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gooner7 wrote:

I would like to see Nelson instead. I think he will bring more to the game. Pépé falls over too easily. He is too lightweight and defenders know that. A slight nudge when he is on the move, and down he goes.

Sorry mate but Nelson isnt there yet, Pépé frustrates but has the quality to win matches and provide match winning moments. Look at his finish againest Dundalk, zero back lift and bang top corner. City in the semi, lovely cross floated over for Aubameyang bang. We have seen little of that from Nelson yet. Like Leno and holding I think people are over infatuated with pepes weaker moments and and fail to see the good things he does.

AmericanGooner wrote:

A Man Utd supporting person I know said it was a combination of them not playing well (he was particularly harsh on Pogba) and us playing better than our last match. He thought the penalty was very soft. I remind EVERY Man Utd fan about Rooney's dive to end the streak so any comment on soft penalties regarding us is non starter.

He thought a draw would have been a fairer result because a few inches more and the ball that ricocheted off Leno would have went as well as hitting the woodwork.

Maybe sour grapes but he has some points.

And if Willian’s shot had been fractionally lower. And if....... etc etc

At the end of the day Arsenal were comfortably better than Manchester United and fully deserved the win. Okay, I can understand their fans trying to claim something different but that’s a view coming from their own bias rather than realism.

Rich wrote:

Partey, 31 of 55 passes were forward passes yesterday. Keane summed him up well that he isn’t just a good defensive mid, or a good 6 or good 8, he’s simply an all round good central midfielder who does it all

Partey and Gabriel are exactly the kind of recruitment we need. They make our first team better.

...I remind EVERY Man Utd fan about Rooney's dive to end the streak so any comment on soft penalties regarding us is non starter...

TOP GUN wrote:

I agree Top Gun. Nelson, at this point in time, is no more than a useful squad back up, like Willock who I’ve also seen mentioned. Pépé presently has much more to offer.

AmericanGooner wrote:

...I remind EVERY Man Utd fan about Rooney's dive to end the streak so any comment on soft penalties regarding us is non starter...

Yes, when it comes to injustices in Arsenal-Man U games, that penalty should always be the yardstick. The stink of it lingers all these years on.

Rich wrote:

Partey and Gabriel are exactly the kind of recruitment we need. They make our first team better.

old man of hoy wrote:

Yes, when it comes to injustices in Arsenal-Man U games, that penalty should always be the yardstick. The stink of it lingers all these years on.

It remains for me the single biggest disgraceful refereeing performance I've ever seen which hasn't been proven to be corrupt

I'd also consider giving Willock some PL minutes.

socrates wrote:

I'd go with the Elneny/Partey partnership and see where it takes us. It's more dynamic and more fluid.

I'd also consider giving Willock some PL minutes.

Yes, Willock and AMN must be given more game time.

The current good form of Elneny makes you realise that the career of a professional footballer can be a fragile thing. There he was, largely forgotten by the fans, and when remembered, usually on our disposals list. It is always warming to see an underdog have his day. He is clearly a man of character so best of luck to him. Well done to Arteta for perceptive management.

It remains for me the single biggest disgraceful refereeing performance I've ever seen which hasn't been proven to be corrupt

Maybe corrupt is not the word, but Riley had been got at somehow by Ferguson. No doubt in my mind about that.

old man of hoy wrote:

Well said

TOP GUN wrote:

Be interested to see Artetas starting line up in our next league game.

Only downside for me was Willian who doesn’t seem to be able to affect a game. Pépé looks a far better option for me and more likely to provide an incisive moment.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence the first game where we won the midfield battle and dominated that part of the field was when there was no Xhaka in the side.

I think you're being a little hard on Willian who I thought played well today. Maybe not as explosive as Pépé but an intelligent team player. Unlucky not to put us ahead as well.

This is going to sound crazy and I'm prepared to be criticised for it, but I'd take Pogba if he was willing to come and accept Arsenal level wages.

This is going to sound crazy and I'm prepared to be criticised for it, but I'd take Pogba if he was willing to come and accept Arsenal level wages.

I think there is a good player in there. Mourinho broke his spirit. OGS hasn't gotten the best out of him. I think Arteta could get more out of him that Man Utd has.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/54774068

AmericanGooner wrote:

This is going to sound crazy and I'm prepared to be criticised for it, but I'd take Pogba if he was willing to come and accept Arsenal level wages.

