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Author:  TOP GUN [ Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:45 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Thinking about the RB situation again - one fairly radical option would be Partey at RB but instructed to be an inverted full-back like Zinchenko. You'd need whoever played left-back to do the role Ben White does - which may suit Tierney better.
So you build with a back 3 of Saliba, Gabriel, Tierney, Partey inverted in to midfield with Jorginho and the rest is the same


The problem is you are changing the teams tactics in 3 areas left back, right back and midfield to accommodate 1 missing player. I think more likely in the event we lose Ben White you will see Zinny at right back. I do think what you said about walters makes sense, give him 20 minutes because moving Partey out of midfield right now must be a last resort

Author:  TOP GUN [ Mon Mar 20, 2023 2:46 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote:
Thing is kiwi it’s not. He’s not always miles off his line and many of the teams we play can’t hit the target inside our penalty area let alone the halfway line. The goal against sporting is an absolute precision hit, Ramsdale is just around the penalty spot at the moment of the strike and he almost gets back to it. Sometimes you just need to put your hands up and say that’s a pretty remarkable goal and I’ll put the bottle of rum away for the night.

but ...but ...TG ... he is ....the flaky Yorkshire yellow lollipop *%^@ is always way out of where he should be ... if I was any opposing team ... I'd say hit and hope
... who could do it Salah Ings Madison Song Harrison Haarland[/quote]
Ings


:14laughter:

McCartney, Lennon, Harrison, Starr …

Author:  Rich [ Mon Mar 20, 2023 3:23 pm ]
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Rashford pulls out of englands 2 games with a knock. So a player who is fit all year just gets a knock before 2 weeks of international games, odds on him being available for Man U’s next game? Such bad luck for Rashford to miss the games for his country….

Author:  Rich [ Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:22 pm ]
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Watching Zaha offer zero defensive contribution in our last game made me realise that I can’t ever see Arteta signing this type of player. An older player who has never worked hard out of possession won’t be taught new tricks, we saw who Arteta wanted out quickly.
Compare Zaha losing the ball and throwing his hands in the air with our lot who sprint back like a pack of dogs. If you’re young you can be taught that level of desire, if you’re older and have that natural desire and discipline in your game then you might stand a chance of playing for Arteta.

Author:  old man of hoy [ Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:05 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
... If you’re young you can be taught that level of desire, if you’re older and have that natural desire and discipline in your game then you might stand a chance of playing for Arteta.
Interestingly, and perhaps surprisingly, it was Willian's great effort in getting back to rectify his error that backfired so disastrously for Fulham. Not suggesting we re-sign him! Wasn't impressed by his claim that the ball hit his chest either.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:10 pm ]
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Man Utd were (are) so dirty back then.


Author:  Decaf [ Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:14 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
One thing I noticed on the highlights was when Ben White had a big tackle on Zaha and then another one on Mitchell, he was so intent on stamping his authority on the second one he just booted the ball hard out for a corner, when it wasn't really necessary. He had a bit of a fist pump celebration with Xhaka and the crowd. That corner was the one that Palace scored from.

In the grand scheme of things not a problem but it is just a tiny thing where the emotion took over, he didn't have to concede the corner.

Obviously I'm nit picking because he had one of his finest games in an Arsenal shirt

Was it unnecessary? I wondered at the time. In any case, Xhaka giving him a hug was a lovely moment. I'm not sure if I have ever seen a team that shows such a strong sense of unity.

Author:  Decaf [ Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:16 pm ]
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old man of hoy wrote:
Rich wrote:
... If you’re young you can be taught that level of desire, if you’re older and have that natural desire and discipline in your game then you might stand a chance of playing for Arteta.
Interestingly, and perhaps surprisingly, it was Willian's great effort in getting back to rectify his error that backfired so disastrously for Fulham. Not suggesting we re-sign him! Wasn't impressed by his claim that the ball hit his chest either.

Not least because his team-mate seemed to believe him and got sent off for his troubles too!

Author:  Rich [ Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:03 pm ]
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Points tally after 28 games

Liverpool 19/20 - 79
ARSENAL 22/23 - 69
Man City 21/22 - 69
Man City 18/19 - 69
Liverpool 18/19 - 68
Liverpool 21/22 - 66
Man City 20/21 - 65
Man City 22/23 - 61
Man City 19/20 - 60
Leicester 15/16 - 57
Liverpool 20/21 - 46
Liverpool 22/23 - 42

*taken from twitter*

This is not like Leicester City's season, rival fans will say that to discredit us

Author:  Rich [ Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:05 pm ]
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Decaf wrote:
Rich wrote:
One thing I noticed on the highlights was when Ben White had a big tackle on Zaha and then another one on Mitchell, he was so intent on stamping his authority on the second one he just booted the ball hard out for a corner, when it wasn't really necessary. He had a bit of a fist pump celebration with Xhaka and the crowd. That corner was the one that Palace scored from.

