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TOP GUN wrote:

The price for Ceballos is 23 million apparently being reported

That’s going to be a really tough call. He seems priced reasonably for his age but I’m not sure has shown enough generally whilst being promising in certain games.

It could be a good or bad piece of business considering what other ins and outs need to take place.

Judging on the last 5 games it is a good price, £23m for a 23 year old. Judged on his first half of the season you wouldn't pay it.
I suppose the question is do we need a CM 'like' Ceballos, someone who can progress play from deep - the answer is yes. So the next question is can we find someone who does that better than Ceballos for under £23m?

Also, if that is the price Real Madrid have set why should we pay what they want. Make a lower offer! Madrid will be just as desperate to raise funds for their next big signing

If we could get 100 million offloading Peripheral players like Özil, Guendouzi, Torreira and Maitland Niles. We could spend the 23 million and still have the right amount to re invest in other areas. (I still think we would need another midfield player on top of that personally.

5 subs will be allowed next season, if the PL so choose.

Transfer window will be 27 July to 5 October. Not clear if that aligns with Europe or whether it's just domestic .

TOP GUN wrote:

Özil £0m - no one is paying us a fee for him. I doubt anyone is even lining up to take him on loan even if we paid the majority of his wages
Guendouzi - I'd hope we could get £40m but in today's market we might be lucky to get £25m
Torreira - Again we should get our £25m back but more likely in the £15m range
AMN - young, english, versatile - should be £25m easily, We'll probably be able to get £15m max
I'm at maybe half of the £100m you (and I) hope for, but think £55m odd might be more realistic.

The last time we beat Liverpool was April 2015 4-1 at the Emirates, the teams that day
Arsenal: Ospina, Bellerin, Per, Kos, Monreal, Coq, Cazorla, Ramsey, Özil, Sanchez, Giroud
Liverpool: Mignolet, Can, Toure, Sakho, Henderson, Lucas, Allen, Moreno, Markovic, Coutinho, Sterling (Gerrard was suspended)

In the time since Arsenal have double the NET spend of Liverpool and only 1 player remains from Liverpool and 2 from Arsenal (Bellerin, Özil and Henderson)

The 9 players in Arsenal's team who left, left for combined fees of £35m plus whatever we deemed Sanchez was worth in the swap with Mkhitaryan

The 10 players in Liverpool's team who left, left for combined fees of £230m

Ouch!

Rich wrote:

The Coutinho transfer was absurd.

Zhaka is struggling with Liverpool's speed. We can't get any hold in midfield. They can't get the ball to Pépé and Nelson looks out of his depth. It's games like this where we are crying out for a physical enforcer in midfield.

1-1 - can we just end it now so we can save face?

Does anybody really give a *%^@?

It is my sincere ambition for our Club to finish 8th.

Anything higher will be failure.

So no VAR on that challenge?

Identical challenge on Saka that Nketiah got red for

TOP GUN wrote:

Identical challenge on Saka that Nketiah got red for

it was studs up but wasn't on the knee. Still annoying to not even see these things reviewed by VAR. We've been sent off for less though

Rich wrote:

it was studs up but wasn't on the knee. Still annoying to not even see these things reviewed by VAR. We've been sent off for less though

I think it was

Author:	Bernard [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:07 am ]
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Rich wrote: TOP GUN wrote: The price for Ceballos is 23 million apparently being reported That’s going to be a really tough call. He seems priced reasonably for his age but I’m not sure has shown enough generally whilst being promising in certain games. It could be a good or bad piece of business considering what other ins and outs need to take place. Judging on the last 5 games it is a good price, £23m for a 23 year old. Judged on his first half of the season you wouldn't pay it. I suppose the question is do we need a CM 'like' Ceballos, someone who can progress play from deep - the answer is yes. So the next question is can we find someone who does that better than Ceballos for under £23m? Also, if that is the price Real Madrid have set why should we pay what they want. Make a lower offer! Madrid will be just as desperate to raise funds for their next big signing If £23m really is the price Real Madrid want, and just as importantly he’ll be willing to join us, I’d pay it. I think winning the FA Cup is comfortably our best chance of getting into the Europa League if we somehow beat City on Saturday. I realise whoever wins the other semi will be firm favourites to beat us, but I’ve pretty well given up hope of qualifying via our league position. So I just don’t see us remaining as much of a preferred destination for new players as we used to be. That, along with the very slim (in my view) chances of finding anyone better for less than £23m, makes me say we should bite the bullet and pay it. I know Ceballos isn’t great but I simply don’t think we’re in a position to pick and choose these days. A pretty good youngish player with the ability to become very good at a more than reasonable price. Especially if he still wants to join if we don’t qualify for Europe. Too good for a club that could well be declining (thanks Stan) to turn down in my opinion.

Author:	DHD [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:37 am ]
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Great news that Man City have been exonerated and that FFP is effectively dead in the water. Now there’s nothing to stop Silent Stan from throwing a few of his billions at us. Giddy times ahead for Gooners - woooohooooo!!!

