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Author:  grantyboy [ Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:18 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
Decaf wrote:
Our biggest enemy at the moment is the proverbial handbrake.

We’re so inconsistent. A fine win today, but we’re more than capable of dropping points against Fulham.

We can win the Europa League with the players we have. On paper the most likely final is Arsenal versus Manchester United. The respective league positions of the two clubs suggests they’re the better team. But if we have one of our good days in the final, I’d fancy us to beat them. The uncertain thing is whether we’d have one of our good days. You don’t know what Arsenal is going to turn up in any game.


Playing 3 at the back has helprd to dominate midfield and also gives the attack a bit more free reign so Arteta has to be given credit for changing it after the Liverpool game. Same as what Decaf or Haz said , Xhaka could come unstuck with balls over the top to forwards with pace but it's working for now and a great win.

Author:  gooner7 [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:19 am ]
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https://metro.co.uk/2021/04/16/arteta-r ... wsnow-feed

Respect to Arsenal, Lacazette & his team. Stamp out Racism.

Author:  bubblechris [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:25 am ]
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No changes boss. Let them bed in together.

Give Azeez and Balogun some game time especially if we have a good half time lead.

Author:  Rich [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:47 am ]
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gooner7 wrote:
https://metro.co.uk/2021/04/16/arteta-reacts-to-powerful-alexandre-lacazette-gesture-amid-slavia-prague-race-row-14418295/?ito=newsnow-feed

Respect to Arsenal, Lacazette & his team. Stamp out Racism.

That is already a quite iconic picture. It is all over the internet. Handy to back up that statement with a 4-0 win and 2 goals from the captain and guy who features is such a defiant statement. Our other two goalscorers were black as well

Author:  Rich [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:55 am ]
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If we make it to the final it will be our 7th final in 8 years. As much as we’ve gone through a tough time in comparison to the last 30 years we’re still competitive.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:08 am ]
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Rich wrote:
If we make it to the final it will be our 7th final in 8 years. As much as we’ve gone through a tough time in comparison to the last 30 years we’re still competitive.

It would make 2 finals in 2 years for Arteta in difficult circumstances. Plenty of egg on faces here if he wins the bloody thing after a host of people on here moaned about his in game management and micro analysed every other decision no matter how inconsequential

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:09 am ]
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This sums up America. This is a brief exchange between two coworkers.

"Did you hear about the mass shooting?"

"Which one?"

...and the tone was just this side of 'matter of fact'. The body count, place and type of victims determines the reaction.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:18 am ]
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I've also realized in conversation that present or former gun owners such as myself who are politically moderate, centrist or towards the left, would have very little issue in a total gun ban. It's the right wing that would gladly wage guerilla warfare in order to keep theirs. I bought mine after a break in our area and I was living alone at the time with the occasional weekend sleep overs of my two young nephews at the time. When I moved to a better area I sold it. No need (the resale value is horrible...lol), cars I think have a much better comparative resale value. That's your typical owner. The far right sees it not for functionality (home protection in a bad area, hunting, etc.) but in part of some ideological fear of an oppressive government and the fringe right as needed for some eventual internal war based on..take your pick: the global elite (code speak for Jews mainly but also the liberal 1% like the newly rich progressives in tech, etc, if that's really possible), a race war with Blacks mainly, supported by the aforementioned 'global elites' (which coincidentally some have killed blacks to spark one. Self fulfilling prophecy. We expect one so let's start one to get it over with because its inevitable...yeah, I know, no one said they were logical). Others for some other fringe reasons.

I've signed petitions or voted for any proposal that restricted access, increased background checks, whatever. I have zero issues with it. And have always loved countries where gun crime was rare if any. I have met Americans in peaceful countries who would comment that it would be hard to live in such places without access to a firearm. You really need one in...take your pic... Bali, Dubai, Tokyo? Really?

Author:  Hazuki [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:22 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Plenty of egg on faces here

And at the end of the day, that's what it's all about

Author:  socrates [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:41 am ]
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Hazuki wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
Plenty of egg on faces here

And at the end of the day, that's what it's all about


Exactly, Haz.

I wasn't at all confident going into the game given their home record, our inconsistency and our ability to shoot ourselves in the foot, but I am ecstatic to be proven wrong.

Am I confident we can win the thing? Well, we are one step nearer and only a max of three games left to play but this is cup football and it only takes one sub-par performance or some bad luck, some poor refereeing, or even a couple of worldies from the opposition. In short, anything can happen.

I'd like to see United knocked out, that would make me more confident.

