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Author:  Bernard [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:55 am ]
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dec wrote:
Bernard wrote:
In the right system he would. Dyer has played plenty of games in midfield for Tottenham and I think Xhaka is comfortably better than him.

What is the right system? And what is even his best position? It's definitely not defensive midfielder (a role that Dier is far superior at). It's not box to box midfielder as he doesn't have the pace or athleticism. Lomekian has suggested a Pirlo type role but he is simply miles away from being that good. Can he play a position like Eriksen or David Silva? Not to their level. So a sort of neat and tidy continuity player?

You seem quite sniffy about being neat and tidy or a continuity player. Comparing him to Pirlo is about as useful as comparing him to Vieira or Keane. There are very few as good as Pirlo in his role. If Xhaka isn't, that doesn't mean he can't do a good job for Arsenal. Koscielny was never as good as Adams or Campbell but was still a very fine player, even though I think he now needs replacing. Mkhitaryian isn't as good as Brady but will, I expect, be a fine signing. I'd say the same of Aubameyang even though he's not as good as Henry.

Xhaka isn't a defensive midfielder, so is it fair to criticise him when he was asked to play there? Dier couldn't play Xhaka's continuity game, so would it be fair to moan about him there? Babu mentioned a midfield of Torreira, Xhaka and Ramsey working. My guess is that this may well be Ramsey's last season due to his contract situation. But I can see Torreira, Xhaka and Guendouzi also working.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:42 am ]
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You had ample opportunity to 'toughen up' in the states...lol.
Dodge ball...sadistic PE teachers is a cliche. A lot of them former marines. Girls weren't immune either. Girls would often feign cramps, etc, and many a PE teacher sent them to the nurse for a note knowing they probably didn't even have their first period yet. Girls hated dodge ball because it was co-ed and nerdish, bookish girls got beaned in the head. Dodge ball was revenge time. The class bully was either doing most of the hitting or getting hit. No middle ground. I've seen teammates of class bullies get out of the way and give the other side free reign on him..haha.

What makes these things far worse these days in the era of snowflakes (per you Babu) is that the students are much, much bigger. Did you see LeBron James in HS? There is a reason he could go straight to pros and handle the physicality. 2 or 3 generations of families eating steroid enriched meat has produced some man-boys.

HS football is now big business. These kids are huge, quick as cats and strong as oxes.

Author:  bromley gooner [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:57 am ]
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AmericanGooner wrote:
You had ample opportunity to 'toughen up' in the states...lol.
Dodge ball...sadistic PE teachers is a cliche. A lot of them former marines. Girls weren't immune either. Girls would often feign cramps, etc, and many a PE teacher sent them to the nurse for a note knowing they probably didn't even have their first period yet. Girls hated dodge ball because it was co-ed and nerdish, bookish girls got beaned in the head. Dodge ball was revenge time. The class bully was either doing most of the hitting or getting hit. No middle ground. I've seen teammates of class bullies get out of the way and give the other side free reign on him..haha.

What makes these things far worse these days in the era of snowflakes (per you Babu) is that the students are much, much bigger. Did you see LeBron James in HS? There is a reason he could go straight to pros and handle the physicality. 2 or 3 generations of families eating steroid enriched meat has produced some man-boys.

HS football is now big business. These kids are huge, quick as cats and strong as oxes.

Despite all this you’re still *%^@ at football.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 12:26 pm ]
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I can see how someone could make that a possibility but I don't see Gazidis doing that to the club. Maybe its in him. I don't know the man obviously but I have to think he has a certain amount of loyalty.

https://www.football-italia.net/127905/ ... msey-milan

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 3:10 pm ]
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All points bulletin out for Hodd. Where have you been hiding? Big changes at The Arsenal. Emery's era has begun and not a peep. Report in!

Author:  Goonie [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:14 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
Babu mentioned a midfield of Torreira, Xhaka and Ramsey working. My guess is that this may well be Ramsey's last season due to his contract situation. But I can see Torreira, Xhaka and Guendouzi also working.


Emery is using Ramsey further forward. I would like to see a midfield combo of Xhaka, Torreira, and Guendouzi. Should make us a bit more solid defensively. Guendouzi could be the new Ray Parlour.

Author:  Bernard [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:32 pm ]
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Goonie wrote:
Emery is using Ramsey further forward. I would like to see a midfield combo of Xhaka, Torreira, and Guendouzi. Should make us a bit more solid defensively. Guendouzi could be the new Ray Parlour.

I'd say Guendouzi is technically a lot more gifted than Parlour.

Author:  long time gooner [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:02 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
Goonie wrote:
Emery is using Ramsey further forward. I would like to see a midfield combo of Xhaka, Torreira, and Guendouzi. Should make us a bit more solid defensively. Guendouzi could be the new Ray Parlour.

I'd say Guendouzi is technically a lot more gifted than Parlour.

Wot? The Romford Pele? Surely not. :42laughter:

Author:  Bernard [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:22 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
Bernard wrote:
I'd say Guendouzi is technically a lot more gifted than Parlour.

Wot? The Romford Pele? Surely not. :42laughter:

I see Parlour as a club legend but not that technically gifted.

