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Author:  TOP GUN [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:40 am ]
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old man of hoy wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
How is calling English people revolting different to calling folks from other places revolting?
Well asked, Sir! Must say I find it hard to understand why anybody should object to the fans of a national team enjoying whatever success their team has. England supporters have hardly been over indulged! And when it all comes crashing down, which it will, we will take it for what it is.


:laughing7: it’s absolutely going to come crashing down and when it does I’m sure we will see the humour in the glorious failure whilst waiting for the accusation of arrogance being the reason for our exit.

Revolting ? I must have missed several thousand scottish lads in Hyde park waving their tadgers at tourists walking by singing songs about not being English however I can see the funny side in all of it. Bring it on.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 10:47 am ]
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long time gooner wrote:
What irks me is people who have no interest in a sport suddenly being over-involved and triumphant.

It’s like all those Brits who for a short while were hugely involved and ‘knowledgeable’ about ice dancing and figure skating. Lengthy reports in the paper and much celebration. Then Cousins, Curry, Torvill and Dean retired and the public promptly went back to business as usual.


Lengthy reports in the paper !

How traumatic :laughing7:

When France won the World Cup last time there was violence and looting. People even died. Not sure the behaviour in the UK is exceptional

I know what you mean though and there’s a fair amount of this around the time of major tournaments ..

https://youtu.be/Fvjk47UORFs

Author:  long time gooner [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:41 am ]
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Could be tricky for jingoistic support at Wimbledon this afternoon.

The ‘Brit’ was born in Toronto to a Romanian father and Chinese mother. Moved to London when 2 years old.

:laughing7: :bs: :laughing7:

Author:  Rich [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:59 am ]
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Some transfer news/rumours if anyone is interested.

Nketiah has rejected Arsenal's contract offer and will leave, Lverkusen and 3 premier league clubs are very interested

Arsenal have increased our offer for Ben White to £50m and Brighton have accepted it

Juve have upped their bid for Locatelli but the breakdown of the bid isn't acceptable and Arsenal are waiting in the wings with a better bid but the player wants Juve.

You can take all rumours with a pinch of salt but on the 'that sounds believable scale' I'd say all 3 sound pretty believable

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 12:27 pm ]
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Can't blame Nkeitiah, he's not likely to start and or even feature regularly on the bench. Not much of a choice between Juve and Arsenal regarding Locatelli.
Ben White knows he can come in pretty much start with us. Yes, he can start with Everton but we have more upside. There could always be a big defensive buy at City at any time. No guarantees there.

Author:  Hazuki [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 12:30 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
You can take all rumours with a pinch of salt but on the 'that sounds believable scale' I'd say all 3 sound pretty believable

Also, Guendouzi posted a farewell message to Arsenal on instagram and has since removed it. Think that one will be made official very soon.

Author:  warrior [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 12:39 pm ]
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For the Aussies ...

Family Court Ruling from Queensland Australia

A seven year old boy was at the centre of a courtroom drama yesterday when he challenged a court ruling over who should have custody of him.

The boy has a history of being beaten by his parents and the judge initially awarded custody to his aunt, in keeping with the child custody law and regulations requiring that family unity be maintained to the degree possible.


The boy surprised the court when he proclaimed that his aunt beat him more than his parents and he adamantly refused to live with her. When the judge suggested that he live with his grandparents, the boy cried out that they also beat him.


After considering the remainder of the immediate family and learning that domestic violence was apparently a way of life among them, the judge took the unprecedented step of allowing the boy to propose who should have custody of him.


After two recesses to check legal references and confer with child welfare officials, the judge granted temporary custody to the Queensland state of origin team, whom the boy firmly believes are not capable of beating anyone.

Author:  long time gooner [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:09 pm ]
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warrior wrote:
the Queensland state of origin team.

Had to Google that. :laughing7:

Author:  long time gooner [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:11 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Some transfer news/rumours if anyone is interested.

Nketiah has rejected Arsenal's contract offer and will leave, Lverkusen and 3 premier league clubs are very interested

Arsenal have increased our offer for Ben White to £50m and Brighton have accepted it

Juve have upped their bid for Locatelli but the breakdown of the bid isn't acceptable and Arsenal are waiting in the wings with a better bid but the player wants Juve.

