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Author:  david.d [ Sun Mar 06, 2022 6:39 pm ]
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Great weekend for us
Wolves west ham and Utd all losing
And US winning!!!
At 3 1 still felt a bit uneasy as we hadn't put the game to bed with all the chances we had and felt like we had slightly taken our foot off the gas.
Was panicking at 3 2 but thankfully we got the job done.
Brilliant goals today.
Saka and Ødegaard were sublime.
Still being cautious as despite us having those 3 games in hand they are difficult ones against Chelsea Liverpool and spurs.
Leicester next week and another tricky one after Liverpool will be villa away , another tricky one that villa game. No doubt Gerrard will have them hyped up for that.
Game by game but we can certainly do this.
Hope Everton can do something tomorrow.

Author:  Rich [ Sun Mar 06, 2022 7:57 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
Man City showing us how to close out a game. 76% possession in the second half, 15-2 in shots, 6-0 in shots on goal.

The big difference being one eventual losing team never stopped trying whilst one definitely did!
Man U were woeful, save for the opening 20 mins. I’ve banged the drum about Maguire being a genuinely average CB for a number of years, I just don’t see it with him. Apart from getting his head on crosses coming in to the box I can’t see a single bit of defensive attribute that would put him anywhere better than a midtable side. He’s protected for England in a back 3 with two holding mids.

Author:  Rich [ Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:07 pm ]
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Lacazette has 5 assists in our last 4 games. If he keeps that up I couldn’t care less if he scored another goal or not - someone else is scoring them if he’s assisting.
It would be interesting to compare the goalscoring and assists of Lacazette and Firminho. Both are being asked to play a similar no.9 role which is about linking play and facilitating goals for others and Firminho has a stronger team to do that with.

Author:  warrior [ Sun Mar 06, 2022 10:11 pm ]
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Zed wrote:
Hi Rog/Warrior,
Interesting as no problem with small print in posts on my phone vertically.

Yeah - It only affects certain browsers like Firefox. I believe Chromium based browsers are ok.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Sun Mar 06, 2022 10:53 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Yeah just ignore everything I say :14laughter: :14laughter:

Your best post ever and great advice.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun Mar 06, 2022 10:58 pm ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
Yeah just ignore everything I say :14laughter: :14laughter:

Your best post ever and great advice.

It’s called a joke. Well at least there’s a bit of humility there

Your slagging off the manager posts seem less effective right now I wonder why. An irrelevant prat

Author:  grantyboy [ Sun Mar 06, 2022 11:49 pm ]
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socrates wrote:
I thought Ødegaard was out of this world today. The touch, the awareness, the weight of pass, it was just beautiful to watch. A worldclass performance.

Saka was amazing too.

Our goals and the quality of finishing were stunning.

I thought White and Gabriel were shaky, as was Ramsdale. Watford created far too many problems than was necessary, especially 2nd half.


I think Watford were made to look good by us. I'd say at least 80% of their attacking chances were created by Arsenal mistakes and poor passes while under almost no pressure. Play like that against Liverpool or Man City and the result will be very different.

Author:  gooner7 [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:51 am ]
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Yay! United lost!

Author:  Bernard [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:01 am ]
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Seen a marks out of 10 rating for our team yesterday. Inevitably subjective judgments but I don’t think it’s that far from being more or less right.

Cédric got 6 and I felt was more than decent. Does Tierney deserve any more than 5? Maybe? Partey and Xhaka both got 7. I think Xhaka played well and deserves a 7. But I felt Partey was a bit better and was worthy of an 8.

Martinelli got an 8 and surely because of his outstanding goal. Had he not scored he’d be worth no more than a 7. Ramsdale getting 5? Harsh but he’s not looking as good as he was so I can go with 5 as he did get away with a few things. Top scores went to Saka and Ødegaard with 9. I don’t think a sensible argument can be made that they didn’t deserve that as both were outstanding.