In the grand scheme of things not a problem but it is just a tiny thing where the emotion took over, he didn't have to concede the corner.

Obviously I'm nit picking because he had one of his finest games in an Arsenal shirt

Was it unnecessary? I wondered at the time. In any case, Xhaka giving him a hug was a lovely moment. I'm not sure if I have ever seen a team that shows such a strong sense of unity.

I just thought when I saw it that he didn't need to boot it for a corner, if he wanted to make a statement by going in hard at a ball he was 95% certain to win he could have booted it for a throw, or not let the emotion take over and just get his body in front and draw the foul. Agreed that it was a good moment in terms of the team fighting for each other, and if Palace don't score from the corner I wouldnt have mentioned it

Author:  warrior [ Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:51 pm ]
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Author:  kiwipete [ Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:03 pm ]
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Geez ...stopped drinking rum at 5.45 am .... I tell ya wisdom takes a fair while to arrive in some peoples lives .

Of no importance to most but John Sattler ; a true Aussie rugby league icon passed away . I met him . had the pleasure of having a beer / yarn with him at my son's local the Runcorn Pub in Brisbane about eighteen years ago ...an absolute gentleman .

Hard as nails

Ben White and Martinelli go down holding their face when someone brushes their sock .

This guy played about 75 minutes of a grand final with a broken jaw

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/south- ... 5ctqb.html

Author:  kiwipete [ Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:39 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
kiwipete wrote:
Thing is kiwi it’s not. He’s not always miles off his line and many of the teams we play can’t hit the target inside our penalty area let alone the halfway line. The goal against sporting is an absolute precision hit, Ramsdale is just around the penalty spot at the moment of the strike and he almost gets back to it. Sometimes you just need to put your hands up and say that’s a pretty remarkable goal and I’ll put the bottle of rum away for the night.

but ...but ...TG ... he is ....the flaky Yorkshire yellow lollipop *%^@ is always way out of where he should be ... if I was any opposing team ... I'd say hit and hope
... who could do it Salah Ings Madison Song Harrison Haarland

Ings


:14laughter:

McCartney, Lennon, Harrison, Starr …[/quote]
:laughing7: :sign19:

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 2:50 am ]
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kiwipete wrote:
.
Geez ...stopped drinking rum at 5.45 am .... I tell ya wisdom takes a fair while to arrive in some peoples lives .

Of no importance to most but John Sattler ; a true Aussie rugby league icon passed away . I met him . had the pleasure of having a beer / yarn with him at my son's local the Runcorn Pub in Brisbane about eighteen years ago ...an absolute gentleman .

Hard as nails

Ben White and Martinelli go down holding their face when someone brushes their sock .

This guy played about 75 minutes of a grand final with a broken jaw

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/nrl/south- ... 5ctqb.html

This is what happens when you get old, you give up early and go to bed. When you were on your game : off to work. Bex or Vincents when you arrive at work, Pie for morning tea, and get a beer down at lunch and bobs your uncle.

Author:  Rich [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:26 am ]
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Fingers crossed for all our players returning healthy from international duty. If Trossard and Ødegaard can leave one on De Bruyne and Haaland respectively in training that would help as well.

It helps that none of our Brazilians have been called up and that for whatever off pitch reason Southgate won’t call up the best English defender in the league this season in Ben White.

I also read that Zinchenko only has games in London for Ukraine so he won’t be fatigued by travel

Author:  TOP GUN [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:55 am ]
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Think you will see a new right back coming in this summer. Just can’t rely on Tommy anymore. He’s made of paper mache. Such a shame as he’s a fine player

Author:  Rich [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:44 am ]
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Haaland has pulled out of Norway’s two games against Spain and Georgia because of a groin injury. What a farce. Players should be assessed by an independent physio/doctor at international call ups. Haaland will be fine for City’s next game no doubt about it. We should pull Ødegaard out right away

Author:  TOP GUN [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 8:59 am ]
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Wot on earth are Palace doing :laughing7:

Author:  TOP GUN [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:00 am ]
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Rich wrote:
Haaland has pulled out of Norway’s two games against Spain and Georgia because of a groin injury. What a farce. Players should be assessed by an independent physio/doctor at international call ups. Haaland will be fine for City’s next game no doubt about it. We should pull Ødegaard out right away

They are qualifiers though so it’s not like Ferguson resting giggs for wales friendlies.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:03 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Wot on earth are Palace doing :laughing7:

I would assume they are trying to avoid relegation. One of those seasons when anyone could go down in the bottom group.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:23 am ]
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I'm seeing many in the media practically handing us the title. The cynic in me thinks they are setting us up for a fall. There is no way I can see that with about 10 games to go and having to play at Liverpool, Newcastle and City and Chelsea at home. If there were 5 or even 6 games left, okay, I'd feel more relaxed but not this many games left.

