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Author:  TOP GUN [ Thu May 09, 2019 9:54 pm ]
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So if it goes to a penalty shootout we have Čech rather than Leno ?

Surely a massive mistake ?

Author:  grantyboy [ Thu May 09, 2019 9:54 pm ]
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50/50 lottery for the final.

Author:  Rich [ Thu May 09, 2019 9:58 pm ]
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So Chelsea in the final.
When we beat them 2-0 we played a 4-3-1-2
Leno
Bellerin, Sokratis, Koscielny, Kolasinac
Guendouzi, Xhaka, torreira
Ramsey
Aubameyang, Lacazette

I feel like we need to play 4 at the back again. Chelsea will play 3 central mids. Hopefully Kanté isn’t fit.

Author:  Ash [ Thu May 09, 2019 9:58 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
So if it goes to a penalty shootout we have Čech rather than Leno ?

Surely a massive mistake ?


You’ve got to pick Leno haven’t you? Pretty sure we’ll go with Čech, I felt bad for hoping he couldn’t play in the final for some reason.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Thu May 09, 2019 10:01 pm ]
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Ash wrote:
20 days til the final. Two clubs 6 miles apart are travelling 3000 miles to play a game of football. It better bloody be worth it.

I wouldn't complain - Kiwi and I have a lot longer distance to go if we want to attend.

Author:  Niall [ Thu May 09, 2019 10:02 pm ]
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Great night, we can beat them.

Author:  kiwipete [ Thu May 09, 2019 10:02 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
and doesn't have the ability to read the game and the organisational skills that enabled Mertesacker to get away with a lack of pace.

:laughing7: Mama Mia .... this is like the Democrats with Russiagate ..... mention Mertesacker and these wonderful organisational skills often enough and you'll convince someone other than yourself .

For the younger forumites let's sort this out once and for all in the centre half rankings...... Mertesacker was slightly ahead of Mancini , Gus Caesar , Nelson Vivas and Blockley
.... and three light years behind Adams , McLintock , O ' Leary , Keown , Simpson , Bould and Young

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Thu May 09, 2019 10:03 pm ]
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So now we can answer the question: Has Emery been better than Wenger last season?

Yes we got to the final.

Author:  Bernard [ Thu May 09, 2019 10:05 pm ]
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socrates wrote:
Bernard wrote:
Koscielny really worries me these days. Did anyone else notice how seriously outpaced he was with a Valencia through ball about three or four minutes into the game? Whether it's age, injuries or a mix of both, he's lost his pace and doesn't have the ability to read the game and the organisational skills that enabled Mertesacker to get away with a lack of pace.

I agree with DHD. He won't even be an adequate squad back up next season and I hope he retires.

I thought Kos was the pick of the bunch (albeit a fairly ordinary bunch) out of the three CBs tonight. Monreal's ball watching is a big issue and Sokratis is a bit headless.

Did you? I thought he was weak.

Author:  Bernard [ Thu May 09, 2019 10:09 pm ]
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kiwipete, have you been drinking? I statistically showed how much better we were with Mertesacker. Just because you couldn't be bothered to read the post isn't my problem.

Author:  Wilts-Gooner [ Thu May 09, 2019 10:12 pm ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
So now we can answer the question: Has Emery been better than Wenger last season?

Yes we got to the final.


Not really, if he wins the final I'd say yes but we played a fairly average Valencia in the semi's, Atletico Madrid are a much better team.

Author:  kiwipete [ Thu May 09, 2019 10:13 pm ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
Ash wrote:
20 days til the final. Two clubs 6 miles apart are travelling 3000 miles to play a game of football. It better bloody be worth it.

I wouldn't complain - Kiwi and I have a lot longer distance to go if we want to attend.

Indeed ........ would have been a damn side better if we'd faced Frankfurt .The locals would be barracking for us remembering the last time the Germans decided to visit Baku ... in their Panzers

Our form against English sides of late doesn't inspire a lot of confidence
...still anything can happen in a final and I didn't think we had a prayer in the cup final against them a couple of years back

Author:  dec [ Thu May 09, 2019 10:14 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
socrates wrote:
I thought Kos was the pick of the bunch (albeit a fairly ordinary bunch) out of the three CBs tonight. Monreal's ball watching is a big issue and Sokratis is a bit headless.

Did you? I thought he was weak.

I thought he was the best of three also. Monreal had a poor game and Sokratis wasn't great either.

Author:  old man of hoy [ Thu May 09, 2019 10:14 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote:
For the younger forumites let's sort this out once and for all in the centre half rankings...... Mertesacker was slightly ahead of Mancini , Gus Caesar , Nelson Vivas and Blockley.... and three light years behind Adams , McLintock , O ' Leary , Keown , Simpson , Bould and Young
No, four light years behind Peter Simpson...

Author:  Bernard [ Thu May 09, 2019 10:17 pm ]
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dec wrote:
Bernard wrote:
Did you? I thought he was weak.

I thought he was the best of three also. Monreal had a poor game and Sokratis wasn't great either.

I just can't see what you saw in him today.

