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Author:  grantyboy [ Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:22 pm ]
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socrates wrote:
Bernard wrote:
We lost 1-5 against Bayern twice, home and away in the 2016/17 season which was a year before our worst season under Wenger. We did not concede seven against Bayern, and Tottenham’s 2-7 loss against them tonight was at their home ground.

However much people are enjoying having a moan about Emery, we are better under him now than we were then. I think there’s every doubt we’d concede seven at home to Bayern because we have improved in my view.

I was stunned although not that surprised when I read the negativity here following the draw at Old Trafford. I felt we played okay. They are well behind the levels they attained under Ferguson, but Manchester United away is never going to be an easy three points. Am I right in thinking they beat Chelsea 4-0 at Old Trafford this season?

I believe we were just about the better team for a match that with home advantage Manchester United started the game as clear favourites (according to Talksport). As a rule bookmakers make so much money because their odds reflect the most likely outcomes, while many gamblers risk their money on longer odds bets that are less likely to occur. I reckon it was over optimistic to demand Arsenal winning last night and a draw wasn’t a bad result. Moreover, deserving to win (Saka, who otherwise played well, missed a sitter to get the three points), implies Arsenal performed above expectations according to bookmaker’s (think it was Paddy Power) odds.

In short, I thought some people overreacted and moaned unjustifiably. We’re in fourth place after seven games, three of which were against Liverpool, Manchester United (both away as well) and Tottenham (at home). I see that as a pretty solid start in a run of seven games that included three against tough opponents.


I'm not sure it is any kind of knee-jerk reaction, though, Bernard.

I began to have serious reservations about Emery months ago, mainly due to his team selections, negative tactics, the general way we approached games and the lack of any real style or identity to our play. The dismal run at the end of last season given a relatively friendly fixture list just compounded those earlier reservations. Obviously the players were very much to blame as well but I think the buck stops with the manager when you fail so miserably in those circumstances.

We had what looks like a good summer window, with some promising purchases and a clear-out of some dead-wood so I don't believe there are any excuses this season. I can't honestly say I have been impressed with what I've witnessed so far, once again poor team selections, systems and tactics have not helped matters. Without Aubameyang, how many points would we have?

I do not enjoy watching us, the way we play is negative, boring and predictable. You say we have improved but our defence is as bad, if not worse, than under Wenger and that is the one key area everyone expected Emery to address.

On the plus side he has given opportunities to Guendouzi, Willock, Saka and Nelson so I think he is not afraid to give youth a chance. However, I am just not sure he is suited to a big club where a certain style is expected along with results. He seems more concerned with negating the threats of opponents than in imposing our own game on the opposition. The polar opposite of Wenger in some respects.

I am not sure the players fully understand the game-plans and instructions he gives them either, given the lack of cohesion and structure in our play.

I hope I am wrong and he turns out to be a great Arsenal manager, I am just not convinced by what I have seen so far.


To confirm, Since the start of the year nealry every Emery managed Arsenal stat is worse than Wengers final year. Less shots on goal, less goals and In defence, way more shots on goal and more goals conceeded. I'm not sure how that can be spun any other way. And to Hazukis point who on Earth thinks Özil should start!?.

Author:  Rich [ Wed Oct 02, 2019 12:48 pm ]
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Thoughts on the Europa League line up.
Martinez, AMN, Mustafi, Holding, Tierney, Torreira, Willock, Özil, Pépé, Nelson, Martinelli
I'd start Pépé to try to boost his confidence.
I'd also be tempted to give Bellerin 45 mins.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:32 pm ]
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Some articles are saying Tierney and Bellerin possibly starting. We'll see.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:35 pm ]
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For all you miserable, Emery out, folks. You Exits (get it? haha...I'll get me coat), its more than likely, Chelsea and Man Utd will be looking for managers before we will. Possibly Real Madrid as well if recent results are anything to go by. This will further reduce the number of candidates out there.
Speaking of which, and of course this is blasphemy, would Poch be a good fit for us? Imagine?! As a side note, what was the feeling like when Graham managed them?