Ramsdale 5
Cédric 6
Gabriel 7
White 7
Tierney 5
Partey 7
Xhaka 7
Ødegaard 9
Saka 9
Lacazette 8
Martinelli 8

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Author:  Rich [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:21 am ]
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I think Ramsdale was partly at fault for the Watford 2nd goal, they way he dived he made it easy for the ball to be slotted under him from such a narrow angle. In that position I think GK should stand up, there would be none of the goal to aim at.

Author:  Rich [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:22 am ]
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Important that Man U and spurs keep dropping points so our games against them carry less significance.

Author:  Rich [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:27 am ]
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Seeing the slight positional adjustment of Xhaka, playing much higher in a 4-3-3 shows how I think Arteta wants to evolve the team. Ødegaard plays the right side role with Partey deep. If we can bring in a left sided Ødegaard who links with Emile Smith Rowe/Martinelli that’s what Arteta wants.

On that as well I think Tierney’s drop in form is also slightly because of the players near him and their positions and favoured actions. Tierney used to have Xhaka deeper and Emile Smith Rowe as a left wing who drifts inside, this suits Tierney brilliantly as he can stay high and wide and overlap. With Xhaka pushed on and Martinelli preferring to stay wider on the touchline Tierney is forced to stay a bit deeper exposing what I see as a minor weakness of his in 1v1 defending and he’s forced to come inside or ‘underlap’ more which he’s far less comfortable with as it means more on his right foot and more in tighter central spaces.

Tierney remains a good player for us but I’m not sure the current formation or teammates are helping his game right now

Author:  Rich [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:15 am ]
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Man U spent £130m on wan-bissaka and Maguire. That’s as much as we spent on 6 players this summer.

Author:  socrates [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:19 am ]
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Rich wrote:
I think Ramsdale was partly at fault for the Watford 2nd goal, they way he dived he made it easy for the ball to be slotted under him from such a narrow angle. In that position I think GK should stand up, there would be none of the goal to aim at.


Hi Rich,

I thought Ramsdale should have saved the early disallowed goal as well. Got away with it because it was cancelled out. A few unforced errors creeping into his game.

Author:  socrates [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:22 am ]
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Rich wrote:
Seeing the slight positional adjustment of Xhaka, playing much higher in a 4-3-3 shows how I think Arteta wants to evolve the team. Ødegaard plays the right side role with Partey deep. If we can bring in a left sided Ødegaard who links with Emile Smith Rowe/Martinelli that’s what Arteta wants.

On that as well I think Tierney’s drop in form is also slightly because of the players near him and their positions and favoured actions. Tierney used to have Xhaka deeper and Emile Smith Rowe as a left wing who drifts inside, this suits Tierney brilliantly as he can stay high and wide and overlap. With Xhaka pushed on and Martinelli preferring to stay wider on the touchline Tierney is forced to stay a bit deeper exposing what I see as a minor weakness of his in 1v1 defending and he’s forced to come inside or ‘underlap’ more which he’s far less comfortable with as it means more on his right foot and more in tighter central spaces.

Tierney remains a good player for us but I’m not sure the current formation or teammates are helping his game right now


We definitely looked lopsided yesterday, all the good stuff was coming from our right. Martinelli was quite poor prior to his goal but he wasn't really seeing a lot of the ball. Everything was going through Ødegaard and Saka, who were both brilliant, but I think the left side does need to be addressed to give us greater attacking balance.

Martinelli/Tierney doesn't seem to work especially well.

Author:  socrates [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:24 am ]
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Hey Hodd, what are your thoughts on Norton-Cuffy?

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:49 am ]
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Hope Everton step up tomorrow

Author:  Bernard [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:58 am ]
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socrates wrote:
but I think the left side does need to be addressed to give us greater attacking balance.

Th first and biggest priority is the attack. Lacazette and Nketiah look likely to leave at the end of their contracts and neither is top level even if one or both stay. Aubameyang has already gone. That leaves Balogun as the only recognised central striker, with Martinelli having done little to shows that’s his natural or even best position.

A new top level forward and ideally another to bolster the squad makes worries about other areas of the pitch almost seem a secondary concern.

Author:  Hazuki [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 9:59 am ]
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Looking at the table, I'm wondering if 70 points won't be enough to get fourth place.

