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Author:  Lincoln gooner [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:15 pm ]
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You wonder - they can fight and scrap so effectively at the start of the second half, what the hell were they playing at in the first half?

Edit - another Xhaka foul, still no yellow. Perhaps he's got some compromising photos of the ref.

Author:  Rich [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:19 pm ]
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How is that not a pen for Lacazette?

Author:  long time gooner [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:20 pm ]
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Ah. Good to see that Martinelli is fit again.

Author:  Rich [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:22 pm ]
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Comms going mad that Xhaka hasn’t got a yellow, 4 fouls, and amazed that Klich got the first yellow card.....klich 5 fouls.
I’m not saying Xhaka doesn’t deserve one - he does - but it shows how I think commentators can have their narrative in their head and ignore the facts.

Author:  Lincoln gooner [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:24 pm ]
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Holding gives it away again, Kolasinac gets a yellow as a result and we concede a dangerous free kick.

Author:  long time gooner [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:25 pm ]
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bromley gooner wrote:
Holding gives it away again, Kolasinac gets a yellow as a result and we concede a dangerous free kick.

Frustrating isn’t it? Far too many sloppy bits.

Author:  Lincoln gooner [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:28 pm ]
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Lacazette can count himself a bit lucky not to have been sent off there.

Author:  long time gooner [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:29 pm ]
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Phew. That was a relief. VAR review on Lacazette. Could have been viewed differently. And he’s playing so well this half.

Author:  Rich [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:30 pm ]
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bromley gooner wrote:
Lacazette can count himself a bit lucky not to have been sent off there.

Was just about to post this. Silly kick out after being frustrated at being held after the ball went.
Seen players get red for that.

Author:  long time gooner [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:30 pm ]
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Martinelli and Pépé starting to look quite dangerous.

Author:  Rich [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:32 pm ]
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Arsenal have missed two free headers from corners today as well. Luiz and Sokratis really should have scored.

But some great corner deliveries from Pépé. Good weapon to have after years of hitting the first man

Author:  long time gooner [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:35 pm ]
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How many more times is Holding going to make a sloppy failed pass?

Author:  Lincoln gooner [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:37 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
How many more times is Holding going to make a sloppy failed pass?

He's had a nightmare tonight.

Author:  kiwipete [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:37 pm ]
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Holding seems desperate to give them an equaliser .... unbelievable cr*p passing under zero pressure

Author:  Lincoln gooner [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:39 pm ]
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Love that fight from Sokratis :58big-emoticons:

Author:  long time gooner [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:41 pm ]
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bromley gooner wrote:
Love that fight from Sokratis :58big-emoticons:

:58big-emoticons:

Author:  long time gooner [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:44 pm ]
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Sokratis having a magic 5 minutes

Author:  Lincoln gooner [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:48 pm ]
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Lacazette deserves that man of the match- he's been tremendous in the second half.
Bad as the first half was, great to see a reaction like that since the break :53big-emoticons:

Author:  Rich [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:56 pm ]
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Enjoyed the fight and energy in the second half. Noticeably played much higher and more positive.
Another hurdle cleared for Arsenal.....but we were lucky today because a lot of teams would have been 2/3 up at half time.

Author:  socrates [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:57 pm ]
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Much better second half obviously.

Just goes to show the value of sheer effort and intensity.

Xhaka should have had 4 yellows at least :laughing7: He really has to go. Those cynical fouls and stupid tackles he makes are just so brainless.

Guendouzi seemed to increase his intensity ten fold at the flick of a switch but he needs to play like that all the time.

Definitely need a CB in Jan. Holding looks off the pace.

Nelson was lively, as was Martinelli.

Lacazette outstanding second half.

Make no mistake, though, Leeds could have been out of sight at half time.

Author:  Lincoln gooner [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:58 pm ]
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Greeny wrote:
He shouted a lot!

Quality

Well done Mikel

Early days, but I think we've got a worthy man for the job. Excellent.

Author:  Rich [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:00 pm ]
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Did Arsenal turn up and expect to win? I think it’s too easy to say we underestimated Leeds, I think they surprised us but I don’t think we disrespected them or underestimated them. I’m pretty sure Arteta didn’t set them out like that. I think it was a case of Arsenal having given a lot in the last 2 games and probably ‘hoping’ they could win it at 75% plus Leeds being very very good in that first half

Author:  TOP GUN [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:36 pm ]
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Holding was shocking and looked off the pace but *%^@ me the options he had in front of him making themselves available when he was trying to distribute it were sparse. Xhaka had his typical nightmare and I think Guendouzi might have got a bollocking at half time for his first half performance as his 2nd was way better.