Author:  old man of hoy [ Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:52 pm ]
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AmericanGooner wrote:
...As a side note, what was the feeling like when Graham managed them?
Everbody loved it...especially Spurs fans.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Wed Oct 02, 2019 4:35 pm ]
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My take on the Emery situation is basically that I have serious doubts about if he is the right guy for us now buts it’s very hard to make an argument that he shouldn’t be allowed till the end of the season to prove himself.

Let’s be honest if we had been offered 4th place after our run of games before the season we would have took it. What are people expecting ?

The whole problem though is there is little evidence of any form. Our play is slightly improved from Wengers final year but he hasn’t been able to find a logical midfield despite having many options and our defence is just as bad. Our strikers are saving our bacon every week with their impressive performances and he seems to adopt some very negative starting line ups for bigger games. It just doesn’t feel too great

No matter what anybody says I assure you that if we get top 4 Emery WONT be fired and I believe we are getting top 4 this year.

Author:  Rich [ Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:53 pm ]
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Liverpool have been fined £100k for fielding an ineligible player in the league cup. Not kicked out so we’ll play them at Anfield in the next round. We should play the younger players and tell them to attack them with no fear.

Author:  Rich [ Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:59 pm ]
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I read an article today wondering if Emery will go back to the back 3 at some point this season. I’m not a fan when he does it with passive wing backs and 3 holding mids but on paper it suits a lot of things.
Most of our CB are more comfortable in a back 3
Particularly Luiz who can be a deep playmaker - we haven’t had a player of his passing ability on defence for a while
Bellerin and Tierney could be fantastic wing backs with the ability to get up and down all day and 5-8 assists each a season
Still maintain a midfield 3 which can have flexibility with a No.10
Our strikers play as a pair rather than someone having to go wide - effectively getting our best players in the most dangerous areas

The downside is I’m not convinced the players know the system well enough and switching between them won’t help the organisation.....and it probably means 1 of Lacazette, Aubameyang, Pépé sitting out unless we went with a 3-4-3 formation which may be a bit light in the centre of the park

Author:  TOP GUN [ Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:21 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
I read an article today wondering if Emery will go back to the back 3 at some point this season. I’m not a fan when he does it with passive wing backs and 3 holding mids but on paper it suits a lot of things.
Most of our CB are more comfortable in a back 3
Particularly Luiz who can be a deep playmaker - we haven’t had a player of his passing ability on defence for a while
Bellerin and Tierney could be fantastic wing backs with the ability to get up and down all day and 5-8 assists each a season
Still maintain a midfield 3 which can have flexibility with a No.10
Our strikers play as a pair rather than someone having to go wide - effectively getting our best players in the most dangerous areas

The downside is I’m not convinced the players know the system well enough and switching between them won’t help the organisation.....and it probably means 1 of Lacazette, Aubameyang, Pépé sitting out unless we went with a 3-4-3 formation which may be a bit light in the centre of the park


Saw that clueless article.

That formation doesn’t suit us at all and any team of having aspirations of winning the premier league shouldn’t play 3 centre backs.... especially if you don’t have much of a midfield backbone

Author:  Niall [ Wed Oct 02, 2019 7:41 pm ]
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Anyone watching Inter's passing from the back? Incredible so far

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:36 pm ]
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How do you manage to get booked after being substituted out?
Ask Sanchez.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Wed Oct 02, 2019 8:48 pm ]
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There are artivles about the reduction of goals from Messi (and Ronaldo) and it appears to be lazy journalism. Its obvious his role 8s largepy playmaker/provider/quarterback. He creates so many goals around him. Also it saves his legs from having to do less running if he had led the line.

Author:  HoddGooner [ Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:13 pm ]
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socrates wrote:
Hodd,

I notice you are on-line.

