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Author:  AmericanGooner [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 7:58 pm ]
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Just found out after a flight. Had posted I hoped he turned it around as I was heading on a flight.
Might have even be fired at that time. Oh well, need says Freddie is caretaker manager. Feel badly for Emery. Personally, I'd ride out the season and go for Rodgers. There isnt a former player I'd hand the reigns to right now.

If we have to get someone now Poch as well as send word to Fergie just to push off Man Utd fans.

Author:  Bernard [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:01 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote:
Bernard wrote:
Let’s hope Ljungberg is a better manager than he was a player.

If that was any sort of criteria , Mertesacker shouldn't even be allowed to make the teas at the Club .

What pure bollocks you do talk sometimes. Mertesacker was an excellent player, is an Arsenal legend, as has leadership qualities in spades.

Author:  kiwipete [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:37 pm ]
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Interesting times ... most teams pick up initially with a managerial change even Emery got a string of decent results even if the play didn't reflect that .
With Ljungberg I hope he doesn't do the same as his fellow Scandanavian Ole Gunnar get some results , get the job full time , then the wheels drop off and we are back to square one .

Pochettino would me my choice but then again everyone is focusing on his successes .

Spurs seemed to have a pretty decent squad , played swash buckling football but THEN ........... what went wrong ..... ?

How on earth could Spurs have collected less points than our half wit managed this term .

Someone on here must have a Spurs friend who could provide an answer

I've got no sympathy for Unai at all , this " seemed a nice guy routine ".

Who cares .....He was a disaster , who bought it all on himself . Inflicted hours of miserable football on fans who forked out decent money to watch that dross .

He could have sought advice from any quarter and he'd still be in a job .

He's like a 2008 Wall Street banker gets magnificently rewarded for doing a terrible job ... where's the justice in that ?

Author:  david.d [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:49 pm ]
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I wanted Emery gone. I think we all did.
I do feel a bit guilty at my glee when I found out.
Hearing his humble statement has touched me.
He was a decent man with no malice and tried to learn the language
He certainly didn't deserve the various mickey taking of his grasp of the English language.
He was not right for us but I wish him the sincere best.

Author:  kiwipete [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:50 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
kiwipete wrote:
If that was any sort of criteria , Mertesacker shouldn't even be allowed to make the teas at the Club .

Mertesacker was a great player, is an Arsenal legend, as has leadership qualities in spades.


Quite right ......... Dead heating with the sloth for the fifty metre dash .... guarantees him legendary status in my book .

Author:  Bernard [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 8:59 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote:
Someone on here must have a Spurs friend who could provide an answer

I’ve spoken to two Tottenham supporting friends about Pochettino and they both rate him highly so hope he doesn’t join Arsenal.

Author:  Rich [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:01 pm ]
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Classic Arsenal to wait until Black Friday to sack Emery, hoping for a discount on the compensation.

**i can’t claim credit for that**

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:02 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Harsh of Emery who seemed a nice guy but I can’t recall a manager more out of his depth.

He will now likely manage a mid table Spanish side or go back to starring in the Hotel Transylvania movies

FFS - it just didn't work at our club. In the right location he is a good manager. There was no 8-2 loses or even 6-1.

But the bottom line remains that if a player we had purchased for a lot of money had slotted a penalty against Spurs - then we would have had CL at the end of last season. He would have achieved his goal.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:09 pm ]
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gooner7 wrote:
A new dawn, again ......................

Happens everyday in my part of the world

Author:  Zed [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:21 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Gunfire wrote:

he has said he'd rather work on a farm than manage Arsenal or Barcelona.

When he was spurs manager though and before they fired him !

I never envisioned getting married as a bachelor. Time changes things

Well there's much needed 'farming' to be done at Arsenal lately. Depends on who's up for it. :angel8:

Author:  dec [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:21 pm ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
Harsh of Emery who seemed a nice guy but I can’t recall a manager more out of his depth.

He will now likely manage a mid table Spanish side or go back to starring in the Hotel Transylvania movies

FFS - it just didn't work at our club. In the right location he is a good manager. There was no 8-2 loses or even 6-1.

But the bottom line remains that if a player we had purchased for a lot of money had slotted a penalty against Spurs - then we would have had CL at the end of last season. He would have achieved his goal.

Christ on a bike! You're still blaming Aubameyang for our current predicament. Best striker in the league last season. I suppose you didn't rate Bergkamp or Brady either....

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:38 pm ]
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dec wrote:
Gaz from Oz wrote:
FFS - it just didn't work at our club. In the right location he is a good manager. There was no 8-2 loses or even 6-1.

But the bottom line remains that if a player we had purchased for a lot of money had slotted a penalty against Spurs - then we would have had CL at the end of last season. He would have achieved his goal.

