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Author:  kiwipete [ Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:19 pm ]
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old man of hoy wrote:
kiwipete wrote:
...I'm almost haunted by that image ; the lonely figure sitting disconsolately on the bench in the Euro Champ final in what proved his final outing for Arsenal . One of Wenger's greatest cock ups in my book , removing Robert and not the huff and puff merchant Ljungberg . Henry / Pires was such a smooth well oiled attacking combo it would have forced Barcelona to keep more back , fearing a lightning counter attack thus in a way negating their man advantage .
Yes it was a shame Bob had to be substituted, but after Jens made his decisive rick, somebody from midfield had to be sacrificed. With the prospect of playing at least 70 minutes with ten men against such ball-hungry opponents, Arsene's decision to stand down the oldest Arsenal man on the field was understandable. He had to rely on his younger men to cover the ground, which they did so well. Ironic though that it was the veteran Larsson who came on and finished off our tiring side. Saddest memory for me was Dennis not kicking a ball in his only European Cup final - and the usually deadly Henry misfiring.

My contention was with Pires on the pitch Henry wouldn't have been misfiring as you put it . Freddie scored a lot of important goals but his link up play with Thierry was nowhere near the Pires /Henry combo .... their understanding was almost telepathic . We would have held the ball better and provided much more of a scoring threat ...so might not have had to resort to the seventy minutes of "all hands to the pump " that followed .

What's your thoughts on Djokovic ..... ?

my Aussie neighbours seem to have taken the advanced course on "How to win friends and influence people" ...first they pick an unwinnable trade war with the world's biggest economy , China ...... then they ban the world's No 1 tennis player .

They've got him housed in a facility with other illegal immigrants ....... food none to flash apparently ..

Think the only reason why he just doesn't get on a plane and b***ger off ; is this tournament is the first step to winning a Grand Slam ....?

I don't log tennis much these days but was very surprised considering the greats that have followed McEnroe , Connors , Borg , Federer , Djokovic, Sampras ...... that no-one has achieved a Grand Slam since the Rockhampton Rocket in 1969 .

Author:  Bernard [ Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:29 pm ]
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:brushteeth: e
TOP GUN wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
Anyone else concerned that we’re going to run out of players sometime soon? Covid, African Cup, injuries etc? We need to be super lucky I think. We have a very small nucleus.

183k new infections today so if this rate continues or increases it will mean you will have 1.8 million of the population in isolation permanently. That’s if they are bothering isolating.

Heard an interview with a doctor/health specialist recently who said Covid will probably end up being grouped similarly with normal flu. Annual jabs offered, as is the case with everyday flu, can be fatal but the big majority survive it as is the case with routine flu, but most just get on with life with typical flu and he thinks Coronavirus will end up the same.

Author:  Rich [ Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:32 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
Hazuki wrote:
At this point, I would definitely look to extenhad have I d Lacazette's contract. Even if he's overpaid for what he brings, he's a big part of this current job team, and we can't expect any new signing to hit the ground running - they might if we're lucky, but it's never a guarantee. In the meantime we need a striker option we know can deliver, and Lacazette has never complained about being a backup. From what I've seen he's always given everything he's got, even if he only comes on as a sub.

If Lacazette is refusing to extend his contract he obviously doesn’t want to and fancies moving on. I’m not sure we should look to break the bank by offering so much money to make him change his mind. We’ve experienced paying big money to Özil and Aubameyang and I think it’s reasonable to say it hasn’t worked in the club’s best interests.

If he’s so eager to go, and refusing to extend his contract implies that may be the case, I don’t support paying him barmy money to persuade him to alter his plans. He’s not even that exceptional a player. Good but not great is how he fits my definition. Keep him until the end of the season and say goodbye is my vote.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror ... 9140.ampqq

I read we have offered him a 12 month extension but understandably he wants more security than that. What would everyone say if he was willing to accept a 2 year extension with a very minor raise?