I am wondering why Martinelli does not feature in the U23 games. If he isn't getting regular game time in the PL wouldn't it seem sensible to help him continue to acclimatise to english football and maintain his match sharpness in the the u23s?

Soc
As promised I spoke to someone closer to this one than me, and the answer was that Martinelli has been unbelievable in training and has no respect for reputations; he is very physical and punishes any slackness from others. Emery likes this and sees value for the team in him training with the senior group, rather than playing him in the 23’s.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Wed Oct 02, 2019 9:43 pm ]
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That personality is apparent on the pitch. He plays beyond his years. Tough kid.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:25 pm ]
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worst transfers in EPL history. Oh, the memories. Arsenal has a couple on there. Can you guess without looking. Frankly, I think we should have had 4 or 5 on there.

https://www.stadiumtalk.com/s/worst-tra ... X0nqfgPLHQ

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:18 am ]
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I can't stand him as a person but Suarez has moments of brilliance that is mind boggling.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 3:14 am ]
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Don’t know if people have seen Salzburg’s first goal but the worlds greatest CB absolutely taken apart. Maybe should look at the player who did it to see if he would be a good investment.

Author:  Rich [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:17 am ]
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On top of losing Gnabry we also have Reine-Adelaide just signing for Lyon for €25m and Donyell Malen rearing things up for PSV and being touted as a £50m player.

It is too easy, and wrong, to say Arsenal could have got that money for those players. These guys dropped down a level, played regularly and then moved back up for big money.......but the absolutely dreadful thing for Arsenal is not having some kind of buy-back or sell-on clause. Even if we had 25% then you’d be making some decent money from these kids when they get their big move.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 8:31 am ]
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Rich wrote:
On top of losing Gnabry we also have Reine-Adelaide just signing for Lyon for €25m and Donyell Malen rearing things up for PSV and being touted as a £50m player.

It is too easy, and wrong, to say Arsenal could have got that money for those players. These guys dropped down a level, played regularly and then moved back up for big money.......but the absolutely dreadful thing for Arsenal is not having some kind of buy-back or sell-on clause. Even if we had 25% then you’d be making some decent money from these kids when they get their big move.

One of the problems I thought was that Wenger did not promote many players from the youth scheme towards the end of his rein. iwobi but Holding wasn’t really a youth player. So any young player did not see a much of a chance of getting many apppearances so they were more than happy to move

There are things about Emery I don’t like but his giving youth a chance is one of his great strengths and hopefully some of our talented young players might see a way forward and so resist the urge to move. I hope so.

Author:  Hazuki [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:24 am ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
There are things about Emery I don’t like but his giving youth a chance is one of his great strengths and hopefully some of our talented young players might see a way forward and so resist the urge to move. I hope so.

It’s been one of the highlights of the season for me. To be honest, when I saw the team sheet against United I thought Emery wasn’t doing Saka any favours by chucking him in at the deep end like that, but Saka showed he’s more than ready for it. Looking forward to tonight’s game as if it was a real league game, even though it’s probably going to be a routine win against a small club. Will be really fun to see some of the young players have a go again.

Author:  socrates [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 10:14 am ]
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HoddGooner wrote:
socrates wrote:
Hodd,

I notice you are on-line.

I am wondering why Martinelli does not feature in the U23 games. If he isn't getting regular game time in the PL wouldn't it seem sensible to help him continue to acclimatise to english football and maintain his match sharpness in the the u23s?

Soc
As promised I spoke to someone closer to this one than me, and the answer was that Martinelli has been unbelievable in training and has no respect for reputations; he is very physical and punishes any slackness from others. Emery likes this and sees value for the team in him training with the senior group, rather than playing him in the 23’s.


Hi Hodd,

Thanks for making the enquiry, I appreciate the insight.

Sounds very promising. He's looked pretty tenacious in the games I've seen him play so far. He reminds me a little bit of Gianluca Vialli.

