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This is why Gabriel got his first yellow card. A City player pushes him in to the ref and the ref reads the situation wrong. So so annoying

Rich wrote:

I’ve said it countless times but when was the last player to get a straight red v Arsenal?

Aleksandar Mitrovic Receives Red Card vs. Arsenal

August 2015

kiwipete wrote:

:blob9: 4am ....going to be hard to get back to sleep after that debacle .
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try counting sheeps :42laughter:

Still frustrated with their penalty. Total reward for Silva diving, he had no other interest that throwing himself for the penalty. Of course Xhaka was silly to lay any hand on him at all….but think about just all the times Pépé has been fouled in the box and had it waved away. The consistency is atrocious. Do we honestly think we’d have been given that penalty?

Do we honestly think we’d have been given that penalty?

Rich wrote:

Do we honestly think we’d have been given that penalty?

I think we would have. Whenever you can see a shirt being pulled that clearly you give the ref something to think about, and when you combine it with the defender sticking out his leg the decision is made much easier. Silva dives, but to me it's one of those instances where the attacking player is impeaded and if he doesn't go down the chance is gone and he gets nothing for it.

The ref was pretty terrible overall today, he seemed very eager to show yellow cards but only to Arsenal players. However, I don't think he had much at all to do with the result. Their penalty was correct in my book, the second yellow for Gabriel was clear as day. We should've probably had a penalty too, but even if we got it and scored it's 1-0 after 11 minutes instead of 1-0 after 31 so it's hardly a game-ending error on Atwell's part.

Play like we did today away to Spurs and we’re beating them comfortably. Spurs are massively rising their luck right now. Late goal today, no decent attacking play and very lucky with decisions for red cards, penalties and non red cards. Couldn’t beat 10 man Saints

There is no way this spurs team are better than us. Man for man it’s only Kane and Son.

Rich wrote:

Didn’t you agree that it’s silly to say we should get fourth but then imply at Tottenham only Kane and Son are better than we have? I would most likely say ‘could’ get fourth is a better word to use, but ‘should’ isn’t that outlandish if you rate us better than Tottenham. Manchester United are the main alternative and their first choice midfield is Fred and McTominay. Moreover their most influential forward is a 37 year old has been.

As I say, could is probably the most sensible word. But if we find a top forward from somewhere in January, I’m not sure should is that outlandish.

https://twitter.com/r75475528/status/1477292719215153152?s=21

These are the sorts of decisions certain players are given leeway for and certain ones are not. Rodri in this clip is not in control and it could be argued there is excessive force in the tackle considering what happens to Martinelli. Some people will argue he wins the ball but that isn’t the factor in determining free kicks. He slips, yes, but he’s out of control. This could have been a yellow for a different player, we didn’t even get a free kick for this.

Rich wrote:

very unhappy watching this tackle live but now that I've watched that clip a few times, I don't think Rodri was out of control. He races up with both feet planted together to block the shot and is still upright until he slips. The Martinelli momentum is circumstantial from taking the shot and having both feet off the ground rather than being from Rodri taking his legs out.

the big unknown from the game is did we perform better because Arteta wasn’t at the game issuing instructions every 5 minutes?

Pointless dwelling on the Attwell nonsense. Yesterday showed a team on the up. Lots of good things to take from it. A couple of shrewd signings and I think we’re in a good place. This team is loveable.

Whatever one may think of Xhaka, whether he’s just stupid, mitigated against by the referees, plain unlucky or a combination of them all the fact is, he is a liability. So do we offload him or get a couple of AG’s mates from Philly and make Mike Riley an offer he can’t refuse.

I know which option I would prefer if it was realistic.

Rich wrote:

Martinelli should have scored but also note the ref in the wrong place and martinelli has to get around him to get the shot off. No need for the ref to be charging in to the box at that point, he has goal line technology

Is that right? I didn’t notice in the heat of the moment. I’ll have a look out for that on the highlights when I can steel myself to watch them.

