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Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:15 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:

Incorrect, 100s of people were dying in Italy each day with social distancing measures in place.

Then we started telling everyone we were going about things as normal!

Perhaps they were taking the view (at that time) that social distancing had no impact then?


That wasn’t the case. We were Mostly alone in our policy of not acknowledging social distancing was needed then changed tac after foreign national newspapers printed headlines like “BRITAIN CHOOSES DEATH”

Author:  long time gooner [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:18 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
Perhaps they were taking the view (at that time) that social distancing had no impact then?


That wasn’t the case. We were Mostly alone in our policy of not acknowledging social distancing was needed then changed tac after foreign national newspapers printed headlines like “BRITAIN CHOOSES DEATH”

It wasn’t obvious back then what was the right course, and it still isn’t.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:22 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:

That wasn’t the case. We were Mostly alone in our policy of not acknowledging social distancing was needed then changed tac after foreign national newspapers printed headlines like “BRITAIN CHOOSES DEATH”

It wasn’t obvious back then what was the right course, and it still isn’t.


It was obvious then and is now. We were totally unprepared and needed to buy time...... wether it should be maintained indefinitely is probably unrealistic and the other real question that will need to be ask is when it is stopped

Author:  Decaf [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:50 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:

Incorrect, 100s of people were dying in Italy each day with social distancing measures in place.

Then we started telling everyone we were going about things as normal!

Perhaps they were taking the view (at that time) that social distancing had no impact then.

They were going directly contrary to WHO guidelines, informed by the best evidence available at the time. If you do that and it backfires you should be held responsible. The fact that the likes of Trump and Johnson probably won't be is a sad reflection of the state of democracy.

PS. Congrats on the new grandchild :26encouragement:

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:57 pm ]
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This is not going to end well if/when the virus starts going to red states en masse. The rural areas have been spared so far, with NYC taking the brunt of the impact health wise, but Louisiana and now Florida are seeing a rise. The red state governors have been slowest to react so far. The government (by that I mean the long time bureaucrats) fears these Trump voters. These are the ones that have done the mass shootings/killings almost entirely.
There are instances of supremacist groups seeing this as an opportunity to use the virus as a weapon or use the cover of the crisis to carry out plots while law enforcement nationally are overworked
http://www.homelandsecuritynewswire.com ... i-hospital
https://www.colorlines.com/articles/whi ... oterrorism
https://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/20 ... d-race-war

...and how do you confront it when the leader of the country sees them as part of his base?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/march- ... s-pandemic
March blows past record for gun background checks amid coronavirus pandemic


Despite who is running the FBI the bureaucracy is made up of people who have worked during multiple administrations and know the threats.

Author:  Gunfire [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:57 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Gunfire wrote:

It's not killing children. Only a handful have died of this. A doctor in Italy told me no one under 18 has died there without an underlying condition. Also he said smoking is a huge factor as is obesity which is not getting a mention.



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52114476


1 and we don't know yet if he had a condition undiagnosed. Highly unusual.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:09 pm ]
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Gunfire wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:


1 and we don't know yet if he had a condition undiagnosed. Highly unusual.

I didn’t saying it was killing all kids but some.

There are others by the way and 19 year old and more

Author:  DHD [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:22 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
DHD wrote:
Watch the daily Press Conference if you can at 5:00. Yesterday, there was a pretty obvious strategy on the part of the 5 Journos selected who all asked the same two questions: where’s the testing you promised and where’s the PPE kit you promised? Because they aren’t allowed a follow-up and can’t comment on the previous response, it’s pretty easy for the Government’s pigs-bladder-on-a-stick spokesperson to deflect, obfuscate and ignore what’s being asked. I’m not sure how much longer the public (and in particular the Journos) will accept such obvious manipulation of the facts.

I do get puzzled when at best NHS staff are shown wearing surgical masks. The expert view is that these stop the wearer from infecting others but do virtually nothing to protect the wearer.

To be ‘safe’ one needs a N95 respirator.


Fair play - today's performance by Matt Hancock seemed to carry a good deal more empathy, conviction and information. 7 out of 10.

We'll see.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:50 pm ]
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I wonder (and hope) in a larger sense that the threat of climate change, among other global concerns, gets taken more seriously. Especially in the states, where we are the biggest holdouts.

