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Author:  long time gooner [ Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:48 am ]
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bubblechris wrote:
Rich wrote:
Arteta is right to highlight the unfairness of playing late on Wednesday and then the early kick off on the Saturday. Klopp and Solksjaer have called it out in the past. It is a crazy schedule. And before people say we’ve had it easy with 1 game a week and when we play in Europe again we’ll have this schedule more often - it’s not about playing 2 games a week it’s about having to play the early game on a Saturday. If you play on a Wednesday there is no way your next game should be Saturday morning.
did he not mention we play on Monday evening as well?

No we don’t. Unless you’re looking at the April fixture.

Author:  dec [ Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:42 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Hazuki wrote:
Exactly that. It's not a game plan you rely on willingly, it's one you choose when you don't have the quality to get results any other way. Anyone being honest in their assassment would prefer a team that can impose their own game on the opponents.

Arsenal over the last decade or more can probably be accused of not being pragmatic enough in the big games, but in these last two home games against City and Liverpool it wasn't a lack of pragmatism that were our downfall. Liverpool didn't tear us apart last night, they just took advantage of the little we gave them. It's a lesson to learn, but not a bad one in the grand scheme of things.

And we played a Liverpool (once again) at their best.

Sorry Rich, but that wasn't Liverpool at their best. Mo Salah is probably the best player in the world. He was on the bench. Jota and Diaz didn't have good games. Robertson said after the game that they knew at half time that they needed to play better, which they did in the second half.

Author:  Hazuki [ Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:57 pm ]
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dec wrote:
Sorry Rich, but that wasn't Liverpool at their best. Mo Salah is probably the best player in the world. He was on the bench. Jota and Diaz didn't have good games. Robertson said after the game that they knew at half time that they needed to play better, which they did in the second half.

Of course they weren't at their very best in this specific game (part of that is probably us making it very difficult for them) but overall they're absolutely flying at the moment with 14 wins and a loss in their last 15 games. Not like when we faced them in the second leg of the EFL Cup and they had two draws and a loss in their last five.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:14 pm ]
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dec wrote:
Rich wrote:
And we played a Liverpool (once again) at their best.

Sorry Rich, but that wasn't Liverpool at their best. Mo Salah is probably the best player in the world. He was on the bench. Jota and Diaz didn't have good games. Robertson said after the game that they knew at half time that they needed to play better, which they did in the second half.


These comments seem to do us a disservice. At the end of the day it took them a goalkeeping mistake to get them playing. Until then they were not much kop and they should have been one down.

At anfield in the first half they didn’t do much again until Rob Holding forgot to mark someone at a set piece.

They just have way more firepower than us in the final third. That to me seems the difference

Author:  Rich [ Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:42 pm ]
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Arsenal restricted Liverpool to their lowest xG of the season last night, it was also only the second time Liverpool had fewer than 10 shots in a game this season.

Author:  Rich [ Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:44 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
dec wrote:
Sorry Rich, but that wasn't Liverpool at their best. Mo Salah is probably the best player in the world. He was on the bench. Jota and Diaz didn't have good games. Robertson said after the game that they knew at half time that they needed to play better, which they did in the second half.

Of course they weren't at their very best in this specific game (part of that is probably us making it very difficult for them) but overall they're absolutely flying at the moment with 14 wins and a loss in their last 15 games. Not like when we faced them in the second leg of the EFL Cup and they had two draws and a loss in their last five.

And absolutely ruthless and clinical with their finishing and almost perfect in their defending. Any criticism of Liverpool’s performance is down to how we played them not because they were poor.

Author:  dec [ Thu Mar 17, 2022 2:16 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
dec wrote:
Sorry Rich, but that wasn't Liverpool at their best. Mo Salah is probably the best player in the world. He was on the bench. Jota and Diaz didn't have good games. Robertson said after the game that they knew at half time that they needed to play better, which they did in the second half.


These comments seem to do us a disservice. At the end of the day it took them a goalkeeping mistake to get them playing. Until then they were not much kop and they should have been one down.

