. Rather than being negative about politics maybe we should applaud the fact that he has not been done by the power brokerss, like the hapless Miliband before him?

Like Harlow I'm also long in the tooth over General Elections, but I can't share his rather strange view that they should not be political!


And that is kind of my point. The traditional media don't control the media or narrative anymore and have a rapidly diminishing control of the information. Social media, tweens, retweets, Facebook, blogs, forums etc are providing huge amounts of information so people who make up their own mind. I think a future is coming where policies will increasingly be decided by popular vote via digital referendums and people are going to listen less and less to what politicians are saying.


It is interesting how social media is providing a healthy balance to mainstream media. Most of the papers and TV are disgustingly right wing. Most social media is liberal and left-leaning almost to a fault. The key is that no matter how many sponsored messages the Tories bombard me with on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube etc, I get infinitely more information from like-minded souls. The key, I guess, is to have enough intelligent contacts with divergent opinions not to just descend into an echo chamber of reflected prejudices.

Make no mistake though, May going after social media in the wake of the terror attacks is like her going after the human rights act. A long established desire for control of people dressed up as protection. Either that, or she is genuinely stupid enough to understand what she says, and thus has absolutely no understanding of how the internet or indeed international law works.

But then her voting record over the last 2 decades has shown she is a paid up member of the 'Nasty Party' she once talked about changing. She makes George effing Osbourne look like a humanitarian.

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Never thought I'd see it...not as big of course, but in a little way its almost an Obama moment of seemingly prior implausibility.

But this country is totally polarised. Most of the big cities are Labour ruled now, and a few medium sized ones. The Tories own most of the small towns, disgruntled commuter belt, countryside and farming country, and all the retarded backwaters of this nation stuck in a feudal mindset.


Similar to here. Even in the south, the large cities are Democrat, our version of Labour but far more incompetent and spineless, if either attribute can be accused of your Labour, I wouldn't know.

The red states are rural states by and large. However, gentrification is now a realism here and the urban areas are getting moderate Republican mayors. The traditional urban people (black and latino) are now being forced in to ghetto suburbs (Ferguson, Missouri where the protests occurred is such an example, the people were formerly of St. Louis).

You guys seem just almost as polarized as we are. UKIP being your version of our Alt right (which is misnamed, they were neo nazis till about 8 or 9 years ago, and went through a self re-branding for recruitment purposes).

I wonder if Europe will go the same? Or they are there already?

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kiwipete wrote:
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Jeez kiwi, stop making me want to vote for you!!
Kiwi for Prez!!

and might I say I've always appreciated your wisdom John ... the vice presidency is yours .

Can't see the British and Irish Lions having too much joy on their current tour . A more punishing schedule couldn't be imagined
Playing the five super 15 sides , the NZ Maoris plus three tests against the All Blacks .

Even though they have a squad of 41 , there's going to be some battered bodies returning to the train wreck that is Britain .

How's things in the valleys ...?

One of the sons has returned home after 17 years in Ozzie .... I won't be surprised to see him unpacking some concrete floor foundations and a hot water cylinder such is the scale of gear arriving .


All reasonably good over here thanks Pete. I was a little inebriated (in fact a lot inebriated) when I replied to your comment. Now I'm sober, I agree with you even more!

I was out celebrating the Tories not getting the stunning majority they were hoping for. I am now a little more hopeful that the austerity agenda of punishing the less well off, and those less able to represent themselves, and who haven't had a voice in the debate, (a situation caused by free market economic policies gone mad) can now be modified a lot and the voices of those who have suffered disproportionately will start to be heard. "All in it together" - what a joke.
Not convinced by Corbyn, but I reckon he's not influenced by whispers in his ear from those that are NOT elected to represent us, the vested interests that have way too much influence at the higher levels of government. Many of his policies are attractive to me, and I've been surprised by how many people I spoke to in the pub last night (in a relatively affluent area) who agreed.
My partner has MS; she volunteers for the MS society as a counsellor, and she often tells me stories of people with severe disabilities and financial problems who have been told they no longer qualify for state support. She also hears similar stories through her connections with others in the voluntary sector.
It's time to stop making the less well off in our society bear the brunt of austerity. Austerity as practised by the Tories will never end, and will only exacerbate the gap between rich and poor. We are supposedly the 5th richest economy in the world, and we are telling people who cannot walk that they're on their own, "no state support buddy, you're capable of working for your living". But where are the jobs for them, even if they could work?
Time for change.