Author:  kiwipete [ Thu May 09, 2019 10:25 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
kiwipete, have you been drinking? I statistically showed how much better we were with Mertesacker. Just because you couldn't be bothered to read the post isn't my problem.

:laughing7: never saw it I have to admit . Stats can be made to prove or disprove anything .

Just tickled how you manage to shoehorn a mention of Per into every post .

Thinking on I wonder if Henry would have scored more goals if Mertesacker had been around back then ..... Bergkamp too might have risen to greater heights .

Author:  kiwipete [ Thu May 09, 2019 10:35 pm ]
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After being distracted skyping the son .... now watching the replay .... great isn't it knowing the result

Here's all their fans in full voice , their team looking all staunch and meaning business

...and yet all the while :laughing7: :laughing7: I know they are all going to be thoroughly pi&%sed off and distraught at the end .

Author:  grantyboy [ Thu May 09, 2019 10:40 pm ]
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I enjoyed this comment on the Valencia vs Arsenal write up...

"Where their opponents showed intensity, incisiveness and mutual awareness, Arsenal looked more like a charity side who had been introduced to each other just before kick off than a team contesting a European semi-final"

:1laughter:

Author:  Decaf [ Thu May 09, 2019 10:45 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
kiwipete, have you been drinking? I statistically showed how much better we were with Mertesacker. Just because you couldn't be bothered to read the post isn't my problem.

He said he was off the rum after his last bout ... I didn't think it would last long :laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7:

Author:  Decaf [ Thu May 09, 2019 10:51 pm ]
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david.d wrote:
Hate to say it but we are miles away from Liverpool and Spurs. Many many miles.
.

We will be when we are playing the final. Many miles. :icon_smile11:

Author:  Bernard [ Thu May 09, 2019 11:08 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote:
Thinking on I wonder if Henry would have scored more goals if Mertesacker had been around back then ..... Bergkamp too might have risen to greater heights .

Can't see any reason for thinking that. His influence was on the defensive side of the game.

Author:  lomekian [ Thu May 09, 2019 11:13 pm ]
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Goonie wrote:
gooner7 wrote:
As much as many disliked, or even hated him, if Alexis was still here, Emery would have countered on him so many times already. I put his slide of attitude and desire squarely on the manager who was mismanaging him. Some on here will say the same drum is getting beat. But no, it is simply a fact being stated.

Wenger got the best out of him. Sanchez wanted a bigger contract (understandable) and got one from MU. He has been a shadow of the player he was. I'm glad he's no longer with us.


Alexis's goals to games ratio was 5 times as good for us as utd. So far in wages, he's cost them £10m per league goal. And has another 3 years left on his contract. Thats another £75m in wages!

Mhkitaryan may be overpaid and inconsistent, but he's got twice as many goals and 3 times as many assists in the same time.

Author:  Decaf [ Thu May 09, 2019 11:17 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote:
Bernard wrote:
and doesn't have the ability to read the game and the organisational skills that enabled Mertesacker to get away with a lack of pace.

:laughing7: Mama Mia .... this is like the Democrats with Russiagate ..... mention Mertesacker and these wonderful organisational skills often enough and you'll convince someone other than yourself .

I would advise you to lay of the rum and the Fox News, Kiwi. As we age, we need to keep our brains, like our livers, off the piss.

Author:  lomekian [ Thu May 09, 2019 11:21 pm ]
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old man of hoy wrote:
Rich wrote:
One thing to be admired in both spurs and Liverpool is how some relatively average squad players have come in and done the business when the best we’re injured. Llorente, moura, Origi, Shaqiri- all big parts to play in each semi and none of whom are first choice
True. While Liverpool's win was phenomenal I feel Spurs' performance is even greater. Lose at home, two down away and to win it from that position is the stuff of dreams. Or nightmares if you support Arsenal.


No chance. Barcelona walked the Spanish league this year. Messi has had another season of more goals than games, including 12 in 10 in the Champions League.

Ajax have not yet won the dutch league, and most of their squad have yet to win a domestic trophy, let along a European one, and their entire squad cost them about £60-90m. And as soon as long balls went to Llorente they couldn't cope and their heads went. Plus Ajax totally outplayed Spurs in both first halves, and were only outplayed in the last half of the tie. Liverpool were unlucky to lose in the Nou Camp (they got Messi'd) and played Barca off the park for the entire second leg.

If both teams match their semi-final performance levels, Spurs will get killed. Sadly it is unlikely...

Author:  Bernard [ Thu May 09, 2019 11:21 pm ]
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Arsenal and Chelsea are both only getting around 6000 tickets each for the final. Disappointingly low, although assuming I can get a flight I will be going.

Author:  lomekian [ Thu May 09, 2019 11:26 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
dec wrote:
There are some footballers that when I watch them play, I wonder how they made it at as professional footballers and especially at PL level. Kolasinac is one of them. How the hell did he stand out from the crowd?

He was free.

After being voted left back of the year in Germany...somehow...

Author:  Niall [ Thu May 09, 2019 11:30 pm ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
So now we can answer the question: Has Emery been better than Wenger last season?

Yes we got to the final.

Hauld on we had Atletico last season. Enough said.