Author:	Rich [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:31 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote: If we could get 100 million offloading Peripheral players like Özil, Guendouzi, Torreira and Maitland Niles. We could spend the 23 million and still have the right amount to re invest in other areas. (I still think we would need another midfield player on top of that personally. Özil £0m - no one is paying us a fee for him. I doubt anyone is even lining up to take him on loan even if we paid the majority of his wages Guendouzi - I'd hope we could get £40m but in today's market we might be lucky to get £25m Torreira - Again we should get our £25m back but more likely in the £15m range AMN - young, english, versatile - should be £25m easily, We'll probably be able to get £15m max I'm at maybe half of the £100m you (and I) hope for, but think £55m odd might be more realistic.

Author:	DHD [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 2:40 pm ]
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5 subs will be allowed next season, if the PL so choose. Transfer window will be 27 July to 5 October. Not clear if that aligns with Europe or whether it's just domestic .

Author:	Ash [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:03 pm ]
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DHD wrote: 5 subs will be allowed next season, if the PL so choose. Transfer window will be 27 July to 5 October. Not clear if that aligns with Europe or whether it's just domestic . That talk I've heard is that it will be adopted. Of the top two you'd think it would favour City rather than Liverpool in terms of squad quality, but I'm less fussed about it than I thought I might be. What I want to see is blood and concussion replacements, a temporary sub allowed so you can assess a player for concussion or injury before you send them back on. And bloody stop start game timers, this injury time bollocks is so old. Sub coming on? Stop the clock. Injury? Stop the clock. That might actually help the game. I'm not sure what the 5 subs rule is actually addressing other than a nod to the richer clubs amassing players into huge squads.

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Author:	TOP GUN [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 3:24 pm ]
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Rich wrote: TOP GUN wrote: If we could get 100 million offloading Peripheral players like Özil, Guendouzi, Torreira and Maitland Niles. We could spend the 23 million and still have the right amount to re invest in other areas. (I still think we would need another midfield player on top of that personally. Özil £0m - no one is paying us a fee for him. I doubt anyone is even lining up to take him on loan even if we paid the majority of his wages Guendouzi - I'd hope we could get £40m but in today's market we might be lucky to get £25m Torreira - Again we should get our £25m back but more likely in the £15m range AMN - young, english, versatile - should be £25m easily, We'll probably be able to get £15m max I'm at maybe half of the £100m you (and I) hope for, but think £55m odd might be more realistic. Seems a little pessimistic. We should get over 20 million for Torreira, 15 is just robbery. If Guendouzi is as amazing as Bernard thinks he should be over 30. Might need to sell Kolasinac or Lacazette. Wish we could unload any of the infinite amount of duff centre backs we have accumulated

Author:	TOP GUN [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:30 pm ]
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Uh oh rumours abound Tierney might start as left centre back with Kolasinac dropped and left in the back of his g wagon. Gaz may be forced to fall back on his weird logic and admit Arteta rates him. More to follow as this breaks ...

Author:	Rich [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 4:59 pm ]
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The last time we beat Liverpool was April 2015 4-1 at the Emirates, the teams that day Arsenal: Ospina, Bellerin, Per, Kos, Monreal, Coq, Cazorla, Ramsey, Özil, Sanchez, Giroud Liverpool: Mignolet, Can, Toure, Sakho, Henderson, Lucas, Allen, Moreno, Markovic, Coutinho, Sterling (Gerrard was suspended) In the time since Arsenal have double the NET spend of Liverpool and only 1 player remains from Liverpool and 2 from Arsenal (Bellerin, Özil and Henderson) The 9 players in Arsenal's team who left, left for combined fees of £35m plus whatever we deemed Sanchez was worth in the swap with Mkhitaryan The 10 players in Liverpool's team who left, left for combined fees of £230m Ouch!

Author:	dec [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:59 pm ]
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Rich wrote: The last time we beat Liverpool was April 2015 4-1 at the Emirates, the teams that day Arsenal: Ospina, Bellerin, Per, Kos, Monreal, Coq, Cazorla, Ramsey, Özil, Sanchez, Giroud Liverpool: Mignolet, Can, Toure, Sakho, Henderson, Lucas, Allen, Moreno, Markovic, Coutinho, Sterling (Gerrard was suspended) In the time since Arsenal have double the NET spend of Liverpool and only 1 player remains from Liverpool and 2 from Arsenal (Bellerin, Özil and Henderson) The 9 players in Arsenal's team who left, left for combined fees of £35m plus whatever we deemed Sanchez was worth in the swap with Mkhitaryan The 10 players in Liverpool's team who left, left for combined fees of £230m Ouch! The Coutinho transfer was absurd.

Author:	Ash [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:04 pm ]
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dec wrote: Rich wrote: The last time we beat Liverpool was April 2015 4-1 at the Emirates, the teams that day Arsenal: Ospina, Bellerin, Per, Kos, Monreal, Coq, Cazorla, Ramsey, Özil, Sanchez, Giroud Liverpool: Mignolet, Can, Toure, Sakho, Henderson, Lucas, Allen, Moreno, Markovic, Coutinho, Sterling (Gerrard was suspended) In the time since Arsenal have double the NET spend of Liverpool and only 1 player remains from Liverpool and 2 from Arsenal (Bellerin, Özil and Henderson) The 9 players in Arsenal's team who left, left for combined fees of £35m plus whatever we deemed Sanchez was worth in the swap with Mkhitaryan The 10 players in Liverpool's team who left, left for combined fees of £230m Ouch! The Coutinho transfer was absurd. Liverpool clearly created another user to take control of Barca for the sole purpose of buying him. I’m surprised they didn’t sign Messi for a fiver. It’s cheating but we’ve all done it.