I thought it was a good performance overall. The disappointment for me was the poor decision making when under pressure. Xhaka was purely lazy with that decision or just straight panic. The same with the send off. What was he thinking well out from the goal. Under pressure he panicked. Never give the ref a decision like that to make.

With Xhaka it is clear he will always be what he is. Maybe we can forgive the send off but I worry if I see it repeated.

And the big unknown from the game is did we perform better because Arteta wasn’t at the game issuing instructions every 5 minutes?

Gaz from Oz wrote:

We've been winning handsomely with Areteta there so this seems an unlikely hypothesis.

And the big unknown from the game is did we perform better because Arteta wasn’t at the game issuing instructions every 5 minutes?

Author:	warrior [ Sat Jan 01, 2022 7:10 pm ]
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Rich wrote: https://twitter.com/ali_gooner08/status/1477332432059838470?s=21 This is why Gabriel got his first yellow card. A City player pushes him in to the ref and the ref reads the situation wrong. So so annoying Yikes

Author:	warrior [ Sat Jan 01, 2022 7:17 pm ]
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Author:	Rich [ Sat Jan 01, 2022 7:50 pm ]
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warrior wrote: Rich wrote: I’ve said it countless times but when was the last player to get a straight red v Arsenal? Aleksandar Mitrovic Receives Red Card vs. Arsenal August 2015 As suspected. So 6 and a half years of never having an opponent sent off for violent conduct or a bad tackle. Not even one that was harsh or wrong and later overturned!

Author:	Rich [ Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:04 pm ]
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It was strange that the commentary I listened to today was praising the ref in the first half for not going to yellow cards too quickly. He was saying he could have carded a few but then he sets the bar and we’d end up with 10 cards and it wasn’t a dirty game, also noting the players seemed happy and there weren’t any major complaints. This then completely changed in the second half where he just wanted to card anything. By the way this ref Attwell was demoted from the elite group of refs for 4 years due to poor performance and once gave a goal when it should have been a corner

Author:	kiwipete [ Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:06 pm ]
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gooner7 wrote: kiwipete wrote: :blob9: 4am ....going to be hard to get back to sleep after that debacle . .. try counting sheeps I'd rather run through five thousand clubs I'd like Xhaka to p**ss off to ......... Central African Utd , Outer Mongolian Wanderers , Easter Island Cathusians , Tristan da Cuhna Barbarians , Jan Mayen Athletic

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Author:	kiwipete [ Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:48 pm ]
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I think it would be a bit naive not to believe the officials would have a certain bias . Interested enough to make a job out of it they must surely have had favourite clubs growing up . Commentators the same .... My bloke had multiple orgasms when City scored the winner ... "GLORIOUS THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CHAMPIONS " ignoring the fact they had got a dodgy penalty and were playing ten men for forty minutes . First time I've really watched Man City when they haven't been demolishing someone playing flowing football and was surprised at the amount of niggle they put in . We made them look very ordinary hence I find it hard to console myself with the "Oh we manned up . played well etc etc Think of the enormous boost in confidence that would have given the dressing room to have won . Think Ødegaard's heavy touch led to that non penalty decision . One view seem to show their goalie treading on his foot , other angles seemed to show he made the most off it . Xhaka didn't do anywhere enough to make Fernandez fall ..... think it's the handful of shirt that was the decider . Gabriel needs to be made to watch that video twenty times and wise up ... he had to be dragged away by Lacazette and he still wanted to go on with it like some rabid bull terrier . Doesn't matter how flaky the first offence ..he was on a yellow; there was no real danger .... he didn't have to be so dumb ...... it is just symptomatic of how defenders defend these days , shirt pulls , rugby tackles , trips , niggly fouls . A penalty could be dished out at every corner .

Author:	kiwipete [ Sat Jan 01, 2022 8:59 pm ]
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OH for any of your folk in the later time zones might thinking it is the end of the world ... don't despair . The sun came up this morning as per usual . Time to shift sports watch a bit of cricket . NZ v Bangladesh ....we are going quite well although I don't like seeing us dealing to this opposition . Bangladesh are such an impoverished country I like to see them winning to lift their spirits .

