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Author:  TOP GUN [ Wed May 22, 2019 8:30 pm ]
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Like both but the away kit especially because it’s our yelllllllows heritage


Seems similar to our yellow kit around 85-87 ish if I recall. It’s perfect

More is less

Author:  TOP GUN [ Wed May 22, 2019 8:32 pm ]
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Adidas will play their bruised banana card fully at some point though

Author:  Zed [ Wed May 22, 2019 9:45 pm ]
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warrior wrote:
Rich wrote:
Pictures of Aubameyang and Lacazette in next years kit doing the rounds on Twitter. If they are the final version then I think people will like them. The home kit in particular looks like a retro 1987/88 season kit. The away kit looks a bit more like the shade of yellow/gold we wore in 2002 when we won the title at OT.....but with a hint of the bruised banana kit about it.
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Third kit is to be blue. May or may not be this one.

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Author:  Terry Henry [ Wed May 22, 2019 10:37 pm ]
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Zed wrote:
warrior wrote:
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Third kit is to be blue. May or may not be this one.

That is utterly disgusting :8angers:

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Thu May 23, 2019 2:41 am ]
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Not sure Čech understands how decisive his moving back to Chelsea has become. After the Mkh mess another distraction is not what we needed. Emery has been put in a difficult place by this.

Author:  long time gooner [ Thu May 23, 2019 5:55 am ]
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long time gooner wrote:
Rich wrote:
Europa final is in a 68,700 seater stadium, actual official fans of both clubs looks like it will be less than 10,000 due to the cost of getting there. What will the atmosphere be like? Two small pockets of noisy away style fans in amongst 60,000 sponsors, competition winners and corporate types. Bizarre

I find myself wondering how all the sponsors and corporate types are going to get there given the arduous travel options as described.

And it’s coming to pass.

The Times today is reporting that Sponsors have been unable to give the tickets away due to the same travel/visa/timing problems that affect supporters. A significant proportion have been returned. Looks like there will be thousands of empty seats.

That’s the inevitable outcome of a game that now treats its ‘customers’ like third class citizens. All about TV rights and stuff the person at the turnstile.

Author:  Bernard [ Thu May 23, 2019 6:01 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Like both but the away kit especially because it’s our yelllllllows heritage

I simply don't like yellow as a colour so in my view that away shirt, like all yellow shirts, is ghastly. When people go on about yellow shirts being Arsenal's heritage, our record in cup finals wearing yellow is dreadful. I researched our record in cup finals for an article I did in The Gooner a while back and we've lost many more than we've won in yellow. That's part of the club's heritage I can do without.

The blue third kit looks okay in my opinion. Not my favourite shade of blue, but at least it isn't yellow.

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 23, 2019 6:07 am ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
Not sure Čech understands how decisive his moving back to Chelsea has become. After the Mkh mess another distraction is not what we needed. Emery has been put in a difficult place by this.

Not sure what side of the fence I come down on here.
Čech moving back to Chelsea is a unwanted distraction but I wouldn’t be calling in to question his professionalism and commitment to Arsenal for the final.
The bigger question is playing your 2nd choice Gk in the biggest game the club has had since the champions league final in 2006.
Leno is the better gk, so gives us more chance of winning. That is clear.

But in order to have a No.2 as good as Čech, Emery might well have had to make certain promises to the players that he would start all the Cup games. How might the squad feel if those assurances were taken away at the last game?

I’m sure some will say sentiment has no part to play in a game of this magnitude but that may dismiss the long term effect on team morale and respect.

I’m praying Čech doesn’t make a blunder in the game.

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 23, 2019 6:09 am ]
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Welbeck scored a hat-trick in a squad 11 a side 90 minute game, might he be fit enough for the bench in Baku? Surely with 12 spots in the bench, Welbeck would be fit enough for 10-15 minutes. He would be a handy player to have because the likely squad will only have Iwobi as any kind of senior attacking sub.

Author:  long time gooner [ Thu May 23, 2019 6:18 am ]
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Rich wrote:
I’m praying Čech doesn’t make a blunder in the game.

Also, let’s hope that it doesn’t go to a penalty shoot out.

Author:  Bernard [ Thu May 23, 2019 6:28 am ]
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long time gooner wrote:
Rich wrote:
I’m praying Čech doesn’t make a blunder in the game.

Also, let’s hope that it doesn’t go to a penalty shoot out.

Has Leno ever saved a penalty for us? I can't remember one, and he's faced a few. To be honest I think Čech and Leno make the same basic error when facing penalties. They both dive too early, making it easy for the penalty taker to adjust and put it the other side to the one they've dived to.

