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Just finished reading Arsene's autobiography, which I got as a Christmas present - twice! If you are after scandal, gossip or recrimination, then you may as well pass it by. It is completely uncontroversial in that respect. Nor does it give much description of many Arsenal matches. While he pays tribute to his influences and the players he admires, he doesn't overdo the superlatives. Given his quick-wittedness in interviews I found it short on humour. The book scores on being an actual autobiography - i.e. a man writing more about himself than others. He is very interesting about his early years and open about his obsession with football and his problems in accepting defeat. His love for Arsenal is undoubted. Overall, as he would say, a sober account of a most individual man. Worth a read.

...So he's taking who threw the pizza to his grave then? :icon_mrgreen:

So, did you leave admiring him more, less or about the same?

Gaz from Oz wrote:

Now this might be a conspiracy theory from left field but do you think there is correlation between the increase in speed on the website on the internet with our teams ability to get the ball upfield quicker?

Happy New Year Gaz, Warrior and the other down-underers, antipodians, and East & SE Asians. :26encouragement:

Just about to light the braai here.

From the same fixtures last season (with equivalent promoted/relegated teams) Arsenal have 3 more points this season

RIP Tommy Docherty, one of football's great characters. Always connected to Chelsea and Man United, it is often overlooked that he played for Arsenal from 1958-1961. He came from Preston, where he was in dispute with that club when they tried to stop him going to the World Cup with Scotland. Failure to install an inside toilet in his house when his wife Agnes was pregnant was another bone of contention! The marble halls must have been especially alluring to Tom and Agnes.

My first ever attendance at Highbury was against WBA in 1958, and I recall now how he could be heard fiercely shouting directions to his team mates - a powerful, natural leader who inevitably became a charismatic manager. I hope you don't mind me sharing something I wrote about him a while ago:

"Tommy Docherty was no kibitzer. He practiced what he preached. Yes he had a restless mouth, and could be all turbulence and tentacles with opponents and teammates, but he roamed the pitch for Arsenal with a hungry heart. He relished Arsenal’s attacking intentions which squared with his own football instincts. ‘There is only one ball in this game of football and I would rather my team went looking for it than waiting until it was brought to them,’ he said. When he left to become Chelsea’s player-manager, out of respect to him Arsenal did not demand a transfer fee. Instead they stipulated every game he played for The Blues would cost £200, with a ceiling of £5,000. He played four times so Arsenal received £800."

old man of hoy wrote:

Great post Hoy, I never knew he played for us until today incredibly and I’m quite up on our history. Just missed me

Happy New Year from Philadelphia. Good luck and best wishes to you all in 21.

Worst signing
Willian for 3 years just pips Cédric for 4 years simply because Willian has been in the team doing nothing when the expectation was so much more.

Loved his quote about his managerial life.......as one door closes another.....smashes you in the face.

My guess its Soc or omoh.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/police-shut-d ... 18504.html
Police shut down illegal New Year rave in east London with thousands planning to attend parties

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/mikel-arteta-challenged-arsenal-star-23246038

Luiz comes to mind
Whoever it is, he is doing the right thing. Arteta needs to be called-out for his double standards. Please do not have Willian in the team against WBA.

AmericanGooner wrote:

My guess its Soc or omoh.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/police-shut-d ... 18504.html
Police shut down illegal New Year rave in east London with thousands planning to attend parties

I was intending to go but couldn't find my bus pass...

Rich wrote:

Worst signing
Willian for 3 years just pips Cédric for 4 years simply because Willian has been in the team doing nothing when the expectation was so much more.

Rich, think you’re being a bit harsh on Cédric. Not played many games but when he has, in the majority I don’t think he’s been bad at all. He was signed to be a competent back up defensive squad player. No more, no less. Myself, I think he’s satisfied that expectation.

Jefferson (Mustafi) lives.

(completely arcane American history quote from John Adams' last words on his deathbed)

Just saw a list of players we’ve lost and will lose for nothing and it’s no wonder we’re in the *%^@. Ramsey, Sanchez, Mikhytarayn, wilshere, Welbeck, Mustafi, Kolasinac, sokratis, Luiz, Özil etc who paid huge sums for and you have to shake your head.