Author:  HoddGooner [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 9:47 pm ]
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AmericanGooner wrote:
All points bulletin out for Hodd. Where have you been hiding? Big changes at The Arsenal. Emery's era has begun and not a peep. Report in!

Still here :12hello-bye:
Lots going on - all positive from what I’ve Seen.

Author:  dec [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:14 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
dec wrote:
What is the right system? And what is even his best position? It's definitely not defensive midfielder (a role that Dier is far superior at). It's not box to box midfielder as he doesn't have the pace or athleticism. Lomekian has suggested a Pirlo type role but he is simply miles away from being that good. Can he play a position like Eriksen or David Silva? Not to their level. So a sort of neat and tidy continuity player?

You seem quite sniffy about being neat and tidy or a continuity player. Comparing him to Pirlo is about as useful as comparing him to Vieira or Keane. There are very few as good as Pirlo in his role. If Xhaka isn't, that doesn't mean he can't do a good job for Arsenal. Koscielny was never as good as Adams or Campbell but was still a very fine player, even though I think he now needs replacing. Mkhitaryian isn't as good as Brady but will, I expect, be a fine signing. I'd say the same of Aubameyang even though he's not as good as Henry.

Xhaka isn't a defensive midfielder, so is it fair to criticise him when he was asked to play there? Dier couldn't play Xhaka's continuity game, so would it be fair to moan about him there? Babu mentioned a midfield of Torreira, Xhaka and Ramsey working. My guess is that this may well be Ramsey's last season due to his contract situation. But I can see Torreira, Xhaka and Guendouzi also working.

I'm not the one labelling him exceptional so I'm certainly not expecting anything like Pirlo or Brady levels from him. Actually, I don't expect much of him at all. He's a central midfielder with poor discipline, poor defensive abilities and a decent passing range when not under pressure.

Also, for what it's worth, I think Mkhitaryan has been disappointing. He looks like a pure fair-weather player and the biggest thing going for him so far is that Sanchez has been atrocious at Utd.

Author:  Bernard [ Thu Sep 13, 2018 10:47 pm ]
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You just strike me as taking every opportunity to moan about him. You may well deny it but I almost get the impression you simply don't like him. Perfectly normal for fans of any club regarding the occasional player, even when it's not based on their quality. I feel Xhaka is better than some give him credit for, and that 'some' includes you.

Author:  Goonie [ Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:13 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
Goonie wrote:
Emery is using Ramsey further forward. I would like to see a midfield combo of Xhaka, Torreira, and Guendouzi. Should make us a bit more solid defensively. Guendouzi could be the new Ray Parlour.

I'd say Guendouzi is technically a lot more gifted than Parlour.


I agree. But Parlour was effective for us at right midfield. Have we properly replaced him?

Author:  gooner7 [ Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:50 am ]
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Weighing in on the Xhaka debate, I rate him 5.5/10. Good enough to be a key player in teams not challenging for major honours. But, not near good enough to be a key player (not even substitute), in a top honours challenging team. I think if he fundamentally change his attitude towards the game, he will improve exponentially. By that, I mean to give his game more urgency and to cut out his casual passes (which had led to quite a number of calamitous defending by the defenders or goals). My view of him is bias because he has both proven his worth and his weakness, albeit the end result from his weakness is more telling.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:06 pm ]
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Once Kos comes back the defense will be a bit more steady. That's our weakness, the defense and secondarily team defense. We are a very decent side once that is resolved.

We are visibly behind City, Liverpool and Tottenham. Chelsea and Man Utd are better but reachable. I have afith in Emery. I'm still surprised at how impatient some fans are.

Author:  gooner7 [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 5:02 am ]
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Babu III wrote:
gooner7 wrote:
Weighing in on the Xhaka debate, I rate him 5.5/10. Good enough to be a key player in teams not challenging for major honours. But, not near good enough to be a key player (not even substitute), in a top honours challenging team. I think if he fundamentally change his attitude towards the game, he will improve exponentially. By that, I mean to give his game more urgency and to cut out his casual passes (which had led to quite a number of calamitous defending by the defenders or goals). My view of him is bias because he has both proven his worth and his weakness, albeit the end result from his weakness is more telling.

Maybe a 5.5/10 in his current position.

I think the casual passes and the lacking urgency is still a problem from the Wengker times...with his tippy-tappy-tikki-takki-what-the-fuki tactics. No-one forward is making any runs, ball gets passed from the left to right and back again, etc., etc.

Playing him further back, with a gaping hole in the middle that used to be our strength ( good CB's, a defensive system, and a good keeper ) doesn't help either.

The squad at the moment is unbalanced, and we have to fill round holes with square pegs.

Xhaka doesn't have to be THE SUPERSTAR, but in a TEAM he would be invaluable, keeping the ball moving, a great left foot, strong and not afraid of a challenge.

Football is a TEAM sport, not a collection of individuals.
Our "team" is non-existent. As yet.
Xhaka would be a vital ingredient in a team.


Good points mentioned. I hope Xhaka improves his urgency soon.