Author:  Rich [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 10:45 pm ]
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Through to the 4th round, much better second half but I feel that Arteta won’t be smiling on the training pitch tomorrow. I think and hope he’ll still be really angry with the way we started the game. This is the level we need, it’s not good enough just winning if we didn’t follow instructions and we’re lucky not to be losing. The Man U game was the benchmark for 60 mins, improved fitness can take that to 90 mins. That match tonight was a long way short of the Man U game

Author:  TAFKAEiN [ Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:53 pm ]
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The dirties were very very good in the first half. Easy to see why they're going to come up. A well drilled team where everyone knows what everyone else is going to do. They flattened our midfield axis and played round it. Someone in the pub said it looked like a team with two years against a team with two weeks and that made sense to me.

Second half Gwen and Xhaka seemed to play at an angle rather than flat. Suddenly there was space everywhere and the game seemed completely different as we were getting the ball through the middle and around Özil. After the goal (so happy for Nelson and whilst I'd have been happy to bang in many more a winner in a 1-0 can only be good for a kid who is at that stage where talent must translate) they were broken. A bit of zest went out of their game and whilst 1-0 is always dodgy in a cup tie it never got to be a frightening 1-0.

But the reason I'm going to download the game to watch again is for Papa in the corner. You can put Papa in the corner, but if you put him there you can't have the bloody ball!

(feel free to delete Rog, not sure what the rules are) if you google total sportek arsenal there's a site with ways to do something you may want to do whilst a match is on.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:16 am ]
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long time gooner wrote:
Gaz from Oz wrote:
This is a rod he made for himself. Let’s see if he collapses as a manager after 4 games.

Holy moly. That’s a bit savage.

Look at this way. Arteta said if players don’t perform they are not going to be part of the plans for the future. If he is to be true to his word then he looks at Xhaka in the first half and sees no fight or endeavour. He must go. If he starts going well I eventually got him interested in the game- then that is not enough. For the last year we have been playing one half of football & everyone waiting for someone else to impose themselves on the game. That’s why we tumble down the table. It is just not Emery because under Wenger people would put up with Theo not turning up. It is part of the ongoing poor culture at the club.

Arteta set the standard he wants- they fell short. What is he going to do about it? Yep, harsh. But that’s what u get paid to do.

Or do you say. We give him 2 chances or 3. Every game they should come out to give 100%. The malaise at this club needs to end. I was hoping Arteta would be the person to correct it. The jury is out for me on this issue.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:34 am ]
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I was really surprised at how good Leeds were. Took a look at the Championship table and no surprise to see they are top of the table. They will slide easily into the PL. They should have scored at least 3 or 4 times in the first half. They will feel they deserved something out of the match. Whatever Mikel said to the squad at halftime worked. The one thing I am seeing with him is his half time adjustments. Be it the talk or tactics, we looked good in the 2nd half.

Holding had a bad game but I still hold out hope he will improve with games under his belt. When we get Tierney and Bellerin back along with a transfer or two at CB we will be stronger defensively. Hopefully we will get some transfers like the Juve defender or others of some quality.

The pundits in the game I was watching were clearly for Leeds. The referee seemed to be as well. Even so, Leeds is a great story if/when they make it back to the PL. Phoenix from the ashes. Took a couple decades but they did it by grit and starting over with literally nothing. They were hated before by most fans. Maybe they still are but you have to admire them in their present incarnation.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Tue Jan 07, 2020 2:17 am ]
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I think the top 4 is a bridge too far. Europa qualification is within our sites.

Author:  socrates [ Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:36 am ]
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Rich wrote:
All about Pépé. He’s so strong on the ball, always with the ball to feet and a half turn or spin, he hardly ever loses it.
He rolls his man and sets away Lacazette, back to Pépé scuffed to Nelson and scuffed in.
Tip: don’t get tight to Pépé


Morning Rich,

Pépé has amazingly quick feet, skill and balance. I'm not sure I'd agree that he hardly ever loses it, though, I think he loses it quite a lot but mainly because he is always trying a trick or dummy or just overelaborating a bit, sometimes in inappropriate areas.