Author:	Rich [ Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:09 pm ]
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Kolasinac joins Shalke on loan from tomorrow. Seems obvious that Martinelli will take his Europa League squad spot as Martinelli wasn’t registered previously.....but there will be a prem league squad spot free as Martinelli doesn’t need to count as one of our 17 non home grown players. So is that a space for Özil? Sokratis? Someone new?

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:17 pm ]
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old man of hoy wrote: Just finished reading Arsene's autobiography, which I got as a Christmas present - twice! If you are after scandal, gossip or recrimination, then you may as well pass it by. It is completely uncontroversial in that respect. Nor does it give much description of many Arsenal matches. While he pays tribute to his influences and the players he admires, he doesn't overdo the superlatives. Given his quick-wittedness in interviews I found it short on humour. The book scores on being an actual autobiography - i.e. a man writing more about himself than others. He is very interesting about his early years and open about his obsession with football and his problems in accepting defeat. His love for Arsenal is undoubted. Overall, as he would say, a sober account of a most individual man. Worth a read. So he's taking who threw the pizza to his grave then? So, did you leave admiring him more, less or about the same?

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Thu Dec 31, 2020 3:24 pm ]
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Living in LA for a number of years and having a number of latino friends, and a rudimentary level of spanish, I've heard them use it to each other and about other people in all manner of ways, from affectionate to derogatory. Not excusing it, just saying I'm familiar with its varied usage. Still, no matter how he meant it, it wasn't a good idea. Plenty of other more suitable, less offensive ways. https://thesportsrush.com/premier-leagu ... cial-post/

Author:	Rich [ Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:44 pm ]
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Bissouma made the 2nd most tackles in 2020 of all prem players.

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:24 pm ]
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A couple of these players are linked to and a couple of them I wish we were linked to. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55343197

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Author:	old man of hoy [ Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:54 pm ]
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AmericanGooner wrote: ...So he's taking who threw the pizza to his grave then? So, did you leave admiring him more, less or about the same? Hi AG - he does confirm Fabregas as the pizza delivery man. The book confirms many of his best qualities, especially his will power and loyalty to Arsenal. Interesting to note that both the beginning and end of his managership were very difficult times for him, yet he remained dignified through it all. The book is without any noticeable bitterness, pettiness or getting even, which is unusual in sporting autobiographies.

Author:	Gaz from Oz [ Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:28 pm ]
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Decaf wrote: Gaz from Oz wrote: Now this might be a conspiracy theory from left field but do you think there is correlation between the increase in speed on the website on the internet with our teams ability to get the ball upfield quicker? Happy New Year Gaz, Warrior and the other down-underers, antipodians, and East & SE Asians. Just about to light the braai here. Thanks. Slept thru the start but Happy new year to all. Absolutely belting down rain here and has been for a couple of hours.

Author:	old man of hoy [ Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:44 pm ]
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RIP Tommy Docherty, one of football's great characters. Always connected to Chelsea and Man United, it is often overlooked that he played for Arsenal from 1958-1961. He came from Preston, where he was in dispute with that club when they tried to stop him going to the World Cup with Scotland. Failure to install an inside toilet in his house when his wife Agnes was pregnant was another bone of contention! The marble halls must have been especially alluring to Tom and Agnes. My first ever attendance at Highbury was against WBA in 1958, and I recall now how he could be heard fiercely shouting directions to his team mates - a powerful, natural leader who inevitably became a charismatic manager. I hope you don't mind me sharing something I wrote about him a while ago: "Tommy Docherty was no kibitzer. He practiced what he preached. Yes he had a restless mouth, and could be all turbulence and tentacles with opponents and teammates, but he roamed the pitch for Arsenal with a hungry heart. He relished Arsenal’s attacking intentions which squared with his own football instincts. ‘There is only one ball in this game of football and I would rather my team went looking for it than waiting until it was brought to them,’ he said. When he left to become Chelsea’s player-manager, out of respect to him Arsenal did not demand a transfer fee. Instead they stipulated every game he played for The Blues would cost £200, with a ceiling of £5,000. He played four times so Arsenal received £800."