Author:	Rich [ Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:00 pm ]
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Still frustrated with their penalty. Total reward for Silva diving, he had no other interest that throwing himself for the penalty. Of course Xhaka was silly to lay any hand on him at all….but think about just all the times Pépé has been fouled in the box and had it waved away. The consistency is atrocious. Do we honestly think we’d have been given that penalty?

Author:	david.d [ Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:05 pm ]
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So so so frustrating. Fantastic performance in the first half and defended well after going to 10 men. Some of our football was outstanding. How is the ref sent to monitor for their penalty but not for ours. At first it looks like silva has dived and everyone is motioning for him to get the *%^@ up then when it went to var started to fear the worst then game over as xhaka gives the ref something to think about by pulling his shirt. Still soft but if he doesn't pull the shirt then no penalty. Damn you Ake!!!! How the fukk does he get back to clear off the line and gabby should have stuck it away but he was magnificent today. He was running City ragged. So gutting and pissed off to see Rodri get the winner. Just seemed to fall for him. Minimum we deserved was a point. So soul destroying but so so proud of us today. Keep playing like that and we have a great chance of top 4. Heartened by the fact spurs still have to go to Liverpool Chelsea City and utd while we only have Chelsea to go to. They are so jammy. Just knew they would get the late goal. Lots to be positive about for us.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:28 pm ]
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Rich wrote: Still frustrated with their penalty. Total reward for Silva diving, he had no other interest that throwing himself for the penalty. Of course Xhaka was silly to lay any hand on him at all….but think about just all the times Pépé has been fouled in the box and had it waved away. The consistency is atrocious. Do we honestly think we’d have been given that penalty? It’s such a weak penalty however if you grab a handful of an opposing players shirt in the box you are running your luck in this VAR era. All the opposing player has to do is throw himself on the floor and VAR will check it see the minor offence and give it. It was a penalty that wouldn’t have been given before VAR. it was one of those games that really showed it hadn’t improved decisions

Author:	Hazuki [ Sat Jan 01, 2022 9:42 pm ]
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Rich wrote: Do we honestly think we’d have been given that penalty? I think we would have. Whenever you can see a shirt being pulled that clearly you give the ref something to think about, and when you combine it with the defender sticking out his leg the decision is made much easier. Silva dives, but to me it's one of those instances where the attacking player is impeaded and if he doesn't go down the chance is gone and he gets nothing for it. The ref was pretty terrible overall today, he seemed very eager to show yellow cards but only to Arsenal players. However, I don't think he had much at all to do with the result. Their penalty was correct in my book, the second yellow for Gabriel was clear as day. We should've probably had a penalty too, but even if we got it and scored it's 1-0 after 11 minutes instead of 1-0 after 31 so it's hardly a game-ending error on Atwell's part.

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:03 pm ]
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To lighten the sad mood a bit and tangentially related story to azinoz's post. When I was in LA, I stayed in an apartment that a young couple moved above me. They kept to themselves. I got their mail by accident and I noticed the name was Italian and seemed somewhat familiar but I didn't know from where I heard it. Anyway, I delivered their mail and didn't make any inquiries about the name. I had a 2 bedroom flat and allowed them to use one of my parking spaces, I had 2, they were in a 1 bedroom flat and only had 1 space but 2 cars. They were having a get together with some new friends and coworkers and invited me for the kindness I showed. Anyway, the beer and alcohol were flowing. I was asked where you are from and I said Philly. She said we are from Philly too. Of course, we got into what area, etc. Both lived in separate areas. He lived in a suburb just north of Philly. She and he were at the same college, she was from another area. Anyway, eventually we all became better friends and I learned their story or rather his story. He left the Philly area because his childhood friends, family, changed towards him. He had an uncle, his father's brother who they were estranged from. He never met him, rarely talked about. His estranged uncle was a capo in the Philly mob in south Philly. In the late 80s and into the 90s Philly had a mob war within the family for control after Little Nicky Scarfo was no longer in charge. This uncle ended up on the news. He was found dead in the trunk of the car. This name was not a common Italian name for Philly such as Russo, Rizzo, Pileggi. People in the upstairs neighbor's area found out there was a familial connection and lifelong friends and their families shunned him and his family thinking there was some mob connection to them and that's how they made their money. Eventually, he decided to make a fresh start in LA with his girlfrien/fiance'. He was very angry and gutted about how so many people he knew his whole life would treat him and his family.