He's the best dribbler in the team and I think is also the most dangerous player we have, apart from Aubameyang because of his goals. There is no doubt that Pépé has the potential to do big things but he feels a bit like an unpolished diamond at the moment. He needs some proper coaching to shape his game and iron out those rough edges. I reckon that, coupled with a few hours in the gym each week to build his core body strength, and we could have a monster on our hands.

He could explode like Henry did, although I don't know if he has the game intelligence and mentality that Henry had.

Author:  socrates [ Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:38 am ]
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Martinelli impressed again. He always seems to make things happen.

Author:  Bernard [ Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:51 am ]
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Leeds were great in the first half and made every Arsenal player look poor. Much, much better second half when every Arsenal player except Holding, who presumably is still some way from being adequately fit for first team football, improved greatly.

Guendouzi showed the drive that he started the season with and from a poor first 45 minutes made himself a candidate for our man of the match. I’ve no doubt Arteta must have been delighted with the second half.

Well done to Xhaka too for his second half performance. He did well in the second 45 minutes. I wouldn’t go as far as one of the people near me who considered him our man of the match but he did do very well in the second half.

Author:  Bernard [ Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:57 am ]
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socrates wrote:
Martinelli impressed again. He always seems to make things happen.

I didn’t actually think that was one of Martinelli’s better games. Good but not great.

Author:  kiwipete [ Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:05 am ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:

Arteta set the standard he wants- they fell short. What is he going to do about it? Yep, harsh. But that’s what u get paid to do.

Or do you say. We give him 2 chances or 3. Every game they should come out to give 100%. The malaise at this club needs to end. I was hoping Arteta would be the person to correct it. The jury is out for me on this issue.

Here we have folks ..... a classic example of the disastrous effect fluoride can have on the brain cells .

You've come up with all this and you didn't even watch the match :laughing7: :laughing7: .

A team allowed to wallow aimlessly under Wenger , Emery and Ljungberg ; everyone and their dog rabbiting on about the need for new players .

Arteta has turned that around ..... installed fight , passion ... amazing .

Raising the skill level , tinkering with personel , playing style will take longer

We were poor in the first half but that in some ways is to be expected .

Leeds would have far more "fire in their belly" ..... underdogs , away from home ... there is no way around that .

Little teams often perform heroics in the FA Cup that is part of the magic of the competition .

Given time ; a few $$$$ to spend I think Mikel will be become one of our best ever managers .

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Tue Jan 07, 2020 9:35 am ]
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kiwipete wrote:
Gaz from Oz wrote:

Arteta set the standard he wants- they fell short. What is he going to do about it? Yep, harsh. But that’s what u get paid to do.

Or do you say. We give him 2 chances or 3. Every game they should come out to give 100%. The malaise at this club needs to end. I was hoping Arteta would be the person to correct it. The jury is out for me on this issue.

Here we have folks ..... a classic example of the disastrous effect fluoride can have on the brain cells .

You've come up with all this and you didn't even watch the match :laughing7: :laughing7: .

A team allowed to wallow aimlessly under Wenger , Emery and Ljungberg ; everyone and their dog rabbiting on about the need for new players .

Arteta has turned that around ..... installed fight , passion ... amazing .

Raising the skill level , tinkering with personel , playing style will take longer

We were poor in the first half but that in some ways is to be expected .

Leeds would have far more "fire in their belly" ..... underdogs , away from home ... there is no way around that .

Little teams often perform heroics in the FA Cup that is part of the magic of the competition .

Given time ; a few $$$$ to spend I think Mikel will be become one of our best ever managers .

True I did not see the match but I did look at a number of sites like the guardian where they were doing a live blog and read them thru. Plus comments on a number of sites. First half figures of passing and also this site where Xhaka hardly came up smelling of roses. Did he play well first half, did the team turn up, have they only turned up for half a game for about 9 months - in other words slipping back to old ways. Yep they picked it up but we were at home and couldn't bother for half a game. The question remains will Arteta cop this and for how long. He did say he would not tolerate it -let us see if he is true to his word. Remember Emery tried and failed with Özil. Maybe he will turn it around. But simply they quickly slipped back to their old habits. Lets see the level of effort in the next game and then the next and next.

Author:  Gunfire [ Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:02 am ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
kiwipete wrote:
Here we have folks ..... a classic example of the disastrous effect fluoride can have on the brain cells .

You've come up with all this and you didn't even watch the match :laughing7: :laughing7: .