Author:  Gunfire [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:50 am ]
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gooner7 wrote:
https://metro.co.uk/2021/04/16/arteta-reacts-to-powerful-alexandre-lacazette-gesture-amid-slavia-prague-race-row-14418295/?ito=newsnow-feed

Respect to Arsenal, Lacazette & his team. Stamp out Racism.


This taking the knee nonsense is beginning to grate frankly. It's over a year now.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:59 am ]
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Gunfire wrote:
gooner7 wrote:
https://metro.co.uk/2021/04/16/arteta-reacts-to-powerful-alexandre-lacazette-gesture-amid-slavia-prague-race-row-14418295/?ito=newsnow-feed

Respect to Arsenal, Lacazette & his team. Stamp out Racism.


This taking the knee nonsense is beginning to grate frankly. It's over a year now.


Surely even if you think that you must have enjoyed that image from last night, pretty iconic.

Author:  Decaf [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:01 am ]
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gooner7 wrote:
https://metro.co.uk/2021/04/16/arteta-reacts-to-powerful-alexandre-lacazette-gesture-amid-slavia-prague-race-row-14418295/?ito=newsnow-feed

Respect to Arsenal, Lacazette & his team. Stamp out Racism.

Well done to him and the team. Saka's glare is quite something too. Massive respect.

Author:  Decaf [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:03 am ]
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Gunfire wrote:
gooner7 wrote:
https://metro.co.uk/2021/04/16/arteta-reacts-to-powerful-alexandre-lacazette-gesture-amid-slavia-prague-race-row-14418295/?ito=newsnow-feed

Respect to Arsenal, Lacazette & his team. Stamp out Racism.


This taking the knee nonsense is beginning to grate frankly. It's over a year now.

I frankly disagree.

Author:  Darren [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:29 am ]
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Decaf wrote:
Gunfire wrote:

This taking the knee nonsense is beginning to grate frankly. It's over a year now.

I frankly disagree.

Same. I think last night showed exactly how powerful it can be. That picture of Lacazette will live long in the memory.

Author:  Darren [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:31 am ]
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I think we need to rest players this weekend. The league is done, frankly. Put everything into the Europa, rest some key players in the PL and give the fringe and young players some minutes.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:47 am ]
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Darren wrote:
I think we need to rest players this weekend. The league is done, frankly. Put everything into the Europa, rest some key players in the PL and give the fringe and young players some minutes.

I totally agree but the problem Arteta has is the moment he drops any key player he gets attacked so he can’t win. The hysteria that follows any result that isn’t 3 points for us affects confidence. It’s an absolute furore

Author:  Decaf [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:50 am ]
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Darren wrote:
Decaf wrote:
I frankly disagree.

Same. I think last night showed exactly how powerful it can be. That picture of Lacazette will live long in the memory.

Really impressed with Lacazette this whole season: for his role on the pitch, and as an example and leader for the younger players.

Author:  Niall [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:53 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
Decaf wrote:
Our biggest enemy at the moment is the proverbial handbrake.

We’re so inconsistent. A fine win today, but we’re more than capable of dropping points against Fulham.

We can win the Europa League with the players we have. On paper the most likely final is Arsenal versus Manchester United. The respective league positions of the two clubs suggests they’re the better team. But if we have one of our good days in the final, I’d fancy us to beat them. The uncertain thing is whether we’d have one of our good days. You don’t know what Arsenal is going to turn up in any game.

I'd rather be playing Utd in a one off game than over two legs.

Heard on the radio this morning that next seasons European Super Cup Final will be held in Belfast!! Here's hoping to see the arse back in town, been a while.

Author:  Decaf [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:00 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Darren wrote:
I think we need to rest players this weekend. The league is done, frankly. Put everything into the Europa, rest some key players in the PL and give the fringe and young players some minutes.

I totally agree but the problem Arteta has is the moment he drops any key player he gets attacked so he can’t win. The hysteria that follows any result that isn’t 3 points for us affects confidence. It’s an absolute furore

I'm focussing on the upward trajectory in our mean performance (even if that is harder to detect definitively in our results), and trying to shut out rather significant scatter around that mean :laughing7: :laughing7:

Arteta needs to figure out how to cut out those frustratingly sluggish starts. Against Liverpool and West Ham, the mentality might have been to keep it tight which leads to tentativeness and it goes pear-shaped from there. We are simply not playing to our strengths. Ditto the first league against Prague. If you are the home team in first leg, you need to put the fear of away goals completely out of mind.

Author:  socrates [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:07 am ]
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Darren wrote:
I think we need to rest players this weekend. The league is done, frankly. Put everything into the Europa, rest some key players in the PL and give the fringe and young players some minutes.