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 23, 2019 7:36 am ]
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Dortmund have once again moved quickly to replace an outgoing player, Pulisic sold for £58m, with two exciting players at decent value, Brandt and Thorgan Hazard. Both signed for less than the fee received for Pulisic.

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 23, 2019 7:39 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
Also, let’s hope that it doesn’t go to a penalty shoot out.

Has Leno ever saved a penalty for us? I can't remember one, and he's faced a few. To be honest I think Čech and Leno make the same basic error when facing penalties. They both dive too early, making it easy for the penalty taker to adjust and put it the other side to the one they've dived to.

Shoot outs are quite different to facing pens in a match. In a match you face an experienced No.1 penalty taker. In a shootout you face guys who rarely take them and they are taking them in a higher pressure situation. From watching shoot outs there are two things that often happen with these penalty takers, they shoot hard and down the middle, or they sidefoot to the same side as their preferred foot to give more control on the shot. When weaker pen takers step up I think it’s worth waiting a bit longer.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu May 23, 2019 7:41 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
Like both but the away kit especially because it’s our yelllllllows heritage

I simply don't like yellow as a colour so in my view that away shirt, like all yellow shirts, is ghastly. When people go on about yellow shirts being Arsenal's heritage, our record in cup finals wearing yellow is dreadful. I researched our record in cup finals for an article I did in The Gooner a while back and we've lost many more than we've won in yellow. That's part of the club's heritage I can do without.

The blue third kit looks okay in my opinion. Not my favourite shade of blue, but at least it isn't yellow.

Hang on we’ve worn yellow in many successful games. 71 final, 79, 89, bernabeau

The blue shirt looks horrendous but I think it might be fake

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 23, 2019 7:41 am ]
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Who would you back from Arsenal if it went to pens?
Aubameyang and Lacazette would be 1 and 2.
Don’t think I’d trust Özil.
Xhaka would have to take one - I’d be nervous
If AMN takes as calm a pen as he is generally on the pitch he’d be ok.
Kolasinac prefers to pass than shoot - nope
Don’t fancy any of the defence.
Torreira takes free kicks so should take one.

Not sure we would have too many I’d count on

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu May 23, 2019 7:45 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
Also, let’s hope that it doesn’t go to a penalty shoot out.

Has Leno ever saved a penalty for us? I can't remember one, and he's faced a few. To be honest I think Čech and Leno make the same basic error when facing penalties. They both dive too early, making it easy for the penalty taker to adjust and put it the other side to the one they've dived to.


I think we haven’t had a decent penalty keeper since. Seaman and your absolutely right it’s all about having the guts to stay on your feet as long as possible

I think it’s not that Čech or Leno are great penalty stoppers just that a 25 year old keeper will have better reactions than a 36 year old.

I think an amicable solution needs to be reached and Leno should play but wearing Cechs special helmet as a tribute

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu May 23, 2019 7:46 am ]
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Rich wrote:
Who would you back from Arsenal if it went to pens?
Aubameyang and Lacazette would be 1 and 2.
Don’t think I’d trust Özil.
Xhaka would have to take one - I’d be nervous
If AMN takes as calm a pen as he is generally on the pitch he’d be ok.
Kolasinac prefers to pass than shoot - nope
Don’t fancy any of the defence.
Torreira takes free kicks so should take one.

Not sure we would have too many I’d count on

Mhikitaryan is taking a pen definitely if he was out there. Probably Monreal too

Author:  long time gooner [ Thu May 23, 2019 7:54 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
Also, let’s hope that it doesn’t go to a penalty shoot out.

Has Leno ever saved a penalty for us? I can't remember one, and he's faced a few. To be honest I think Čech and Leno make the same basic error when facing penalties. They both dive too early, making it easy for the penalty taker to adjust and put it the other side to the one they've dived to.

You’re quite right as I’ve just discovered. I had been making an incorrect assumption (probably based on thinking that he must be better than Čech).

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/bernd-l ... eler/72476

Author:  Bernard [ Thu May 23, 2019 8:12 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Bernard wrote:
I simply don't like yellow as a colour so in my view that away shirt, like all yellow shirts, is ghastly. When people go on about yellow shirts being Arsenal's heritage, our record in cup finals wearing yellow is dreadful. I researched our record in cup finals for an article I did in The Gooner a while back and we've lost many more than we've won in yellow. That's part of the club's heritage I can do without.

The blue third kit looks okay in my opinion. Not my favourite shade of blue, but at least it isn't yellow.