Author:	Rich [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:29 pm ]
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Martinez with his first big mistake, lucky not to be punished. dallied on a clerance and it hit Firminho and hit the post

Author:	Rich [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:33 pm ]
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dec wrote: The Coutinho transfer was absurd. It was the perfect storm for them. Barca had just had their nose massively put out of joint by PSG actually having the audacity to meet Neymar's absurd buy-out clause - and he decided to go. Barca felt they needed to make a statement to prove they were still top dogs and saw a Brazilian they fancied. Perfectly for Liverpool it was a brazilian who didn't fit in to their managers system. £130m euros later Liverpool had signed Allison and Van Dijk and won the two biggest trophies going

Author:	Rich [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:37 pm ]
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well, that had been coming. as easy as you like for liverpool. We keep clearing the ball but cant get out of our half Nelsen is then in but chooses not to shoot.

Author:	Rich [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:39 pm ]
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The sad thing for me when we play these best teams is we never really even get close to them, never make it uncomfortable for them. But nearly every other prem side has at least once in the last 3 years given them a rough ride or really made them sweat or work for their goals and victory

Author:	dec [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:42 pm ]
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Zhaka is struggling with Liverpool's speed. We can't get any hold in midfield. They can't get the ball to Pépé and Nelson looks out of his depth. It's games like this where we are crying out for a physical enforcer in midfield.

Author:	Rich [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:45 pm ]
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this is pretty embarrassing how we cant even move the ball out of our own half. Liverpool press high, we pass it short from goal kicks - we need to change it up because the last 15 minutes I don't think we've even touched the ball in their half

Author:	Rich [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:47 pm ]
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dec wrote: Zhaka is struggling with Liverpool's speed. We can't get any hold in midfield. They can't get the ball to Pépé and Nelson looks out of his depth. It's games like this where we are crying out for a physical enforcer in midfield. It is a real eye opener in the lack of physicality, pace, athleticism and mobility in the team. Every single Liverpool player is better than his Arsenal opponent

Author:	Rich [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:48 pm ]
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well well well van Dijk can mess up as well. A gift for Lacazette 1-1

Author:	Rich [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:51 pm ]
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1-1 - can we just end it now so we can save face?

Author:	DHD [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:59 pm ]
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*%^@ me

Author:	Lincoln gooner [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 7:59 pm ]
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Rich wrote: 1-1 - can we just end it now so we can save face? Are you sure. Nelson!!!!

Author:	Rich [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:00 pm ]
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well well well Another Liverpool mistake and we take advantage again 2-1. Nelson To be fair we've been all over them, it had been coming.....

Author:	DHD [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:08 pm ]
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Does anybody really give a *%^@? It is my sincere ambition for our Club to finish 8th. Anything higher will be failure.

Author:	Ash [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:09 pm ]
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DHD wrote: Does anybody really give a *%^@? It is my sincere ambition for our Club to finish 8th. Anything higher will be failure. Anything higher would also be a miracle..

Author:	TOP GUN [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:17 pm ]
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Hysterical half Nelson was having a shocker until the goal. They are gonna batter us 2nd half

Author:	TOP GUN [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:21 pm ]
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Identical challenge on Saka that Nketiah got red for

Author:	DHD [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:22 pm ]
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So no VAR on that challenge?

Author:	Rich [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:22 pm ]
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ah the benefit of being champions, Liverpool with a big appeal for hand ball, ref was never going to give it until he succumbed to all the appeals

Author:	john1 [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:23 pm ]
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DHD wrote: So no VAR on that challenge? Of course not. It wasn’t an Arsenal player doing the fouling.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:23 pm ]
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DHD wrote: Replay it 20 times From one angle only.

Author:	Ash [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:23 pm ]
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liverpool getting the rub of the green all year, and us getting whatever the opposite is. How many points is that worth do we think over a season or two?

Author:	Rich [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:23 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote: Identical challenge on Saka that Nketiah got red for it was studs up but wasn't on the knee. Still annoying to not even see these things reviewed by VAR. We've been sent off for less though

Author:	DHD [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:24 pm ]
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Rich wrote: TOP GUN wrote: Identical challenge on Saka that Nketiah got red for it was studs up but wasn't on the knee. Still annoying to not even see these things reviewed by VAR. We've been sent off for less though I think it was Edit It wasn’t. Just above the ankle.

Author:	john1 [ Wed Jul 15, 2020 8:27 pm ]
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DHD wrote: Rich wrote: it was studs up but wasn't on the knee. Still annoying to not even see these things reviewed by VAR. We've been sent off for less though I think it was Again no consistency and VAR was supposed to improve that