Author:  kiwipete [ Thu May 09, 2019 11:31 pm ]
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Decaf wrote:
kiwipete wrote:
:laughing7: Mama Mia .... this is like the Democrats with Russiagate ..... mention Mertesacker and these wonderful organisational skills often enough and you'll convince someone other than yourself .

I would advise you to lay of the rum and the Fox News, Kiwi. As we age, we need to keep our brains, like our livers, off the piss.

Well little Decaf if you get your rocks off watching Ratchel Maddow , Whoopi Goldberg and Don Lemon and the rest of the half wits on CNN who am I to criticise .

Rum is a distant memory ... beer only these days .

See if we beat Chelsea we have a date with either Spurs or Liverpool in Istanbul on the 14 th August ....the Super Cup final .
Just what we need a pointless non event to fill the TV coffers just before the domestic season .

Author:  kiwipete [ Thu May 09, 2019 11:34 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
Arsenal and Chelsea are both only getting around 6000 tickets each for the final. Disappointingly low, although assuming I can get a flight I will be going.


You might want think again about that one https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48220247

Author:  Niall [ Thu May 09, 2019 11:35 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote:
Decaf wrote:
I would advise you to lay of the rum and the Fox News, Kiwi. As we age, we need to keep our brains, like our livers, off the piss.

Well little Decaf if you get your rocks off watching Ratchel Maddow , Whoopi Goldberg and Don Lemon and the rest of the half wits on CNN who am I to criticise .

Rum is a distant memory ... beer only these days .

See if we beat Chelsea we have a date with either Spurs or Liverpool in Istanbul on the 14 th August ....the Super Cup final .
Just what we need a pointless non event to fill the TV coffers just before the domestic season .

What a misery guts post kiwi.
You're better than that .

Author:  kiwipete [ Thu May 09, 2019 11:40 pm ]
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Niall wrote:
kiwipete wrote:
Well little Decaf if you get your rocks off watching Ratchel Maddow , Whoopi Goldberg and Don Lemon and the rest of the half wits on CNN who am I to criticise .

Rum is a distant memory ... beer only these days .

See if we beat Chelsea we have a date with either Spurs or Liverpool in Istanbul on the 14 th August ....the Super Cup final .
Just what we need a pointless non event to fill the TV coffers just before the domestic season .

What a misery guts post kiwi.
You're better than that .



:laughing7: ... about what CNN , the rum , the Super Cup .....? get Melanie to give you a couple of pointers on being more succinct

Author:  Bernard [ Thu May 09, 2019 11:49 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote:
Bernard wrote:
Arsenal and Chelsea are both only getting around 6000 tickets each for the final. Disappointingly low, although assuming I can get a flight I will be going.

You might want think again about that one https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48220247

Bloody Nora. The capacity of Baku Stadium is some 70k. So with the two clubs taking only 12k between them, 58k will go to other sources.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Fri May 10, 2019 1:10 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
kiwipete wrote:
You might want think again about that one https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/48220247

Bloody Nora. The capacity of Baku Stadium is some 70k. So with the two clubs taking only 12k between them, 58k will go to other sources.

Not many hanger onners at UEFA then

Author:  gooner7 [ Fri May 10, 2019 2:46 am ]
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Decaf wrote:
gooner7 wrote:
That wayward ball from Mkhitaryan :8angers:

forgiven?


Forgiven :1laughter:

Author:  gooner7 [ Fri May 10, 2019 2:49 am ]
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Rich wrote:
2 man demolition job. Sokratis did ok in defence but it was a pretty average performance until these two got the ball.

If the front two play like that in the final we’ll win. We’d beat most teams when the front two play like that.

And don’t let anyone tell you it was just finishing. The off the ball workrate was superb, the link up play, the aggression the skill. It was the best strike partnership performance I’ve seen from an Arsenal pair for a long long time


If more of the players would bring up their own tempo to match these two. Only Ramsey, Guendoezi and Torreira can match them.

Author:  gooner7 [ Fri May 10, 2019 2:56 am ]
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We are in an European Final !!!!!!!!! :58big-emoticons:

:22encouragement:

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Fri May 10, 2019 3:11 am ]
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gooner7 wrote:
We are in an European Final !!!!!!!!! :58big-emoticons:

:22encouragement:

You are right. We should be overjoyed because they don't come along that often at our club.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Fri May 10, 2019 5:09 am ]
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I should feel ecstatic and I can't help but feel like we are being set up for a heartbreak in the final. The last month of the season has showed me that given a chance, we will mess it up.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Fri May 10, 2019 5:11 am ]
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I am no where near confident we can beat Chelsea.

That said, Emery got us to the final. I just wish we could duplicate or away form from Europa to the league.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Fri May 10, 2019 6:05 am ]
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It's painfully obvious we are a lazy team. We want European nights and play well in European matches but we don't want to do what it takes to get in the competition. The squad wants CL football. Every footballer does, but this squad doesn't want to do the heavy lifting to get there.

There was no sense of urgency in the last 4 matches. CL football in their hands. They determined their own future and didn't show up. They only showed up for the European matches.

Even if we win the final, I won't think of this squad as deserving.

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