I thought we could have made some subs earlier, given them half and hour whilst resting the likes of Emile Smith Rowe and Saka for another day. I mean not even we could have conceded four goals in half an hour? Could we :laughing7:

Author:  TOP GUN [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:08 am ]
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Decaf wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
I totally agree but the problem Arteta has is the moment he drops any key player he gets attacked so he can’t win. The hysteria that follows any result that isn’t 3 points for us affects confidence. It’s an absolute furore

I'm focussing on the upward trajectory in our mean performance (even if that is harder to detect definitively in our results), and trying to shut out rather significant scatter around that mean :laughing7: :laughing7: .


What do you mean ? You think Arteta shouldn’t be sacked for bringing on El Nenny for 14 minutes in a sewn up game ?

Lefty woke nonsense off with the guys head.

Author:  david.d [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:25 am ]
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If we get past Villarreal I dont think my nerves /health could handle a final against Utd.
Losing to Chelsea in Baku was bad enough but losing to those tossers would be excruciating.
I'm praying Roma can knock them out but are they strong enough to? I have my doubts.
Can only hope and pray.
Utd are a very good team but so are we on our day.
But first Villarreal......

Author:  john1 [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:27 am ]
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Decaf wrote:
Darren wrote:
Same. I think last night showed exactly how powerful it can be. That picture of Lacazette will live long in the memory.

Really impressed with Lacazette this whole season: for his role on the pitch, and as an example and leader for the younger players.


He’s not perhaps quite up to the standard required for a title challenging team, but he’s an honest professional and in my opinion, a far better choice for Captain than anyone else at the moment.

And keep taking the knee; if people say they’re getting hacked off with it, it means there’s still work to do in getting rid of racism.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:29 am ]
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john1 wrote:
Decaf wrote:
Really impressed with Lacazette this whole season: for his role on the pitch, and as an example and leader for the younger players.


He’s not perhaps quite up to the standard required for a title challenging team, but he’s an honest professional and in my opinion, a far better choice for Captain than anyone else at the moment.

And keep taking the knee; if people say they’re getting hacked off with it, it means there’s still work to do in get ting rid of racism.

:53big-emoticons: :53big-emoticons:

Author:  gooner7 [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:36 am ]
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Gunfire wrote:
gooner7 wrote:
https://metro.co.uk/2021/04/16/arteta-reacts-to-powerful-alexandre-lacazette-gesture-amid-slavia-prague-race-row-14418295/?ito=newsnow-feed

Respect to Arsenal, Lacazette & his team. Stamp out Racism.


This taking the knee nonsense is beginning to grate frankly. It's over a year now.


But the ugly face of racism is still happening

Author:  Gunfire [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:05 am ]
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gooner7 wrote:
Gunfire wrote:

This taking the knee nonsense is beginning to grate frankly. It's over a year now.


But the ugly face of racism is still happening


But far less than it used to. Furthermore the knee taking is now so perfunctory and done so often it has lost its meaning if ever it had any. Certainly racists aren't going to change their ways because a bunch of highly paid players kneel down.

Author:  Gunfire [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:06 am ]
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john1 wrote:
Decaf wrote:
Really impressed with Lacazette this whole season: for his role on the pitch, and as an example and leader for the younger players.


He’s not perhaps quite up to the standard required for a title challenging team, but he’s an honest professional and in my opinion, a far better choice for Captain than anyone else at the moment.

And keep taking the knee; if people say they’re getting hacked off with it, it means there’s still work to do in getting rid of racism.


Our club told Mesut Özil to shut up for the temerity of mentioning an ongoing genocide. Somehow that racism seems not to be worthy of mention. I smell virtue signalling.

Author:  david.d [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:45 am ]
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john1 wrote:
Decaf wrote:
Really impressed with Lacazette this whole season: for his role on the pitch, and as an example and leader for the younger players.


He’s not perhaps quite up to the standard required for a title challenging team, but he’s an honest professional and in my opinion, a far better choice for Captain than anyone else at the moment.

And keep taking the knee; if people say they’re getting hacked off with it, it means there’s still work to do in getting rid of racism.

Well said John.
How anyone can get hacked off or bored of it beggars belief.

Author:  david.d [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:51 am ]
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Dont agree that we should just give up on the league.
Of course we have to give our all to winning the Europa but while there is still a chance to nick a Europa spot via top 7 we have to go for it.
We get knocked out or lose in the final at least we have achieved qualification for next season.
Spurs run in on paper is harder than ours and we are only 4 points behind them.
Top 7 still can be done.