Christ on a bike! You're still blaming Aubameyang for our current predicament. Best striker in the league last season. I suppose you didn't rate Bergkamp or Brady either....

Just pointing out a very simple fact. He would have achieved his target. So on such fine margins things are decided. No I don't like Emery's style or non-style of play but I also don't like the way our players seem to be immune from criticism. They are part of the problem at the club. I don't blame Aubameyang for our poor play or lack of tactics but I blame him for failure to get to the CL and always will.

The really bad thing about Aubs miss was that we would have been in CL (where we probably couldn't have crawled out of the group stages) but Spurs would have been in the Europa League this season and therefore less cashed up.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 10:54 pm ]
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The Freddie era begins I hope this was the right move. Granted we haven't looked good at all but the same can be said about periods of time under Wenger in his last few years.

Author:  thofman [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:33 pm ]
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David Seaman reckons Freddie "will be really avant-garde as a manager "!!!

Hope it's more effective than Remi Garde as a manager.

Author:  TAFKAEiN [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:36 pm ]
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tomc wrote:
TAFKAEiN wrote:

As I'm one of those who suggested the sacking with Freddie 'til the end of the season I'm happy right now but long term? Maybe Freddie could prove to be the man? To be honest I haven't a clue past the obvious names who keep coming up but I would like a manager who plays football.

On managers I must mention Gareth Ainsworth at Wycombe. Obviously not putting him forward for the Arsenal job but when younger English managers get mentioned he's never on the list. He's taken a bankrupt club who couldn't even fill the subs bench for a season to the top of League One. Really can't overstate the job he's done with no resources.

Was very surprised QPR didn't go for Ainsworth in the summer Ex, as a former player of theirs. As you say he's performed miracles at Wycombe. He's a dude too, very rock n roll.


I was under the impression they did talk to him. Certainly other clubs (Forest for one) have but no one has lured him away yet - he does seem genuinely settled around here. On the rock 'n' roll point I think I'm right he's got a single out for christmas.

Author:  old man of hoy [ Fri Nov 29, 2019 11:51 pm ]
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thofman wrote:
David Seaman reckons Freddie "will be really avant-garde as a manager "!!!

Hope it's more effective than Remi Garde as a manager.
:42laughter:

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:27 am ]
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I don't know if Vieira is ready for such a huge step up in managment for a club of our size but I do know he has the presence and stature. He was immense as captain. If he were chosen I'd hope that translates into his management.

Really cheering for Freddie and really hope Emery gets another job and proves us all wrong.

Author:  gooner7 [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:51 am ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
gooner7 wrote:
A new dawn, again ......................

Happens everyday in my part of the world


:42laughter:

Author:  gooner7 [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:52 am ]
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AmericanGooner wrote:
I don't know if Vieira is ready for such a huge step up in managment for a club of our size but I do know he has the presence and stature. He was immense as captain. If he were chosen I'd hope that translates into his management.

Really cheering for Freddie and really hope Emery gets another job and proves us all wrong.


AG, I think you actually meant to say, you hope Emery prove that you are right and everyone else wrong :42laughter:

Author:  gooner7 [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:54 am ]
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Looking forward to see how the team will be set-up for the Norwich game. Hope Freddie cuts out the play from the back nonsense.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 3:43 am ]
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gooner7 wrote:
AmericanGooner wrote:
I don't know if Vieira is ready for such a huge step up in managment for a club of our size but I do know he has the presence and stature. He was immense as captain. If he were chosen I'd hope that translates into his management.

Really cheering for Freddie and really hope Emery gets another job and proves us all wrong.


AG, I think you actually meant to say, you hope Emery prove that you are right and everyone else wrong :42laughter:


lol...perhaps.

Author:  Decaf [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 4:39 am ]
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kiwipete wrote:
Bernard wrote:
Let’s hope Ljungberg is a better manager than he was a player.


If that was any sort of criteria , Mertesacker shouldn't even be allowed to make the teas at the Club .
If Freds a better manager than he was a player we'll win the league.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 5:02 am ]
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Decaf wrote:
kiwipete wrote:

If that was any sort of criteria , Mertesacker shouldn't even be allowed to make the teas at the Club .
If Freds a better manager than he was a player we'll win the league.

I thought he can only work for 3 months as he has no certificates.

Author:  bubblechris [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 7:30 am ]
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dec wrote:
Gaz from Oz wrote:
FFS - it just didn't work at our club. In the right location he is a good manager. There was no 8-2 loses or even 6-1.

But the bottom line remains that if a player we had purchased for a lot of money had slotted a penalty against Spurs - then we would have had CL at the end of last season. He would have achieved his goal.