Author:	Bernard [ Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:13 pm ]
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old man of hoy wrote: RIP Tommy Docherty As a player he was well before my time but sad to hear he’s died. Trying to think of those who I saw play for Arsenal’s first team that have passed away. In alphabetical order of surnames: George Armstrong, Alan Ball, Tommy Caton, Jose Antonio Reyes, John Roberts, David Rocastle, Kevin Stead, Paul Vaessen spring to mind.

Author:	Rich [ Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:40 pm ]
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From the same fixtures last season (with equivalent promoted/relegated teams) Arsenal have 3 more points this season

Author:	Bernard [ Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:58 pm ]
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Rich wrote: From the same fixtures last season (with equivalent promoted/relegated teams) Arsenal have 3 more points this season Suppose we lost at home to Chelsea and away at Brighton last season so the last two games make a +6 point difference.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Thu Dec 31, 2020 11:35 pm ]
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old man of hoy wrote: RIP Tommy Docherty, one of football's great characters. Always connected to Chelsea and Man United, it is often overlooked that he played for Arsenal from 1958-1961. He came from Preston, where he was in dispute with that club when they tried to stop him going to the World Cup with Scotland. Failure to install an inside toilet in his house when his wife Agnes was pregnant was another bone of contention! The marble halls must have been especially alluring to Tom and Agnes. My first ever attendance at Highbury was against WBA in 1958, and I recall now how he could be heard fiercely shouting directions to his team mates - a powerful, natural leader who inevitably became a charismatic manager. I hope you don't mind me sharing something I wrote about him a while ago: "Tommy Docherty was no kibitzer. He practiced what he preached. Yes he had a restless mouth, and could be all turbulence and tentacles with opponents and teammates, but he roamed the pitch for Arsenal with a hungry heart. He relished Arsenal’s attacking intentions which squared with his own football instincts. ‘There is only one ball in this game of football and I would rather my team went looking for it than waiting until it was brought to them,’ he said. When he left to become Chelsea’s player-manager, out of respect to him Arsenal did not demand a transfer fee. Instead they stipulated every game he played for The Blues would cost £200, with a ceiling of £5,000. He played four times so Arsenal received £800." Great post Hoy, I never knew he played for us until today incredibly and I’m quite up on our history. Just missed me

Author:	Andy Green [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:20 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote: old man of hoy wrote: RIP Tommy Docherty, one of football's great characters. Always connected to Chelsea and Man United, it is often overlooked that he played for Arsenal from 1958-1961. He came from Preston, where he was in dispute with that club when they tried to stop him going to the World Cup with Scotland. Failure to install an inside toilet in his house when his wife Agnes was pregnant was another bone of contention! The marble halls must have been especially alluring to Tom and Agnes. My first ever attendance at Highbury was against WBA in 1958, and I recall now how he could be heard fiercely shouting directions to his team mates - a powerful, natural leader who inevitably became a charismatic manager. I hope you don't mind me sharing something I wrote about him a while ago: "Tommy Docherty was no kibitzer. He practiced what he preached. Yes he had a restless mouth, and could be all turbulence and tentacles with opponents and teammates, but he roamed the pitch for Arsenal with a hungry heart. He relished Arsenal’s attacking intentions which squared with his own football instincts. ‘There is only one ball in this game of football and I would rather my team went looking for it than waiting until it was brought to them,’ he said. When he left to become Chelsea’s player-manager, out of respect to him Arsenal did not demand a transfer fee. Instead they stipulated every game he played for The Blues would cost £200, with a ceiling of £5,000. He played four times so Arsenal received £800." Great post Hoy, I never knew he played for us until today incredibly and I’m quite up on our history. Just missed me Loved his quote about his managerial life.......as one door closes another.....smashes you in the face He put a great Man U team together Gordon Hill and Stevie Coppell on the flanks. Great football man.

Author:	Andy Green [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:26 am ]
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Happy New Year from Philadelphia. Good luck and best wishes to you all in 21.