Author:  Bernard [ Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:37 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote:
I don't log tennis much these days but was very surprised considering the greats that have followed McEnroe , Connors , Borg , Federer , Djokovic, Sampras ...... that no-one has achieved a Grand Slam since the Rockhampton Rocket in 1969 .

I don’t watch or take any interest in tennis. Is the grand slam winning all the opens (American, Australian, French and Wimbledon) in one year? Who is the Rockhampton Rocket? Rod Laver must have been around in 1969, so was it him?

Author:  kiwipete [ Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:42 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
Hazuki wrote:
At this point, I would definitely look to extenhad have I d Lacazette's contract. Even if he's overpaid for what he brings, he's a big part of this current job team, and we can't expect any new signing to hit the ground running - they might if we're lucky, but it's never a guarantee. In the meantime we need a striker option we know can deliver, and Lacazette has never complained about being a backup. From what I've seen he's always given everything he's got, even if he only comes on as a sub.

If Lacazette is refusing to extend his contract he obviously doesn’t want to and fancies moving on. I’m not sure we should look to break the bank by offering so much money to make him change his mind. We’ve experienced paying big money to Özil and Aubameyang and I think it’s reasonable to say it hasn’t worked in the club’s best interests.

If he’s so eager to go, and refusing to extend his contract implies that may be the case, I don’t support paying him barmy money to persuade him to alter his plans. He’s not even that exceptional a player. Good but not great is how he fits my definition. Keep him until the end of the season and say goodbye is my vote.


Totally agree ........ my old fashioned thinking modern players get paid far too much money and the Club is always bigger than any player .

People will prattle on about all number of things his hold up play , work rate , leadership , example to young players etc etc etc but in truth he is failing in what we want from him ....SCORE GOALS .
Signs are Arteta has more backbone than I originally gave him credit for .... players and their agents want to play High Stakes Texas Hold Em ..... ADIOS amigo .... I'm a bit over these gushy flaky French speakers ... offload Aubameyang , Lacazette and Pépé

What about this Jokic ..? time for a clinical hard nosed Eastern European

Author:  Bernard [ Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:43 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Bernard wrote:
If Lacazette is refusing to extend his contract he obviously doesn’t want to and fancies moving on. I’m not sure we should look to break the bank by offering so much money to make him change his mind. We’ve experienced paying big money to Özil and Aubameyang and I think it’s reasonable to say it hasn’t worked in the club’s best interests.

If he’s so eager to go, and refusing to extend his contract implies that may be the case, I don’t support paying him barmy money to persuade him to alter his plans. He’s not even that exceptional a player. Good but not great is how he fits my definition. Keep him until the end of the season and say goodbye is my vote.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror ... 9140.ampqq

I read we have offered him a 12 month extension but understandably he wants more security than that. What would everyone say if he was willing to accept a 2 year extension with a very minor raise?

I’d still say goodbye this summer. Lacazette isn’t a great player and needs to be replaced by someone younger with the potential to become an elite player, in line with our current transfer policy.

Author:  kiwipete [ Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:44 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
kiwipete wrote:
I don't log tennis much these days but was very surprised considering the greats that have followed McEnroe , Connors , Borg , Federer , Djokovic, Sampras ...... that no-one has achieved a Grand Slam since the Rockhampton Rocket in 1969 .

I don’t watch or take any interest in tennis. Is the grand slam winning all the opens (American, Australian, French and Wimbledon) in one year? Who is the Rockhampton Rocket? Rod Laver must have been around in 1969, so was it him?

Correct on both counts Bernard ......... the Slam and the Rocket .

Author:  Hazuki [ Fri Jan 07, 2022 8:44 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
I read we have offered him a 12 month extension but understandably he wants more security than that. What would everyone say if he was willing to accept a 2 year extension with a very minor raise?

