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Bernard wrote:

If the transfer fee with Lille has been agreed and the deal with Pépé is also agreed, why will the medical be in a few days? Has the club doctor joined Koscielny on strike, or is Pépé walking to London from France?

A point that I had also reflected on. Until I see it on the AFC site then I put it in the ‘maybe’ camp.

If true then that is some good negotiation.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... -transfer/

long time gooner wrote:

A point that I had also reflected on. Until I see it on the AFC site then I put it in the ‘maybe’ camp.

I think Pépé is on vacation following the ACON, probably why it takes an extra day or two. It's been reported as a done deal by Di marzio of Sky Italia who I think is usually very reliable so this seems very close.

Looks like there's a chance we'll see a new central defender coming in then.

Hazuki wrote:

Looks like there's a chance we'll see a new central defender coming in then.

A name I’ve seen is Rugani of Juventus, on loan.

David Ornstein just tweeted that Arsenal are negotiating with several clubs for Mustafi. Edu hav met with the club president of Saint Etienne about Koscielny.

Looks like there's a chance we'll see a new central defender coming in then.

Hazuki wrote:

I think he was suggesting combined fees of €38m for the pair. If Edu/Raul can pull that one off then they are geniuses. Getting rid of a player deemed not good enough and an ageing player who wants to leave for that money is brilliant

The signings since wenger left - hopefully we can get the last 2 done
Leno
Sokratis
Guendouzi
Lichtsteiner
Torreira
Suarez loan
Martinelli
Saliba
Cabellos loan
Pépé TBC
Tierney TBC

Age profile must be averaging early 20’s. Crucially for me, nearly all of those signings have made sense in that they tried to fill a gap or a weakness in the squad.
Not all transfers are going to work out, we need 75% or so to work. It is one of the biggest differences between Liverpool/spurs and us over the last 5 years

Bernard wrote:

A name I’ve seen is Rugani of Juventus, on loan.

Surely we shouldn't be wasting money on no doubt high wages for a Juventus defender when there's plenty of quality in the 'conference' waiting to be snapped up.

Rich wrote:

If they pull that off then a statue of both of them outside the Emirates is required immediately. :laughing7:

Of the signings that played last season the record as I see it is
Leno: success
Sokratis: success
Guendouzi: success
Lichtsteiner: failure
Torreira: success
Suarez loan: failure

So four successes and two failures out of six. That equates to a 66.66% success rate and a 33.33% failure rate. Not quite as good as your 75% success and 25% failure rates. But the two failures weren’t that important. What did anyone expect of Lichtsteiner? A footballing OAP who I thought was a free transfer. I don’t think he did much worse than anyone could have expected. I’ve seen worse right backs at Arsenal. Suarez was arguably more disappointing as I expected more from him and he was close to useless. But he was only a loan signing, so no big deal.

Arsenal have set a £10m price tag for Bielik, many will have wanted him to be given a chance in the first team but if that can’t happen then £10m is a good fee and if we get it it is another sign of change in how we are doing our business.

Not sure why such a fuss is being made about Arsenal transfers being paid for in installments. Almost all big transfer deals are paid for in installments, with an upfront payment followed by a series of further payments at regular intervals over a period of time, usually years.

Occasionally you get a deal paid for in one lump sum, usually where the selling club is insistent that that is the only way the player will be sold. For the most part, though, large transfer fees are paid for in stages over a period of time.

socrates wrote:

Yep - and you usually hear very specifically about those deals where the whole fee is paid up front. I seem to remember Real Madrid buying Ronaldo was a case where Madrid had to stump up £80m odd in cash to Man U.

Isn't the term Amortisation, I'm sure I've seen it explained really well by various blogs, but is essentially spreading the cost of the deal over the length of a contract, including wages. It is often used in examples to show fans how a high transfer fee with modest wages on a long contract can cost a club less that a low fee, high wages on a short contract. Fans tend to forget the wages and length of contract when bragging about 'cost' of players

https://twitter.com/afcstuff/status/1156313860799942656

Leaked clip of Pépé in an Arsenal shirt. Think we can file this one as done.