You can take all rumours with a pinch of salt but on the 'that sounds believable scale' I'd say all 3 sound pretty believable

A whole heap of sodium chloride here http://www.skysports.com/share/12349144

Author:  Rich [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 1:54 pm ]
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The one thing I'd say about the Ben White saga is Arsenal had better have an alternative they are keen on as well because I can't believe City, Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool will let us have a free run at him. I expect one of them to come in and try and gazump our bid at the last minute

Author:  tomc [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 2:55 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
The one thing I'd say about the Ben White saga is Arsenal had better have an alternative they are keen on as well because I can't believe City, Man U, Chelsea and Liverpool will let us have a free run at him. I expect one of them to come in and try and gazump our bid at the last minute

Yep, I said exactly the same thing when our interest in him was first announced. Hope I'm wrong but unless young Mr White has got his heart set on the move I don't see him ending up at Arsenal.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:32 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
What irks me is people who have no interest in a sport suddenly being over-involved and triumphant.

It’s like all those Brits who for a short while were hugely involved and ‘knowledgeable’ about ice dancing and figure skating. Lengthy reports in the paper and much celebration. Then Cousins, Curry, Torvill and Dean retired and the public promptly went back to business as usual.

...happens in America as well. Every world cup every American male years ago would instantly become an expert in a sport they deemed for girls. Football is more popular now but they are just as ignorant. Interestingly enough in LA, at least, the latinos, many looked down upon, were far, far more knowledgeable and the only ones I could have a decent conversation with and I obviously didn't think I was an expert but at least could have a meaningful conversation.

I would hear office chatter and it was evident they read some article or saw an ESPN pundit show and repeated it.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:32 pm ]
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Author:  AmericanGooner [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:33 pm ]
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I don't have an opinion about his politics either way, it was just funny.

Author:  Decaf [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:34 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
How is calling English people revolting different to calling folks from other places revolting?

An Englishman calling some English people revolting in the context of how they'd celebrate a football victory is obviously not the same thing as an Englishman calling Irish people revolting in a more general sense. Not sure why that needs to be explained.

Nicely argued.

Author:  Rich [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:49 pm ]
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Runnarsson looks like he could be off on a permanent deal to Turkey

Author:  Zed [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:51 pm ]
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So since this 'revolting' fans topic started. Let's not forget tomorrow first will be those 'revolting' Spanish and Italian fans for their semi Euro match at Wembley that has to be endured. Followed on Weds by not only again all those 'revolting' English fans, but 'revolting' Danish fans at Wembley as well. So, basically, everybody's just plain 'revolting.

:14laughter: :laughing7:

Author:  TOP GUN [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:54 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
How is calling English people revolting different to calling folks from other places revolting?

An Englishman calling some English people revolting in the context of how they'd celebrate a football victory is obviously not the same thing as an Englishman calling Irish people revolting in a more general sense. Not sure why that needs to be explained.


Well it’s not some if Bernard is being truthful when saying he’d have to leave the country!

Let me tell you something not just about football but life in general, anyone who usually tells you to arbitrarily hate another large group of people for no reason is either a) mucking about b) untraveled, uneducated tosser or c) very dangerous

There are two kinds of people I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 6:57 pm ]
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Zed wrote:
So since this 'revolting' fans topic started. Let's not forget tomorrow first will be those 'revolting' Spanish and Italian fans for their semi Euro match at Wembley that has to be endured. Followed on Weds by not only again all those 'revolting' English fans, but 'revolting' Danish fans at Wembley as well. So, basically, everybody's just plain 'revolting.

:14laughter: :laughing7:

:laughing7:

A sickening orgy of joy, celebration and happiness.

Pure filth.

Author:  Gunfire [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:05 pm ]
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warrior wrote:
For the Aussies ...

Family Court Ruling from Queensland Australia

A seven year old boy was at the centre of a courtroom drama yesterday when he challenged a court ruling over who should have custody of him.

The boy has a history of being beaten by his parents and the judge initially awarded custody to his aunt, in keeping with the child custody law and regulations requiring that family unity be maintained to the degree possible.


The boy surprised the court when he proclaimed that his aunt beat him more than his parents and he adamantly refused to live with her. When the judge suggested that he live with his grandparents, the boy cried out that they also beat him.


After considering the remainder of the immediate family and learning that domestic violence was apparently a way of life among them, the judge took the unprecedented step of allowing the boy to propose who should have custody of him.


