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Rich wrote:

The key is getting the attacking wide men so the full backs aren’t tasked with being the only ones supplying the width

I want us to go back to a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. Flat back 4 who defend first and foremost, a solid midfield 3 who provide a stable base to defend and attack from, 2 proper wide men who can dribble and beat a man and take shots and Aubameyang up front

Agree ........

Leno
Bellerin Sok Holding Tierney
Torreira Guendozi
Pépé Willock Saka
Aubameyang

Rich wrote:

Since we got Aubameyang and Lacazette, might as well play old school 4-4-2 rather than Aubameyang wide. Pépé, Saka and Nelson can rotate to be the wide players.

gooner7 wrote:

Freddie must be brave to pick the more driven youngsters to wear the shirt. Drop those who play with little conviction. IMO, those to be dropped are Luiz, Xhaka, Aubameyang, and Özil.

I agree G7 but it wont happen .... if Ljungberg perserveres with Özil it'll show he hasn't got a clue .

On a positive note if we do get relegated , think of all the clubs we can get re - aquainted with West Brom . Preston , Leeds , Nottingham Forest , QPR , Derby .

I mean ... when 's the last time we played Luton .... have they still got that plastic pitch ?

Fans can have nice punch up with Millwall supporters . Plenty to savour .

I would try Guendouzi as a wide right mid ala Ray Parlour.

:icon_scratch: Five dead and another eight missing .... " what are you guys going to do today .... ? I know let's have a wander around an active volcano ...Brilliant idea "

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12292240

kiwipete wrote:

If the alternative is the city game this weekend id be tempted to opt for the volcano. You eventually pass out as your flesh burns anyway

I can't believe I'm worrying about playing bloody West Ham.

4-0, at least. To The Arsenal. At least.

I think for the first time this season the team line up really makes sense. Be interested how they get on.

gooner7 wrote:

Agree ........

Leno
Bellerin Sok Holding Tierney
Torreira Guendozi
Pépé Willock Saka
Aubameyang

One could debate personnel (playing all of Rierney, Pépé, Willock and Saka feels a bit raw maybe ...)

But I'd definitely agree with the formation and with the absence of Xhaka and Özil from your lineup.

It hardly seems like rocket science, does it?

I'm still hopeful that Freddie can get some good results. But the clock is ticking.

Özil loses the ball and we're already wide open

A tactic I've rarely, if ever, seen employed in football but I have seen it as a strategy in basketball is a quick throw in catching the opposition either unawares, unfocused or disorganized.

Never really understand why I've never recalled seeing it.

AmericanGooner wrote:

You mean like this ?

https://youtu.be/gCWjioIR5MM

"he's turned his back on the throw. Özil"

Words fail me

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:19 pm ]
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I've said this ad nauseum I know but its still factual. People act as if Wenger could do whatever he wanted. Wenger could only do what Kroenke allowed and Kroenke allowed Wenger to have the run of the house. Until he didn't want him around any longer. The man at the top is the one in charge and gets the blame or the credit for our fortunes. We are f*cked as a club overall because we have an absentee owner who invested in us with the same mindset one buys shares off the exchange. Maybe it's possible, but I don't see how a club can be a winning club with such an owner. I've yet to see it but maybe there is anecdotal evidence out there. Even the Glaziers realized you need to do two things, first get the right football people in your organization who know what they are doing and two, spend.

Author:	Decaf [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:35 pm ]
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gooner7 wrote: Rich wrote: The key is getting the attacking wide men so the full backs aren’t tasked with being the only ones supplying the width I want us to go back to a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. Flat back 4 who defend first and foremost, a solid midfield 3 who provide a stable base to defend and attack from, 2 proper wide men who can dribble and beat a man and take shots and Aubameyang up front Agree ........ Leno Bellerin Sok Holding Tierney Torreira Guendozi Pépé Willock Saka Aubameyang One could debate personnel (playing all of Rierney, Pépé, Willock and Saka feels a bit raw maybe ...) But I'd definitely agree with the formation and with the absence of Xhaka and Özil from your lineup. It hardly seems like rocket science, does it? I'm still hopeful that Freddie can get some good results. But the clock is ticking.

Author:	Decaf [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:39 pm ]
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Goonie wrote: Rich wrote: The key is getting the attacking wide men so the full backs aren’t tasked with being the only ones supplying the width I want us to go back to a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1. Flat back 4 who defend first and foremost, a solid midfield 3 who provide a stable base to defend and attack from, 2 proper wide men who can dribble and beat a man and take shots and Aubameyang up front Since we got Aubameyang and Lacazette, might as well play old school 4-4-2 rather than Aubameyang wide. Pépé, Saka and Nelson can rotate to be the wide players. Playing Aubameyang wide in order to accommodate Lacazette is not optimal. But rather play one with two natural wide players and bring the other on as a sub-- either to reinforce or replace.

