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Author:  Rich [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:12 am ]
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Leno, AMN, Sokratis, Mustafi, Kola, Xhaka, torreira, Iwobi, Mkhitaryan, Aubameyang, Lacazette

No Özil in the matchday squad at all

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:51 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
Rich wrote:
More talk this morning of arsenal handing Welbeck a new contract. As long as he’s fully recovered from hi injury I can see sense in that. It would cost £15-20m to replace him in the squad and that is money that could be used elsewhere if he resigns. He’s versatile, gives 100% and offers a bit of a plan b both up front and on the wing. I don’t sign up for giving players sympathy contracts or because they are a fan favourite - this just makes sense. Ideally we get a player better than Welbeck but we need to cut our cloth accordingly. If we can push another £15m towards a centre back and left back because Welbeck is signed on for 2-3 more years then I say do it. There is talk of a lower basic wage with performance related bonuses

Couldn't agree more. Welbeck's never going to get in anybody's best ever Arsenal team, unless his mother is picking it. But as an all round player he's more than useful. Good pace, decent skill, okay in his passing, absolutely fine in the air without being another John Radford, and one of the hardest working players I've ever seen at Arsenal.

The main moan about him concerns his goal scoring, which doesn't set the house on fire when dividing appearances by goals scored. But as I mentioned here whenever it was, I saw a calculation of his goal scoring rate using actual minutes on the pitch instead of simple appearances (coming on as a sub in injury time counts as an appearance). By using goals scored per minutes on the pitch, Welbeck's goal scoring at Arsenal actually translates into a ratio of one goal every two games. That isn't bad.


Actually that’s very good for a non regular. Wiltord was one in 3 for us

I’d offer Welbeck a contract. Good guy with a great attitude

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:53 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
Aimed at Xhaka, Özil, Mustafi and co not tracking back or reacting to danger

My guess is it has more to do with him wanting toughness as well as skill. More likely he's thinking of Özil and Mkhitaryan, I'd have thought.

Actually your probably right.

The club are paying Özil and Mkhitaryan 500 grand a week, must be a real bone of contention that they only deliver in spurts

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:53 am ]
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Got a feeling top 4 ends today. Hope I’m wrong

Author:  bromley gooner [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:12 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Got a feeling top 4 ends today. Hope I’m wrong

We are so unpredictable absolutely nothing would surprise me today. Good or bad.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:29 am ]
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Great save Leno

Otherwise utterly abysmal so far. Just offered nothing what so ever

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:34 am ]
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We are so predictable. Our creative players just don’t seem able to impose themselves on any game. Everything seems so telegraphed

I’m surprised Emery hasn’t called up Saka into the main squad. If nothing else to offer something different.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:37 am ]
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Niles off

Goodbye top 4

Author:  warrior [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:37 am ]
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Down to 10 men - sounds familiar ....

Author:  bromley gooner [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:37 am ]
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Ffs AMN off.

Author:  grantyboy [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:37 am ]
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And how predictable was that. Brainless.

Author:  grantyboy [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:38 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
Rich wrote:
More talk this morning of arsenal handing Welbeck a new contract. As long as he’s fully recovered from hi injury I can see sense in that. It would cost £15-20m to replace him in the squad and that is money that could be used elsewhere if he resigns. He’s versatile, gives 100% and offers a bit of a plan b both up front and on the wing. I don’t sign up for giving players sympathy contracts or because they are a fan favourite - this just makes sense. Ideally we get a player better than Welbeck but we need to cut our cloth accordingly. If we can push another £15m towards a centre back and left back because Welbeck is signed on for 2-3 more years then I say do it. There is talk of a lower basic wage with performance related bonuses

Couldn't agree more. Welbeck's never going to get in anybody's best ever Arsenal team, unless his mother is picking it. But as an all round player he's more than useful. Good pace, decent skill, okay in his passing, absolutely fine in the air without being another John Radford, and one of the hardest working players I've ever seen at Arsenal.

The main moan about him concerns his goal scoring, which doesn't set the house on fire when dividing appearances by goals scored. But as I mentioned here whenever it was, I saw a calculation of his goal scoring rate using actual minutes on the pitch instead of simple appearances (coming on as a sub in injury time counts as an appearance). By using goals scored per minutes on the pitch, Welbeck's goal scoring at Arsenal actually translates into a ratio of one goal every two games. That isn't bad.


Irrelevant given that he's never on the pitch

Author:  lomekian [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:40 am ]
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Soft second booking, but shouldn't dive in when booked.

Tactically Emery has got it wrong a lot recently and again today, but he's not helped by having so many players injured and so many who just aren't and never will be good enough. The recruitment in recent years (not to mention the sales) has been poor, and we don't have the money to make mistakes like the other big clubs.

Author:  Niall [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:40 am ]
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Very harsh that from Oliver, usually a good ref.