We beat a Palace club that is having problems and just lost a manager. It was a great win. But unexpected? No. The level of the win? Expected. Had we beaten the Toon or Chelsea similarly then I'd see it as a statement win. It's Palace in a bad place....at home.

I know some clubs don't like us but I gotta think for the fans of the lower conferences and the lower half of the EPL that aren't our rivals they gotta be rooting for us. City have been having their way in the league. So, I have to assume neutrals of all stripes are cheering for us if they think about it. It's a great story.

Author:  Decaf [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 9:51 am ]
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Rich wrote:
Fingers crossed for all our players returning healthy from international duty. If Trossard and Ødegaard can leave one on De Bruyne and Haaland respectively in training that would help as well.


Beware of what you wish for? Perhaps Ødegaard struck too early?

Rich wrote:
Haaland has pulled out of Norway’s two games against Spain and Georgia because of a groin injury. What a farce. Players should be assessed by an independent physio/doctor at international call ups. Haaland will be fine for City’s next game no doubt about it. We should pull Ødegaard out right away

Author:  Gunfire [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:10 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Rich wrote:
Haaland has pulled out of Norway’s two games against Spain and Georgia because of a groin injury. What a farce. Players should be assessed by an independent physio/doctor at international call ups. Haaland will be fine for City’s next game no doubt about it. We should pull Ødegaard out right away

They are qualifiers though so it’s not like Ferguson resting giggs for wales friendlies.


Keane missed Ireland's qualifier with Iran before turning up hale and hearty for Manure.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:26 pm ]
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I've never drank the kool aid regarding what makes us special.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/r5oaFNNkE2g

Author:  TOP GUN [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 12:48 pm ]
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Gunfire wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
They are qualifiers though so it’s not like Ferguson resting giggs for wales friendlies.


Keane missed Ireland's qualifier with Iran before turning up hale and hearty for Manure.


But missing a qualifier against Spain of all teams when it’s far from certain you will finish 2nd in your group. Would be seriously shady

Author:  Zed [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 1:20 pm ]
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So Hodgson is back at Palace. Up next, Poch returns to Spurs.

Author:  Rich [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:05 pm ]
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Zed wrote:
So Hodgson is back at Palace. Up next, Poch returns to Spurs.

…or Harry Redknapp, with Defoe, Crouch and Kranjar in tow to get the band back together

Author:  Rich [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:08 pm ]
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https://twitter.com/reidthegame/status/ ... -j6VVZXEoA

This take from Gary Neville towards the end of last season is worth posting again. He had and still has such a blind spot for us.

“If Arteta gets Arsenal 4th that’s as far as he can take them” it’s a ludicrous statement to make for any team and manager at any time, let alone one where everyone could see the way the recruitment and plan was playing out that the team was only going to get better - of course not many saw a real title shot this season - but it wasn’t hard to predict we’d be right up challenging for top 4.

https://twitter.com/gunnersc0m/status/1 ... -j6VVZXEoA
Another one of his takes on Arsenal and spurs

Author:  Rich [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:11 pm ]
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We have more touches in the box than any team in the league but only rank 12th in the most penalties given this season

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:21 pm ]
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I can understand one of the things that gets him upset.

https://www.facebook.com/reel/583931886692439?fs=e&s=m

Author:  Decaf [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:28 pm ]
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The full horror of the interlull is setting in. Arsenal are utterly addictive this season and going cold turkey after the recent feast is a bit much.

Author:  Decaf [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:29 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Zed wrote:
So Hodgson is back at Palace. Up next, Poch returns to Spurs.

…or Harry Redknapp, with Defoe, Crouch and Kranjar in tow to get the band back together

Gordon Brown for PM?

Author:  Rich [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 6:33 pm ]
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In their 10 league games leading up to our game with them at the weekend Palace had only conceded 2 goals once. They conceded 1 in 7 of those games and kept a clean sheet in 2 more. So whilst they were on a bad winless run they were still hard to score goals against. We scored 4 with relative ease.