If we draw against Man Utd, they lose against Chelsea and Liverpool and win the other 7 games they have left they end up with 69 points. I don't think that's a far fetched prediction, in fact it possibly flatters them a bit considering their patchy form (their last 10 league games are 4 wins, 4 draws and 2 losses).

I think Tottenham will need 9 wins out of their last 13 games to get 70 points. They could do it with 8 wins and 4 draws, but that means they can only afford to lose one more game and they have both Man Utd and Liverpool away remaining, plus the home game against us. Either way would be quite a tall order for a team that has lost 6 of their last 10.

West Ham, like Man Utd have ten games left, but are only at 45 points. To get 70 they need 8 wins and one draw. Included in those ten games are Arsenal and Man City at home, and Tottenham and Chelsea away. They can only afford to drop points in two of those to get 70 points. In their last 10 they have 5 wins, 2 draws and 3 losses.

Wolves are out of it. 11 games to go and thirty points to get to 70, and they still have to play Chelsea, Man City and Liverpool. Not happening.

So, if we set 70 points as a benchmark, Arsenal need to find 7 wins and 1 draw in our remaining 13 games. That means we can actually afford another five losses and can still reach it. Say we lose against all the other big teams, Man Utd, Tottenham, Chelsea and Liverpool. That still leaves us another loss, and a draw, and we could still do it. In our last 10 games we have 8 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss.

All of this is very speculative of course - teams can find and lose form, important players could get injured etc etc. But from a pure points perspective, you'd have to be extremely pessimistic about Arsenal to not consider us the front runners for 4th place right now.

Author:  mcquilkie [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:02 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Gaz from Oz wrote:
Your best post ever and great advice.

It’s called a joke. Well at least there’s a bit of humility there


I did like that post of yours, TG, self-deprecating as it was. However, the complicated question of whether attributing humility to yourself - as you've done - is actually a bit arrogant is a philosophical conundrum. It's worthy of Socrates himself, if only he was still with us.

Author:  Hazuki [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:02 am ]
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I think the math checks out in my previous post. I started doing the calculations quite early in the morning though, so I can't guarantee anything.

Author:  long time gooner [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 10:22 am ]
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grantyboy wrote:
socrates wrote:
I thought Ødegaard was out of this world today. The touch, the awareness, the weight of pass, it was just beautiful to watch. A worldclass performance.

Saka was amazing too.

Our goals and the quality of finishing were stunning.

I thought White and Gabriel were shaky, as was Ramsdale. Watford created far too many problems than was necessary, especially 2nd half.


I think Watford were made to look good by us. I'd say at least 80% of their attacking chances were created by Arsenal mistakes and poor passes while under almost no pressure. Play like that against Liverpool or Man City and the result will be very different.

The good news is that Arteta was equally unhappy with that aspect, so hopefully he’ll be working with the squad to rectify that.

Author:  old man of hoy [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:19 am ]
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Hazuki wrote:
I think the math checks out in my previous post. I started doing the calculations quite early in the morning though, so I can't guarantee anything.
I'll check it for you...

Author:  Hazuki [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:28 pm ]
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I've touched on this before, but it's nice to see the performances of our young stars reflected in the stats. Saka, Smith-Rowe and Martinelli are all scoring and assisting at a very good pace this season. The exception is probably Ødegaard - three assists in the league doesn't reflect how good he's been, or how vital he is in creating scoring chances for us. Assists are just one stat of course, and not the only measure of creativity by a long way, but he's really someone who should have 10-15 per season. He's that good.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 12:33 pm ]
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Hoping for dropped points. 'Everton might be a tough nut to crack' :sign19:

:toothy9:

Author:  Decaf [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 2:13 pm ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
Yeah just ignore everything I say :14laughter: :14laughter:

Your best post ever and great advice.

Rolled into the net with style. :laughing7: :laughing7: Have a couple of :happy11: :happy11:

Author:  TOP GUN [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 3:05 pm ]
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mcquilkie wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
It’s called a joke. Well at least there’s a bit of humility there


I did like that post of yours, TG, self-deprecating as it was. However, the complicated question of whether attributing humility to yourself - as you've done - is actually a bit arrogant is a philosophical conundrum. It's worthy of Socrates himself, if only he was still with us.