At anfield in the first half they didn’t do much again until Rob Holding forgot to mark someone at a set piece.

They just have way more firepower than us in the final third. That to me seems the difference

I'm not doing Arsenal a disservice and I'm not trying to either. The effort levels from the players was excellent. I'm simply disagreeing that Liverpool were at their best last night. As I said, they didn't even start their best player. I thought we did very well in the first half but our shortcomings at centre forward was very obvious.

Author:  Decaf [ Thu Mar 17, 2022 2:20 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:


Did anyone say project? Get to work, agent Ødegaard

If only ...

Would be such a perfect fit.

Author:  dec [ Thu Mar 17, 2022 2:28 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Hazuki wrote:
Of course they weren't at their very best in this specific game (part of that is probably us making it very difficult for them) but overall they're absolutely flying at the moment with 14 wins and a loss in their last 15 games. Not like when we faced them in the second leg of the EFL Cup and they had two draws and a loss in their last five.

And absolutely ruthless and clinical with their finishing and almost perfect in their defending. Any criticism of Liverpool’s performance is down to how we played them not because they were poor.

And I never said they were poor, but you said they were at their best. Both Souness and Carragher praised Arsenal at half time but also said Liverpool would need to up their performance and Robertson said the same after the game.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu Mar 17, 2022 6:09 pm ]
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dec wrote:
Rich wrote:
And absolutely ruthless and clinical with their finishing and almost perfect in their defending. Any criticism of Liverpool’s performance is down to how we played them not because they were poor.

And I never said they were poor, but you said they were at their best. Both Souness and Carragher praised Arsenal at half time but also said Liverpool would need to up their performance and Robertson said the same after the game.

I just disagree with the notion that Liverpool were below par then blew us away when they finally felt up to it like it was their decision.

If Ramsdale had a stronger hand and saka actually cleared his lines would we be saying Liverpool stepped up.

Author:  Rich [ Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:51 pm ]
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dec wrote:
Rich wrote:
And absolutely ruthless and clinical with their finishing and almost perfect in their defending. Any criticism of Liverpool’s performance is down to how we played them not because they were poor.

And I never said they were poor, but you said they were at their best. Both Souness and Carragher praised Arsenal at half time but also said Liverpool would need to up their performance and Robertson said the same after the game.

I’ve seen Liverpool beat teams 6-0 with unrelenting fast attacking football, but I don’t see those games as a measure of ‘their best’. I’ve watched a lot of Liverpool over the last 3 or so years because I actually really appreciate the way they play. For them to shut us out barring one mistake and one late Martinelli curler and ruthlessly stick away the two big chances they did create showed how good they were particularly when most Arsenal fans would have said we played pretty well.
The point I was trying to make about getting Liverpool at their best was in relation to other games I’ve seen them certainly not at their best and they still won those games. I think they had to be at or close to their best to beat us- which hasn’t always been the case. Also that’s different to us losing to Man City at home because I don’t think City played well and were helped by a fair bit of luck that day.

Author:  Hazuki [ Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:01 pm ]
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Some of the weirdest scenes I've ever seen in Everton - Newcastle just now. Someone from the crowd just ran down and tied himself to a goalpost, looked like some sort of protest. They managed to cut him loose, but he refused to leave and laid down on the pitch, leading to someone else running down from the crowd to give him a beating. Everton are something else this season.

Author:  Rich [ Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:48 pm ]
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Allan red card tonight, upgraded by the ref having been referred to the pitch side monitor, this is the sort of tackle that I complain someone like Xhaka gets a red for but no one else does. I think you can make an argument for a red because he’s nowhere near the ball, it’s a lunge etc but I think it is rare that these sorts of tackles get a straight red.

Author:  Rich [ Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:51 pm ]
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https://twitter.com/tikitakaconnor/stat ... 14272?s=21

Find myself agreeing more and more with a lot of what Carragher says nowadays- more so than Neville.

Author:  long time gooner [ Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:26 am ]
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That West Ham win last night isn’t helpful. If they win the Europa League then they take one of the Champions League places.