It doesn't sound crazy, it is crazy. Everything Pogba is goes against everything Arteta is and is putting in place.
Talent alone is not enough

https://twitter.com/i/status/1323022003109023750

Absolutely brilliant

I didn't think losing to Leicester City was as bad as it seems or this win means we have turned a corner. It's all part of the process. We are going to have bumps on the road to being a consistently good team again.

Did anyone see Roy Keane make a complete tit of himself on sky sports again yesterday ? Claiming the players didn’t respect Arteta because they called him by his first name. Utter 1980s jumbo gumbo garbage, I honestly have no idea why they have that guy on he embarrasses himself every week.

No progressive pundits on Sky May as well get saints and greavsie on

TOP GUN wrote:

Respect for manager? Hilarious coming from him.

“You’re a *%^@*** wanker. I didn’t rate you as a player, I don’t rate you as a manager and I don’t rate you as a person. You’re a *%^@*** wanker and you can stick your World Cup up your arse. I’ve got no respect for you. The only reason I have any dealings with you is that somehow you are the manager of my country! You can stick it up your bollocks.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer ... -1.3480613

Got to give credit to Leicester and Rodgers, they’ve got a lot of injuries particularly in defence and lose a key player every season but they are still a very good side. 2-0 up away to Leeds already

long time gooner wrote:

Absolutely ! Him of all people, it was totally ridiculous, Tim Cahill too embarrassed to speak. Blokes a fruitcake not in a hard way just makes a *%^@ of himself

Author:	Rich [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:57 am ]
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Partey, 31 of 55 passes were forward passes yesterday. Keane summed him up well that he isn’t just a good defensive mid, or a good 6 or good 8, he’s simply an all round good central midfielder who does it all

Author:	Bernard [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:29 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote: gooner7 wrote: I would like to see Nelson instead. I think he will bring more to the game. Pépé falls over too easily. He is too lightweight and defenders know that. A slight nudge when he is on the move, and down he goes. Sorry mate but Nelson isnt there yet, Pépé frustrates but has the quality to win matches and provide match winning moments. Look at his finish againest Dundalk, zero back lift and bang top corner. City in the semi, lovely cross floated over for Aubameyang bang. We have seen little of that from Nelson yet. Like Leno and holding I think people are over infatuated with pepes weaker moments and and fail to see the good things he does. I agree Top Gun. Nelson, at this point in time, is no more than a useful squad back up, like Willock who I’ve also seen mentioned. Pépé presently has much more to offer.

Author:	Bernard [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:36 am ]
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long time gooner wrote: AmericanGooner wrote: A Man Utd supporting person I know said it was a combination of them not playing well (he was particularly harsh on Pogba) and us playing better than our last match. He thought the penalty was very soft. I remind EVERY Man Utd fan about Rooney's dive to end the streak so any comment on soft penalties regarding us is non starter. He thought a draw would have been a fairer result because a few inches more and the ball that ricocheted off Leno would have went as well as hitting the woodwork. Maybe sour grapes but he has some points. And if Willian’s shot had been fractionally lower. And if....... etc etc At the end of the day Arsenal were comfortably better than Manchester United and fully deserved the win. Okay, I can understand their fans trying to claim something different but that’s a view coming from their own bias rather than realism.

Author:	Rich [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:36 am ]
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I can see this peculiar prem season getting some order restored soon enough. With the games crammed in injuries and fatigue will mount up meaning those with the deepest squads will cope better. Look at Everton, they were flying with a fully fit squad, then Richarlison and Digne suspended and Coleman and Rodrigues injured and they've lost 2 on the bounce. Wolves and Leicester have seriously good starting 11's but not much in reserve. Southampton might have lost Ings for a while if his knee injury is serious. It will still be a very competitive league but I don't expect anyone other than the big 6 to be filling the top 4 spots at the end of the season.

Author:	Rich [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:48 am ]
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Bernard wrote: At the end of the day Arsenal were comfortably better than Manchester United and fully deserved the win. Okay, I can understand their fans trying to claim something different but that’s a view coming from their own bias rather than realism. Quite. It is grasping at straws. Other than the deflected cross off the post, a long range pea roller from Matic and a header from Maguire I can't recall us ever looking in any danger of conceding. Arsenal dominated the ball, made all the attacking moves had 2 good chances just nicked off the strikers toes by last ditch defending, Aubameyang just wide, Willian hit the bar, Saka free header...and the most important stat of all, we scored 1 and let in none. Every report I've seen of the match makes it very clear it was a well deserved win.