Nothing wrong with a bit of self deprecation every once in a while. I’m not sure why sending yourself up would be considered arrogant but there you go you can’t please everyone

Author:  Zed [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:21 pm ]
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warrior wrote:
Zed wrote:
Hi Rog/Warrior,
Interesting as no problem with small print in posts on my phone vertically.

Yeah - It only affects certain browsers like Firefox. I believe Chromium based browsers are ok.

Cheers Rog. Not using Firefox on my phone, just laptop on occasion. No small print using Firefox on SG on laptop either.

Author:  Zed [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:23 pm ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
Hope Everton step up tomorrow

Yes it will be helpful in just less than 3-1/2 hours from now tonight.

Author:  Andy Green [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 4:31 pm ]
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Hello Bernard....not sure I fully agree with your Xhaka ranking....I'm not a regular Xhaka basher despite some of his occasional brain farts. But yesterday I was concerned about our left side.
I'm not sure if he was at fault for their first but there seems some confusion. Martinelli is marking the Watford player with the ball and then when the guy releases it he chases after the overlapper but cannot stop the cross and bang they're level...shouldn't Xhaka have been marking the guy with the ball and Martinelli the runner....like I say it may not have been his fault but there was a breakdown just like in the second half when they missed a sitter that started on our left with a ball inside our defender and a right wing cross that Dennis(I think) should've scored comfortably.

Their second goal was a result of him giving the ball away.....I cannot see why he thought a long diagonal ball was a good idea at that moment.....gave us a very nervous last 5....not saying Xhaka played bad but I would dock him a point or two
There's a good player in their somewhere and he has played some good games for us but (top 4 permitting) his position is one I would upgrade for next season.

I

Author:  Bernard [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:05 pm ]
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Andy Green wrote:
Hello Bernard....not sure I fully agree with your Xhaka ranking....I'm not a regular Xhaka basher despite some of his occasional brain farts. But yesterday I was concerned about our left side.
I'm not sure if he was at fault for their first but there seems some confusion. Martinelli is marking the Watford player with the ball and then when the guy releases it he chases after the overlapper but cannot stop the cross and bang they're level...shouldn't Xhaka have been marking the guy with the ball and Martinelli the runner....like I say it may not have been his fault but there was a breakdown just like in the second half when they missed a sitter that started on our left with a ball inside our defender and a right wing cross that Dennis(I think) should've scored comfortably.

Their second goal was a result of him giving the ball away.....I cannot see why he thought a long diagonal ball was a good idea at that moment.....gave us a very nervous last 5....not saying Xhaka played bad but I would dock him a point or two
There's a good player in their somewhere and he has played some good games for us but (top 4 permitting) his position is one I would upgrade for next season.
I

It wasn’t my ranking but I think he was well worth the 7 whoever’s ranking it was gave him. He had a good game. Rich is right and he seems to be playing further forward now. So I can only assume that’s Arteta’s direction. It would be ideal to improve any player who isn’t the best in the world in his position. But a new striker or two is a way bigger priority than a replacement for Xhaka this summer.

Author:  Andy Green [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:11 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
Andy Green wrote:
Hello Bernard....not sure I fully agree with your Xhaka ranking....I'm not a regular Xhaka basher despite some of his occasional brain farts. But yesterday I was concerned about our left side.
I'm not sure if he was at fault for their first but there seems some confusion. Martinelli is marking the Watford player with the ball and then when the guy releases it he chases after the overlapper but cannot stop the cross and bang they're level...shouldn't Xhaka have been marking the guy with the ball and Martinelli the runner....like I say it may not have been his fault but there was a breakdown just like in the second half when they missed a sitter that started on our left with a ball inside our defender and a right wing cross that Dennis(I think) should've scored comfortably.

