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Author:  Ash [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:24 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
bubblechris wrote:

I can't believe you've taken part in team sports if that's what you think LTG.

He could have booked Ayew in the first half. He could have given us less yellows. So how does that affect the scoreline then?


Potentially by affecting the game itself, the mindset of players, but these are all ifs and buts now.

Anyway, I’m sorry for this but...

come on Tottenham!

Whenever I want them to win they lose anyway, even my treachery backfires. They just bring me no joy.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:45 pm ]
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Two main wishes for the rest of the season (among a few), Liverpool lose and we beat Tottenham and get a 'two fer' with Mourinho in charge.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:01 pm ]
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Liverpool should have been 1 up with a free header but other than that Tottenham looking good. Give mourinho time to prepare for one match and he's tough to beat.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:08 pm ]
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Mother, father, cocker spaniel. C'mon scum.


Author:  Rich [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:22 pm ]
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bromley gooner wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
He could have booked Ayew in the first half. He could have given us less yellows. So how does that affect the scoreline then?

Agree LTG. Nitpicking over referees decisions is pointless. I didn't notice any major errors, though I thought Ayew deserved a yellow and AMN didn't.

I agree that the odd yellow or foul or not don’t affect the score, but a constant stream of yellows for one team whilst letting the other team off mean that the team getting the yellows have to be half a yard slower to every press or every tackle.
Someone like Ayew was obviously pressing and harassing the defence, he made 7 fouls and must have stopped us building as we wanted from the back, of he goes in the book every arsenal defender has an extra second on the ball (for example). It is tiny details but they do influence the way a game can develop especially for a team who is intent on getting in your face

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:24 pm ]
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The AG good luck charm can only do so much.
:42laughter:

Author:  Bernard [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:37 pm ]
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AmericanGooner wrote:
Let's appeal the red card and see if we get a reduction some how.

Don’t know if it’s still the case, but I thought bans could previously be increased by frivolous appeals. Appealing against Aubameyang’s sending off would be totally frivolous so if that rule is still in place, appealing would be far more likely to get him an extra game ban than a game less. It was a sending off all day long.

Author:  Zed [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:46 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
AmericanGooner wrote:
Let's appeal the red card and see if we get a reduction some how.

Don’t know if it’s still the case, but I thought bans could previously be increased by frivolous appeals. Appealing against Aubameyang’s sending off would be totally frivolous so if that rule is still in place, appealing would be far more likely to get him an extra game ban than a game less. It was a sending off all day long.

Hi B,
What was amazing is all the fouls the ref let Ayew get by with.

Author:  Bernard [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:52 pm ]
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Zed wrote:
Hi B,
What was amazing is all the fouls the ref let Ayew get by with.

Hi, can’t say I noticed them at the game. We’re any really naughty or was it just the sheer number of them?

Author:  Rich [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:06 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
AmericanGooner wrote:
Let's appeal the red card and see if we get a reduction some how.

Don’t know if it’s still the case, but I thought bans could previously be increased by frivolous appeals. Appealing against Aubameyang’s sending off would be totally frivolous so if that rule is still in place, appealing would be far more likely to get him an extra game ban than a game less. It was a sending off all day long.

Well spurs appealed Son kicking his studs in to the chest of Rudiger and didn’t get an extra game fan for frivolous appeal. That was as clear as you want for violent conduct

Author:  Rich [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:08 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
Zed wrote:
Hi B,
What was amazing is all the fouls the ref let Ayew get by with.

Hi, can’t say I noticed them at the game. We’re any really naughty or was it just the sheer number of them?

The frustrating thing was he made a point of booking Lacazette for tallying up of fouls, none of which were yellows on their own, so he showed he was aware of accumulated fouls by players needing a yellow.

I think Opta tweeted Ayew is the first player to commit 7 fouls in a game and not be booked

Author:  Bernard [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:09 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Bernard wrote:
Don’t know if it’s still the case, but I thought bans could previously be increased by frivolous appeals. Appealing against Aubameyang’s sending off would be totally frivolous so if that rule is still in place, appealing would be far more likely to get him an extra game ban than a game less. It was a sending off all day long.