Author:	kiwipete [ Sat Jan 01, 2022 11:11 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote: Rich wrote: Do we honestly think we’d have been given that penalty? I think we would have. Whenever you can see a shirt being pulled that clearly you give the ref something to think about, and when you combine it with the defender sticking out his leg the decision is made much easier. Silva dives, but to me it's one of those instances where the attacking player is impeaded and if he doesn't go down the chance is gone and he gets nothing for it. The ref was pretty terrible overall today, he seemed very eager to show yellow cards but only to Arsenal players. However, I don't think he had much at all to do with the result. Their penalty was correct in my book, the second yellow for Gabriel was clear as day. We should've probably had a penalty too, but even if we got it and scored it's 1-0 after 11 minutes instead of 1-0 after 31 so it's hardly a game-ending error on Atwell's part. Very mature take on the game . Rather than bogging oneself down with refereeing injustices , biases , conspiracies , dredging up decades of wrongs against us , giving the ulcers that come with following Arsenal "fresh legs "

Author:	kiwipete [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 12:04 am ]
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Rio's in our corner ........... interesting slice , dice , squirm and wriggle by their officiating expert . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdl0gwR ... chAnalysis

Author:	Bernard [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:27 am ]
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Rich wrote: Play like we did today away to Spurs and we’re beating them comfortably. Spurs are massively rising their luck right now. Late goal today, no decent attacking play and very lucky with decisions for red cards, penalties and non red cards. Couldn’t beat 10 man Saints There is no way this spurs team are better than us. Man for man it’s only Kane and Son. Didn’t you agree that it’s silly to say we should get fourth but then imply at Tottenham only Kane and Son are better than we have? I would most likely say ‘could’ get fourth is a better word to use, but ‘should’ isn’t that outlandish if you rate us better than Tottenham. Manchester United are the main alternative and their first choice midfield is Fred and McTominay. Moreover their most influential forward is a 37 year old has been. As I say, could is probably the most sensible word. But if we find a top forward from somewhere in January, I’m not sure should is that outlandish.

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 3:35 am ]
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Rich, your family will hate me for encouraging you but continue with the stats, etc. It's interesting.

Author:	gooner7 [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 4:38 am ]
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IMO, we need a replacement for Xhaka if we ever want to be challenging for the EPL championship. Easily targeted as an offensive thrust by most opposition because he is slow to recover. And with that, he commits fouls. That shirt pull was an instinctive reaction of his whenever he cannot get the better of a player. Most whizz past him. In the build up to the penalty, City were 2 on 1 to get behind us. Not sure who is the culprit who failed to track the City runner into the box. Xhaka comes to mind because he is covering Tierney on the left. Don't want to say he is useless, because he is not. But he remains our weakest link and opposing managers know to exploit that.

Author:	Rich [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:06 am ]
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Bernard wrote: Rich wrote: Play like we did today away to Spurs and we’re beating them comfortably. Spurs are massively rising their luck right now. Late goal today, no decent attacking play and very lucky with decisions for red cards, penalties and non red cards. Couldn’t beat 10 man Saints There is no way this spurs team are better than us. Man for man it’s only Kane and Son. Didn’t you agree that it’s silly to say we should get fourth but then imply at Tottenham only Kane and Son are better than we have? I would most likely say ‘could’ get fourth is a better word to use, but ‘should’ isn’t that outlandish if you rate us better than Tottenham. Manchester United are the main alternative and their first choice midfield is Fred and McTominay. Moreover their most influential forward is a 37 year old has been. As I say, could is probably the most sensible word. But if we find a top forward from somewhere in January, I’m not sure should is that outlandish. Hi Bernard, I suppose it depends on at what point you make the judgement. Before a ball was kicked no one would have said we should get 4th. Now we’re half way through the season we’ve put ourselves in a position where people are talking about the possibility of us finishing 4th. Spurs and Man Uare still ahead if they win their games in hand though. At the start of the season Man U should have finished top 4, and even right now they should finish top 4. Their squad is huge compared to ours. We’re definitely in the mix. We could get top 4 absolutely. And I rate our best 11 above spurs, if Man U get their best 11 ticking (which I don’t think they have at any point this season) then they might be tough to beat.