After two recesses to check legal references and confer with child welfare officials, the judge granted temporary custody to the Queensland state of origin team, whom the boy firmly believes are not capable of beating anyone.

Very good

Author:  Zed [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:24 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Zed wrote:
So since this 'revolting' fans topic started. Let's not forget tomorrow first will be those 'revolting' Spanish and Italian fans for their semi Euro match at Wembley that has to be endured. Followed on Weds by not only again all those 'revolting' English fans, but 'revolting' Danish fans at Wembley as well. So, basically, everybody's just plain 'revolting.

:14laughter: :laughing7:

:laughing7:

A sickening orgy of joy, celebration and happiness.

Pure filth.

Provocative decadence at its finest.

:icon_mrgreen1:

Author:  Zed [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:29 pm ]
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Of course AG. Most Americans are catching up recognising and acknowledging the world's most popular sport. No telling what football would be like had they'd invented it instead. Most likely a multitude of franchises. Spot on about Latino fans that do know the sport well enough.

Author:  Bernard [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:14 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Well it’s not some if Bernard is being truthful when saying he’d have to leave the country!

Let me tell you something not just about football but life in general, anyone who usually tells you to arbitrarily hate another large group of people for no reason is either a) mucking about b) untraveled, uneducated tosser or c) very dangerous

There are two kinds of people I can't stand in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures, and the Dutch.

I’m not going to leave the country but I am not going to enjoy being in this country, seeing all the media coverage and celebrations. Who knows, but my opinions on it might not be too different to how you saw the reaction of leavers after the Brexit vote?

If I had no commitments to meet domestically over the next couple or so weeks to keep me in the country, if England do win the final I would go abroad for a summer holiday. What’s wrong with that?

When have I ever told anyone to hate another group, unless you’re talking of someone else? I haven’t. I think England will win this competition and I’m going to find the celebrations and media coverage stomach churning. But I don’t think that’s a reason to hate anyone.

Author:  gooner7 [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:42 pm ]
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Brazil bossing Peru in Copa semi. Neymar enjoying himself.

Author:  mcquilkie [ Mon Jul 05, 2021 11:48 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
Could be tricky for jingoistic support at Wimbledon this afternoon.

The ‘Brit’ was born in Toronto to a Romanian father and Chinese mother. Moved to London when 2 years old.

:laughing7: :bs: :laughing7:

Sadly, beaten by a Croatian-born Australian who lives in Florida. It's a small world after all.

Author:  gooner7 [ Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:41 am ]
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Paqueta of Brazil and Lyon might be an interesting prospect to consider

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:54 am ]
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warrior wrote:
For the Aussies ...

Family Court Ruling from Queensland Australia

A seven year old boy was at the centre of a courtroom drama yesterday when he challenged a court ruling over who should have custody of him.

The boy has a history of being beaten by his parents and the judge initially awarded custody to his aunt, in keeping with the child custody law and regulations requiring that family unity be maintained to the degree possible.


The boy surprised the court when he proclaimed that his aunt beat him more than his parents and he adamantly refused to live with her. When the judge suggested that he live with his grandparents, the boy cried out that they also beat him.


After considering the remainder of the immediate family and learning that domestic violence was apparently a way of life among them, the judge took the unprecedented step of allowing the boy to propose who should have custody of him.


After two recesses to check legal references and confer with child welfare officials, the judge granted temporary custody to the Queensland state of origin team, whom the boy firmly believes are not capable of beating anyone.

I suppose if you are in a lockdown you have a distorted sense of humour.

Author:  long time gooner [ Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:42 am ]
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mcquilkie wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
Could be tricky for jingoistic support at Wimbledon this afternoon.

The ‘Brit’ was born in Toronto to a Romanian father and Chinese mother. Moved to London when 2 years old.

:laughing7: :bs: :laughing7:

Sadly, beaten by a Croatian-born Australian who lives in Florida. It's a small world after all.

:53big-emoticons: :53big-emoticons:

Author:  Rich [ Tue Jul 06, 2021 7:22 am ]
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Reading this morning how Barca can't yet register their new free transfer signings like Aguero until the reduce their wage bill to fall in line with La Liga rules. They really have messed up the club massively.