I hope things that scientists, and others have been warning about global effects are being seriously considered and acted upon.

I would hope. Not overly confident but I do have some faith in the younger generation, especially young Americans, but also globally, who have now grown up with 2 wars, 911, a great recession, ignored climate change, a pandemic and possibly a global depression and say 'enough is enough' and take it upon themselves to change things. It's obvious "we" can't.

Author:  long time gooner [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:11 pm ]
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DHD wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
I do get puzzled when at best NHS staff are shown wearing surgical masks. The expert view is that these stop the wearer from infecting others but do virtually nothing to protect the wearer.

To be ‘safe’ one needs a N95 respirator.


Fair play - today's performance by Matt Hancock seemed to carry a good deal more empathy, conviction and information. 7 out of 10.

We'll see.

Yes. It’s the first one that I’ve watched all the way through.

Seemed more than reasonable to me. Completely unreal and unprecedented (in our lifetimes) challenge. Tough decisions. They said all the right words and the progress seems reasonable - a bit like Dunkirk as was suggested.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:17 pm ]
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DHD wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
I do get puzzled when at best NHS staff are shown wearing surgical masks. The expert view is that these stop the wearer from infecting others but do virtually nothing to protect the wearer.

To be ‘safe’ one needs a N95 respirator.


Fair play - today's performance by Matt Hancock seemed to carry a good deal more empathy, conviction and information. 7 out of 10.

We'll see.


To be honest I also think he’s been very good throughout. On any normal day he behaves like a complete weirdo but on this issue he seems concerned has displayed real empathy generally.

It’s the populist weirdos like Johnson and Cummings who I wouldn’t trust with a barge pole when they make decisions.

Author:  Dafatone [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:19 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
DHD wrote:

Fair play - today's performance by Matt Hancock seemed to carry a good deal more empathy, conviction and information. 7 out of 10.

We'll see.

Yes. It’s the first one that I’ve watched all the way through.

Seemed more than reasonable to me. Completely unreal and unprecedented (in our lifetimes) challenge. Tough decisions. They said all the right words and the progress seems reasonable - a bit like Dunkirk as was suggested.

I do wish people/journalists would stop with WW2 jargon like Dunkirk spirit, we've seen nothing like that spirit in the present crisis. The selfish attitude of a lot of the UK is absolutely disgraceful.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:39 pm ]
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Dafatone wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
Yes. It’s the first one that I’ve watched all the way through.

Seemed more than reasonable to me. Completely unreal and unprecedented (in our lifetimes) challenge. Tough decisions. They said all the right words and the progress seems reasonable - a bit like Dunkirk as was suggested.

I do wish people/journalists would stop with WW2 jargon like Dunkirk spirit, we've seen nothing like that spirit in the present crisis. The selfish attitude of a lot of the UK is absolutely disgraceful.


The horse bolted from the stable with Brexit I’m afraid mate.

People were told to behave selfishly and screw everyone else.

Now you have Bubblechris moaning because Germany are keeping most of the surgical masks they manufacture rather than send them to us as we have no manufacturing anymore, if it was on the other foot and we had sent masks to Germany he would be up in arms about it.

I bet you would find that 9 out of 10 of all the people hoarding from the supermarkets are rabid Brexit supporters.

Author:  Bernard [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:02 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
I bet you would find that 9 out of 10 of all the people hoarding from the supermarkets are rabid Brexit supporters.

I try to avoid political posts but that would surprise me. I know various people who voted leave and remain, and there’s no perceivable difference in them as to whether they panic bought. I know people who voted leave and did, just as I know people who voted stay and did. Just as I know different people who didn’t stockpile and voted leave and stay.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:14 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
I bet you would find that 9 out of 10 of all the people hoarding from the supermarkets are rabid Brexit supporters.

I try to avoid political posts but that would surprise me. I know various people who voted leave and remain, and there’s no perceivable difference in them as to whether they panic bought. I know people who voted leave and did, just as I know people who voted stay and did.