Author:  Rich [ Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:55 am ]
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long time gooner wrote:
That West Ham win last night isn’t helpful. If they win the Europa League then they take one of the Champions League places.

I dont think it does. There would be 5 in the CL but 4th place in the league would have to go in the qualifying round.

The bigger threat was the potential for Man U to win the CL and West Ham win EL and both finish outside top 4. Then 4th place would not get CL.

Author:  Bernard [ Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:40 am ]
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Rich wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
That West Ham win last night isn’t helpful. If they win the Europa League then they take one of the Champions League places.

I dont think it does. There would be 5 in the CL but 4th place in the league would have to go in the qualifying round.

The bigger threat was the potential for Man U to win the CL and West Ham win EL and both finish outside top 4. Then 4th place would not get CL.

You’re right Rich. I posted a report the other day that a maximum of five clubs are allowed in the Champions League from any one country.

So Arsenal would not get in it by finishing fourth behind Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea if both West Ham won the Europa League and Manchester United win the Champions League as winning the European trophies comes above finishing fourth in the Premier League as a criterion for Champions League qualification.

Gladly Manchester United were knocked out a couple of days ago, meaning they can’t win the Champions League. Hence even if West Ham win the Europa League, fourth place will still get us in it.

Author:  Rich [ Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:43 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
Rich wrote:
I dont think it does. There would be 5 in the CL but 4th place in the league would have to go in the qualifying round.

The bigger threat was the potential for Man U to win the CL and West Ham win EL and both finish outside top 4. Then 4th place would not get CL.

You’re right Rich. I posted a report the other day that a maximum of five clubs are allowed in the Champions League from any one country.

So Arsenal would not get in it by finishing fourth behind Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea if both West Ham won the Europa League and Manchester United win the Champions League as winning the European trophies comes above finishing fourth in the Premier League as a criterion for Champions League qualification.

Gladly Manchester United were knocked out a couple of days ago, meaning they can’t win the Champions League. Hence even if West Ham win the Europa League, fourth place will still get us in it.

I suppose the only permutation now would be Chelsea finishing 5th, Arsenal 4th and West Ham 6th but both Chelsea and West Ham winning in europe, then we’d be out of CL

Author:  long time gooner [ Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:51 am ]
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Rich wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
That West Ham win last night isn’t helpful. If they win the Europa League then they take one of the Champions League places.

I dont think it does. There would be 5 in the CL but 4th place in the league would have to go in the qualifying round.

The bigger threat was the potential for Man U to win the CL and West Ham win EL and both finish outside top 4. Then 4th place would not get CL.

Ah that sounds better. Thanks for that.

I can remember us playing qualifying games and we always seemed to draw tough opposition albeit successfully.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Fri Mar 18, 2022 10:27 am ]
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We are playing again tomorrow away. That’s just mental.

If we come away from that with 3 points I’d be surprised. That’s 3 massive games in 6 days.

I hope Mikel freshens it up but I think he’s concerned with disrupting the balance of the side.

Author:  Bernard [ Fri Mar 18, 2022 11:35 am ]
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Rich wrote:
Bernard wrote:
You’re right Rich. I posted a report the other day that a maximum of five clubs are allowed in the Champions League from any one country.

So Arsenal would not get in it by finishing fourth behind Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea if both West Ham won the Europa League and Manchester United win the Champions League as winning the European trophies comes above finishing fourth in the Premier League as a criterion for Champions League qualification.

Gladly Manchester United were knocked out a couple of days ago, meaning they can’t win the Champions League. Hence even if West Ham win the Europa League, fourth place will still get us in it.

I suppose the only permutation now would be Chelsea finishing 5th, Arsenal 4th and West Ham 6th but both Chelsea and West Ham winning in europe, then we’d be out of CL

That would take Manchester United or Tottenham (only one of them, not both) putting such a run together that they finish third, above not only Arsenal in fourth but above Chelsea in fifth. It probably isn’t impossible but the balance of probabilities make it look extremely unrealistic.