Ever so slightly mind blowing considering where we were 6 weeks ago.

Hodd,

Have you heard any anything about Gab Martinelli? Is he the real deal or just a promising kid at this point?

Author:	Rich [ Mon Jul 29, 2019 10:12 pm ]
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Pépé was second only to Zaha in all players in Europe’s top 5 leagues for attempted dribbles. It is clear what arsenal are targeting. They’re right to as well, we lost someone who can transition the team forward. Far too many players were not mobile or athletic enough and we became too reliant on the front two doing something

Author:	warrior [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 4:43 am ]
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Unai Emery Gives Nicolas Pépé Verdict and Admits Arsenal are 'Working on' 3 More Signings https://www.90min.com/posts/6421784-una ... e-signings Does 3 more signings mean Özil, Xhaka and Mustafi are giving away autographs ?

Author:	Hazuki [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:09 am ]
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long time gooner wrote: Bernard wrote: If the transfer fee with Lille has been agreed and the deal with Pépé is also agreed, why will the medical be in a few days? Has the club doctor joined Koscielny on strike, or is Pépé walking to London from France? A point that I had also reflected on. Until I see it on the AFC site then I put it in the ‘maybe’ camp. I think Pépé is on vacation following the ACON, probably why it takes an extra day or two. It's been reported as a done deal by Di marzio of Sky Italia who I think is usually very reliable so this seems very close.

Author:	Rich [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:30 am ]
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I’ve read a few reports that historically Arsenal refuses to deal with certain agents, the big name agents the likes of Medes, Raiola etc. With Raul in charge and his method of conducting transfers via contacts rather than being too reliant on the stats based approach has lead us to now working with these agents, and have gone some way to getting the Pépé deal done.

Author:	Rich [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 8:44 am ]
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The signings since wenger left - hopefully we can get the last 2 done Leno Sokratis Guendouzi Lichtsteiner Torreira Suarez loan Martinelli Saliba Cabellos loan Pépé TBC Tierney TBC Age profile must be averaging early 20’s. Crucially for me, nearly all of those signings have made sense in that they tried to fill a gap or a weakness in the squad. Not all transfers are going to work out, we need 75% or so to work. It is one of the biggest differences between Liverpool/spurs and us over the last 5 years

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Author:	grantyboy [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:11 am ]
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If true then that is some good negotiation. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... -transfer/

Author:	Hazuki [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:17 am ]
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grantyboy wrote: If true then that is some good negotiation. https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football ... -transfer/ I find it a bit odd that so many are reporting that we're paying Lille in installments as if it's unusual. I'd assume that’s how it’s always done, I doubt Liverpool just made a one time transfer of £70m to Southampton for Van Dijk. Seems to me a lot of journalists who reported we could only spend £45m are trying to cover their asses now by claiming they meant £45m for the first year only and that the Pépé transfer just counts as £20m. Not seen budgets talked about like that for any club that I can think of. In any case, a very exciting signing. Think it creates a positive feeling around the club going into the new season, which is something that shouldn't be underestimated.

Author:	Bernard [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:31 am ]
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Hazuki wrote: long time gooner wrote: A point that I had also reflected on. Until I see it on the AFC site then I put it in the ‘maybe’ camp. I think Pépé is on vacation following the ACON, probably why it takes an extra day or two. It's been reported as a done deal by Di marzio of Sky Italia who I think is usually very reliable so this seems very close. I’ve been told that Ornstein has said Pépé’s medical is today. Not seen his tweet (or whatever it is) myself as I don’t follow him, but it’s what I’ve been told.

Author:	Hazuki [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:31 am ]
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David Ornstein just tweeted that Arsenal are negotiating with several clubs for Mustafi. Edu hav met with the club president of Saint Etienne about Koscielny. Looks like there's a chance we'll see a new central defender coming in then.