Author:	Decaf [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:44 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote: gooner7 wrote: Freddie must be brave to pick the more driven youngsters to wear the shirt. Drop those who play with little conviction. IMO, those to be dropped are Luiz, Xhaka, Aubameyang, and Özil. I agree G7 but it wont happen .... if Ljungberg perserveres with Özil it'll show he hasn't got a clue . On a positive note if we do get relegated , think of all the clubs we can get re - aquainted with West Brom . Preston , Leeds , Nottingham Forest , QPR , Derby . I mean ... when 's the last time we played Luton .... have they still got that plastic pitch ? Fans can have nice punch up with Millwall supporters . Plenty to savour . I'm almost looking forward to it!

Author:	dec [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:33 pm ]
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Playing 4-4-2 with the central midfielders we have would be madness. A midfield two is virtually impossible these days. You'd need a Vieira for that.

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Author:	kiwipete [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:02 pm ]
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Goonie wrote: I would try Guendouzi as a wide right mid ala Ray Parlour. NO , NO , NO , NO ...... this isn't the time for any experimentation , square pegs in round holes . Without bigging it up too much this is one of the most pivotal matches in our history . What result we get in a couple of hours has a huge bearing on the rest of the season . Man City smarting from their recent defeat are next up . They wont want to fall any further behind Liverpool so there is no way in the world will we beat them...... then it's a rejuventated Everton away Looking at the table there is a gaggle of teams ready to pass us or draw level . Only Watford and Norwich are adrift . Xmas Day in the bottom three could easily be on the cards . I'd go similar to Soc . Leno ... Back four ' stay at home ' .... Xhaka , Torriera cemented in front of them .... long balls to Martinelli , Aubameyang , Pépé .......plus either Willock or Saka .

Author:	kiwipete [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:21 pm ]
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Five dead and another eight missing .... " what are you guys going to do today .... ? I know let's have a wander around an active volcano ...Brilliant idea " https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12292240

Author:	TOP GUN [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:30 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote: :icon_scratch: Five dead and another eight missing .... " what are you guys going to do today .... ? I know let's have a wander around an active volcano ...Brilliant idea " https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12292240 If the alternative is the city game this weekend id be tempted to opt for the volcano. You eventually pass out as your flesh burns anyway

Author:	kiwipete [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 6:58 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote: kiwipete wrote: :icon_scratch: Five dead and another eight missing .... " what are you guys going to do today .... ? I know let's have a wander around an active volcano ...Brilliant idea " https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/arti ... d=12292240 If the alternative is the city game this weekend id be tempted to opt for the volcano. You eventually pass out as your flesh burns anyway True .... the City game will be death by a thousand cuts .... very painful I live in a volcanic area ...... I'd say the tourists didn't have the discomfit of burns ; more likely they succumbed to sulphur dioxide , hydrogen sulphide , hydrogen chloride gases . Maybe falling rocks

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:12 pm ]
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Seeing a pregame interview with Torreira and he needed an interpreter. Not that I'm expecting him to speak the Queen's english but just a little surprised.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:13 pm ]
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Well done Freddie apart from Xhaka that’s pretty close to the side I’d pick.

Author:	kiwipete [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:14 pm ]
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Greeny wrote: I can't believe I'm worrying about playing bloody West Ham. 4-0, at least. To The Arsenal. At least. That's in days gone by when we beat them year in and year out . Just Bergkamp . Pires , Henry , Campbell getting off the bus , scared them sh*tless . ... How the mighty have fallen We are an arthritic old lion , a couple of canines missing , with his arse backed up to a thorn bush surrounded by a pack of hyenas . if I was betting the house on it I guess I'd go for a 1 - 0 win to us .

Author:	TOP GUN [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:18 pm ]
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I think for the first time this season the team line up really makes sense. Be interested how they get on.