Well spurs appealed Son kicking his studs in to the chest of Rudiger and didn’t get an extra game fan for frivolous appeal. That was as clear as you want for violent conduct

No way was Son’s appeal as frivolous as Aubameyang’s would be. Sorry, not even remotely comparable.

Author:  Rich [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:20 pm ]
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Aubameyang misses sheff Utd at home, Chelsea away and Bournemouth away in the cup. He’d have likely been rested for the cup game.

Martinelli and Nelson can fill in on the left. Noticed when Martinelli came on today he went on the right and Pépé to the left.

When you see who has scored our away goals this season it’s clear what we’ll miss against chelsea.

Arteta has made us a lot more difficult to score against, we’re giving up fewer goals, fewer chances and fewer shots. Now we need to get going in the other direction. Having zero goal threat from any of our midfield is not great

Author:  Rich [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:23 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
Rich wrote:
Well spurs appealed Son kicking his studs in to the chest of Rudiger and didn’t get an extra game fan for frivolous appeal. That was as clear as you want for violent conduct

No way was Son’s appeal as frivolous as Aubameyang’s would be. Sorry, not even remotely comparable.

Aubameyang’s tackle is much more likely to injure a player than Son’s kick out but in terms of the rules of the game I think Son’s is a more obvious red because there is very little leeway in kicking out at an opponent off the ball. Aubameyang type tackles are let off red cards far more often that Son’s kick to the chest in my view

Author:  Bernard [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:50 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Aubameyang’s tackle is much more likely to injure a player than Son’s kick out but in terms of the rules of the game I think Son’s is a more obvious red because there is very little leeway in kicking out at an opponent off the ball. Aubameyang type tackles are let off red cards far more often that Son’s kick to the chest in my view

Then sorry but I’m afraid I think your views on this particular issue are barmy. Son was rightfully sent off. But perhaps the appeal was based on a claim that Son’s kick had something to do with the way he fell. Laughable in itself, but in my opinion less frivolous than saying Aubameyang shouldn’t have been sent off. I think it’s far more likely that some players might get away with a Son type kick than an Aubameyang type foul.

Author:  Rich [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:29 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
Rich wrote:
Aubameyang’s tackle is much more likely to injure a player than Son’s kick out but in terms of the rules of the game I think Son’s is a more obvious red because there is very little leeway in kicking out at an opponent off the ball. Aubameyang type tackles are let off red cards far more often that Son’s kick to the chest in my view

Then sorry but I’m afraid I think your views on this particular issue are barmy. Son was rightfully sent off. But perhaps the appeal was based on a claim that Son’s kick had something to do with the way he fell. Laughable in itself, but in my opinion less frivolous than saying Aubameyang shouldn’t have been sent off. I think it’s far more likely that some players might get away with a Son type kick than an Aubameyang type foul.

Well we’ll have to agree to disagree because I’ve seen so many of the Aubameyang type foul not given reds over the years. Son’s kick outs are more rare and often if not spotted in a match are upgraded with video.

Author:  Rich [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:32 pm ]
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What is the view on the Robertson challenge doing the rounds on social media? He over runs the ball, lunges in, to pokes the ball away a split second before the spurs player gets there and his follow through is with his studs on the shin of the planted leg of the spurs player.
I’ve seen neutral fans say it’s a red card and I’ve seen others say it’s not even a foul.

Didn’t Torriera get a straight red v spurs for something similar? Winning the ball but a careless and reckless follow through got him the red?

Author:  Ash [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:55 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
What is the view on the Robertson challenge doing the rounds on social media? He over runs the ball, lunges in, to pokes the ball away a split second before the spurs player gets there and his follow through is with his studs on the shin of the planted leg of the spurs player.
I’ve seen neutral fans say it’s a red card and I’ve seen others say it’s not even a foul.

Didn’t Torriera get a straight red v spurs for something similar? Winning the ball but a careless and reckless follow through got him the red?


‘Going over the ball’ type challenges have been specifically mentioned as a type of challenge along with tackling from behind and the ‘scissor tackle’ that referees were specifically trying to clamp down on quite a while ago if I remember correctly. So that fact that you get the ball should be irrelevant, how you make the contact should be seen in isolation. Out of control, in the air, reckless etc.