Hang on we’ve worn yellow in many successful games. 71 final, 79, 89, bernabeau

The blue shirt looks horrendous but I think it might be fake

Bernabeau wasn't a final and nor was Anfield in 1989. From memory, I think we've won three cup finals in yellow, but lost quite a few more. I will have kept The Gooner that my article was in, but currently don't have the time to dig it out. If you're using the heritage argument with yellow shirts, then losing cup finals has more to do with it. I'm sorry, I just don't like yellow as a colour. Cheap, nasty and lacking style.

Author:  Bernard [ Thu May 23, 2019 8:16 am ]
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long time gooner wrote:
Bernard wrote:
Has Leno ever saved a penalty for us? I can't remember one, and he's faced a few. To be honest I think Čech and Leno make the same basic error when facing penalties. They both dive too early, making it easy for the penalty taker to adjust and put it the other side to the one they've dived to.

You’re quite right as I’ve just discovered. I had been making an incorrect assumption (probably based on thinking that he must be better than Čech).

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/bernd-l ... eler/72476

Basically, whoever is in goal, we probably need to win in the 90 minutes, or 120 if it goes to extra time.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu May 23, 2019 9:54 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
Hang on we’ve worn yellow in many successful games. 71 final, 79, 89, bernabeau

The blue shirt looks horrendous but I think it might be fake

Bernabeau wasn't a final and nor was Anfield in 1989. From memory, I think we've won three cup finals in yellow, but lost quite a few more. I will have kept The Gooner that my article was in, but currently don't have the time to dig it out. If you're using the heritage argument with yellow shirts, then losing cup finals has more to do with it. I'm sorry, I just don't like yellow as a colour. Cheap, nasty and lacking style.

I won’t argue about what the best colour is :laughing7: that would be a new low for the forum :laughing7:

However I do think historically despite losing finals the connection with arsenal and yellow is far stronger than any other away colour. My son wore a ghastly recent white one to his football training yesterday

At least we are playing in red next week.

Author:  Bernard [ Thu May 23, 2019 11:21 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
I won’t argue about what the best colour is :laughing7: that would be a new low for the forum :laughing7:

However I do think historically despite losing finals the connection with arsenal and yellow is far stronger than any other away colour. My son wore a ghastly recent white one to his football training yesterday

At least we are playing in red next week.

Red shirts and white sleeves is by far the strongest connection to Arsenal, way more than yellow.

Author:  Goonie [ Thu May 23, 2019 2:08 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Dortmund have once again moved quickly to replace an outgoing player, Pulisic sold for £58m, with two exciting players at decent value, Brandt and Thorgan Hazard. Both signed for less than the fee received for Pulisic.


They have a good system in place - with or without Klopp, Tuchel, Mislintat... they are not doing too badly but I guess still need that extra special someone like Klopp brings to dislodge BM.

Author:  Goonie [ Thu May 23, 2019 2:12 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
I think we haven’t had a decent penalty keeper since. Seaman and your absolutely right it’s all about having the guts to stay on your feet as long as possible


Lehmann was quite good at saving penalties.

Author:  Zed [ Thu May 23, 2019 2:44 pm ]
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Terry Henry wrote:
Zed wrote:
Third kit is to be blue. May or may not be this one.

That is utterly disgusting :8angers:

Then there's this blue. The blue-yellow shirt is a training one. This blue with red sleeves might be a 3rd kit.

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Author:  AmericanGooner [ Thu May 23, 2019 3:31 pm ]
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I'll never, ever forgive turncoat van Persie.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48337570

Author:  dec [ Thu May 23, 2019 4:24 pm ]
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Zed wrote:
Terry Henry wrote:
That is utterly disgusting :8angers:

Then there's this blue. The blue-yellow shirt is a training one. This blue with red sleeves might be a 3rd kit.

While that blue and yellow is pretty crap, the blue and red is a cracking shirt. Our 3rd kits have been apalling for years. That's a beauty.

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 23, 2019 6:57 pm ]
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Certainly lost some painful cup finals in the red. Birmingham was embarrassing, Liverpool in the Owen final was daylight robbery.
We beat Villa in the cup final in the yellow. And obviously not cup finals but as good as Anfield 89, OT 98 overmars, OT 02 Wiltord.

It’s the right move to have a yellow away, that just feels like arsenal to be. Don’t really mind what they do with he third kit, something fun that sells well to younger fans usually works. The Nigeria World Cup kit was pretty psychedelic but had fans queued around the block trying to buy it. I think a proper rehash of bruised banana would have the same affect for Arsenal fans

Author:  old man of hoy [ Thu May 23, 2019 7:56 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
... I'm sorry, I just don't like yellow as a colour. Cheap, nasty and lacking style.
Yes, it really spoiled watching Pele, Garrincha, Gerson, Tostao, Jair, Rivelinho, Socrates, Zico, Romario, Bebeto and Ronaldo...