Author:	Bernard [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 9:34 am ]
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Hazuki wrote: Looks like there's a chance we'll see a new central defender coming in then. A name I’ve seen is Rugani of Juventus, on loan.

Author:	Lincoln gooner [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:01 am ]
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Bernard wrote: Hazuki wrote: Looks like there's a chance we'll see a new central defender coming in then. A name I’ve seen is Rugani of Juventus, on loan. Surely we shouldn't be wasting money on no doubt high wages for a Juventus defender when there's plenty of quality in the 'conference' waiting to be snapped up.

Author:	Rich [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:15 am ]
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Hazuki wrote: David Ornstein just tweeted that Arsenal are negotiating with several clubs for Mustafi. Edu hav met with the club president of Saint Etienne about Koscielny. Looks like there's a chance we'll see a new central defender coming in then. I think he was suggesting combined fees of €38m for the pair. If Edu/Raul can pull that one off then they are geniuses. Getting rid of a player deemed not good enough and an ageing player who wants to leave for that money is brilliant

Author:	socrates [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:22 am ]
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Rich wrote: Hazuki wrote: David Ornstein just tweeted that Arsenal are negotiating with several clubs for Mustafi. Edu hav met with the club president of Saint Etienne about Koscielny. Looks like there's a chance we'll see a new central defender coming in then. I think he was suggesting combined fees of €38m for the pair. If Edu/Raul can pull that one off then they are geniuses. Getting rid of a player deemed not good enough and an ageing player who wants to leave for that money is brilliant If they pull that off then a statue of both of them outside the Emirates is required immediately.

Author:	Bernard [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:28 am ]
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Rich wrote: The signings since wenger left - hopefully we can get the last 2 done Leno Sokratis Guendouzi Lichtsteiner Torreira Suarez loan Martinelli Saliba Cabellos loan Pépé TBC Tierney TBC Age profile must be averaging early 20’s. Crucially for me, nearly all of those signings have made sense in that they tried to fill a gap or a weakness in the squad. Not all transfers are going to work out, we need 75% or so to work. It is one of the biggest differences between Liverpool/spurs and us over the last 5 years Of the signings that played last season the record as I see it is Leno: success Sokratis: success Guendouzi: success Lichtsteiner: failure Torreira: success Suarez loan: failure So four successes and two failures out of six. That equates to a 66.66% success rate and a 33.33% failure rate. Not quite as good as your 75% success and 25% failure rates. But the two failures weren’t that important. What did anyone expect of Lichtsteiner? A footballing OAP who I thought was a free transfer. I don’t think he did much worse than anyone could have expected. I’ve seen worse right backs at Arsenal. Suarez was arguably more disappointing as I expected more from him and he was close to useless. But he was only a loan signing, so no big deal.

Author:	Rich [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:54 pm ]
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The absolute madness of the English transfer system. This hasn’t happened yet but the talk is of this drip down transfer chain Man U buy Maguire from Leicester for £80m Leicester buy Dunk from Brighton for £45m Brighton buy Adam Webster from Bristol City for £25m

Author:	Bernard [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:39 am ]
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bromley gooner wrote: Bernard wrote: A name I’ve seen is Rugani of Juventus, on loan. Surely we shouldn't be wasting money on no doubt high wages for a Juventus defender when there's plenty of quality in the 'conference' waiting to be snapped up.