If he was lunging and out of control, sounds like a red to me if he was studs on the shin of the spurs player

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:43 pm ]
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If Liverpool go unbeaten in the league, I want them to win the treble so Man Utd feels the pain as well. (assuming of course someone else knocks us out)

Author:  kiwipete [ Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:22 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
Rich wrote:
Aubameyang’s tackle is much more likely to injure a player than Son’s kick out but in terms of the rules of the game I think Son’s is a more obvious red because there is very little leeway in kicking out at an opponent off the ball. Aubameyang type tackles are let off red cards far more often that Son’s kick to the chest in my view

Then sorry but I’m afraid I think your views on this particular issue are barmy. Son was rightfully sent off. But perhaps the appeal was based on a claim that Son’s kick had something to do with the way he fell. Laughable in itself, but in my opinion less frivolous than saying Aubameyang shouldn’t have been sent off. I think it’s far more likely that some players might get away with a Son type kick than an Aubameyang type foul.


Quite right Bernard .... Son's was a brush of the abs and Rudhiger made a meal of it .

Aubameyang 's could have been an ankle breaker ...far worse .

Rich has to take that line because it fuels his belief that it doesn't matter which referee ; they all ,

every last one of them .....run on that field with a pre concieved plan to punish Arsenal far more than the opposition .

Author:  gooner7 [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 1:48 am ]
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And Pool marches on .......... looks like we need to do the business ourselves. Let Arteta build the team right up to the pool match, and beat them.

Author:  gooner7 [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 2:05 am ]
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Pépé has had 2 very good shots coming off the bar. Perhaps he is trying too hard to get that spectacular goal, or he is too close to the edge of the penalty area when he took those shots. I believe he will score a lot more goals, if he is allowed to run more into the penalty area when we attack from the left (if he is playing right, and vice-versa). That means whoever is his partner full-back needs to be closer to pick up players in case we lose the ball. And then of course, our defensive midfielders needs to be correctly positioned too. I hope Arteta has a similar observation. I feel Pépé can score a lot more goals if he runs more into the penalty area, and try some simpler shots. His sole open-play goal for us, attests to this.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 5:04 am ]
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I am afraid I am not as positive as many on here about the Arteta reign. That is not to say I don't have hope that things will improve significantly.

I watched the game in full so this is what I thought.

1-25 minutes - great domination but with very little real opening up of chances other than the goal. It was reminiscent of the Wenger era. Lots of possession but no result. As an aside I watched highlights of Chelsea and a couple of other games. They get players to the by-line and actually put in worthwhile crosses and hence chances. It was obvious for the whole game that Arteta did not want both fullbacks bombing forward and wanted Torreira and Xhaka to not venture very far forward.

25-45 minutes - we were starting to relinquish control and being put under pressure. There was a lack of triangles and we weren't looking good. Players went missing or just passed sideways often to people in worse positions. It was getting harder to move forward. Emery team all over. We started cruising and believing we had the game. We never got control of the game back.

Torreira subbed off 45 minutes - 70 minutes - no improvement and for some to suggest Guendouzi was the problem - go and look at the previous 20 minutes. We sunk back to our old ways. Real chances - a few. Pépé appears to be a potential match winner but if you do absolutely nothing for 80 minutes of every game - he is a luxury we cannot afford.

After the sending off - we actually improved at times in getting a few breaks forward but we were under pressure.

I have seen nothing in Leeds or this game to suggest we have dramatically improved. 45 minutes and 25 minutes in this game is all we put in.

Arteta said if players did not put in the effort they would have to go. Well over to you, Mikel, because we slip back very quickly.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:47 am ]
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Klopp has done it again. At Dortmund he beat Bayern despite having nothing close to the resources available. And stayed very competitive. He's done the same in the PL. Were it not for Liverpool (and for a brief period sperz), City would make the EPL look like SPL.