Author:  Pompey Gooner [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:20 am ]
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I like Xhaka, flaws and all. What I particularly like about him is that he gives precisely zero *%^@* about who hes going up against, he isnt a bottler, he doesnt back down, and hes a unit. As a result Im not looking at Fellaini and Matic at Utd, for example, and thinking theyre just gonna squash us. Hes not fussed, so neither am I.

Ive had quite enough of us being pushed around physically and ld rather have a few more Xhakas in the team than any more mhikis and mesuts and other assorted pussies who disappear when it gets a bit tasty.

Author:  long time gooner [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:35 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
I see Parlour as a club legend but not that technically gifted.

Me too.

Author:  Bernard [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:38 am ]
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Pompey Gooner wrote:
Ive had quite enough of us being pushed around physically and ld rather have a few more Xhakas in the team than any more mhikis and mesuts and other assorted pussies who disappear when it gets a bit tasty.

I think you make some good points there.

Author:  kiwipete [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:31 am ]
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Dear God ... the vaunted All Blacks are playing like sh^^%$%$ t .

. an idiot of throw in gifts them 7 points , kicking away possession , dropping the f**&& ball ..... not kicking the ball out after the half time siren gifts them another 3 . :36angers:

meanwhile South Africa are playing really well .

Author:  kiwipete [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:29 am ]
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Well done South Africa .... we were awful ....... Beauden Barrett missed three easy conversions

Author:  dec [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 9:36 am ]
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kiwipete wrote:
Well done South Africa .... we were awful ....... Beauden Barrett missed three easy conversions

Why didn't they just go for the drop goal? It was there for the taking.

Author:  Gunfire [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 10:39 am ]
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Glad to see the Bokke win. Rugby in the south needed it.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:54 am ]
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Pompey Gooner wrote:
I like Xhaka, flaws and all. What I particularly like about him is that he gives precisely zero *%^@* about who hes going up against, he isnt a bottler, he doesnt back down, and hes a unit. As a result Im not looking at Fellaini and Matic at Utd, for example, and thinking theyre just gonna squash us. Hes not fussed, so neither am I.

Ive had quite enough of us being pushed around physically and ld rather have a few more Xhakas in the team than any more mhikis and mesuts and other assorted pussies who disappear when it gets a bit tasty.


I know what you mean and he does like to put his foot in but goodness me he’s so *%^@*** lazy he barely wants to track back and has no sense of danger. It makes him even more of a liability than a placid passing type player like Denilson or Arteta

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 11:57 am ]
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dec wrote:
Bernard wrote:
I think you're right about Xhaka, Babu. One of the players I've read most utter claptrap about on this forum, although I exclude the likes of Hazuki from that observation. I'm not sure the people I don't exclude from it are all English though.

He is far from being exceptional. He wouldn't make the first 11 for any of the other top 6 clubs.


I think this is the accurate analysis for Xhaka. He should be playing for someone like Newcastle or Everton

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:42 pm ]
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What does Torreira have to do to get picked ?

Author:  Goonie [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:46 pm ]
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Same line-up as against Cardiff. Another away win? Think it makes sense to stick to a winning team.

Author:  warrior [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:06 pm ]
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Xhaka !

Author:  bubblechris [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:07 pm ]
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Xhaka earns his wages.....

Author:  warrior [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:14 pm ]
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Özil !

:58big-emoticons:

Author:  Arsenalia [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:45 pm ]
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Great save from Čech :53big-emoticons:

Author:  warrior [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:50 pm ]
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No clean sheet for Čech again.

Good result though.

Tied with Spurs now.

Author:  Rich [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:56 pm ]
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Any away win in this league is not to be sniffed at. Torreira needs to start games now.
Not sure we are clicking but we’re winning games we need to win.
10 goals, 10 different goalscorers

Author:  bromley gooner [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:58 pm ]
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Excellent result - two away wins on the trot. Didn't see it though - how was the performance?

Author:  Rich [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 3:59 pm ]
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Reid’s Nelson scores on his debut for hoffenheim

Author:  gooner7 [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:03 pm ]
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Credit to Xhaka. Well taken free kick and a good pass to Lacazette, which led to the Özil goal. :53big-emoticons:

Author:  Hazuki [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:04 pm ]
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Not exactly a classic, but I thought we showed some improvement here and there. Overall our best defensive performance this season, although it was disappointing that we couldn't keep a clean sheet. Sokratis in particular had a good game in defense. Xhaka had another good game. Özil got involved much more today. Bellerin is emerging as an attacking threat. Torreira must start.

Author:  Darren [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 4:34 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
Sokratis in particular had a good game in defense.

I think Sokratis is showing himself to be a pretty decent signing so far. Both goals were very good. Xhaka's free kick was superb.

Author:  Hazuki [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 7:49 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Reid’s Nelson scores on his debut for hoffenheim


Author:  Rich [ Sat Sep 15, 2018 8:10 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
Rich wrote:
Reid’s Nelson scores on his debut for hoffenheim


Didn’t quite check my predictive text on his name!
It would be great if Reiss can establish himself in the first team in Germany and can come back to us a much better player.

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