That was what I had in mind. He's already overpaid, so a massive rise is probably out of the question if he wants one. I would keep him as a transition player for two years if it's possible, seems to be a good character for the dressing room and we need some experience in our young team.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Fri Jan 07, 2022 9:13 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
:brushteeth: e
TOP GUN wrote:
183k new infections today so if this rate continues or increases it will mean you will have 1.8 million of the population in isolation permanently. That’s if they are bothering isolating.

Heard an interview with a doctor/health specialist recently who said Covid will probably end up being grouped similarly with normal flu. Annual jabs offered, as is the case with everyday flu, can be fatal but the big majority survive it as is the case with routine flu, but most just get on with life with typical flu and he thinks Coronavirus will end up the same.

This makes sense really, the alternative is 2 or 3 million workers isolating at any time. Not sure the country can cope with that.

Author:  dec [ Fri Jan 07, 2022 11:21 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
Rich wrote:
I read we have offered him a 12 month extension but understandably he wants more security than that. What would everyone say if he was willing to accept a 2 year extension with a very minor raise?

I’d still say goodbye this summer. Lacazette isn’t a great player and needs to be replaced by someone younger with the potential to become an elite player, in line with our current transfer policy.

I would be saying au revoir also. He certainly isn't a great player. Is he even good these days? He has scored 3 league goals this season. There are question marks about his fitness too as he can't seem to last 90 minutes, which is pretty poor for a 30 year old. He is just about good enough as a back-up centre forward for where we want to be.

Author:  gooner7 [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:12 am ]
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Rich wrote:
I read we have offered him a 12 month extension but understandably he wants more security than that. What would everyone say if he was willing to accept a 2 year extension with a very minor raise?


We've had very bad experiences with Özil, then Aubameyang when we took this route. Will Lacazette end up similarly?
If the extension is to allow Balogun and/or Nketiah time to be our main forward, then it is not a bad move.
Otherwise, better to get a top striker to replace right now.

Author:  gooner7 [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:34 am ]
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https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/ ... dium=email

All the best AMN!
I hope you do well in Roma.

IMO, there are irreconcilable differences between Arteta and AMN, thus AMN's decision to go, and Arteta's reluctance to give him more playing time.
Areta's the boss, so he holds the cards. Wise move AMN.

Author:  warrior [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:51 am ]
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Aubameyang has covid after partying.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footb ... Dubai.html

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 3:06 am ]
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There is an NFL player who basically quit the team on the field of play...lol. He took off his shirt and threw it, publicly giving a symbolic finger to his team.

Aubameyang isn't as aggressive but he's basically givng Arsenal every reason to sell him. He is on high wages, over 30 so will be a wee bit difficult to sell. Didn't I hear Newcastle wanted him?

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 6:24 am ]
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AmericanGooner wrote:
There is an NFL player who basically quit the team on the field of play...lol. He took off his shirt and threw it, publicly giving a symbolic finger to his team.

Aubameyang isn't as aggressive but he's basically givng Arsenal every reason to sell him. He is on high wages, over 30 so will be a wee bit difficult to sell. Didn't I hear Newcastle wanted him?

At Arsenal we take this very seriously - we continue to play them and give them a contract extension ala Xhaka

Author:  bubblechris [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:37 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Bernard wrote:
:brushteeth: e
Heard an interview with a doctor/health specialist recently who said Covid will probably end up being grouped similarly with normal flu. Annual jabs offered, as is the case with everyday flu, can be fatal but the big majority survive it as is the case with routine flu, but most just get on with life with typical flu and he thinks Coronavirus will end up the same.

This makes sense really, the alternative is 2 or 3 million workers isolating at any time. Not sure the country can cope with that.


U what? Are you a flaming scientist now? Strange how you always seem weeks behind me but I'm accused of being a loonies.

Author:  Rich [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 7:55 am ]
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Rumours last night that Atlético Madrid want Cédric on loan and will look to move for him permanently in the summer. I’m not sure our squad has enough cover to let him go right now, especially with AMN gone. But it would be good to move him on in the summer.