Author:  Decaf [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:52 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Decaf wrote:
I'm focussing on the upward trajectory in our mean performance (even if that is harder to detect definitively in our results), and trying to shut out rather significant scatter around that mean :laughing7: :laughing7: .


What do you mean ? You think Arteta shouldn’t be sacked for bringing on El Nenny for 14 minutes in a sewn up game ?

Lefty woke nonsense off with the guys head.

:laughing7: :laughing7:

On reflection, I would agree that beheading would be a bit harsh.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:54 am ]
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Niall wrote:
Heard on the radio this morning that next seasons European Super Cup Final will be held in Belfast!! Here's hoping to see the arse back in town, been a while.


Really? I would LOVE to visit Belfast. As soon as this covid19 mess is over, I'm heading to games. It's interesting, the pandemic has made me feel a certain way of not being able to make games that I didn't make a great enough effort to go to prior.

I'm definitely going to some when we're able to go to it live. PS: I'll be wearing the Mustafi shirt. :1laughter:

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:57 am ]
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Never really expected to beat Chelsea in that final. However despite them being 2nd in the table and likely finish runner up, Man Utd are very vulnerable. They are no where near Ferguson's Man Utd. It's not a stretch to see us beat them and that is what would make a final nerve racking. Knowing we are definitely in with a shout and losing a game that is very winnable if we do what we all know we are capable of.

Author:  Decaf [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:09 am ]
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Gunfire wrote:
john1 wrote:

He’s not perhaps quite up to the standard required for a title challenging team, but he’s an honest professional and in my opinion, a far better choice for Captain than anyone else at the moment.

And keep taking the knee; if people say they’re getting hacked off with it, it means there’s still work to do in getting rid of racism.


Our club told Mesut Özil to shut up for the temerity of mentioning an ongoing genocide. Somehow that racism seems not to be worthy of mention. I smell virtue signalling.

Kaepernick got a lot more flak for his stand than Özil did. In my view, Özil and co should persist with their activism. Kaepernick's refusal to be cowed was certainly effective. I think that Özil's stand was arguably more political (it was a direct criticism of the Chinese government) whereas the anti-racism stance is not singling out any political entity, and it is something that football has already bought into. Finally its impossible to imagine that what we saw last night was virtue signalling from Lacazette, and the reports are that he talked to Arteta about it first. He conducted himself in a professional, and I think, inspiring way.

Author:  john1 [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:18 am ]
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Gunfire wrote:
john1 wrote:

He’s not perhaps quite up to the standard required for a title challenging team, but he’s an honest professional and in my opinion, a far better choice for Captain than anyone else at the moment.

And keep taking the knee; if people say they’re getting hacked off with it, it means there’s still work to do in getting rid of racism.


Our club told Mesut Özil to shut up for the temerity of mentioning an ongoing genocide. Somehow that racism seems not to be worthy of mention. I smell virtue signalling.


So is your argument there are so many forms of discrimination in the world that there’s no point making a stand against any of them?

Author:  Decaf [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:18 am ]
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Niall wrote:
Bernard wrote:
We’re so inconsistent. A fine win today, but we’re more than capable of dropping points against Fulham.

We can win the Europa League with the players we have. On paper the most likely final is Arsenal versus Manchester United. The respective league positions of the two clubs suggests they’re the better team. But if we have one of our good days in the final, I’d fancy us to beat them. The uncertain thing is whether we’d have one of our good days. You don’t know what Arsenal is going to turn up in any game.

I'd rather be playing Utd in a one off game than over two legs.

Heard on the radio this morning that next seasons European Super Cup Final will be held in Belfast!! Here's hoping to see the arse back in town, been a while.


The shorter the better. If we could make it a T20 cricket match or a coin toss, I'd take that. United are pretty scary at the moment. They haven't lost in the league or Europe since January (and that was a freak loss against Sheffield United.

Author:  john1 [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:20 am ]
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Decaf wrote:
Gunfire wrote:

Our club told Mesut Özil to shut up for the temerity of mentioning an ongoing genocide. Somehow that racism seems not to be worthy of mention. I smell virtue signalling.

Kaepernick got a lot more flak for his stand than Özil did. In my view, Özil and co should persist with their activism. Kaepernick's refusal to be cowed was certainly effective. I think that Özil's stand was arguably more political (it was a direct criticism of the Chinese government) whereas the anti-racism stance is not singling out any political entity, and it is something that football has already bought into. Finally its impossible to imagine that what we saw last night was virtue signalling from Lacazette, and the reports are that he talked to Arteta about it first. He conducted himself in a professional, and I think, inspiring way.


Absolutely. And we need to remember what happened at Rangers with the Slavia Prague player, who only got a 10 match ban.