Author:  grantyboy [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:40 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
We are so predictable. Our creative players just don’t seem able to impose themselves on any game. Everything seems so telegraphed

I’m surprised Emery hasn’t called up Saka into the main squad. If nothing else to offer something different.


Why the *%^@ is Mikitaryan even on the pitch. Might as well be playing a man down before Maitland got sent off.

Utterly woeful. I've said it before but if Emery hasn't made major improvements by December then he's not the guy for the job

Author:  bromley gooner [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:41 am ]
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Mkhi at right back. :20hospitals:

Author:  lomekian [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:41 am ]
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Lacazette gets fouled so often without getting anything - every week he gets clattered

Author:  lomekian [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:43 am ]
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Seen the two bookings again - I rate Oliver as a ref, but that is a joke.

Author:  bromley gooner [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:43 am ]
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We are really under the cosh now. Not looking good.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:45 am ]
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grantyboy wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
We are so predictable. Our creative players just don’t seem able to impose themselves on any game. Everything seems so telegraphed

I’m surprised Emery hasn’t called up Saka into the main squad. If nothing else to offer something different.


Why the *%^@ is Mikitaryan even on the pitch. Might as well be playing a man down before Maitland got sent off



He’s my latest pet hate. 170 k a week and the third highest paid player at the club and his touch and distribution let him down so much.

Sometimes he can do some decent things but nowhere near often enough

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:45 am ]
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lomekian wrote:
Seen the two bookings again - I rate Oliver as a ref, but that is a joke.

First booking was a complete joke.

2nd probably right.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:49 am ]
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Niall wrote:
Very harsh that from Oliver, usually a good ref.

two absolutely stupid fouls. It is not as if they were bearing down on goal. So many players lack even any basic football nous. I am pretty sure that Mustafi and a few others on the field are not the ones to impart it. For instance Iwobi continues to run down blind alleys, stupid fouls, failure to stay on your feet it just goes on and on. Mental strength of a soft marshmallow. Otherwise all is going okay.

Author:  lomekian [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:52 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
lomekian wrote:
Seen the two bookings again - I rate Oliver as a ref, but that is a joke.

First booking was a complete joke.

2nd probably right.


2nd is the kind of challenge that rarely gets booked to be honest. Either way, we're not good enough as a team to keep getting screwed by refs as often as we are. I don't think its a grand conspiracy, but you look at the way the other 'big' teams get treated by refs and the way we do, and there is a clear discrepancy. Lacazette got a penalty which was a part-foul/part-dive a few weeks back, but the guy has been fouled in the area so many times this season and hasn't been given a damn thing.

That said, we've been pony today, red card or no. The red just reduces our ability to fix it.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:52 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
grantyboy wrote:

Why the *%^@ is Mikitaryan even on the pitch. Might as well be playing a man down before Maitland got sent off



He’s my latest pet hate. 170 k a week and the third highest paid player at the club and his touch and distribution let him down so much.

Sometimes he can do some decent things but nowhere near often enough

Well, it could be because Ramsay is always injured, Wellbeck is always injured - so I suppose he earns his money because he is on the pitch instead of the injury room. I don't think anyone has ever scored from the injury room although I think Messi may be able to do so.

Author:  gooner7 [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:52 am ]
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grantyboy wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
We are so predictable. Our creative players just don’t seem able to impose themselves on any game. Everything seems so telegraphed

I’m surprised Emery hasn’t called up Saka into the main squad. If nothing else to offer something different.


Why the *%^@ is Mikitaryan even on the pitch. Might as well be playing a man down before Maitland got sent off.

Utterly woeful. I've said it before but if Emery hasn't made major improvements by December then he's not the guy for the job


Mkhitaryan is just so useless and doesn't bust a gut for the team. Shys away from tackles.

Author:  Niall [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:52 am ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
Niall wrote:
Very harsh that from Oliver, usually a good ref.

two absolutely stupid fouls. It is not as if they were bearing down on goal. So many players lack even any basic football nous. I am pretty sure that Mustafi and a few others on the field are not the ones to impart it. For instance Iwobi continues to run down blind alleys, stupid fouls, failure to stay on your feet it just goes on and on. Mental strength of a soft marshmallow. Otherwise all is going okay.

The first one was a good foul it stopped a dangerous counter attack. Don't often see a yellow brandished after 7 minutes but can5 complain about it really.

Second one of course a foul but player was just a little late after a miscontrol. Leicester still had the ball in a dangerous enough position. Not every foul is a yellow. I think that should have been a warning, not as if Niles had been making fouls all half. Harsh decision imo.

Author:  lomekian [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:53 am ]
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The BBC seem to agree both yellows were a joke. Particularly as Ndidi only got a yellow for studs half way up Xhaka's leg - not saying that's a red but far far worse than either of AMN's

Author:  socrates [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:53 am ]
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Even before the booking I thought we were outclassed in every area of the pitch. Leicester were quicker, stronger, more aggressive and even played more incisive football.