The vote to leave was all about isolation and removal from a community. Of course leavers are more likely to panic buy and I’m alright jack

Author:  Bernard [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:19 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
The vote to leave was all about isolation and removal from a community. Of course leavers are more likely to panic buy and I’m alright jack

On the evidence of the people I know from both sides of the Brexit argument there’s not a blind bit of difference in their panic buying or not.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:32 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
The vote to leave was all about isolation and removal from a community. Of course leavers are more likely to panic buy and I’m alright jack

On the evidence of the people I know from both sides of the Brexit argument there’s not a blind bit of difference in their panic buying or not.

People who don’t understand the value in togetherness and community are more likely to act on their own personal interests. That’s concept at is at the heart of leave therefore they are more likely to act in self interest.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:34 pm ]
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Having a bit of nostalgia of some great results. The Ramsey goal is insane.


Author:  long time gooner [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:07 pm ]
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Dafatone wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
Yes. It’s the first one that I’ve watched all the way through.

Seemed more than reasonable to me. Completely unreal and unprecedented (in our lifetimes) challenge. Tough decisions. They said all the right words and the progress seems reasonable - a bit like Dunkirk as was suggested.

I do wish people/journalists would stop with WW2 jargon like Dunkirk spirit, we've seen nothing like that spirit in the present crisis. The selfish attitude of a lot of the UK is absolutely disgraceful.

The Dunkirk analogy seemed appropriate. It related to all the businesses who are now turning their hands to something else, like making masks, ventilators, testing kits, nurses scrubs etc. Just like the armada of odds and sods boats that were involved way back.

Nothing to do with the hoarders or profiteers or con artists who abound and leave a sour taste.

Author:  Lincoln gooner [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:13 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
I bet you would find that 9 out of 10 of all the people hoarding from the supermarkets are rabid Brexit supporters.

I try to avoid political posts but that would surprise me. I know various people who voted leave and remain, and there’s no perceivable difference in them as to whether they panic bought. I know people who voted leave and did, just as I know people who voted stay and did. Just as I know different people who didn’t stockpile and voted leave and stay.

Agreed Bernard. The assertion, TG, that panic buyers are 90% Brexiteers is frankly ridiculous, and not backed up by a shred of evidence.

Author:  Dafatone [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:55 pm ]
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I do not know who was hoarding all I know is that since the referendum this country has become a nasty self absorbed society that I never thought was possible. I always thought that the UK was a country that was tolerant and accepting, unfortunately I was wrong. It has become a country I no no longer recognise. I cannot believe how our country was manipulated to this shitshow.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:11 pm ]
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I don't think Ceballos is a bad player. I think he would do well given a run of more matches. I just don't think he's committed to us.
So, I hope the Ceballos for Roca rumors are true. Clean slate and all.


Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:56 pm ]
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I can see the PFA argument but I am afraid they are totally wrong.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... s-18033087

The world will be a changed place in the future.

Author:  dec [ Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:17 pm ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
I can see the PFA argument but I am afraid they are totally wrong.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... s-18033087

The world will be a changed place in the future.

What Tottenham have done is simply grotesque. Take money from a government aid package while continuing to pay players more in a week than most of their staff would earn in 2 or 3 years. It's shameful.

Players for the top clubs in Italy and Spain have taken pay cuts. Rugby players, who earn a tiny fraction of what PL footballers are paid, have taken pay cuts.

The top brass at the PFA clearly have their noses in the trough too.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:39 am ]
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dec wrote:
Gaz from Oz wrote:
I can see the PFA argument but I am afraid they are totally wrong.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... s-18033087

The world will be a changed place in the future.

What Tottenham have done is simply grotesque. Take money from a government aid package while continuing to pay players more in a week than most of their staff would earn in 2 or 3 years. It's shameful.

Players for the top clubs in Italy and Spain have taken pay cuts. Rugby players, who earn a tiny fraction of what PL footballers are paid, have taken pay cuts.

The top brass at the PFA clearly have their noses in the trough too.

I agree. You would love to know what these people at the PFA earn themselves. The money in football is obscene at the high level and all of them have totally lost perspective of what is fair and reasonable payments for players, administrators and CEO's.

Author:  grantyboy [ Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:46 am ]
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When do Arsenal players announce their salary reduction for the cause? Class club n all.

Author:  bubblechris [ Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:25 am ]
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TG your ignorance and stupidity especially your politics knows no bounds.