Sorry for the rant; I've just realised I'm still a bit tiddly.

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lomekian wrote:
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London belongs to Labour.

Labour have taken Kensington.

Unbelievable.........................


The Tories own most of the small towns, disgruntled commuter belt, countryside and farming country, and all the retarded backwaters of this nation stuck in a feudal mindset.


So true


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The UK idea of democracy is as retarded as the US model.
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The UK idea of democracy is as retarded as the US model.
You people truly are morons.


who the *%^@ are you...

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True Blue Gunner Gooner wrote:
The UK idea of democracy is as retarded as the US model.
You people truly are morons.

who the *%^@ are you...

The electoral systems in various democracies were possibly decided long before the majority of the population had any say in deciding it, even if the population at the time it was introduced had any say in it. There are probably pros and cons with all electoral systems. I wonder if those that individuals favour may often have more to do with them perceiving it as benefiting the party they support than anything else?

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True Blue Gunner Gooner wrote:
The UK idea of democracy is as retarded as the US model.
You people truly are morons.


Wait...is it...is it the Zionists?

Wake up, Sheeple!


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The Giroiud back of the heel goal should be goal of the season hands down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3WzE-FaRN0
This one for France is pretty darn good as well.
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2017/06/10 ... this-year/

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Anyway, its going to be interesting (possibly scary) what the next few years will be like with the political shifts going on. Especially in the German election.

Germany fought two world wars trying to rule Europe and eventually did it without firing a shot. Oh the irony.

The election of #45 (for those us who refuse to say the word President and that real estate guy's name in the same sentence) tells the world something important. It tells the world that with his election that America has abdicated its role in the world. Any nation, that can elect/select such a person with the stature of America's political, military and economic might has ceded it's leadership. Even if we eventually elect a more sober minded leader, the fact that the potential to elect such a person and the scary number of people who would ignore all reason, morals and sanity to elect such a person suggests to me we were posers all along. It explains the two wars in Asia.

My advice in the short term for Europe and our allies is to wait him out. Do the best you can till re-election and pray he is out by then or is so unpopular he won't get re-elected. And if he is re-elected, write America off behind the scenes while engaging as best you can because global issues continue.

China must be loving this. It quickens their rise. My fear is that we do what we always do when we have a a major problem: start a war else where. Since WW2 we have never gone a decade without some foreign war. Ironically enough Reagan's '80s, the Reagan the left at the time would start WW3, being the most peaceful (Panama and Granada).

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Football still goes on, this summer may be the most expensive in transfers ever by some distance, with the amount of money being banded about.
Morata to Man Utd seems to be taking hold. I was hoping we could have gotten him on loan a few years ago.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/foot ... 83116.html

So, should we try for the big Swede that Man Utd released as a gap fill for a season if we can't get a striker?

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True Blue Gunner Gooner wrote:
The UK idea of democracy is as retarded as the US model.
You people truly are morons.

Welcome to the forum. To quote Gaz from Oz, thankyou for your feedback. You *%^@.


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bromley gooner wrote:
True Blue Gunner Gooner wrote:
The UK idea of democracy is as retarded as the US model.
You people truly are morons.

Welcome to the forum. To quote Gaz from Oz, thankyou for your feedback. You *%^@.

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Not much to talk about with the football. Found myself looking at various kits for next season. Home shirts for most clubs don't change but designers seem to go a bit crazy with some of the away and 3rd shirts. I quite like the Arsenal ones but Man U's away and 3rd kit are awful.

Also, next season's fixtures are out next Wednesday


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And that is kind of my point. The traditional media don't control the media or narrative anymore and have a rapidly diminishing control of the information. Social media, tweens, retweets, Facebook, blogs, forums etc are providing huge amounts of information so people who make up their own mind. I think a future is coming where policies will increasingly be decided by popular vote via digital referendums and people are going to listen less and less to what politicians are saying.