Their second goal was a result of him giving the ball away.....I cannot see why he thought a long diagonal ball was a good idea at that moment.....gave us a very nervous last 5....not saying Xhaka played bad but I would dock him a point or two
There's a good player in their somewhere and he has played some good games for us but (top 4 permitting) his position is one I would upgrade for next season.
I

It wasn’t my ranking but I think he was well worth the 7 whoever’s ranking it was gave him. He had a good game. Rich is right and he seems to be playing further forward now. So I can only assume that’s Arteta’s direction. It would be ideal to improve any player who isn’t the best in the world in his position. But a new striker or two is a way bigger priority than a replacement for Xhaka this summer.


Ah, sorry. See now it wasn't your assessment!

Author:  Decaf [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 5:50 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
I think the math checks out in my previous post. I started doing the calculations quite early in the morning though, so I can't guarantee anything.

We've been going along at the excellent rate of 2.181818 points per game since our first three games. That rate would get us 76 points. Anything less than 70 would be a bit disappointing.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 6:10 pm ]
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Xhaka had a shocker ! Reckless passing and not bothering to track back. :laughing7: Honestly what are you on.

No more than a 5

Author:  Rich [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:06 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
Looking at the table, I'm wondering if 70 points won't be enough to get fourth place.

If we draw against Man Utd, they lose against Chelsea and Liverpool and win the other 7 games they have left they end up with 69 points. I don't think that's a far fetched prediction, in fact it possibly flatters them a bit considering their patchy form (their last 10 league games are 4 wins, 4 draws and 2 losses).

I think Tottenham will need 9 wins out of their last 13 games to get 70 points. They could do it with 8 wins and 4 draws, but that means they can only afford to lose one more game and they have both Man Utd and Liverpool away remaining, plus the home game against us. Either way would be quite a tall order for a team that has lost 6 of their last 10.

West Ham, like Man Utd have ten games left, but are only at 45 points. To get 70 they need 8 wins and one draw. Included in those ten games are Arsenal and Man City at home, and Tottenham and Chelsea away. They can only afford to drop points in two of those to get 70 points. In their last 10 they have 5 wins, 2 draws and 3 losses.

Wolves are out of it. 11 games to go and thirty points to get to 70, and they still have to play Chelsea, Man City and Liverpool. Not happening.

So, if we set 70 points as a benchmark, Arsenal need to find 7 wins and 1 draw in our remaining 13 games. That means we can actually afford another five losses and can still reach it. Say we lose against all the other big teams, Man Utd, Tottenham, Chelsea and Liverpool. That still leaves us another loss, and a draw, and we could still do it. In our last 10 games we have 8 wins, 1 draw and 1 loss.

All of this is very speculative of course - teams can find and lose form, important players could get injured etc etc. But from a pure points perspective, you'd have to be extremely pessimistic about Arsenal to not consider us the front runners for 4th place right now.

Pretty much my reading of it as well.
We're the only ones in the top 4 race with any kind of form right now, and our form is very very good (title winning form over the last 10).
Or we look at it the other way and say we're clearly the least flakey of the team there. I know we've conceded a couple of sloppy goals recently but the rest are doing that week in week out.

Author:  Rich [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:11 pm ]
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https://twitter.com/PremLeaguePanel/sta ... 16739?s=20
I like little bits of analysis like this. I think Rodri and Fabinho are the best holding mids in the prem, and I base that on their ability to be positionally excellent, great with the ball in tight spaces snuffing out attacks and passing lines - but I hadn't considered what they give directly to the attack other than quick ball progression. These lofted passes from 40 yards out with a deep block are not really in our weaponry right now.

Author:  david.d [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:16 pm ]
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So much for Everton doing us a favour......

Author:  david.d [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:17 pm ]
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Ffs
2 goals in 2 minutes

Author:  david.d [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:19 pm ]
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Everton actually started ok.
Game over.
Really want us to shrug these *%^@ers off our coat tails.
Game at their place is massive.

Author:  Rich [ Mon Mar 07, 2022 8:26 pm ]
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So much for hoping Everton can do us a favour tonight. A calamitous own goal and a Pickford howler has Spurs 2-0 up early on.

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