Not sure why he can't train with the seniors and still play the occasional u23 game just for a bit of match practice though.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 11:03 am ]
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Hazuki wrote:
Gaz from Oz wrote:
There are things about Emery I don’t like but his giving youth a chance is one of his great strengths and hopefully some of our talented young players might see a way forward and so resist the urge to move. I hope so.

It’s been one of the highlights of the season for me. To be honest, when I saw the team sheet against United I thought Emery wasn’t doing Saka any favours by chucking him in at the deep end like that, but Saka showed he’s more than ready for it. Looking forward to tonight’s game as if it was a real league game, even though it’s probably going to be a routine win against a small club. Will be really fun to see some of the young players have a go again.

I have to say he is ahead of Pépé in my assessment.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 12:56 pm ]
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I think Martinelli can play either role effectively.

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2019/10/03/a ... in-traini/
Arsenal boss Unai Emery comments on Gabriel Martinelli in training

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:20 pm ]
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I wonder why that guy at Dortmund went after Aubameyang? What prompted it. Especially so long after the transfer.

Author:  gooner7 [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:38 pm ]
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Going to wake up in the middle of the night to catch our young, brave, energetic and driven younger players. Looking forward to a more positive team.

Author:  DHD [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 4:03 pm ]
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HoddGooner wrote:
socrates wrote:
Hodd,

I notice you are on-line.

I am wondering why Martinelli does not feature in the U23 games. If he isn't getting regular game time in the PL wouldn't it seem sensible to help him continue to acclimatise to english football and maintain his match sharpness in the the u23s?

Soc
As promised I spoke to someone closer to this one than me, and the answer was that Martinelli has been unbelievable in training and has no respect for reputations; he is very physical and punishes any slackness from others. Emery likes this and sees value for the team in him training with the senior group, rather than playing him in the 23’s.


Another Anelka?

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 5:41 pm ]
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I am angry at myself for being optimistic for the match tonight. I am trying to temper my optimism. Because I know I am often disappointed when I am confident going into a game and this side can screw up anything.

In the end I want the 3 points, no injuries and players coming back from injury to play well.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:02 pm ]
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No Özil

Just seems ridiculous he’s not in the squad even if we want to sell him

Author:  Rich [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:07 pm ]
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Martinez, Bellerin, Tierney, Ceballos, Torreira, Maitland-Niles, Holding, Mustafi, Nelson, Willock, Martinelli

Looks like AMN at right wing. No Özil in the squad at all

Author:  bubblechris [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:11 pm ]
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That's a team I'm going to enjoy watching.......

Rich, any idea who are on the bench?

Author:  kevyg6 [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:16 pm ]
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bubblechris wrote:
That's a team I'm going to enjoy watching.......

Rich, any idea who are on the bench?

As per arseblog:

Subs: Leno, Chambers, Kolasinac, Xhaka, Guendouzi, Aubameyang, Pépé

Author:  bubblechris [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:17 pm ]
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found it:

Leno, Chambers, Kola, Guendouzi, Aubameyang, Pépé and the devil's spawn Xhaka.............

Author:  bubblechris [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:47 pm ]
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OGS's days are numbered.They couldn't beat Alkmar away......................

Author:  long time gooner [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:55 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
No Özil

Just seems ridiculous he’s not in the squad even if we want to sell him

Probably ‘resting’ him again. :42laughter:

Author:  gooner7 [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:59 pm ]
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Looking forward to another solid Martinez performance. Another clean sheet please.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:07 pm ]
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I really like the way Tierney is always looking for a player in the box and trys a cross if he’s in a wide position. Arsene would hate him

Author:  long time gooner [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:13 pm ]
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What a cracking goal!!!

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:14 pm ]
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Right on cue stunning cross Tierney

Author:  gooner7 [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:14 pm ]
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Martinelli!

Tierney assist.

Author:  bubblechris [ Thu Oct 03, 2019 7:14 pm ]
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You beaut................

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