Author:  Decaf [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 8:55 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
Rich wrote:
I read we have offered him a 12 month extension but understandably he wants more security than that. What would everyone say if he was willing to accept a 2 year extension with a very minor raise?

I’d still say goodbye this summer. Lacazette isn’t a great player and needs to be replaced by someone younger with the potential to become an elite player, in line with our current transfer policy.

I would be in favour of him staying. We still need a long term replacement for Aubameyang of course, but I doubt we could do better than Lacazette as a 2nd choice, both because of his style of play and his character.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:27 am ]
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The Lacazette situation is slightly similar to xhaka in as much as both players try hard but have their limitations and it’s not what you see them doing on the pitch is largely wrong (slightly different for granit) but mostly what you don’t see them doing on the pitch that’s the problem.

Lacazette doesn’t attack the 6 yard box anymore and practically misses all of his half chances. The amount of time I’ve seen shots hit directly at goalkeepers is absurd. Everton for example. Imagine If you had a Kane type getting those chances and also scoring a lot of those half chances we always miss. Could make us contenders. We aren’t ruthless in front of goal.

Out for me and I’d be looking to actually get a couple of new strikers if we could stretch the budget. Maybe a Alan smith type focal point as well as a live wire Ian wright type who could offer a different alternative

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:34 am ]
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Decaf wrote:
Bernard wrote:
I’d still say goodbye this summer. Lacazette isn’t a great player and needs to be replaced by someone younger with the potential to become an elite player, in line with our current transfer policy.

I would be in favour of him staying. We still need a long term replacement for Aubameyang of course, but I doubt we could do better than Lacazette as a 2nd choice, both because of his style of play and his character.

He’s a 1 in 3 striker. There’s plenty of them about you can get if you want backup. Martial for example.

To win titles you need a 1 in 2 like Kane or Ian Wright

Author:  Bernard [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:39 am ]
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Decaf wrote:
Bernard wrote:
I’d still say goodbye this summer. Lacazette isn’t a great player and needs to be replaced by someone younger with the potential to become an elite player, in line with our current transfer policy.

I would be in favour of him staying. We still need a long term replacement for Aubameyang of course, but I doubt we could do better than Lacazette as a 2nd choice, both because of his style of play and his character.

Morning Decaf. Apparently Lacazette is on £9.5m per year. If Rich is right and he’s refusing to sign an extension with Arsenal because he wants a two year deal, I think it’s utterly barmy spending anything like £19m on someone over the next two years who will be no more than a bit part player for that period of time. Sorry, we’ve been in this situation with Özil (albeit his salary was far higher) and are currently in it with Aubameyang. We really don’t want to get ourselves in it again.

To ensure him going on good terms the club should politely say goodbye at the end of this season, thank him for his time as a player with us and wish him the best of luck in the future.


https://www.google.com/search?q=lacazet ... e&ie=UTF-8

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:46 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
Decaf wrote:
I would be in favour of him staying. We still need a long term replacement for Aubameyang of course, but I doubt we could do better than Lacazette as a 2nd choice, both because of his style of play and his character.

Morning Decaf. Apparently Lacazette is on £9.5m per year. If Rich is right and he’s refusing to sign an extension with Arsenal because he wants a two year deal, I think it’s utterly barmy spending anything like £19m on someone over the next two years who will be no more than a bit part player for that period of time. Sorry, we’ve been in this situation with Özil (albeit his salary was far higher) and are currently in it with Aubameyang. We really don’t want to get ourselves in it again.

To ensure him going on good terms the club should politely say goodbye at the end of this season, thanks him for his time as a player with us and wish him the best of luck in the future.


https://www.google.com/search?q=lacazet ... e&ie=UTF-8


Interesting and I totally agree.

Btw Dominic Calvert lewin is on 3.7 million a year apparently to Lacazettes 9.5. You could offer him rise and finance his transfer on payments. I’m not saying he’s the answer to all our prayers but it shows 2 things one is that some of our high wage earners have done ok but not really been all that and two is that getting rid of these players is providing us with loads of options to refresh our attack. Getting rid of Lacazette and aubameyang will free up 500k a week. That’s huge budget to refresh things

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:50 am ]
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Jeez Lacazette is on more salary than Ollie Watkins and Calvert lewin combined.