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Author:	Rich [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:52 am ]
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The lack of goals is a concern, but it can be put to one side for a 1-0 win away at Man U. That win had been a long time coming, and an away win at a big 6 side gets rid of that stat that is always churned out - I thought the stat always needed a bit of a caveat in that we'd beaten the big teams on plenty of occasions in cup finals, cup semi finals etc - we beat them when we were winning a trophy due to beating them. Of course I'd have loved a few more away wins in the league but I'll happily take beating them in cup finals.

Author:	Rich [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:53 am ]
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Molde at home next, I'm expecting quite a changed side considering the mental and physical effort that went in to the game yesterday. Must be starts for Nelson, Willock, Nketiah, Pépé, Cédric, Xhaka, Ceballos, Runnasson, Mustafi

Author:	long time gooner [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:46 am ]
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Goonie wrote: Rich wrote: Partey, 31 of 55 passes were forward passes yesterday. Keane summed him up well that he isn’t just a good defensive mid, or a good 6 or good 8, he’s simply an all round good central midfielder who does it all Partey and Gabriel are exactly the kind of recruitment we need. They make our first team better. It’s weird really. Gabriel has turned out to be what I had hoped that Saliba would be.

Author:	david.d [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:11 am ]
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So made up with that performance and win yesterday. We were so much more fluid and offensive and seemed sharper. Its days like this that show that Arteta is having a significant influence on us and its good to see proof of it on days like this. I was a bit worried about our new found solidity having a detrimental effect on our offensive game but yesterday the balance was just right. Elneny and Partey were superb as was Gabriel. What a signing he is turning out to be. Physical aggressive and always in the back of a defender to intercept the ball. Money well spent. Was worried Aubameyang might miss the penalty but he stuck it away calmly. First win there since 2006 but as Rich pointed out it has conveniently been forgotton that we have been beating big teams in the cups.... Weird how Everton and Villa after flying starts have now lost 2 in a row. Really bunched up up there

Author:	old man of hoy [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:16 am ]
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AmericanGooner wrote: ...I remind EVERY Man Utd fan about Rooney's dive to end the streak so any comment on soft penalties regarding us is non starter... Yes, when it comes to injustices in Arsenal-Man U games, that penalty should always be the yardstick. The stink of it lingers all these years on.

Author:	Rich [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:31 am ]
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Arsenal have the best defence in the league. Liverpool are top with the most goals conceded - first time that has happened at any point of the season since 1992

Author:	Decaf [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:36 am ]
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Bernard wrote: TOP GUN wrote: Sorry mate but Nelson isnt there yet, Pépé frustrates but has the quality to win matches and provide match winning moments. Look at his finish againest Dundalk, zero back lift and bang top corner. City in the semi, lovely cross floated over for Aubameyang bang. We have seen little of that from Nelson yet. Like Leno and holding I think people are over infatuated with pepes weaker moments and and fail to see the good things he does. I agree Top Gun. Nelson, at this point in time, is no more than a useful squad back up, like Willock who I’ve also seen mentioned. Pépé presently has much more to offer. Nelson will hopefully get opportunities as a sub and in the domestic cups. But Pépé definitely has more to offer at present. He's just bubbling under at the moment. Top Gun. You are right. That finish against Dundalk was a thing of beauty.

Author:	Rich [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:37 am ]
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old man of hoy wrote: AmericanGooner wrote: ...I remind EVERY Man Utd fan about Rooney's dive to end the streak so any comment on soft penalties regarding us is non starter... Yes, when it comes to injustices in Arsenal-Man U games, that penalty should always be the yardstick. The stink of it lingers all these years on. The penalty wasn't even the worst decision in that game. Ferdinand should have been sent off, Van Nistlerooy rakes Cole's knee right in front of the linesman and should have been sent off (got a retrospective 3 game ban) and Neville. P and G made so many yellow card fouls, along with Rooney and Scholes they were simply given total license to kick any Arsenal player that day. No surprise the ref was the spineless Mike Riley who now runs the referee organisation in this country. I'm not a fan of Mike Dean but give me him any day of the week over the likes of Riley. Dean revels in being the showman, the ref that isn't phased by making a big decision under lots of pressure - that in itself brings its own annoyances as a fan but at least he seems equally bad/good for every team as I think he genuinely sets out to prove he won't be phased by reputation or intimidation. Rather than that gutless refs like Riley. It remains for me the single biggest disgraceful refereeing performance I've ever seen which hasn't been proven to be corrupt