We’re struggling for clean sheets at home but must be averaging over 3 goals a game at home

Author:  TOP GUN [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 7:31 pm ]
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Yellow away kit next year. Variation of the bruised banana. Bound to sell bucket loads

Author:  Zed [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:31 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Zed wrote:
So Hodgson is back at Palace. Up next, Poch returns to Spurs.

…or Harry Redknapp, with Defoe, Crouch and Kranjar in tow to get the band back together

Or maybe Rafa.

Author:  Zed [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 10:33 pm ]
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Arsenal 2023-24 away kits....hmmm

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Author:  Rich [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:05 pm ]
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Apparently Conte was annoyed with Levy because he vetoed 2 of Conte’s transfers for the summer. Those transfers were Lukaku (30) and De Vrij (31) both would be on extraordinarily high wages and would offer spurs zero resale value. And Lukaku has most recently failed at Chelsea.

Apparently Levy prefers younger players who can be bought cheaper and be coached to improve!

I’m with Levy on the correct approach for Spurs but then if that is the approach you want to take why on earth would you hire Conte who is maybe second only to Mourinho (who he also hired) in wanting ready made experienced players and doesn’t care of the cost or any long term project and really couldn’t give a damn the state of the club is left in when they leave after 2-3 years!

Bonkers

Author:  Rich [ Tue Mar 21, 2023 11:19 pm ]
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Zed wrote:
Arsenal 2023-24 away kits....hmmm

https://amp.footyheadlines.com/6674275136961072586/

These guys take a guess at the kit based on the info released.
Home kit is ‘better scarlet’ (red)…white and a metallic gold
Away kit is a florescent yellow with black details

I’m sure I also saw a 3rd kit mock up which was a dark blue but the 3 stripes on the adidas sleeves were red/white/blue so similar to the training kit just bought out which had the French colours on the stripes

Adidas haven’t really given us a bad kit so far. The black one this year sold out in record numbers

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Wed Mar 22, 2023 2:14 am ]
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Rich wrote:
Apparently Conte was annoyed with Levy because he vetoed 2 of Conte’s transfers for the summer. Those transfers were Lukaku (30) and De Vrij (31) both would be on extraordinarily high wages and would offer spurs zero resale value. And Lukaku has most recently failed at Chelsea.

Apparently Levy prefers younger players who can be bought cheaper and be coached to improve!

I’m with Levy on the correct approach for Spurs but then if that is the approach you want to take why on earth would you hire Conte who is maybe second only to Mourinho (who he also hired) in wanting ready made experienced players and doesn’t care of the cost or any long term project and really couldn’t give a damn the state of the club is left in when they leave after 2-3 years!

Bonkers

They are in the position where there are older players bossing the dressing room, no respect for a new manager unless he is a 'name'(hence Conti) but then when their yearly challenges are over (EPL,FA Cup) they just go thru the motions. Sound familiar to you.

But then we got lucky with young players who were top class coming thru. I hope they don't get lucky in their rebuild: well that's if they got the balls for a rebuild. Another twenty years of failure ahead.

Author:  Decaf [ Wed Mar 22, 2023 5:42 am ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
Rich wrote:
Apparently Conte was annoyed with Levy because he vetoed 2 of Conte’s transfers for the summer. Those transfers were Lukaku (30) and De Vrij (31) both would be on extraordinarily high wages and would offer spurs zero resale value. And Lukaku has most recently failed at Chelsea.

Apparently Levy prefers younger players who can be bought cheaper and be coached to improve!

I’m with Levy on the correct approach for Spurs but then if that is the approach you want to take why on earth would you hire Conte who is maybe second only to Mourinho (who he also hired) in wanting ready made experienced players and doesn’t care of the cost or any long term project and really couldn’t give a damn the state of the club is left in when they leave after 2-3 years!

Bonkers

They are in the position where there are older players bossing the dressing room, no respect for a new manager unless he is a 'name'(hence Conti) but then when their yearly challenges are over (EPL,FA Cup) they just go thru the motions. Sound familiar to you.

But then we got lucky with young players who were top class coming thru. I hope they don't get lucky in their rebuild: well that's if they got the balls for a rebuild. Another twenty years of failure ahead.

Luck?

I note the Kroenke out brigade is now silent.

Not having a go at you, by the way. But I do think you need to acknowledge good management. It was not 'luck' that gave Arteta so much rope. And it was not 'luck' that we targetted a particular profile of players, even to the extent of not filling squad holes when we couldn't get the right player.

Funny how people can be utterly wrong about something and yet this doesn't affect their confidence and certainty, or their practice of forming strong opinions based on very little evidence.

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