Mika and Iwobi are just lightweights, Torreira and Xhaka are unable to control the midfield even against moderate opposition and our defence is just hopeless. How many free headers did Leicester get?

The sending off has just been the icing on a pretty stale cake.

Author:  socrates [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:55 am ]
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lomekian wrote:
The BBC seem to agree both yellows were a joke. Particularly as Ndidi only got a yellow for studs half way up Xhaka's leg - not saying that's a red but far far worse than either of AMN's


I thought both yellows were probably yellows in the context of what you get yellows for these days.

Author:  Niall [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:57 am ]
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lomekian wrote:
The BBC seem to agree both yellows were a joke. Particularly as Ndidi only got a yellow for studs half way up Xhaka's leg - not saying that's a red but far far worse than either of AMN's

Agree, Sky saying harsh as well.

Somehow still at 0-0 but don't fancy us holding out long into second half. Our passing and movement is woeful. Still had a great chance via Iwobis effort but it was tame again.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:57 am ]
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Niall wrote:
Gaz from Oz wrote:
two absolutely stupid fouls. It is not as if they were bearing down on goal. So many players lack even any basic football nous. I am pretty sure that Mustafi and a few others on the field are not the ones to impart it. For instance Iwobi continues to run down blind alleys, stupid fouls, failure to stay on your feet it just goes on and on. Mental strength of a soft marshmallow. Otherwise all is going okay.

The first one was a good foul it stopped a dangerous counter attack. Don't often see a yellow brandished after 7 minutes but can5 complain about it really.

Second one of course a foul but player was just a little late after a miscontrol. Leicester still had the ball in a dangerous enough position. Not every foul is a yellow. I think that should have been a warning, not as if Niles had been making fouls all half. Harsh decision imo.

I know what you mean. But when you watch City you will see how many times their players do not foul but just try and shut down the play. A lot of our fouls are lazy players just not wanting to keep tracking the player, panic from having lost the ball or a foul demonstrates their slow reactions. Maybe it is because they lack the skills. If so then we need to get rid of them.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:57 am ]
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Niall wrote:
Gaz from Oz wrote:
two absolutely stupid fouls. It is not as if they were bearing down on goal. So many players lack even any basic football nous. I am pretty sure that Mustafi and a few others on the field are not the ones to impart it. For instance Iwobi continues to run down blind alleys, stupid fouls, failure to stay on your feet it just goes on and on. Mental strength of a soft marshmallow. Otherwise all is going okay.

The first one was a good foul it stopped a dangerous counter attack. Don't often see a yellow brandished after 7 minutes but can5 complain about it really.

Second one of course a foul but player was just a little late after a miscontrol. Leicester still had the ball in a dangerous enough position. Not every foul is a yellow. I think that should have been a warning, not as if Niles had been making fouls all half. Harsh decision imo.

I know what you mean. But when you watch City you will see how many times their players do not foul but just try and shut down the play. A lot of our fouls are lazy players just not wanting to keep tracking the player, panic from having lost the ball or a foul demonstrates their slow reactions. Maybe it is because they lack the skills. If so then we need to get rid of them.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:59 am ]
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socrates wrote:
Even before the booking I thought we were outclassed in every area of the pitch. Leicester were quicker, stronger, more aggressive and even played more incisive football.

Mika and Iwobi are just lightweights, Torreira and Xhaka are unable to control the midfield even against moderate opposition and our defence is just hopeless. How many free headers did Leicester get?

The sending off has just been the icing on a pretty stale cake.

At least Leno looked okay today. Can't disagree with much of all the other things you say.

Author:  Niall [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:03 pm ]
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A point would be a good result now with United to play Chelsea later.

Kos on here for Iwobi.

Author:  Niall [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:06 pm ]
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What is Mustafi doing there well out of position.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:12 pm ]
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General demeanor and body language of most of the players from the start said there is no sense of urgency. If we score, and its hard to see that happening, it may be from a moment of individual brilliance rather than a well built up team display.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:15 pm ]
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Ever since Santi Cazorla went out injured and Xhaka came into our midfield we have never been able to control the middle of the park. Coquelin and Santi was a more effective combination when what we have right now. What I’d give to have an even aged Cazorla back in our side.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:16 pm ]
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So 10 minutes of the half, Kos an absolute stupid ball, Mustafi anywhere and totally under the pump , Xhaka with a stupid shot - totally lacking skill and another Xhaka loose touch, no pace in the team. So that is the experienced players - need I say more. Aubameyang has little pace. Do they ever practice 10 agaisnt 11 or 9 against 11 or can't they bother. The send off will give them an excuse.

Author:  warrior [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:17 pm ]
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And any points slip further away .... :1cry:

Author:  Arsenalia [ Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:17 pm ]
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Inevitable :20hospitals:

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