Author:	Rich [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:12 am ]
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Arsenal linked with Silas Wamangituka, 21 year old, 6ft 2 Congolese right winger who plays for Stuttgart (Mislintat building that team), he’s scored 7 and assisted 3 in 13 games for them. The only thing I’ve seen from him is scoring a last minute winner in a 2-1 victory over Bremen. A gk and defender mix up left Wamangituka to freely run the ball in to an empty net from 30 yards, he decided to walk it in, stop on the line and only kick it over when the defender came to challenge him. The ref booked him for unsportsmanlike behaviour- you can see why because it is pretty disrespectful.....but, he could argue he was legally just using up as much time as possible as he knew his goal would give his team a 2-1 lead with only a few seconds to go so he wanted to use those seconds up so there was less chance of an equaliser.

Author:	Rich [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:49 am ]
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2020 Arsenal highs and lows Best game: Arsenal 2-1 Chelsea fa cup final. Obvious really. However bad 2020 felt we still had a major trophy to celebrate and for me it was the first one for my son to see us winning Best performance I really liked Wolves 0-2 Arsenal. It was a clinical, solid and dominant away performance against a very good side. Ditto the 1-0 away win at Man U. Partey that day gave a glimpse of what we might have in central midfield after a few seasons of no dynamism, strength and quality there. Arsenal 2-0 City in the cup final was good too. Worst game: Arsenal 0-1 Burnley felt really bad this year. We were losing to some good sides including wolves and villa but losing at home to such a limited side as Burnley was a huge low. Losing 2-1 at home to Olympiakos was a real kick in the guts as well. 120th minute winner then Aubameyang missed a sitter 30 seconds later to save our skin. Best goal: Martinelli v Chelsea - felt like an arrival moment of a fantastic young player Aubameyang v City in FA cup semi - felt like a team goal devised and executed to an exact plan on the training pitch against top class opposition Best player: First half of 2020 Aubameyang and a special mention to Martinez. Aubameyang’s goals carried us and won us a trophy Second half of 2020 Saka. Love everything about this kid, has had the team on his shoulders for most of this season at 19. His level never seems to drop whatever position he’s in. Worst player/ biggest disappointment: Hard to not look past Willian we expected him to hit the ground running. Also still waiting for Pépé to fulfil his obvious talent. Best signing Partey. He’s only played 270 minutes but it’s clear he’s already a huge step up in quality on anything we’ve had in central midfield for years Worst signing Willian for 3 years just pips Cédric for 4 years simply because Willian has been in the team doing nothing when the expectation was so much more.

Author:	Rich [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:27 am ]
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As from today all these players are free to negotiate a free transfer deal to happen in 6 months time. Lionel Messi Sergio Ramos Sergio Aguero David Alaba Memphis Depay Gini Wijnaldum Angel Di Maria Julian Draxler Jerome Boateng Gianluigi Donnarumma Olivier Giroud

Author:	DHD [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:33 am ]
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Happy New Year to all my Arsechums

Author:	Lincoln gooner [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:53 am ]
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Happy New Year to all. Surely it will be an improvement!

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 2:40 am ]
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omoh, i'll try to be as free of pettiness and rancor when I write my autobiography and discuss the SG Forum years. haha As for Docherty, SG forum gold. I remained on here early on in large part for the stories such as yours.

Author:	gooner7 [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:01 am ]
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football ... r-23246038 Luiz comes to mind Whoever it is, he is doing the right thing. Arteta needs to be called-out for his double standards. Please do not have Willian in the team against WBA.

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 4:14 am ]
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My guess its Soc or omoh. https://uk.yahoo.com/news/police-shut-d ... 18504.html Police shut down illegal New Year rave in east London with thousands planning to attend parties

Author:	Bernard [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 7:22 am ]
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Happy new year to everyone.

Author:	Rich [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 8:42 am ]
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Happy New Year everyone. Arsenal wishes for 2021 obviously to win some more trophies - Europa League would be top of my wish list. But other than that obvious one I’d like to see evidence that Arsenal are getting themselves in order and getting a 5 year plan to get us back to the top and to avoid all the mistakes we’ve made over the last 5 years. That or Kronke selling to a incredibly wealthy arsenal fan who is willing to pump millions in to the team!