Author:	Hazuki [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:42 am ]
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Not sure why, but I mentioned the wrong French club in regards to Koscielny. It's Rennes we've been talking to according to Ornstein. Haven't seen much of Rugani, but Juventus seems like a sensible club to get a defender from. The fact that he hasn't been able to cement a place there doesn't necessarily reflect that poorly on him considering who he's competing with. At 6ft 3 he's built for the Premier League at least.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:08 pm ]
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Photos on the sun website of Pépé at colney with arsenal bags. Whatever you say about the hierarchy and ownership that’s an impressive signing. Neymar aside he’s the most wanted winger in world football and not many clubs wouldn’t have took him. He represents far better value than Zaha and will retain a high value of we sell him on. Kevin Witcher always said recently we are a big club behaving like a small one well this is finally thinking big for once

Author:	TOP GUN [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:15 pm ]
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The relationship between Raul Sanelhi and Jorge Mendes was apparently key to signing Pépé. Monaco are now apparently interested in Mustafi and Jorge Mendes has strong ties to that club. They may be using him as a broker. It sounds like Arsenal are being for more savvy when it comes to the super agents and are now seeing their value as opposed to questioning their morality.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:21 pm ]
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socrates wrote: Rich wrote: I think he was suggesting combined fees of €38m for the pair. If Edu/Raul can pull that one off then they are geniuses. Getting rid of a player deemed not good enough and an ageing player who wants to leave for that money is brilliant If they pull that off then a statue of both of them outside the Emirates is required immediately. Oscar winning performances required from Edu and Raul when they have to pretend to Monaco that we don’t want to sell Mustafi as he’s important to us unless we get a big fee.

Author:	Hazuki [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 1:24 pm ]
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Considering the fact that Raul Sanllehi took over from Gazidis in September 2018, and Edu just arrived a couple of weeks ago, this is the first transfer window of our new regime. Have to say they're playing a blinder so far. If the defensive restructuring happens with Mustafi and Koscielny leaving and Tierney arriving along with a new central defender, I struggle to think of a better transfer summer during my time supporting Arsenal.

Author:	Rich [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:48 pm ]
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Bernard wrote: Of the signings that played last season the record as I see it is Leno: success Sokratis: success Guendouzi: success Lichtsteiner: failure Torreira: success Suarez loan: failure So four successes and two failures out of six. That equates to a 66.66% success rate and a 33.33% failure rate. Not quite as good as your 75% success and 25% failure rates. But the two failures weren’t that important. What did anyone expect of Lichtsteiner? A footballing OAP who I thought was a free transfer. I don’t think he did much worse than anyone could have expected. I’ve seen worse right backs at Arsenal. Suarez was arguably more disappointing as I expected more from him and he was close to useless. But he was only a loan signing, so no big deal. Pretty much agree with all of this. As you pointed out we’d view the last transfer window much more dimly if our 2 of 6 failures were Leno and Sokratis rather than the two least important from the group. If we look at the business so far and upcoming we need Pépé, Tierney and Saliba to be successes due to the fees. Their ages means they have time on their side to do that though

Author:	Rich [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:33 pm ]
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Arsenal have set a £10m price tag for Bielik, many will have wanted him to be given a chance in the first team but if that can’t happen then £10m is a good fee and if we get it it is another sign of change in how we are doing our business.

Author:	Ash [ Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:48 pm ]
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Rich wrote: Arsenal have set a £10m price tag for Bielik, many will have wanted him to be given a chance in the first team but if that can’t happen then £10m is a good fee and if we get it it is another sign of change in how we are doing our business. I’d agree apart from I think £10M is ok not good. But perhaps (definitely) that’s semantics. You could see him going for more though considering the fees for the likes of Jordan Ibe and others of haven’t kicked a ball yet fame. I’m one of those who think its a shame he’s not getting his chance. Holding won’t be ready for a fair while and as we’ve said we’ve really only got 1 decent CB in sokratis who can start against Newcastle. He’s got two years on his contract, I think he is probably not signing a new contract given how much he’s said he wants to play, so he’s made Arsenal’s decision for them.

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:53 am ]
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The fees Rich quoted are insane.

Author:	gooner7 [ Wed Jul 31, 2019 3:46 am ]
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One of the most positive transfer windows for a long long time

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:04 am ]
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If Pépé and Teirney both end up coming its a pretty good bit of business (along with the loan deals, etc).