I don't suyppose you watch Sky News but fyi this morning they showed a report from Sweden where ebrything seems to be running according to plan. Also it seems the death rate graphs appear to be the same everywhere and whether one started to self isolate last weel last month or not yet the same number of people appear to be dying.

Watch the news, listen to the radio and don't be such an ass.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:42 am ]
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Trump spent 8 years nitpicking and trolling Obama (for some reason I feel strangely connected to Obama..lol :42laughter: ). There is literally a meme for every hypocritical act of Trump from that time. No kidding. Literally every single act.

Attachments:


Author:  bubblechris [ Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:52 am ]
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DFO your negativity is astounding for an intelligent person. First off of course there are some idiots out there making things bad for all of us but the majority of people are pulling together and trying to help each other not slagging each other off.

Bringing up politics is stupid, crazy and meaningless at a time when we should all be backing the Government whoever they are. We are at war with nature we must pull together listen to alternative views and back the Government whether we like them or not. Anything else will lead to the anarchy you appear to be moaning about.

Author:  Dafatone [ Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:29 am ]
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bubblechris wrote:
DFO your negativity is astoun ding for an intelligent person. First off of course there are some idiots out there making things bad for all of us but the majority of people are pulling together and trying to help each other not slaging each other off.

Bringing up politics is stupid, crazy and meaningless at a time when we should all be backing the Government whoever they are. We are at war with nature we must pull together listen to alternastive views and back the Government whether we like them or not. Anything else will lead to the anaarchy you appear to be moaning about.


We have had, what is it now eleven years, of this government who have devastated the NHS and now you want me to get behind them. They couldn't even plan for this pandemic even though they'd performed operation Cygnus. They are the ones who cheered when they won the vote to deny the nurses and firefighters a pay rise. I watch people go out and applaud the NHS workers and think you voted for these a/holes who are not providing them with the proper equipment. You are having a laugh mate if you think I'm going to support this bumbling buffoon in number 10.

Author:  john1 [ Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:36 am ]
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Dafatone wrote:
bubblechris wrote:
DFO your negativity is astoun ding for an intelligent person. First off of course there are some idiots out there making things bad for all of us but the majority of people are pulling together and trying to help each other not slaging each other off.

Bringing up politics is stupid, crazy and meaningless at a time when we should all be backing the Government whoever they are. We are at war with nature we must pull together listen to alternastive views and back the Government whether we like them or not. Anything else will lead to the anaarchy you appear to be moaning about.


We have had, what is it now eleven years, of this government who have devastated the NHS and now you want me to get behind them. They couldn't even plan for this pandemic even though they'd performed operation Cygnus. They are the ones who cheered when they won the vote to deny the nurses and firefighters a pay rise. I watch people go out and applaud the NHS workers and think you voted for these a/holes who are not providing them with the proper equipment. You are having a laugh mate if you think I'm going to support this bumbling buffoon in number 10.


100% Dafatone.

And for Chris to be arguing for unity after all his posts is somewhat pot, kettle etc.

(I would bet £1000 that if somehow Corbyn had won the last election, Chris would be on here moaning like buggery about their incompetence in dealing with the situation.)

It is absolutely right this government is held to account, as all governments should be, especially if they are being as economical with the truth as this current govt has been, and particularly as they have shown themselves to be the absolute hypocrites this modern brand of Tory specialises in being.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:44 am ]
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bubblechris wrote:
TG your ignorance and stupidity especially your politics knows no bounds.

I don't suyppose you watch Sky News but fyi this morning they showed a report from Sweden where ebrything seems to be running according to plan. Also it seems the death rate graphs appear to be the same everywhere and whether one started to self isolate last weel last month or not yet the same number of people appear to be dying.

Watch the news, listen to the radio and don't be such an ass.


What the population of Sweden versus UK ?

What 10 million compared to 70 ? Surely they are in a better position to deal with it when only dealing with that number of heads. If this thing rips through the Uk and even more so US you could have a major human tragedy occurring.

Also are you just thick AS MINCE ! :laughing7:

Did you not read the post from Darren saying the swedes are sensible enough to observe social distancing mostly without militant enforcement.

Did you not read the post from Haz who lives there saying preventative measures are saving lives. Speak to him about it.