Author:	Rich [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:31 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote: I think for the first time this season the team line up really makes sense. Be interested how they get on. Far more balanced. Our best full backs in the team. CB being picked as probably the most accomplished natural defenders in the squad (hope they don’t have to face too much pace) Can even understand Xhaka for his passing though we will miss Guendouzi’s energy. 2 proper wide men who have pace can dribble, create and score. Özil away from home still worries me Dropping Lacazette away is probably the right call. No place to hide now

Author:	Lincoln gooner [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:27 pm ]
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Low key start to the game, unsurprisingly with both teams on bad runs of form. Delighted to see Luiz benched, he's been absolute shite since he arrived, and Martinelli teaming up with Tierney on the left. And now Tierney going off injured

Author:	Lincoln gooner [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:45 pm ]
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Weeee're %^@** %^@, Weeee're %^@*** %^@ We're %^@*** %^@, we're %^@*** %^@, weee're %^@*** shiiittt

Author:	socrates [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:39 pm ]
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I like the team today. It's youthful and pacy and energetic. No idea if it will work but I like what Freddie's done today and if it goes pear-shaped, which it could, I won't be blaming him at all. I think its the sort of team most Arsenal fans would like to see. Personally, I wouldn't have gone for Xhaka and Özil but there are not too many options, bar the kids.

Author:	bubblechris [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:45 pm ]
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Hoping and expecting Aubameyang to play as striker. Good to see Martinelli getting his chance. Looking forward to the game for a change.

Author:	Rich [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:51 pm ]
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Bellerin injured in the warm up AMN replaces him

Author:	gooner7 [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 7:58 pm ]
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Decaf wrote: gooner7 wrote: Agree ........ Leno Bellerin Sok Holding Tierney Torreira Guendozi Pépé Willock Saka Aubameyang One could debate personnel (playing all of Rierney, Pépé, Willock and Saka feels a bit raw maybe ...) But I'd definitely agree with the formation and with the absence of Xhaka and Özil from your lineup. It hardly seems like rocket science, does it? I'm still hopeful that Freddie can get some good results. But the clock is ticking. Raw or Fresh, at least a change from the Stale

Author:	DHD [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:10 pm ]
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Greeny wrote: Özil loses the ball and we're already wide open Özil makes Bambi look aggressive

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:13 pm ]
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A tactic I've rarely, if ever, seen employed in football but I have seen it as a strategy in basketball is a quick throw in catching the opposition either unawares, unfocused or disorganized. Never really understand why I've never recalled seeing it.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:25 pm ]
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AmericanGooner wrote: A tactic I've rarely, if ever, seen employed in football but I have seen it as a strategy in basketball is a quick throw in catching the opposition either unawares, unfocused or disorganized. Never really understand why I've never recalled seeing it. You mean like this ? https://youtu.be/gCWjioIR5MM

Author:	gooner7 [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:28 pm ]
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Freddie to Özil "move the ball faster"

Author:	kiwipete [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:28 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote: AmericanGooner wrote: A tactic I've rarely, if ever, seen employed in football but I have seen it as a strategy in basketball is a quick throw in catching the opposition either unawares, unfocused or disorganized. Never really understand why I've never recalled seeing it. You mean like this ? https://youtu.be/gCWjioIR5MM In your haste to give him a kick in the nuts .... he does mention THROW IN https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyQZHGhjBoE

Author:	Rich [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:31 pm ]
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Kolasinac who wasn’t even in the match day squad is now on the pitch due to bellerin’s injury in the warm up and now Tierney off injured. When your luck is out it really is out

Author:	gooner7 [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:34 pm ]
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Half hearted attempt by Özil

Author:	Decaf [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:37 pm ]
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Greeny wrote: "he's turned his back on the throw. Özil" Words fail me They fail me when I see his name on the team sheet.

Author:	gooner7 [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:38 pm ]
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Take Özil out of the team. He is not commited.

Author:	Rich [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:38 pm ]
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Here we go again

Author:	DHD [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:39 pm ]
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Xhaka ducks out of that

Author:	gooner7 [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:40 pm ]
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Ball watching again

Author:	Rich [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:41 pm ]
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Var check for handball - never expected it to be ruled out. Not sure var has given us anything apart from that ridiculous Aubameyang offside goal v Man U

Author:	john1 [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:42 pm ]
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Do they choose morons for the VAR booth? Why did that decision take that long? Ridiculous

Author:	Rich [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:47 pm ]
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Absolutely despair atthe lack of energy or pace in our game. I posted before this game that this is two teams absolutely devoid of confidence but you just knew that West Ham would find a way out of their recent funk and raise the tempo against us and score first and we’ll struggle to even get a shot to test the gk. no shot on target at the time of writing. Relegation fight is on. And how many in this team do you fancy in that fight? Complete embarrassment. I’m actually amazed this will likely be only our 5th loss this season! We’ve been second best in every game I can recall this season Things will keep getting worse until we change the attitude. Our effort levels mean the opposition only have to raise their game to about 75% and they will beat us easily. Timid, cowardly, gutless, work shy....the failure to even just muster an opening 10 minutes with some sort of energy is shocking

Author:	DHD [ Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:50 pm ]
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For the nth week running, we are making a *%^@ team look good.