Author:	socrates [ Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:15 am ]
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Not sure why such a fuss is being made about Arsenal transfers being paid for in installments. Almost all big transfer deals are paid for in installments, with an upfront payment followed by a series of further payments at regular intervals over a period of time, usually years. Occasionally you get a deal paid for in one lump sum, usually where the selling club is insistent that that is the only way the player will be sold. For the most part, though, large transfer fees are paid for in stages over a period of time.

Author:	Rich [ Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:37 am ]
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socrates wrote: Not sure why such a fuss is being made about Arsenal transfers being paid for in installments. Almost all big transfer deals are paid for in installments, with an upfront payment followed by a series of further payments at regular intervals over a period of time, usually years. Occasionally you get a deal paid for in one lump sum, usually where the selling club is insistent that that is the only way the player will be sold. For the most part, though, large transfer fees are paid for in stages over a period of time. Yep - and you usually hear very specifically about those deals where the whole fee is paid up front. I seem to remember Real Madrid buying Ronaldo was a case where Madrid had to stump up £80m odd in cash to Man U. Isn't the term Amortisation, I'm sure I've seen it explained really well by various blogs, but is essentially spreading the cost of the deal over the length of a contract, including wages. It is often used in examples to show fans how a high transfer fee with modest wages on a long contract can cost a club less that a low fee, high wages on a short contract. Fans tend to forget the wages and length of contract when bragging about 'cost' of players

Author:	socrates [ Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:41 am ]
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Hodd, Have you heard any anything about Gab Martinelli? Is he the real deal or just a promising kid at this point?

Author:	socrates [ Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:46 am ]
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Rich wrote: socrates wrote: Not sure why such a fuss is being made about Arsenal transfers being paid for in installments. Almost all big transfer deals are paid for in installments, with an upfront payment followed by a series of further payments at regular intervals over a period of time, usually years. Occasionally you get a deal paid for in one lump sum, usually where the selling club is insistent that that is the only way the player will be sold. For the most part, though, large transfer fees are paid for in stages over a period of time. Yep - and you usually hear very specifically about those deals where the whole fee is paid up front. I seem to remember Real Madrid buying Ronaldo was a case where Madrid had to stump up £80m odd in cash to Man U. Isn't the term Amortisation, I'm sure I've seen it explained really well by various blogs, but is essentially spreading the cost of the deal over the length of a contract, including wages. It is often used in examples to show fans how a high transfer fee with modest wages on a long contract can cost a club less that a low fee, high wages on a short contract. Fans tend to forget the wages and length of contract when bragging about 'cost' of players Hi Rich, I may be wrong on this but I think there are also instances where it benefits the selling club to be paid at regular intervals over a period of time rather than in one big lump. Maybe a it's a tax thing or maybe it makes their financial results look less lumpy and more consistent.

Author:	Hazuki [ Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:55 am ]
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https://twitter.com/afcstuff/status/1156313860799942656 Leaked clip of Pépé in an Arsenal shirt. Think we can file this one as done.

Author:	Ash [ Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:10 am ]
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Hazuki wrote: https://twitter.com/afcstuff/status/1156313860799942656 Leaked clip of Pépé in an Arsenal shirt. Think we can file this one as done. Ever so slightly mind blowing considering where we were 6 weeks ago.

Author:	Hazuki [ Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:20 am ]
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Ash wrote: Ever so slightly mind blowing considering where we were 6 weeks ago. Yes, something has definitely changed this summer.

Author:	HoddGooner [ Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:49 am ]
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socrates wrote: Hodd, Have you heard any anything about Gab Martinelli? Is he the real deal or just a promising kid at this point? I haven't spoken to anyone about him in the last couple of weeks TBH - people were either away with the squad or on holiday. Based on what I've seen (which is the same as everyone else) it looks like he could be another Guendouzi, i.e. brought in as "one for the future", but kicking on sooner than anticipated.