Christ on a bike! You're still blaming Aubameyang for our current predicament. Best striker in the league last season. I suppose you didn't rate Bergkamp or Brady either....


Don't know the answer to that one but he didn't want us to get rid of Alexis and thought he was the dogs bollox when I was saying he wasn't good for the team or as effective as some were saying.

Author:  Rich [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:25 am ]
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gooner7 wrote:
Looking forward to see how the team will be set-up for the Norwich game. Hope Freddie cuts out the play from the back nonsense.

Really interesting.

A cynical view might be that Freddie makes some drastic changes in tactics and players in a way to prove he wasn’t anything to do with the recent poor form.

You’d think some younger players might get more consistent chances. Nelson and Willock could get more chances, and surely Pépé will start

Author:  Rich [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:29 am ]
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Seems to be a big list of potential managers:
Arteta, Allegri, Rodgers, ancelloti, nuno espirito, nagelsmann, pochettino, Vieira, ljungberg

What is the forum’s top 3

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:44 am ]
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Rich wrote:
Seems to be a big list of potential managers:
Arteta, Allegri, Rodgers, ancelloti, nuno espirito, nagelsmann, pochettino, Vieira, ljungberg

What is the forum’s top 3

Pochettino, Rodgers and Vieira in order (however I think we have no chance with the first 2 )

Another new one being strongly linked today is Marcelino which would be fundamentally uninspiring

Author:  Gunfire [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 8:56 am ]
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Rich wrote:
Seems to be a big list of potential managers:
Arteta, Allegri, Rodgers, ancelloti, nuno espirito, nagelsmann, pochettino, Vieira, ljungberg

What is the forum’s top 3


Rodgers won't leave. Ngelsmann has only just started at Leipzig. Allegri can't speak English. On that list I'd go for Arteta. He's a risk but at least it would be some kind of statement as to where we are going. We never went for the flashy big name manager and tend to get managers from left field. Although he is not unknown he still would be an appointment with some pizazz.

Author:  Bernard [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:15 am ]
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Decaf wrote:
If Freds a better manager than he was a player we'll win the league.

No chance.

Author:  Bernard [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:24 am ]
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Gunfire wrote:
Rodgers won't leave.

Having been told what Rodgers said when asked about the job, I think he would take it. The rumours are buying him out of his Leicester contract would cost £14m. In modern Premier League football that is peanuts. Worth every single penny.

Author:  Decaf [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:38 am ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
Decaf wrote:
If Freds a better manager than he was a player we'll win the league.

I thought he can only work for 3 months as he has no certificates.

I wasn't being literal. My point (in response to Bernard) was that Ljungberg was an excellent player so if he's an even better manager he would be quite something.

Author:  Decaf [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:43 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Rich wrote:
Seems to be a big list of potential managers:
Arteta, Allegri, Rodgers, ancelloti, nuno espirito, nagelsmann, pochettino, Vieira, ljungberg

What is the forum’s top 3

Pochettino, Rodgers and Vieira in order (however I think we have no chance with the first 2 )

Another new one being strongly linked today is Marcelino which would be fundamentally uninspiring

Definitely not Vieira. The chances of it not working out are too high and imagine how unpleasant that would be.

Poaching Rodgers for Leicester would be pretty ugly in my view.

Obviously if we got either I would be behind them 100%.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 9:52 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
Gunfire wrote:
Rodgers won't leave.

Having been told what Rodgers said when asked about the job, I think he would take it. The rumours are buying him out of his Leicester contract would cost £14m. In modern Premier League football that is peanuts. Worth every single penny.


I don’t think HIM buying out the contract for 14 million would make financial sense. He would get the 6m per year Emery was getting which is 1m more than he’s on at Leicester but he wouldn’t get longer than a 3 year deal. Why would he do that ?

Arsenal paying Leicester the 14 million makes more sense but it would probably make him the least attractive financial option for Kroenke considering he’s just paid 10 million to pay off Emery and all his staff.

I think this pretty much rules out Brendon Rodgers and I strongly expect our next manager to be someone who is currently out of work

Author:  Decaf [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:07 am ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
dec wrote:
Christ on a bike! You're still blaming Aubameyang for our current predicament. Best striker in the league last season. I suppose you didn't rate Bergkamp or Brady either....

Just pointing out a very simple fact. He would have achieved his target. So on such fine margins things are decided. No I don't like Emery's style or non-style of play but I also don't like the way our players seem to be immune from criticism. They are part of the problem at the club. I don't blame Aubameyang for our poor play or lack of tactics but I blame him for failure to get to the CL and always will.

The really bad thing about Aubs miss was that we would have been in CL (where we probably couldn't have crawled out of the group stages) but Spurs would have been in the Europa League this season and therefore less cashed up.