Also reading Rennes have admitted defeat in trying to get Camavinga to sign a new deal and with only 1 year left on his current deal he could be sold for just £25m. I'm sure they could push that up as that is extremely affordable for 20-30 clubs and every single one of those should want to sign this guy. Man U supposedly leading the chase.

Author:  Rich [ Tue Jul 06, 2021 8:09 am ]
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The Smith-Rowe and Villa interest is starting to get a bit more worrying, it is a story that won't go away. At least not until he signs his new contract. This doesn't seem like an agent touting interest to get his player a better contract as Villa are actually making bids - unless Villa are just listening to Smith-Rowe's agent and believing everything he says and the agent is playing both Arsenal AND Villa - which I can't believe could happen.

Every player has a price but in the situation we're in the club would have to be absolutely tone deaf to consider selling Smith-Rowe even at double his actual value. Any price that the fans may reluctantly accept was too stupidly high to refuse is probably only a price that 4-5 clubs in the world could afford right now.

Author:  david.d [ Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:44 am ]
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Rich wrote:
The Smith-Rowe and Villa interest is starting to get a bit more worrying, it is a story that won't go away. At least not until he signs his new contract. This doesn't seem like an agent touting interest to get his player a better contract as Villa are actually making bids - unless Villa are just listening to Smith-Rowe's agent and believing everything he says and the agent is playing both Arsenal AND Villa - which I can't believe could happen.

Every player has a price but in the situation we're in the club would have to be absolutely tone deaf to consider selling Smith-Rowe even at double his actual value. Any price that the fans may reluctantly accept was too stupidly high to refuse is probably only a price that 4-5 clubs in the world could afford right now.

Agreed Rich.
It is becoming worrying. What message does it send out to even consider selling one of the jewels in our crown to a club who finished below us.
I find Villa extremely irritating. They see themselves as a direct rival and are trying it on.
I cannot for the life of me understand why we have not told them firmly where to go and that he isnt for sale at any price.
This leads to the opinion that we DO have a price that we are prepared to sell at.
That is absolute madness if that is the case. We should be building the team around players like Smith Rowe. He really could be worth 70 to 80 million in a few years time.
What would selling him for 30 to 40 million actually achieve? What he can give us in footballing terms is far far more valuable and it would send out the completely wrong message that we really have lowered our ambitions if we cannot hold onto one of our young stars.
Arsenal fans would be in uproar and i simply cant see how Edu and Arteta can countenance such a thought as to be willing to sell him.
Securing him on a new contract was supposed to be a formality. He supposedly loves Arsenal and we surely can see how talented the boy is.
So what the **** is the delay.
I just dont get it.
The longer this goes on then the more the unimaginable becomes possible.
Surely not even Arsenal are that stupid.

Author:  Bernard [ Tue Jul 06, 2021 9:48 am ]
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Rich wrote:
The Smith-Rowe and Villa interest is starting to get a bit more worrying, it is a story that won't go away. At least not until he signs his new contract. This doesn't seem like an agent touting interest to get his player a better contract as Villa are actually making bids - unless Villa are just listening to Smith-Rowe's agent and believing everything he says and the agent is playing both Arsenal AND Villa - which I can't believe could happen.

Every player has a price but in the situation we're in the club would have to be absolutely tone deaf to consider selling Smith-Rowe even at double his actual value. Any price that the fans may reluctantly accept was too stupidly high to refuse is probably only a price that 4-5 clubs in the world could afford right now.

I agree with you Rich. I suppose the negative possibility is Smith Rowe being sold to part fund the £50m that Arsenal seem keen to spend on White. That’s not meant as any sort of observation of White’s capabilities as a player; just that I think it would be a shame to lose Smith Rowe to get him.

Author:  Bernard [ Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:24 am ]
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david.d wrote:
I find Villa extremely irritating. They see themselves as a direct rival and are trying it on.
I cannot for the life of me understand why we have not told them firmly where to go and that he isnt for sale at any price.
This leads to the opinion that we DO have a price that we are prepared to sell at.

Hi David. To be honest, while I agree with your overall views on this, I don’t blame Aston Villa for trying to improve themselves. Why shouldn’t they? I’m more inclined to blame the Arsenal hierarchy if Villa are being given any encouragement in their pursuit of Smith Rowe.

Hence it’s not Villa who are irritating me if they are being given encouragement by Arsenal. It’s those with the power at Arsenal.