Author:  Bernard [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:26 am ]
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Gunfire wrote:
But far less than it used to. Furthermore the knee taking is now so perfunctory and done so often it has lost its meaning if ever it had any. Certainly racists aren't going to change their ways because a bunch of highly paid players kneel down.

I suppose the question has to be whether ‘taking the knee’ does anything to reduce racism? I presume that cannot have been proven one way or the other considering the only player I’m aware of who has stopped doing it is Crystal Palace’s Wilfred Zaha, who is obviously black himself.

I think it’s noticeable that with every single live game shown on telly, as far as those I’ve seen the start of anyway, the commentators always make a point of saying why it’s being done. They must have been told to do so, I’m guessing to stop people forgetting why players are doing it. Without commentators doing that, would I have forgotten why it ever started? I’d like to think my memory isn’t quite so bad to have no idea at all why it started, but in years to come it would probably be no more than something in the ‘back of my mind’.

I’m not saying ‘taking the knee’ should be stopped, but I’m not convinced it does anything useful to stop racism either. It does sometimes strike me as football doing a flimsy bit of pretending to do something worthwhile, when I’m not sure it is. I feel there are measures that are immeasurably more important that could be done such as in children’s education and stopping online racial abuse, for just two examples.

I think the main thing football has done is make black players heroes to white kids and vice versa. What white kid who supported Arsenal at the time couldn’t have seen Henry, Vieira and Campbell as heroes; and what black kid who supported Arsenal couldn’t have seen Bergkamp, Petit and Adams as heroes? Hopefully exactly the same thing applies to modern white kids with Saka and black kids with Smith Rowe. The same thing will apply with young fans at other clubs.

Author:  Rich [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:34 am ]
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socrates wrote:
Darren wrote:
I think we need to rest players this weekend. The league is done, frankly. Put everything into the Europa, rest some key players in the PL and give the fringe and young players some minutes.


I thought we could have made some subs earlier, given them half and hour whilst resting the likes of Emile Smith Rowe and Saka for another day. I mean not even we could have conceded four goals in half an hour? Could we :laughing7:

I would have thought the team would have barely got out of 1st gear for most of the second half. It should have been more akin to a light jog and pronbably not that much difference whether they played 60, 70, 80 or 90 minutes other than the risk of injury by simply being on the pitch longer.
I'm talking slightly tongue in cheek here but there are games that players can physically and mentally turn down the intensity levels. For example I reckon the players who played 90 minutes yesterday would be less fatigued by the 90 minutes v Slavia than 60 minutes in a full throttle premier league game like the game v West Ham or Liverpool

Author:  john1 [ Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:35 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
Gunfire wrote:
But far less than it used to. Furthermore the knee taking is now so perfunctory and done so often it has lost its meaning if ever it had any. Certainly racists aren't going to change their ways because a bunch of highly paid players kneel down.

I suppose the question has to be whether ‘taking the knee’ does anything to reduce racism? I presume that cannot have been proven one way or the other considering the only player I’m aware of who has stopped doing it is Crystal Palace’s Wilfred Zaha, who is obviously black himself.

I think it’s noticeable that with every single live game shown on telly, as far as those I’ve seen the start of anyway, the commentators always make a point of saying why it’s being done. They must have been told to do so, I’m guessing to stop people forgetting why players are doing it. Without commentators doing that, would I have forgotten why it ever started? I’d like to think my memory isn’t quite so bad to have no idea at all why it started, but in years to come it would probably be no more than something in the ‘back of my mind’.

I’m not saying ‘taking the knee’ should be stopped, but I’m not convinced it does anything useful to stop racism either. It does sometimes strike me as football doing a flimsy bit of pretending to do something worthwhile, when I’m not sure it is. I feel there are measures that are immeasurably more important that could be done such as in children’s education and stopping online racial abuse, for just two examples.

I think the main thing football has done is make black players heroes to white kids and vice versa. What white kid who supported Arsenal at the time couldn’t have seen Henry, Vieira and Campbell as heroes; and what black kid who supported Arsenal couldn’t have seen Bergkamp, Petit and Adams as heroes? Hopefully exactly the same thing applies to modern white kids with Saka and black kids with Smith Rowe. The same thing will apply at young fans at other clubs.


Some fair points Bernard.

But taking the knee seems to me to be a highly visible, powerful statement that certainly has raised awareness, especially I think amongst the young.

We need to keep shining a light on the dark places where racism and all forms of injustice in the world exist, and this particular stance is one way of helping to achieve that. But as you say, more need to be done.

And one more thing; last night’s episode of taking the knee has got us talking about it.

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