That is a very strange way of looking at it. I don't see fine margins at all. Without Aubameyang's 22 goals we would have been lucky to get into the Europa League, let alone almost stumble into the CL. We were appallingly poor at the end of last season and it wasn't his fault.

Author:  Bernard [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:08 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Bernard wrote:
Having been told what Rodgers said when asked about the job, I think he would take it. The rumours are buying him out of his Leicester contract would cost £14m. In modern Premier League football that is peanuts. Worth every single penny.

I don’t think HIM buying out the contract for 14 million would make financial sense. He would get the 6m per year Emery was getting which is 1m more than he’s on at Leicester but he wouldn’t get longer than a 3 year deal. Why would he do that ?

Arsenal paying Leicester the 14 million makes more sense but it would probably make him the least attractive financial option for Kroenke considering he’s just paid 10 million to pay off Emery and all his staff.

I think this pretty much rules out Brendon Rodgers and I strongly expect our next manager to be someone who is currently out of work

I wasn’t talking of Rodgers himself buying out his contract at Leicester. I was talking of Arsenal doing it. You may well be right that the new manager will be someone out of work. But if that is the case, who is there apart from Pochettino and Allegri?

Author:  Bernard [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:13 am ]
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Decaf wrote:
I wasn't being literal. My point (in response to Bernard) was that Ljungberg was an excellent player so if he's an even better manager he would be quite something.

But he wasn’t.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:20 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
I don’t think HIM buying out the contract for 14 million would make financial sense. He would get the 6m per year Emery was getting which is 1m more than he’s on at Leicester but he wouldn’t get longer than a 3 year deal. Why would he do that ?

Arsenal paying Leicester the 14 million makes more sense but it would probably make him the least attractive financial option for Kroenke considering he’s just paid 10 million to pay off Emery and all his staff.

I think this pretty much rules out Brendon Rodgers and I strongly expect our next manager to be someone who is currently out of work

I wasn’t talking of Rodgers himself buying out his contract at Leicester. I was talking of Arsenal doing it. You may well be right that the new manager will be someone out of work. But if that is the case, who is there apart from Pochettino and Allegri?


Marcelino as the sun are saying? Arteta ?

Nuno has a contract but is only on 3 million a year. That should be more affordable in terms of compensation you would have to pay. Vieira can’t be on a huge contract at nice you would have thought. The problem with Rogers is that Leicester paid Celtic 9 million in compensation to get him so had to put subsequent contractual clauses in place.

Could we afford Allegri ? We only paid Emery 6 million a year, that’s not a huge wage and he could probably make more waiting for a better offer.

Author:  Bernard [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:28 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Bernard wrote:
I wasn’t talking of Rodgers himself buying out his contract at Leicester. I was talking of Arsenal doing it. You may well be right that the new manager will be someone out of work. But if that is the case, who is there apart from Pochettino and Allegri?

Marcelino as the sun are saying? Arteta ?

Nuno has a contract but is only on 3 million a year. That should be more affordable in terms of compensation you would have to pay. Vieira can’t be on a huge contract at nice you would have thought. The problem with Rogers is that Leicester paid Celtic 9 million in compensation to get him so had to put subsequent contractual clauses in place.

Could we afford Allegri ? We only paid Emery 6 million a year, that’s not a huge wage and he could probably make more waiting for a better offer.

Arteta isn’t out of work. I think we could afford Rodgers and Allegri.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:35 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
Marcelino as the sun are saying? Arteta ?

Nuno has a contract but is only on 3 million a year. That should be more affordable in terms of compensation you would have to pay. Vieira can’t be on a huge contract at nice you would have thought. The problem with Rogers is that Leicester paid Celtic 9 million in compensation to get him so had to put subsequent contractual clauses in place.

Could we afford Allegri ? We only paid Emery 6 million a year, that’s not a huge wage and he could probably make more waiting for a better offer.

Arteta isn’t out of work. I think we could afford Rodgers and Allegri.


Artetas a coach though and you wouldn’t have to pay huge compensation to get him though. Guardiola said previously they would just let him go.

Rodgers salary is affordable but Allegri was getting linked with Munich and united jobs. Guardiola was on over 10 million a year at Bayern on that basis isn’t Allegri better waiting for a better offer from a champions league club because currently we pay a little over half that. I suppose it comes down to how much we want the said person but I’m expecting someone like Nuno, Marcelino or Arteta to turn up.

Author:  TAFKAEiN [ Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:36 am ]
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Just a quick one.

I've got loads of Arsenal books scanned up on flickr but they're to likely vanish soon because flickr have been mucking me around so if there's anything you want to copy from there please do it sooner rather than later.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/99068843@ ... 3367979714

On the subject of Arsenal history I've a very small part in this site which is absolutely amazing http://thearsenalcollection.org.uk/

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