You just want to enforce your abhorrent view that people need to die so the economy isn’t affected. I’m alright jack again.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:45 am ]
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Some day Harvard and Oxford will have courses about how an Australian fascist co-opted almost half of all Americans. Now we are talking about actual lives lost due to disinformation and unwavering fealty to an autocrat.


Author:  Dafatone [ Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:01 am ]
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Also this is the government you want me to get behind. This was before the outbreak and after we voted to get rid of those pesky foreigners
State of the NHS
⛔ 43,000 nurse vacancies
⛔ 10,000 doctor vacancies
⛔ 17,000 beds cut
⛔ Record waiting lists
⛔ Student nurse bursary abolished
⛔ Privatisation & outsourcing

Author:  Hazuki [ Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:06 am ]
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I watch the daily press briefings to stay informed, and I've noticed a rather unhealthy obsession with the way Sweden does things. Journalists from Germany and the UK are there asking questions, sometimes in a rather snarky tone, and it's always aimed at our state epidemiologist, basically asking him why he thinks he know better than anyone else. Which of course he doesn't, and he points that out every time; they're making the decisions they think will work for Sweden. There is no magic solution to this that works for all countries in all circumstances, because all societies are different.

It's become this weird thing where pundits are treating the spread of the virus as if it's the world cup, asking our coach why he plays 4-3-3 when everyone else prefers a 4-4-2.

The Swedish strategy has worked well so far because we generally have faith in our government. An example to illustrate this is vaccination; it's completely optional to vaccinate your kids here but we still have a 97-98% vaccination rate, because people trust the authorities and the science behind it. But I think at this point people are comparing countries too much, trying to figure out who's doing the best job but it's way too early and way too complicated to draw those kinds of conclusions.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:08 am ]
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Does anyone on here believe that all leagues will be able to recommence by July. The emphasis on ALL.

https://www.firstpost.com/health/corona ... 23331.html

Yeah they are worried about probably having to repay TV money but to believe that in 3 months it will be all gone away is delusional. Even if some countries do have a significant drop by July (and that is debatable) others will not. Can you see Italy and Spain recommencing by then? Do they intend to finish the CL and Europa?

This could be the catalyst for the breakaway Champion leagues. They need to be careful.

I know I am naturally a pessimist, but a number of suggestions being made are strange. How could it be fair to play all games in the midlands, with or without crowds. If Aston Villa stayed up you would never know if they were advantaged and others disadvantaged by such a decision. The league is about playing home and away. Not some other BS.

Author:  bubblechris [ Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:53 am ]
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Would the ultra intelligencia tell us who they would rather have governing us if they are so unhappy witrh the current bunch?

Corbyn, Starmer, the Army, The Liberals, Scot Nats?

WTF could do the job better?

Author:  john1 [ Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:03 am ]
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bubblechris wrote:
Would the ultra intelligencia tell us who they would rather have governing us if they are so unhappy witrh the current bunch?

Corbyn, Starmer, the Army, The Liberals, Scot Nats?

WTF could do the job better?


Spectacularly missing the point in your rush to defend, yet again, this govt.

Read Dafatone's last post.

Author:  john1 [ Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:15 am ]
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john1 wrote:
bubblechris wrote:
Would the ultra intelligencia tell us who they would rather have governing us if they are so unhappy witrh the current bunch?

Corbyn, Starmer, the Army, The Liberals, Scot Nats?

WTF could do the job better?


Spectacularly missing the point in your rush to defend, yet again, this govt.

Read Dafatone's last post.


And whatever happened to you desire not to be slagging each other off? Is "ultra intelligencia" meant as a form of endearment in the above quote? Help me out Chris, 'cos I'm confused.

Author:  Dafatone [ Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:21 am ]
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bubblechris wrote:
Would the ultra intelligencia tell us who they would rather have governing us if they are so unhappy witrh the current bunch?

Corbyn, Starmer, the Army, The Liberals, Scot Nats?

WTF could do the job better?

It makes me smile when I see this type of defence of this government. Yes I think Corbyn would have done better re this pandemic but then I think most politicians would do a better job than Johnson. What you have to realise Chris is what this government so far has done re the benefits given to people to stay at home is socialist policy. It's gone against everything that the Tories have stood for since Thatcher. As for the Scots nats I'd take Nicola Sturgeon over any in the Tory Party anytime.

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