In hindsight we should have gotten him. I recall a few voices years against it. No one can say Liverpool are financially doped. They earned it. Fully. Hats off. It will be interesting to see if they can keep it up. City will always be a threat for obvious reasons. They have the resources to maintain a high degree. Liverpool may be able to...may. For the foreseeable future they will threaten Man Utd's title haul.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 6:50 am ]
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My Arsenal wishlist for the rest of the season is to see the current style of play and belief become permanent. Win the Europa cup. Beat Tottenham, Liverpool and City. Not necessarily in that order. Finish top 6. Bring in defenders in this window. Get rid of Mustafi and other dead weight.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 7:30 am ]
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Result of the weekend Leicester 1 Southampton 2.

They are looking like they really have turned the season around from the humiliation of their home game. well done to their manager who most of us thought would have been sacked after the 0-9

Author:  socrates [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:38 am ]
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I think one of the key problems we have is the midfield balance. Torreira has become pivotal to the way Arteta wants us to play because he is the only one who really reads the game and has the athleticism to get in and make interceptions and tackles.

Xhaka's lack of mobility does not allow him to get around the pitch quickly enough to make timely interceptions and his tackling technique is poor. At times it seems almost very tackle he makes could be deemed a yellow.

Guendouzi has lost his way somewhat in recent months. From being one of the first names of the teamsheet he is now third choice. There is plenty of potential there but, like Pépé, there are also lot of rough edges to be smoothed out if he wants to become a top, top player. After his first year at the club I thought he would go on to become a worldbeater, now I am not too sure. He might still do but not without significant work on the defensive side of his game, notably his defensive awareness and tracking of runners etc.

Torreira and Xhaka works reasonably well, Xhaka and Guendouzi does not.

I would like to see us sign a midfield powerhouse to play alongside Torreira.

Author:  socrates [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:41 am ]
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Lacazette is becoming something of an enigma, there is plenty to admire about his game such as the hold-up play and his work ethic but he's paid to score goals and without that goal threat he becomes something of a luxury if his presence pushes Aubameyang out wide.

Author:  socrates [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:52 am ]
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Greeny wrote:
bubblechris wrote:

I can't believe you've taken part in team sports if that's what you think LTG.

To be fair to LTG it was an awfully long time ago. ;-)

I play in our +50 league now, and the ref influenced the game slightly...

But that's enough. Most games hinge on those little things. If Ayew had been booked after his 3rd foul the mindset in the home and the away team changes, if only slightly, but that's enough.


Morning Greeny,

You could argue that if you have the amount of possession and overall dominance that we had in the first half an hour and don't really create much then you've only got yourselves to blame. We should have been two up at halftime and then poor refereeing decisions and marginal calls become more manageable. I realise that even a four goal lead is not beyond us squandering but the sending off might have been less of a hinderance with a two goal lead.

I think we have a tendency to blame referees and VAR for the fact that we are not a very good team, certainly not one that creates bucketloads of chances or has a ruthlessly high chance conversion rate.

Author:  Rich [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:59 am ]
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kiwipete wrote:
Rich has to take that line because it fuels his belief that it doesn't matter which referee ; they all ,
every last one of them .....run on that field with a pre concieved plan to punish Arsenal far more than the opposition .

Hi kiwi,
Amongst other things there are things that make this forum great.
1. The wealth of football knowledge
2. not all the chat being football (albeit I tend to just stick to football)
3. some in-jokes
4. arsenal fans young to old and from all over the world passionately following and creating well articulated thoughts and arguments about the club and the game.
A few things I don’t care much for. (And these are general and not aimed at anyone in particular)
1. Any personal insults
2. Arguments between individuals that drag on and on so much that the two people probably forgot what the original argument/debate started with (I never get involved with these because I’m not on the forum enough to catch all the replies and have plenty better things to do)
3. And this one I’m afraid is directed to your point above....people taking someone else’s view, distorting that to an absolute extreme in order to argue against that distorted view. It is the straw man argument

I can scroll past most of the stuff that doesn’t interest me and I don’t get involved in spats with others and never directly criticise others on the forum. I’m happy to have a difference of opinion as others, and don’t mind if people think I’m wrong, it’s impossible that we’ll all agree. I just find it frustrating that a decent debate can be shut down by exaggerating someone’s view beyond what they’ve actually said, it makes it relatively pointless continuing the conversation.