Author:  gooner7 [ Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:36 am ]
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david.d wrote:
Surely not even Arsenal are that stupid.


Hmmm, Arsenal have been fairly stupid with their transfer deals for a while now

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:14 am ]
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Interesting observation Rich. My guess, just a guess, we won't sell Smith Rowe, even if the price seems inflated.
I'm guessing (and maybe its more hoping than anything else), The Arsenal will see that if Smith Rowe improves that price will always be there if not increase. But its only a guess. Too many wrong messages if he's sold. What do I know though, I've been surprised by a slew of transfers both in and out.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Tue Jul 06, 2021 12:46 pm ]
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Transfers, either in or out that Arsenal should or shouldn't have done and it would have changed things.

1. Anelka coming back. Wenger poo pooed it and my guess it wasn't in the interest of what is best for
Arsenal but Wenger being petty.

2. Fabregas coming back. Another Wenger turned down in large part out of being petty.

3. Giroud leaving. I wouldn't have sold him. He was productive off the bench. I saw it, other gooners saw it and other fans saw it. Chelsea saw it and got a lot of use out of it. I have a Chelsea supporting friend, who thought we were nuts. I wouldn't go that far, I get it, but I wouldn't have. We could have used continued to use him effectively off the bench with the occasional starts.

4. In January 2008 we had Diarra and Flamini and six months later had neither and are choosing between Song and Denilson. How the fudge did that happen?

5. From what I understand of the situation, we can't fully blame Arsenal for losing Gnabry, but I want to. :sad4:

Author:  TOP GUN [ Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:08 pm ]
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AmericanGooner wrote:
Transfers, either in or out that Arsenal should or shouldn't have done and it would have changed things.



4. In January 2008 we had Diarra and Flamini and six months later had neither and are choosing between Song and Denilson. How the fudge did that happen?



Yeah this one was mental and for me I felt at the time this was a clear indicator of Wenger losing it and that some of his players didn’t respect him and were taking him for a ride.

Diarra clearly a better player who ended up in Madrid and wenger maintaining flamini wanted to stay when it was clear he was off. To then ask flamini back after that because he couldn’t get a contract elsewhere and we were desperate, at that point it was obvious we had a troubled future.

This is the thing, you analyse the problems now under Arteta but we have had a failing culture for quite some time.

Author:  Zed [ Tue Jul 06, 2021 5:10 pm ]
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Regarding Emile Smith Rowe. Do keep in mind he's completely "blown away" by Villa's interest in all this. Also he's 20 years old and undoubtedly very excited and proud to have two clubs vying for his services. Who knows, he may be influenced by Emi Martinez's new found success at Villa.

Author:  Rich [ Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:37 pm ]
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AmericanGooner wrote:
3. Giroud leaving. I wouldn't have sold him. He was productive off the bench. I saw it, other gooners saw it and other fans saw it. Chelsea saw it and got a lot of use out of it. I have a Chelsea supporting friend, who thought we were nuts. I wouldn't go that far, I get it, but I wouldn't have. We could have used continued to use him effectively off the bench with the occasional starts.

This one needs to be put in more context to be fair. Arsenal wanted Aubameyang as an upgrade on Giroud. Dortmund wouldn’t let us have him without getting their own replacement who was Batshuyai from Chelsea who wouldn’t let him go without their own replacement which was Giroud.
Giroud accepted being a back up for a Chelsea team who consistently challenged for trophies but didn’t want to be a back up for us. We also needed a better striker than Giroud. It was all quite logical at the time.

The main strange bit to throw at Arsenal was we’d just bought Lacazette that summer then signed Aubameyang as another £50m striker and soon found out our two best and most expensive players couldn’t play in the same team together.

Author:  Rich [ Tue Jul 06, 2021 6:39 pm ]
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Zed wrote:
Regarding Emile Smith Rowe. Do keep in mind he's completely "blown away" by Villa's interest in all this. Also he's 20 years old and undoubtedly very excited and proud to have two clubs vying for his services. Who knows, he may be influenced by Emi Martinez's new found success at Villa.

Is he ‘blown away’ though?
He’s grown up at Arsenal who are clearly a bigger club than Villa and he’s in the first 11 when he’s been fit. By all accounts he could be given the vacant No.10 shirt next season.
In football terms alone there is no reason for him to desire Villa.

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