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Author:  gooner7 [ Sat Dec 14, 2019 10:13 am ]
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socrates wrote:
gooner7 wrote:

Not asking for the team to transform overnight into a title challenging team. But, simply transform itself into a more confident team which plays with a belief in themselves. Attack with vigour (which means stop passing sideways or back 80% of the time), and defend with grit (not turning away or to wait for someone else to do the defending). Do more off the ball running. Do more running into spaces to receive a pass. Help your teammate out, when he is crowded by too many defenders .... run to where he is, so he has an outlet. In short, be more driven, show more urgency and increase the energy of the team. I would drop Özil, Luiz and Xhaka. Unfortunately cannot drop Kola.


Morning g7,

I'm not sure if it's a modern day thing but so many of our players turn their backs and actually make themselves smaller when a shot comes in.

I know it's a bit of a reflex thing but they have to be braver.


Hi Soc,

We had so many brave, driven and gutsy CB in Adams, Keown, Bould, Sol and many more who I can't recall. And our left & right backs are real fighters too. Rice, Winterburn, Cole, Sansom and many more. Huge contrast to who we have nowadays.

Sok is a brave one, albeit clumsy as well. But at least brave.

Luiz, Xhaka are softies, pretending to be bigger players. It is their size which got them into the team. But their guts leaves a lot to be desired.

Chambers, Holding does not have the same kind of brave, driven & gutsy traits of past English CB. Sadly.
Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:15 pm ]
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Were Liverpool as dominant as this in their '70s and '80s heydays?
Author:  kiwipete [ Sat Dec 14, 2019 1:59 pm ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
OMG the Freddie love in has started. Brave & it paid off. We have had 4 games all of which we should have won if he got a bounce out of the team. One win. And some of his team choices. There is a culture problem at the club. We reward people who just want to go thru the motions. He is no better than I expected. Brave FFS - Standard Leige & we scrapped a draw.

:laughing7: for some God forsaken reason your little rant tickled me ...

I watched the first twenty minutes of the West Ham game ... Saints preserve us .... turgid , back and forth cross field b*&%%$$ such lack of ambition .

I'm watching Liverpool v Watford at the moment ...what a difference both sides full blown attack . Pool just had a nice goal disallowed by VAR for having a toe nail offside .

Oxlade Chamberlain coming on .... let's see if he has improved
Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Dec 14, 2019 3:44 pm ]
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There is an underlying issue that has gone on for the better part of a decade and that is we lack a collective fighting spirit. It was lacking in the last years of Wenger and it continued under Emery and it doesn't matter who we bring in. It's a club issue. The players from 10 years ago are totally different but the lack of a fighting spirit stayed the same. We have had a lack of good tactics as well but its not just that. You can bring in a good tactician and different players and I think unless that person can instill a fighting spirit, it won't matter and I think its pervasive and from the top down.

I'm going to blame Kroenke as well. I was watching some NFL football interviews and a player who has been through a few clubs was asked what was the best club he played for and it wasn't the one he won a championship with. He mentioned a club that he said was the best run club he's ever seen and it was a pleasure to play for them. He knew from the top down, the owner and everyone below him were committed to winning and also were people you trusted. They would do their part and provide the tools for you to do your best and if you were found lacking because you didn't work hard enough you were gone because there was some more deserving player in your spot.
Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Dec 14, 2019 4:54 pm ]
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I heard every time Chelsea loses close to Christmas an angel gets its wings.
Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Sat Dec 14, 2019 8:41 pm ]
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I loved that Leicester dropped a point. On 606 over the last couple of weeks Leicester fans having been getting well above themselves. Talking about all the wins they would get and their game against Liverpool would decide the title.
Author:  gooner7 [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:54 am ]
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Goonie wrote:
gooner7 wrote:
Chambers, Holding does not have the same kind of brave, driven & gutsy traits of past English CB. Sadly.

The last decent CB pairing we had was Koscielny and Mertesacker. Let's hope Saliba turns out to be our van Dijk. We need leaders & organisers, strong characters at the heart of defence and midfield.


Yes, these 2 were very good for us. Kos, in his prime was fantastic.
Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:24 am ]
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According to this report (admittedly from The Mirror) Freddie is talking to the players about the toxic atmosphere at the stadium and how to deal with it before the City game. How about this - play and give 100% and never give up. Earn your wages and the fans might be a bit more forgiving. But as I have said elsewhere the club culture is not what it should be and I am starting to think Freddie is just continuing giving players excuses for failure.

Plus the article states managers are not interested in coming to us because of the lack of money in the transfer kitty.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... t-21100527
Author:  kiwipete [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 7:59 am ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
I loved that Leicester dropped a point. On 606 over the last couple of weeks Leicester fans having been getting well above themselves. Talking about all the wins they would get and their game against Liverpool would decide the title.


" I loved that Leicester dropped a point "

Holy cow ....what a miserable old fairy .

Why shouldn't Leicester fans get a little excited ; an 'unfashionable' club punching well above their weight , playing an entertaining attractive brand of football . 2nd in the table the only team attempting to derail the Klopp juggernaut .

I was just thinking how nice it is to have Leicester , Sheffield Utd and Wolves in the top half of the table doing well instead of it being dominated as per usual by the normal procession of financially doped heavyweights .

Your " love" will be off the scale when you realise by not winning the Foxes have actually dropped two points .

Teams get three points if they win , a point each if they draw and zero points for the team that loses ........ hope this helps .