A team allowed to wallow aimlessly under Wenger , Emery and Ljungberg ; everyone and their dog rabbiting on about the need for new players .

Arteta has turned that around ..... installed fight , passion ... amazing .

Raising the skill level , tinkering with personel , playing style will take longer

We were poor in the first half but that in some ways is to be expected .

Leeds would have far more "fire in their belly" ..... underdogs , away from home ... there is no way around that .

Little teams often perform heroics in the FA Cup that is part of the magic of the competition .

Given time ; a few $$$$ to spend I think Mikel will be become one of our best ever managers .

True I did not see the match but I did look at a number of sites like the guardian where they were doing a live blog and read them thru. Plus comments on a number of sites. First half figures of passing and also this site where Xhaka hardly came up smelling of roses. Did he play well first half, did the team turn up, have they only turned up for half a game for about 9 months - in other words slipping back to old ways. Yep they picked it up but we were at home and couldn't bother for half a game. The question remains will Arteta cop this and for how long. He did say he would not tolerate it -let us see if he is true to his word. Remember Emery tried and failed with Özil. Maybe he will turn it around. But simply they quickly slipped back to their old habits. Lets see the level of effort in the next game and then the next and next.

They did and he roused them for the 2nd half. They were excellent 2nd half.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Tue Jan 07, 2020 10:20 am ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
Holy moly. That’s a bit savage.

We give him 2 chances or 3. Every game they should come out to give 100%. The malaise at this club needs to end. I was hoping Arteta would be the person to correct it. The jury is out for me on this issue.


Arteta needs to be given time and understanding to restructure the midfield and get 2 players in the centre who can play a pressing game but distribute the ball faster and more accurately. I think a younger cazorla would be really suited to the way Arteta wants us to play. As it stands we sold Aaron Ramsey and didn’t replace him. It’s hurt us so badly and we can longer control or dominate any midfield in the league.

Our midfield is still non existent, Guendouzi is too raw right now and Xhaka is well xhaka. All our creativity comes from players in wide positions

Only transfer windows will rectify this, be prepared to win some but also lose some whilst personnel can be a exchanged. Arteta has done a great job of picking the players up and restoring confidence but isn’t a miracle worker. The quality just isn’t there right now.

Author:  TAFKAEiN [ Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:13 am ]
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Stefan Schwarz today in 1995 (v Millwall).

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Author:  AmericanGooner [ Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:19 am ]
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They are hinting at non football reasons for his departure. If he's a good center back, I'm hoping we take a look at him

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/01/07/s ... star-pays/

Author:  Bernard [ Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:29 am ]
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Gaz, I think you make a lot of good points but in my view it was wrong to single out Xhaka for the first half, if that was what you were trying to do. Every outfield player underperformed and Xhaka was no worse than others, and even better than some.

At least he went on a very impressive run in the first half even though he badly messed up the final delivery. He was no more to blame than others for the first half, and was one of the reasons the second half was so much better.

I can’t speak for kiwipete, but your initial post made me understand his reaction to it. I think criticism is made more meaningful when it’s deserved and to be honest I don’t think criticism of Xhaka for last night is warranted. Xhaka isn’t great and there will probably be opportunities to justifiably moan about him in the future. My advice is to single him out on those occasions.

Author:  Darren [ Tue Jan 07, 2020 12:06 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
Gaz, I think you make a lot of good points but in my view it was wrong to single out Xhaka for the first half, if that was what you were trying to do. Every outfield player underperformed and Xhaka was no worse than others, and even better than some.

At least he went on a very impressive run in the first half even though he badly messed up the final delivery. He was no more to blame than others for the first half, and was one of the reasons the second half was so much better.

I can’t speak for kiwipete, but your initial post made me understand his reaction to it. I think criticism is made more meaningful when it’s deserved and to be honest I don’t think criticism of Xhaka for last night is warranted. Xhaka isn’t great and there will probably be opportunities to justifiably moan about him in the future. My advice is to single him out on those occasions.

Spot on. I would go further and say that, overall, Xhaka has improved since Arteta arrived.

The first half was poor, really poor, but credit also to Leeds who I thought was excellent. Nice to see MA can provoke a reaction, I was watching him on the touchline during the first half and you could see he was pissed off with the players. My concern from the night was Holding's distribution which was shite. Put us under all sorts of pressure. Hopefully, that's fixable as he's a decent tackler and wins his fair share of headers, but he can't keep giving the ball away that cheaply.

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