Author:  Zed [ Thu May 23, 2019 9:45 pm ]
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Still have time to make this happen. Maybe.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksport. ... aryan/amp/

Author:  Goonie [ Thu May 23, 2019 10:29 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Certainly lost some painful cup finals in the red. Birmingham was embarrassing, Liverpool in the Owen final was daylight robbery.
We beat Villa in the cup final in the yellow. And obviously not cup finals but as good as Anfield 89, OT 98 overmars, OT 02 Wiltord.

It’s the right move to have a yellow away, that just feels like arsenal to be. Don’t really mind what they do with he third kit, something fun that sells well to younger fans usually works. The Nigeria World Cup kit was pretty psychedelic but had fans queued around the block trying to buy it. I think a proper rehash of bruised banana would have the same affect for Arsenal fans


The Adidas 1990-92 home shirt was very nice. Adidas should also look at rehashing the 1989 away shirt. The supposed third kit looks nice. Then there will be the pre-match and training shirts. Probably 5-7 shirts every season nowadays...

Author:  Bernard [ Thu May 23, 2019 10:44 pm ]
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old man of hoy wrote:
Bernard wrote:
... I'm sorry, I just don't like yellow as a colour. Cheap, nasty and lacking style.
Yes, it really spoiled watching Pele, Garrincha, Gerson, Tostao, Jair, Rivelinho, Socrates, Zico, Romario, Bebeto and Ronaldo...

Great players but their national team has a vile shirt.

Author:  Bernard [ Thu May 23, 2019 11:08 pm ]
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Zed wrote:
Still have time to make this happen. Maybe.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/talksport. ... aryan/amp/

Zero chance, sadly.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Fri May 24, 2019 4:53 am ]
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Completely off topic and random post but I heard this song earlier and it reminds me of Sunday drives with my father and him having the radio on to the '70s classic station and this song always seem to come on at some point those afternoons. One of, if not the, greatest sax riffs ever. Had no idea till I looked it up he is scottish and the song is for a street in London. Is it the same Baker Street of Sherlock Holmes fame?


Author:  long time gooner [ Fri May 24, 2019 5:59 am ]
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AmericanGooner wrote:
Completely off topic and random post but I heard this song earlier and it reminds me of Sunday drives with my father and him having the radio on to the '70s classic station and this song always seem to come on at some point those afternoons. One of, if not the, greatest sax riffs ever. Had no idea till I looked it up he is scottish and the song is for a street in London. Is it the same Baker Street of Sherlock Holmes fame?


Yes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_Street_(song)

Author:  socrates [ Fri May 24, 2019 7:36 am ]
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Arseblog gave a link to the second part of the Arsenal interview with Managing Director Vinai Venkatesham and Head of Football Raul Sanllehi.

He likened Sanllehi to a husky voiced Austin Powers and I just thought it was just hilarious.

It's actually a very good interview. Have a look and see what you think.

Groovy baby.


https://arseblog.com/2019/05/sanllehi-p ... e-actions/

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Fri May 24, 2019 7:52 am ]
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Wenger hints at not managing again. My guess and its only a guess, Wenger wanted to manage with similar parameters he had with us and he was not given assurances of that. I think he is not suited for the modern club football team. Football at the club level has changed a lot since he arrived on the scene. I think what may be his space is national football and even so it may not be at a top FIFA country. I'd be curious to see how he manages in that realm.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/wenger-hin ... 52731.html

Author:  warrior [ Fri May 24, 2019 9:19 am ]
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And this : https://www.goal.com/en-au/news/i-want- ... gbr509ioi1

"I want to share what I've learned' - Wenger eyeing return but unsure about future role"

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Fri May 24, 2019 9:34 am ]
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warrior wrote:
And this : https://www.goal.com/en-au/news/i-want- ... gbr509ioi1

"I want to share what I've learned' - Wenger eyeing return but unsure about future role"

As long as it is nowhere’s near our club and the clusterf. he left behind.

Author:  Bernard [ Fri May 24, 2019 11:31 am ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
warrior wrote:
And this : https://www.goal.com/en-au/news/i-want- ... gbr509ioi1

"I want to share what I've learned' - Wenger eyeing return but unsure about future role"

As long as it is nowhere’s near our club and the clusterf. he left behind.

Well said Gaz. Fully agree.

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