Author:	Bernard [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:37 am ]
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Rich wrote: Worst signing Willian for 3 years just pips Cédric for 4 years simply because Willian has been in the team doing nothing when the expectation was so much more. Rich, think you’re being a bit harsh on Cédric. Not played many games but when he has, in the majority I don’t think he’s been bad at all. He was signed to be a competent back up defensive squad player. No more, no less. Myself, I think he’s satisfied that expectation.

Author:	old man of hoy [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:01 am ]
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Andy Green wrote: Loved his quote about his managerial life.......as one door closes another.....smashes you in the face. One of his I love - he described winger Danny Clapton's passing as "to whom it may concern".

Author:	Gaz from Oz [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:05 am ]
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gooner7 wrote: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/mikel-arteta-challenged-arsenal-star-23246038 Luiz comes to mind Whoever it is, he is doing the right thing. Arteta needs to be called-out for his double standards. Please do not have Willian in the team against WBA. Don’t know who challenged him but they were correct.

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:10 am ]
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old man of hoy wrote: AmericanGooner wrote: My guess its Soc or omoh. https://uk.yahoo.com/news/police-shut-d ... 18504.html Police shut down illegal New Year rave in east London with thousands planning to attend parties I was intending to go but couldn't find my bus pass...

Author:	Rich [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:41 am ]
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Bernard wrote: Rich wrote: Worst signing Willian for 3 years just pips Cédric for 4 years simply because Willian has been in the team doing nothing when the expectation was so much more. Rich, think you’re being a bit harsh on Cédric. Not played many games but when he has, in the majority I don’t think he’s been bad at all. He was signed to be a competent back up defensive squad player. No more, no less. Myself, I think he’s satisfied that expectation. Fair comment. The part that is frustrating from a signing point of view is it epitomised a bad period for us where we were controlled by a shady ceo and a super agent. The story goes that AMN told everyone he wanted to leave so arsenal decided a new RB was required, Cédric didn’t appear on any arsenal scout lists and Southampton thought he was going to drop down a level not step up to a club like us. He signed on big wages for 4 years. Nothing personal against him it was more the type of signing we should have been moving away from, old players, big wages, no sell on value.

Author:	Zed [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:23 am ]
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To all a very Happy New Year.

Author:	Rich [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:06 pm ]
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Sokratis has apparently reached an agreement with Fenerbache for a January transfer, but he’s also waiting on Napoli who might be interested. I doubt there is anything in the way of a fee as he only has 6 months left on his deal. Getting Sokratis and Kolasinac wages off the books even for 6 months could still save us £5m or so over those 6 months. Not to be sniffed at!

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:17 pm ]
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Jefferson (Mustafi) lives. (completely arcane American history quote from John Adams' last words on his deathbed)

Author:	mcquilkie [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:48 pm ]
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AmericanGooner wrote: Jefferson (Mustafi) lives. (completely arcane American history quote from John Adams' last words on his deathbed) Yes, that is quite arcane. Still, I'm assuming it's another of a seemingly endless line of hilarious jibes about someone who plays for a club you claim to support and who donated 16,000 meals to vulnerable people in Islington early last year. Keep the jokes coming, though - they're very, very funny.

Author:	Darren [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 2:20 pm ]
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Just saw a list of players we’ve lost and will lose for nothing and it’s no wonder we’re in the *%^@. Ramsey, Sanchez, Mikhytarayn, wilshere, Welbeck, Mustafi, Kolasinac, sokratis, Luiz, Özil etc who paid huge sums for and you have to shake your head.

Author:	Bored [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:00 pm ]
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Darren wrote: Just saw a list of players we’ve lost and will lose for nothing and it’s no wonder we’re in the *%^@. Ramsey, Sanchez, Mikhytarayn, wilshere, Welbeck, Mustafi, Kolasinac, sokratis, Luiz, Özil etc who paid huge sums for and you have to shake your head. Its astonishing isn't it. You would think that those in charge of managing these contracts should be blacklisted from working in any position that involves finance. Ever.

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Fri Jan 01, 2021 3:08 pm ]
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We always seem to be caught out with players who want to renew and they stall. We seem to let those contracts wind down and lose them for nothing or next to nothing when we could have gotten millions, often tens of millions.

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