Author:  Decaf [ Fri Mar 18, 2022 1:03 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
dec wrote:
And I never said they were poor, but you said they were at their best. Both Souness and Carragher praised Arsenal at half time but also said Liverpool would need to up their performance and Robertson said the same after the game.

I just disagree with the notion that Liverpool were below par then blew us away when they finally felt up to it like it was their decision.

If Ramsdale had a stronger hand and saka actually cleared his lines would we be saying Liverpool stepped up.


I don't blame Ramsdale for that goal although it always looks bad when it goes through the hand and is at the near post. It was a very well struck shot indeed. Ditto Saka. We're a goal down and he needs to try to make things happen. It's just unfortunate that Liverpool took advantage so ruthlessless.

I'm torn between 'we were unlucky' and 'Liverpool were more ruthless'.

What is encouraging is that the gap in quality between us and the top three looks much smaller now.

Third time lucky with Chelsea?

Author:  Zed [ Fri Mar 18, 2022 4:28 pm ]
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Conte just a bit upset over Mikel's fixture congestion complaints.

Author:  Decaf [ Fri Mar 18, 2022 5:59 pm ]
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Zed wrote:
Conte just a bit upset over Mikel's fixture congestion complaints.

Good.

Author:  Rich [ Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:07 pm ]
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Zed wrote:
Conte just a bit upset over Mikel's fixture congestion complaints.

If we wanted a response on fairness in football it probably shouldn’t come from a manager who was given a 10 month ban as part of the biggest match fixing scandal to hit Italy for decades

Author:  long time gooner [ Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:03 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Zed wrote:
Conte just a bit upset over Mikel's fixture congestion complaints.

If we wanted a response on fairness in football it probably shouldn’t come from a manager who was given a 10 month ban as part of the biggest match fixing scandal to hit Italy for decades

I’d quite forgotten that.

Author:  Zed [ Sat Mar 19, 2022 12:29 am ]
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long time gooner wrote:
Rich wrote:
If we wanted a response on fairness in football it probably shouldn’t come from a manager who was given a 10 month ban as part of the biggest match fixing scandal to hit Italy for decades

I’d quite forgotten that.

The Conte match fixing I'd even forgotten about. Think that was that one episode in that Bad Sport series on Netflix. The episode called Soccergate. Seems Conte forgot about it as well. In all due fairness... :8surprise:

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Mar 19, 2022 5:24 am ]
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Only a few days rest, must win game, and Villa are a tough nut to crack ( :12hello-bye: at ltg....lol), but if we play anywhere close to what we did in the Liverpool game, we should win. A draw is probably a fair result on paper if you look at everything I would guess. But, we must do it.

I'm hoping West Ham takes points if not a win but a win will be tough. I like them this season. Proud of how consistently tough they are to play. I'd hate to lose out to 4th but West Ham is the only one of the three (sperz, Man Utd), I wouldn't begrudge.

Let's do it!

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:25 am ]
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...and why the early kick off? It's a conspiracy.

Author:  Bernard [ Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:29 am ]
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It’s an early kick off because the game is live on telly. BT Sport to be precise.

Author:  Decaf [ Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:30 am ]
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Zed wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
I’d quite forgotten that.

The Conte match fixing I'd even forgotten about. Think that was that one episode in that Bad Sport series on Netflix. The episode called Soccergate. Seems Conte forgot about it as well. In all due fairness... :8surprise:

He does go on a bit about what he doesn't forget. Arsenal making a perfectly legitimate application to have a game postponed sticks in the memory and causes deep resentment. The 'other stuff' somehow just doesn't register.

I hope Arteta keeps getting under his skin!

Author:  Decaf [ Sat Mar 19, 2022 8:31 am ]
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AmericanGooner wrote:
Only a few days rest, must win game, and Villa are a tough nut to crack ( :12hello-bye: at ltg....lol), but if we play anywhere close to what we did in the Liverpool game, we should win. A draw is probably a fair result on paper if you look at everything I would guess. But, we must do it.