Author:	Rich [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:10 am ]
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https://twitter.com/r75475528/status/14 ... 53152?s=21 These are the sorts of decisions certain players are given leeway for and certain ones are not. Rodri in this clip is not in control and it could be argued there is excessive force in the tackle considering what happens to Martinelli. Some people will argue he wins the ball but that isn’t the factor in determining free kicks. He slips, yes, but he’s out of control. This could have been a yellow for a different player, we didn’t even get a free kick for this.

Author:	grantyboy [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:24 am ]
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Rich wrote: https://twitter.com/r75475528/status/1477292719215153152?s=21 These are the sorts of decisions certain players are given leeway for and certain ones are not. Rodri in this clip is not in control and it could be argued there is excessive force in the tackle considering what happens to Martinelli. Some people will argue he wins the ball but that isn’t the factor in determining free kicks. He slips, yes, but he’s out of control. This could have been a yellow for a different player, we didn’t even get a free kick for this. very unhappy watching this tackle live but now that I've watched that clip a few times, I don't think Rodri was out of control. He races up with both feet planted together to block the shot and is still upright until he slips. The Martinelli momentum is circumstantial from taking the shot and having both feet off the ground rather than being from Rodri taking his legs out.

Author:	Bernard [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:58 am ]
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Apparently Nketiah has tested positive for Covid. Be interesting to see if he’s the only one. Otherwise it could put Thursday’s semi-final against Liverpool in doubt.

Author:	Rich [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:48 am ]
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grantyboy wrote: Rich wrote: https://twitter.com/r75475528/status/1477292719215153152?s=21 These are the sorts of decisions certain players are given leeway for and certain ones are not. Rodri in this clip is not in control and it could be argued there is excessive force in the tackle considering what happens to Martinelli. Some people will argue he wins the ball but that isn’t the factor in determining free kicks. He slips, yes, but he’s out of control. This could have been a yellow for a different player, we didn’t even get a free kick for this. very unhappy watching this tackle live but now that I've watched that clip a few times, I don't think Rodri was out of control. He races up with both feet planted together to block the shot and is still upright until he slips. The Martinelli momentum is circumstantial from taking the shot and having both feet off the ground rather than being from Rodri taking his legs out. But the point is he does take him out. If Rodri isn’t there at all Martinelli doesn’t fall flat on his back after taking the shot. Strange way to block a shot by rushing in and planting both feet, I can’t see that being a natural thing to do.

Author:	Rich [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:15 am ]
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https://twitter.com/189nlne/status/1477 ... 37664?s=21 On a more positive note this clip shows the complete dominance we had over City in the build up to the first goal. I’ve only seen peak Liverpool do this to Man City in the past 3 years or so

Author:	Rich [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:26 am ]
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3 cup games before our game v Spurs. I’d go with a strong team v Liverpool at home, rotate against Forest and then see who might be available for the away Liverpool game.

Author:	Darren [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:26 am ]
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Pointless dwelling on the Attwell nonsense. Yesterday showed a team on the up. Lots of good things to take from it. A couple of shrewd signings and I think we’re in a good place. This team is loveable.