You wont be nodding off tonight knowing you were right :laughing7:
Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 10:12 am ]
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Taking the kids to the BBQ place for lunch before we arrive for the city game. Wanna guess which one they are more excited about today ? :laughing7:

Character building is a key part of child development. I’ll take an unlikely nil nil please Freddie and tell Kolasinac he’s not allowed to cross the halfway line.
Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 1:13 pm ]
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I've never imagined City being anything other than leading the PL and the odd time every so often they are runner up. They have arguably the best manager in the world, limitless funds and a collection of a world XI. They may end up 3rd this season and that's a shock after last season. Yes, its hard to maintain that drive each season and each game but never foresaw this.

And never thought Liverpool would be this good as well. Imagine if they had kept Suarez?!

I don't expect City to stay this way for long. But till that time, its interesting see them struggling and 3rd
Author:  bubblechris [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 2:43 pm ]
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Another bar VAR decision imo.

Everton corner two players attack keeper imo at least one fouls him ball falls to Lindelof and goes in for a goal.

Craig Pawson gives a goal.

Much as I want Everton to win it's a disgrace.
Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:31 pm ]
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C'mon Wolves, hold on. I'm here for you as a lucky charm. :1laughter:
Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:32 pm ]
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...oh and Everton. C'mon you Toffees.
Author:  Decaf [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:32 pm ]
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bubblechris wrote:
Another bar VAR decision imo.

Everton corner two players attack keeper imo at least one fouls him ball falls to Lindelof and goes in for a goal.

Craig Pawson gives a goal.

Much as I want Everton to win it's a disgrace.

But numerous good ones too like Bournemouth's goal yesterday.
Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 3:47 pm ]
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:1cry:

Author:  bubblechris [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:18 pm ]
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Decaf wrote:
bubblechris wrote:
Another bar VAR decision imo.

Everton corner two players attack keeper imo at least one fouls him ball falls to Lindelof and goes in for a goal.

Craig Pawson gives a goal.

Much as I want Everton to win it's a disgrace.

But numerous good ones too like Bournemouth's goal yesterday.


Not the point though as they should all be good ones otherwise scrap it or scrap the incompetent refs.

And I was one of the first supporters calling for it from the start.....
Author:  bubblechris [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:21 pm ]
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Will Lacazette be happy?

Possibly another of my controversial points but shouldn't Aubameyang commit himself to the team or *%^@ off? Lacazette should be getting regular starts if he is thinking of going or we'll lose him as well.
Author:  Lincoln gooner [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:28 pm ]
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bubblechris wrote:
Will Lacazette be happy?

Possibly another of my controversial points but shouldn't Aubameyang commit himself to the team or *%^@ off? Lacazette should be getting regular starts if he is thinking of going or we'll lose him as well.

Never mind whether players like it or not, we should be selecting the most effective XI. Personally I don't think playing both Aubameyang and Lacazette really works, and of the two Aubameyang is the best bet through the middle.
Author:  long time gooner [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:32 pm ]
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Well that didn’t take long :20hospitals:
Author:  Lincoln gooner [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:33 pm ]
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Off to a great start, then :20hospitals:
Author:  Rich [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:35 pm ]
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Don’t expect to win this but I expect a better start.
Our defence just looks terrible
Author:  DHD [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:35 pm ]
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Kolasinac ducked.
Author:  gooner7 [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:36 pm ]
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Did Kola duck on that one?
Author:  Rich [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:39 pm ]
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11 out of 17 games we’ve conceded the first goal so far this season
Author:  long time gooner [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:41 pm ]
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gooner7 wrote:
Did Kola duck on that one?

Sure did.

And that after a game where we conceded deflected goals due to players turning their backs.
Author:  long time gooner [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:45 pm ]
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Knife. Butter. 0-2.
Author:  Rich [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:45 pm ]
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0-2
Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:45 pm ]
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If we keep them under 5 goals, I'll consider it a massive achievement.
Author:  Rich [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:46 pm ]
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This is embarrassing and it could get humiliating
Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:46 pm ]
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3-2 Arsenal win today.
Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:48 pm ]
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We press from their box and they pass through us so easily.
Author:  gooner7 [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:49 pm ]
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Too easy for them :20hospitals:
Author:  Rich [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:52 pm ]
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See City’s tactical fouling to stop any counter attack. 7 fouls already, we’ve only conceded 1 foul. We pressed high but 1 pass took out most of our team. The press has to be effective and if you can’t then you have to foul
Author:  thofman [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:57 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
gooner7 wrote:
Did Kola duck on that one?

Sure did.

And that after a game where we conceded deflected goals due to players turning their backs.

Don't expect that to change as long as Mertesacker is part of the coaching setup. He made turning his back an art form.
Author:  Rich [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:59 pm ]
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Some of our players go down so easily. It’s not even smart to make sure they win the free kick. Guendouzi, torriera and Pépé go down way too easily
Author:  kiwipete [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:59 pm ]
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gooner7 wrote:
Did Kola duck on that one?

and flapping around the the penalty area like lovesick seal for the second .
Author:  long time gooner [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:59 pm ]
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thofman wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
Sure did.

And that after a game where we conceded deflected goals due to players turning their backs.

Don't expect that to change as long as Mertesacker is part of the coaching setup. He made turning his back an art form.

Don’t let Bernard hear you say that :1laughter:
Author:  bubblechris [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 4:59 pm ]
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Don't worry chaps if can keep it to 2-0 we must be the second half form team.

3-2 to us :26surprise:
Author:  kiwipete [ Sun Dec 15, 2019 5:02 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Guendouzi, torriera and Pépé go down way too easily

Even more embarrassing when you watch the replay .... shocking . Not going to progress with an attitude like that .
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