Author:	Rich [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:42 am ]
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Goonie wrote: Rich wrote: Partey, 31 of 55 passes were forward passes yesterday. Keane summed him up well that he isn’t just a good defensive mid, or a good 6 or good 8, he’s simply an all round good central midfielder who does it all Partey and Gabriel are exactly the kind of recruitment we need. They make our first team better. Yep, and totally suited to the league. I know I'm not the only one who has been crying out for pace and power to come back in to the side, Soc has definitely been beating that drum as well. I don't necessarily think Gabriel and Partey are speed merchants but they are as quick as they need to be in this league, and half the battle with pace is the reaction and the mobility and acceleration to get there not about how fast you can run 50 yards at top pace. The strength and physicality both displayed yesterday was superb, tight to strikers, winning second balls, making tackles. Both already look like bargains - particularly Gabriel who was more of an unknown quantity.

Author:	john1 [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:53 am ]
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Rich wrote: old man of hoy wrote: Yes, when it comes to injustices in Arsenal-Man U games, that penalty should always be the yardstick. The stink of it lingers all these years on. It remains for me the single biggest disgraceful refereeing performance I've ever seen which hasn't been proven to be corrupt Yet. And I say that simply because of the sheer number and obviousness of the fouls; he can’t hide behind not seeing all the fouls, no way. Maybe corrupt is not the word, but Riley had been got at somehow by Ferguson. No doubt in my mind about that.

Author:	HoddGooner [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:57 am ]
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socrates wrote: I'd also consider giving Willock some PL minutes. Gets my vote

Author:	HoddGooner [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:59 am ]
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gooner7 wrote: socrates wrote: I'd go with the Elneny/Partey partnership and see where it takes us. It's more dynamic and more fluid. I'd also consider giving Willock some PL minutes. Yes, Willock and AMN must be given more game time. And this...….

Author:	john1 [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:02 am ]
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old man of hoy wrote: The current good form of Elneny makes you realise that the career of a professional footballer can be a fragile thing. There he was, largely forgotten by the fans, and when remembered, usually on our disposals list. It is always warming to see an underdog have his day. He is clearly a man of character so best of luck to him. Well done to Arteta for perceptive management. Well said

Author:	old man of hoy [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:05 am ]
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Rich wrote: It remains for me the single biggest disgraceful refereeing performance I've ever seen which hasn't been proven to be corrupt I don't usually go on about refs because their job is the hardest one in football, and back then it was even harder for them - no VAR to assist. However, as you say, the officiating in that match was so one-sided it leaves the stench of corruption. Anyone will accept the ref being up against it at Old Trafford, what with the crowd, Ferguson and huge media bias in favour of United, but that day was plain wrong. Inevitablty The Invincibles would have to lose, and United were always a team likely to do it, but Riley was their key asset.

Author:	Bernard [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:16 am ]
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john1 wrote: Maybe corrupt is not the word, but Riley had been got at somehow by Ferguson. No doubt in my mind about that. I suspect you’re right john1. To me, ‘corruption’ often implies some kind of backhander. Routinely financial, of course, but there are plenty of things other than money that can given. More than Manchester United paying funds into Riley’s bank account, giving him a new car, a free holiday or whatever, myself I wonder if it might have been linked to Riley being unduly influenced by Ferguson. I’m not even suggesting that Ferguson directly contacted Riley to tell him to favour Manchester United during the game. I reckon it might have been down to Riley feeling intimidated by Ferguson. Even a bit frightened by him, making him eager to avoid giving decisions that Ferguson wouldn’t approve of. Basically, Riley wanting to keep in Ferguson’s good books.

Author:	Decaf [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:26 pm ]
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john1 wrote: old man of hoy wrote: The current good form of Elneny makes you realise that the career of a professional footballer can be a fragile thing. There he was, largely forgotten by the fans, and when remembered, usually on our disposals list. It is always warming to see an underdog have his day. He is clearly a man of character so best of luck to him. Well done to Arteta for perceptive management. Well said

Author:	grantyboy [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:53 pm ]
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bromley gooner wrote: TOP GUN wrote: Be interested to see Artetas starting line up in our next league game. Only downside for me was Willian who doesn’t seem to be able to affect a game. Pépé looks a far better option for me and more likely to provide an incisive moment. I don’t think it’s a coincidence the first game where we won the midfield battle and dominated that part of the field was when there was no Xhaka in the side. I think you're being a little hard on Willian who I thought played well today. Maybe not as explosive as Pépé but an intelligent team player. Unlucky not to put us ahead as well. I'd love to have seen the legend that is Pépé in his day.