Author:	Gaz from Oz [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:26 am ]
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I thought it was a good performance overall. The disappointment for me was the poor decision making when under pressure. Xhaka was purely lazy with that decision or just straight panic. The same with the send off. What was he thinking well out from the goal. Under pressure he panicked. Never give the ref a decision like that to make. With Xhaka it is clear he will always be what he is. Maybe we can forgive the send off but I worry if I see it repeated. And the big unknown from the game is did we perform better because Arteta wasn’t at the game issuing instructions every 5 minutes?

Author:	Darren [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:29 am ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote: the big unknown from the game is did we perform better because Arteta wasn’t at the game issuing instructions every 5 minutes? I don’t buy this nonsense. The reason we played so well is that we’re a team on the up.

Author:	socrates [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:05 am ]
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Darren wrote: Pointless dwelling on the Attwell nonsense. Yesterday showed a team on the up. Lots of good things to take from it. A couple of shrewd signings and I think we’re in a good place. This team is loveable. Hi Darren, Totally agree. A few weeks ago I still had big doubts about Arteta because there were not enough reasons to be encouraged by his management, now I believe there are some good reasons for optimism. The fact that our upturn in form seemed to coincide with Aubameyang being dropped is something which may or may not be down to a stroke of luck. Would it have happened anyway based on the evidence of what Arteta was seeing on and off the pitch or did Aubameyang's ill-discipline enable Arteta to get lucky in that it allowed Lacazette and Martinelli to come in and give us a better overall team shape and balance. Sometimes you just need that bit of luck. I think you are right about the two players. Clearly we are not City who can get by without a recognised CF so that's one hole that definitely needs plugging and I'd like to see an upgrade on Xhaka. I doubt either will happen in Jan, though. There are possibilities out there but we need to be quick, clever and persuasive in this market.

Author:	socrates [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:11 am ]
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azinoz wrote: Whatever one may think of Xhaka, whether he’s just stupid, mitigated against by the referees, plain unlucky or a combination of them all the fact is, he is a liability. So do we offload him or get a couple of AG’s mates from Philly and make Mike Riley an offer he can’t refuse. I know which option I would prefer if it was realistic. I think you've summed up Xhaka pretty well, its a combination of things that make him a liability, and not all are in his control. Unfortunately, years of shirt-pulls and silly mistimed tackles have made him a target for referees.

Author:	socrates [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:16 am ]
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One thing that seems quite clear to me is that when Lacazette tires we are less of an attacking threat. Yesterday when he went off we pushed Martinelli up top but he doesn't yet have that upper body strength to allow him to hold the ball up and bring others into play in the way Lacazette does. It's an issue because Lacazette is by no means the complete answer, he offers little goal threat for a start, but we have no one else who can play that role. We desperately need another CF, even if its a loan for the remainder of the season.

Author:	long time gooner [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:22 am ]
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long time gooner wrote: Rich wrote: Martinelli should have scored but also note the ref in the wrong place and martinelli has to get around him to get the shot off. No need for the ref to be charging in to the box at that point, he has goal line technology Is that right? I didn’t notice in the heat of the moment. I’ll have a look out for that on the highlights when I can steel myself to watch them. Just watched it on MOTD. You’re dead right. It was as though the referee was an extra defender. He certainly didn’t help us out there. It’s like every bit of luck went against us.

Author:	Decaf [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:22 am ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote: I thought it was a good performance overall. The disappointment for me was the poor decision making when under pressure. Xhaka was purely lazy with that decision or just straight panic. The same with the send off. What was he thinking well out from the goal. Under pressure he panicked. Never give the ref a decision like that to make. With Xhaka it is clear he will always be what he is. Maybe we can forgive the send off but I worry if I see it repeated. And the big unknown from the game is did we perform better because Arteta wasn’t at the game issuing instructions every 5 minutes? We've been winning handsomely with Areteta there so this seems an unlikely hypothesis.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:41 am ]
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Morning all, Anyone still stewing over yesterday ? Yep thought so me too.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:43 am ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote: And the big unknown from the game is did we perform better because Arteta wasn’t at the game issuing instructions every 5 minutes? What a plonker. Next.Level. Do you even watch our games.