I'm hoping West Ham takes points if not a win but a win will be tough. I like them this season. Proud of how consistently tough they are to play. I'd hate to lose out to 4th but West Ham is the only one of the three (sperz, Man Utd), I wouldn't begrudge.

Let's do it!

A point wouldn't be a disaster at all.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:09 am ]
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I think this will be a tough game.

Honestly I would mix it up and bring in Lokonga, Emile Smith Rowe and Pépé but I bet we don’t. The concern is around disrupting the front 3 would be why we won’t change it.


I don’t think a point would be bad but it wouldn’t be good. 6 points thought from the 3 fixtures this week would be superb and any of us would have took that at the start of the week.

I’ve been to villa park before and it’s a tough place to go. I still have nightmares about a nil nil league cup semi there once when we had David Hillier in midfield and we went out on away goals.

Author:  long time gooner [ Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:35 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
I think this will be a tough game.

Honestly I would mix it up and bring in Lokonga, Emile Smith Rowe and Pépé but I bet we don’t. The concern is around disrupting the front 3 would be why we won’t change it.


I don’t think a point would be bad but it wouldn’t be good. 6 points thought from the 3 fixtures this week would be superb and any of us would have took that at the start of the week.

I’ve been to villa park before and it’s a tough place to go. I still have nightmares about a nil nil league cup semi there once when we had David Hillier in midfield and we went out on away goals.

Remember that time when we were 2-0 at half time. Then a parachutist got it horribly wrong (he ended up losing a leg). The second half was delayed and we then lost 2-3.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:39 am ]
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long time gooner wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
I think this will be a tough game.

Honestly I would mix it up and bring in Lokonga, Emile Smith Rowe and Pépé but I bet we don’t. The concern is disrupting the front 3 would be why we won’t change it.


I don’t think a point would be bad but it wouldn’t be good. 6 points thought from the 3 fixtures this week would be superb and any of us would have took that at the start of the week.

I’ve been to villa park before and it’s a tough place to go. I still have nightmares about a nil nil league cup semi there once when we had David Hillier in midfield and we went out on away goals.

Remember that time when we were 2-0 at half time. Then a parachutist got it horribly wrong (he ended up losing a leg). The second half was delayed and we then lost 2-3.


Is that the same game. I thought it ended 2 all at home.

If I recall Dennis Bergkamp put on an absolute masterclass in football in the first half but somehow we drew.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:42 am ]
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Think this was it. Absolute masterclass

https://youtu.be/rRIpKzrd5Y8

I went to the return leg we drew and it was a shocker

Author:  socrates [ Sat Mar 19, 2022 10:45 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
I think this will be a tough game.

Honestly I would mix it up and bring in Lokonga, Emile Smith Rowe and Pépé but I bet we don’t. The concern is around disrupting the front 3 would be why we won’t change it.


I don’t think a point would be bad but it wouldn’t be good. 6 points thought from the 3 fixtures this week would be superb and any of us would have took that at the start of the week.

I’ve been to villa park before and it’s a tough place to go. I still have nightmares about a nil nil league cup semi there once when we had David Hillier in midfield and we went out on away goals.


I agree, tough game, especially if we are a bit leggy.

I think rotation is a must at some point with a number of players probably in the red zone of a possible hamstring pull or groin strain, or worse.

Unfortunately, we don't have a CF who can bang in a couple of goals out of nothing if we aren't playing well so if we are off the pace and not right at it both mentally and physically it could be a long afternoon.

Author:  Hazuki [ Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:22 am ]
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Rich wrote:
Zed wrote:
Conte just a bit upset over Mikel's fixture congestion complaints.

If we wanted a response on fairness in football it probably shouldn’t come from a manager who was given a 10 month ban as part of the biggest match fixing scandal to hit Italy for decades

There's also this:



Really don't get the controversy surrounding Arteta's comments. All managers complain about these things, it's about protecting your team and putting some pressure on the PL.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:30 am ]
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No Ramsdale

Author:  Hazuki [ Sat Mar 19, 2022 11:33 am ]
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Leno and Smith-Rowe starts, Ramsdale and Martinelli not in the squad

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