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:14 pm ]
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Are we still supposed to finish 11th or worse?

Author:	Rich [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:18 pm ]
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Elneny is a great example of why Arteta stands above Solskjaer and Lampard (as similar 'new' Prem managers). Arteta has not only improved individual players who were seemingly surplus to requirements he's built a clear system and has taken a group of players who were deemed 'uncoachable' by many in the media (and fans - include myself in that) and made them in to an organised group off the ball. Oh, and he's also won 2 trophies. Lampard and Ole deserve credit for the sporadic performances they have got but compare the resources each has had and the starting point or squad each inherited and Arteta has simply out coached both

Author:	david.d [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:30 pm ]
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1323022003109023750 Absolutely brilliant

Author:	Rich [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 2:03 pm ]
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AmericanGooner wrote: This is going to sound crazy and I'm prepared to be criticised for it, but I'd take Pogba if he was willing to come and accept Arsenal level wages. It doesn't sound crazy, it is crazy. Everything Pogba is goes against everything Arteta is and is putting in place. Talent alone is not enough

Author:	TOP GUN [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:16 pm ]
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AmericanGooner wrote: This is going to sound crazy and I'm prepared to be criticised for it, but I'd take Pogba if he was willing to come and accept Arsenal level wages. I think there is a good player in there. Mourinho broke his spirit. OGS hasn't gotten the best out of him. I think Arteta could get more out of him that Man Utd has. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/54774068 Pogba is a lighter version of Özil. Your mad.

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 3:30 pm ]
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Rich wrote: AmericanGooner wrote: This is going to sound crazy and I'm prepared to be criticised for it, but I'd take Pogba if he was willing to come and accept Arsenal level wages. It doesn't sound crazy, it is crazy. Everything Pogba is goes against everything Arteta is and is putting in place. Talent alone is not enough Totally understand how it sounds. I think otherwise though.

Author:	Decaf [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:32 pm ]
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david.d wrote: https://twitter.com/i/status/1323022003109023750 Absolutely brilliant That's as good to watch as a 30 yard screamer or a brilliant bit of passing.

Author:	Decaf [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:45 pm ]
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AmericanGooner wrote: I didn't think losing to Leicester City was as bad as it seems or this win means we have turned a corner. It's all part of the process. We are going to have bumps on the road to being a consistently good team again. It is early days of course Gabriel/Party/El nene might turn out to be a flash in the pan ... gelatinous rather than Teleostomi yes yes yes. But it just feels right somehow. I think we may well look back to the Leicester game as a Eureka moment for Areteta's thinking about our midfield, as someone has pointed out.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:05 pm ]
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Did anyone see Roy Keane make a complete tit of himself on sky sports again yesterday ? Claiming the players didn’t respect Arteta because they called him by his first name. Utter 1980s jumbo gumbo garbage, I honestly have no idea why they have that guy on he embarrasses himself every week. No progressive pundits on Sky May as well get saints and greavsie on

Author:	TOP GUN [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:03 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote: TOP GUN wrote: Did anyone see Roy Keane make a complete tit of himself on sky sports again yesterday ? Claiming the players didn’t respect Arteta because they called him by his first name. Utter 1980s jumbo gumbo garbage, I honestly have no idea why they have that guy on he embarrasses himself every week. No progressive pundits on Sky May as well get saints and greavsie on Respect for manager? Hilarious coming from him. “You’re a %^@** wanker. I didn’t rate you as a player, I don’t rate you as a manager and I don’t rate you as a person. You’re a %^@** wanker and you can stick your World Cup up your arse. I’ve got no respect for you. The only reason I have any dealings with you is that somehow you are the manager of my country! You can stick it up your bollocks.” https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soccer ... -1.3480613 Absolutely ! Him of all people, it was totally ridiculous, Tim Cahill too embarrassed to speak. Blokes a fruitcake not in a hard way just makes a *%^@ of himself

Author:	Rich [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:34 pm ]
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Got to give credit to Leicester and Rodgers, they’ve got a lot of injuries particularly in defence and lose a key player every season but they are still a very good side. 2-0 up away to Leeds already

Author:	Bernard [ Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:01 pm ]
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Rich wrote: Got to give credit to Leicester and Rodgers, they’ve got a lot of injuries particularly in defence and lose a key player every season but they are still a very good side. 2-0 up away to Leeds already I’m more pleased about Fulham beating West Brom. Have relatives who support them and they’ve always been my second favourite London club. EDIT: Leeds have pulled a goal back early in the second half. Hope you didn’t praise Leicester too early.