Author:  Rich [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:06 am ]
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socrates wrote:
Lacazette is becoming something of an enigma, there is plenty to admire about his game such as the hold-up play and his work ethic but he's paid to score goals and without that goal threat he becomes something of a luxury if his presence pushes Aubameyang out wide.

Agreed, it’s hard to dislike what Lacazette does, but with the lack of end product from midfield we can’t have a non scoring striker.
My problem with him is the amount of times he seems to not hit his shot true, a bit of a technique problem.
I’ve made no secret of my preference for the Martinelli style of striker, like Son, salah etc really mobile, quick, dribbling forwards that can operate across all 3 front positions fluidly and without a drop in performance. Lacazette is much more your old school number 9.

Author:  Rich [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:14 am ]
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socrates wrote:
I would like to see us sign a midfield powerhouse to play alongside Torreira.

Interesting how Leicester struggled without Ndidi yesterday. He’s one of the best in the league in this position.
It’s the position I think we should be targeting even over a CB

Author:  socrates [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:31 am ]
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Rich wrote:
socrates wrote:
Lacazette is becoming something of an enigma, there is plenty to admire about his game such as the hold-up play and his work ethic but he's paid to score goals and without that goal threat he becomes something of a luxury if his presence pushes Aubameyang out wide.

Agreed, it’s hard to dislike what Lacazette does, but with the lack of end product from midfield we can’t have a non scoring striker.
My problem with him is the amount of times he seems to not hit his shot true, a bit of a technique problem.
I’ve made no secret of my preference for the Martinelli style of striker, like Son, salah etc really mobile, quick, dribbling forwards that can operate across all 3 front positions fluidly and without a drop in performance. Lacazette is much more your old school number 9.


Hi Rich,

Martinelli is an interesting one. I much prefer him through the middle where is movement and eye for space in the box is exceptional but I really don't know if he's quite ready, at his age and with his body still developing, to play a central role in the PL. It would be an enormous learning curve for him. Would he get bullied by PL cbs, could he cope with the expectation heaped on his shoulders as a main striker.

You're right a fluid interchanging front three full of pace, skill and mobility looks the way ahead in the modern game.

Author:  socrates [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:33 am ]
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Rich wrote:
socrates wrote:
I would like to see us sign a midfield powerhouse to play alongside Torreira.

Interesting how Leicester struggled without Ndidi yesterday. He’s one of the best in the league in this position.
It’s the position I think we should be targeting even over a CB


Totally agree, although I think either a powerful CM or CB could make a huge difference.

Author:  socrates [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:37 am ]
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Greeny wrote:
Wally of the weekend?

Well, of course it was Walcott
2nd place goes to VAR, for not giving a retrospective penalty


How on earth can a referee watching the Walcott incident on VAR not see that as a penalty? It genuinely beggars belief.

Author:  Bernard [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:38 am ]
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socrates wrote:
Lacazette is becoming something of an enigma, there is plenty to admire about his game such as the hold-up play and his work ethic but he's paid to score goals and without that goal threat he becomes something of a luxury if his presence pushes Aubameyang out wide.

The thing is socrates, do you seriously think there’s much chance of Aubameyang signing a new contract? Because I don’t. The only chance would have been getting in next season’s Champions League. Top four must be gone now, so we surely have to sell him? The only realistic chance of getting in the Champions League is winning this season’s Europa League. That competition has thus become massive for Arsenal for that very reason and, to be brutally honest, is thus our top priority by a very long way.

Also, Aubameyang will be 31 next summer. This will probably be his last chance of getting a mega deal at a big club. To me his recent comment when he said words to the effect of ‘I am currently an Arsenal player and am committed to the team’ was a way of politely saying ‘I am off or on my bike but will try to do well while I am still here’. I’ll be absolutely astonished if this isn’t Aubameyang’s last season at Arsenal, whether we win the Europa League or not. The priority I’m giving to winning it has more to do with making us attractive to new signings and getting the money to buy them, and keeping a few other existing players.

So I reckon his departure next summer could easily be a mutual decision. The club will want to sell a player leaving his prime behind for lots of money, and Aubameyang will want to go for a fresh (and highly paid) challenge at a ‘European giant’. I think Aubameyang was always better than Lacazette who works hard and is a good goal scorer but has recently lost some confidence in front of goal. I must admit I don’t rate his hold up play as highly as you seem to.