It is interesting how social media is providing a healthy balance to mainstream media. Most of the papers and TV are disgustingly right wing. Most social media is liberal and left-leaning almost to a fault. The key is that no matter how many sponsored messages the Tories bombard me with on Facebook, Twitter, YouTube etc, I get infinitely more information from like-minded souls. The key, I guess, is to have enough intelligent contacts with divergent opinions not to just descend into an echo chamber of reflected prejudices.

Make no mistake though, May going after social media in the wake of the terror attacks is like her going after the human rights act. A long established desire for control of people dressed up as protection. Either that, or she is genuinely stupid enough to understand what she says, and thus has absolutely no understanding of how the internet or indeed international law works.

But then her voting record over the last 2 decades has shown she is a paid up member of the 'Nasty Party' she once talked about changing. She makes George effing Osbourne look like a humanitarian.

Yeah. Authority (with the ridiculous exceptions of Trump and Helen Zille) hates social media. During the protest here last year attitude to social media was as clear a marker of class position anything.

Another thing about these elections: contrary to what Harlow is saying, my impression is that the UK's stock in the world has been boosted. The UK and UK politics had become a bit of a nothing ... faded glory, rather like the FA cup.

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Not much to talk about with the football. Found myself looking at various kits for next season. Home shirts for most clubs don't change but designers seem to go a bit crazy with some of the away and 3rd shirts. I quite like the Arsenal ones but Man U's away and 3rd kit are awful.

Also, next season's fixtures are out next Wednesday

Those Man U kits are dreadful. Their 3rd kit is quite remarkable, it is so bad.

Ours might not reach those depths but are pretty manky all the same. That pink effort is horrible. Looks like a shite golf shirt

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The UK idea of democracy is as retarded as the US model.
You people truly are morons.

Welcome to the forum. To quote Gaz from Oz, thankyou for your feedback. You *%^@.

True blue gunner gooner?

Do we have a vacancy in the oxymorons & redundancy department?

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I really hope these paper rumours are a load of nonsense because seriously we would not be stupid enough to sell sanchez to man city.........would we????? Or any english team for that matter.
Arsenal are calling the shots here. Sod what sanchez wants.
If he wants to go its got to be abroad.
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If City give us Aguero for Sanchez I'd take it. Otherwise no way should we sell to a rival in this country. Wenger already said he'd rather let him go for free next year...of course that means he could go there next year anyway and it would be out of our hands. It wouldn't quite be the same as the RVP situation as we are in a far better financial position now.


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If City give us Aguero for Sanchez I'd take it. Otherwise no way should we sell to a rival in this country. Wenger already said he'd rather let him go for free next year...of course that means he could go there next year anyway and it would be out of our hands. It wouldn't quite be the same as the RVP situation as we are in a far better financial position now.

Hi Sab
I wondeŕ if wenger would explore that idea. Aguero is more clinical but sanchez all round game is better. Would make sense
I think sanchez is a year younger.
I think if sanchez goes to city tbey win the title


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Watching the news, it said over 70% of Brit 18-24 year olds voted. Wish we had that kind of turn out here.

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Post #479797  Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:46 pm 
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david.d wrote:
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If City give us Aguero for Sanchez I'd take it. Otherwise no way should we sell to a rival in this country. Wenger already said he'd rather let him go for free next year...of course that means he could go there next year anyway and it would be out of our hands. It wouldn't quite be the same as the RVP situation as we are in a far better financial position now.

Hi Sab
I wondeŕ if wenger would explore that idea. Aguero is more clinical but sanchez all round game is better. Would make sense
I think sanchez is a year younger.
I think if sanchez goes to city tbey win the title

I don't think Sanchez would make the difference for them in terms of winning the league. They already have the best attack. Aguero, DeBruyne, Sane, Jesus, Silva and Sterling. Sterling is the only weakness there. Their defence is terrible in comparison.

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Post #479798  Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 4:57 pm 
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City has enough attacking its their team defense and back line that needs strengthening or organizing. Kompany can no longer be relied on to stay fit. Yaya is no longer a force.

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Post #479799  Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 5:51 pm 
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Ox scores for England 1-0 then terrible defending allows a free kick goal for Scotland's equaliser. New tactic it seems don't jump or attempt to divert the ball..............

Then they score a second from another free kick.

This time they half heartedly jumped and diverted the ball into the net.

Jesus wept............


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Good on ya Arry. Strachan look upset.............


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