I think Lacazette may therefore need to play and get a tap in or two from close range to get his confidence back. That is arguably more likely if he plays centrally. If that means putting Aubameyang out wide while he’s still here, so be it as I don’t see him having any part in Arsenal’s future beyond this season.

Author:  Rich [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:47 am ]
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socrates wrote:
Greeny wrote:
Wally of the weekend?

Well, of course it was Walcott
2nd place goes to VAR, for not giving a retrospective penalty


How on earth can a referee watching the Walcott incident on VAR not see that as a penalty? It genuinely beggars belief.

Saw that on MOTD this morning. Utterly ridiculous and as the pundits said is a huge part of the reason players go over too easily and dive.

Many fans hate the actions of players on the pitch, my view is you stamp all of that out with stronger officiating, whether that be correctly punishing clear dissent or continual short pulling at set pieces or correctly giving free kicks even if a player doesn’t go down

Author:  TAFKAEiN [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:21 am ]
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This wonderful cartoon appeared in The Tatler today in 1938.

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Author:  TAFKAEiN [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:40 am ]
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I've no problem with Aubameyang getting a red for that tackle, but I have got a problem with him going for the tackle in the first place as there was no need for it. The guy was on the touchline heading towards his own goal.

Having said that we've all seen tackles like that against Arsenal players go unpunished so anyone feeling that there isn't a level playing field when it comes to how the refs officiate games has a point. As an example Lacazette was booked for the number of fouls he made but Ayew (according to OPTA) had the most fouls without a booking that they've ever recorded. How does that work?

As for the game I'm happy to see Xhaka and Torreira forming a good partnership in the middle. I thought the second half showed how much we miss Torreira when he's not there as whilst Gwen obviously has potential his positioning is a problem and he tends to lose the ball far too often, and when there should have been no risk. For me his role currently should be as an energy sub late in the game and not a starter. I don't want to seem to be knocking him as he is young and, as I said, has plenty of potential, but he's a long long way from being the finished article and his 'youthful energy' is a liability.

Credit to Maitland-Niles as well, I thought that was his best game at full back for a while.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun Jan 12, 2020 11:50 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
socrates wrote:
Lacazette is becoming something of an enigma, there is plenty to admire about his game such as the hold-up play and his work ethic but he's paid to score goals and without that goal threat he becomes something of a luxury if his presence pushes Aubameyang out wide.

The thing is socrates, do you seriously think there’s much chance of Aubameyang signing a new contract? Because I don’t. The only chance would have been getting in next season’s Champions League. Top four must be gone now, so we surely have to sell him? The only realistic chance of getting in the Champions League is winning this season’s Europa League. That competition has thus become massive for Arsenal for that very reason and, to be brutally honest, is thus our top priority by a very long way.

Also, Aubameyang will be 31 next summer. This will probably be his last chance of getting a mega deal at a big club. To me his recent comment when he said words to the effect of ‘I am currently an Arsenal player and am committed to the team’ was a way of politely saying ‘I am off or on my bike but will try to do well while I am still here’. I’ll be absolutely astonished if this isn’t Aubameyang’s last season at Arsenal, whether we win the Europa League or not. The priority I’m giving to winning it has more to do with making us attractive to new signings and getting the money to buy them, and keeping a few other existing players.

So I reckon his departure next summer could easily be a mutual decision. The club will want to sell a player leaving his prime behind for lots of money, and Aubameyang will want to go for a fresh (and highly paid) challenge at a ‘European giant’. I think Aubameyang was always better than Lacazette who works hard and is a good goal scorer but has recently lost some confidence in front of goal. I must admit I don’t rate his hold up play as highly as you seem to.

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You may be right Bernard but I dont think it’s absolutely certain. If he’s 31 next summer it would probably mean the buying club would need to pay a 50 million plus transfer fee plus a salary in the region of 250k on a 3 to 4 year contract that Aubameyang would ask for. I’m not sure if many clubs wouldn’t question that because of his age.

He’ll probably leave but you might get a scenario similar to Özil where the player realises his value is worth more to arsenal than other clubs who find it financially off putting.

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