The club must be desperate to move these guys on.

Author:  Decaf [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 9:53 am ]
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kiwipete wrote:
old man of hoy wrote:
Yes it was a shame Bob had to be substituted, but after Jens made his decisive rick, somebody from midfield had to be sacrificed. With the prospect of playing at least 70 minutes with ten men against such ball-hungry opponents, Arsene's decision to stand down the oldest Arsenal man on the field was understandable. He had to rely on his younger men to cover the ground, which they did so well. Ironic though that it was the veteran Larsson who came on and finished off our tiring side. Saddest memory for me was Dennis not kicking a ball in his only European Cup final - and the usually deadly Henry misfiring.

My contention was with Pires on the pitch Henry wouldn't have been misfiring as you put it . Freddie scored a lot of important goals but his link up play with Thierry was nowhere near the Pires /Henry combo .... their understanding was almost telepathic . We would have held the ball better and provided much more of a scoring threat ...so might not have had to resort to the seventy minutes of "all hands to the pump " that followed .

What's your thoughts on Djokovic ..... ?

my Aussie neighbours seem to have taken the advanced course on "How to win friends and influence people" ...first they pick an unwinnable trade war with the world's biggest economy , China ...... then they ban the world's No 1 tennis player .

They've got him housed in a facility with other illegal immigrants ....... food none to flash apparently ..

Think the only reason why he just doesn't get on a plane and b***ger off ; is this tournament is the first step to winning a Grand Slam ....?

I don't log tennis much these days but was very surprised considering the greats that have followed McEnroe , Connors , Borg , Federer , Djokovic, Sampras ...... that no-one has achieved a Grand Slam since the Rockhampton Rocket in 1969 .


The oddest is Borg, who managed to dominate on Wimbledon on grass and the French open on clay but couldn't win the US open (which I think was played on clay then) and didn't bother with the Australian open (which was also played on grass back then). He also retired ridiculously early.

I suppose the other modern greats (Sampras, Federer, Nadal, Djokovic) have struggled to dominate on all surfaces. Federer had the misfortune of running up against Nadal who was unbeatable on clay.

You are right that Djokovic probably has an excellence chance this year and the clock is ticking for him.

Author:  Bernard [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:06 am ]
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Decaf wrote:
The oddest is Borg, who managed to dominate on Wimbledon on grass and the French open on clay but couldn't win the US open (which I think was played on clay then) and didn't bother with the Australian open (which was also played on grass back then). He also retired ridiculously early.

A few days ago I went to Welwyn Garden City (my wife and I are looking to buy a new tumble dryer). John Lewis (one of the stores we’re considering getting it from) were selling Bjorn Borg underwear. I don’t suppose his underwear firm explains him retiring early (must admit I didn’t know he did), but he obviously has one.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:37 am ]
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Maybe playing the host country in the first round after group stages? I don't know, hadn't realized how good the team was.

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Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:38 am ]
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Rich wrote:
Rumours last night that Atlético Madrid want Cédric on loan and will look to move for him permanently in the summer. I’m not sure our squad has enough cover to let him go right now, especially with AMN gone. But it would be good to move him on in the summer.

I suppose you have chambers and tomiyasu plus Ben white who can cover. 3 players

He’s on 75k a week to barely play any minutes on a long term contract . Seems a good opportunity to move him on as I’m not sure we will get many offers to take him off our hands

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:41 am ]
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AmericanGooner wrote:
Maybe playing the host country in the first round after group stages? I don't know, hadn't realized how good the team was.

The answer to the blokes question actually lies in the photo.

Scholes, Beckham, lampard and gerrard all shoehorned into the same midfield. Completely unbalanced

Author:  mcquilkie [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 10:54 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
AmericanGooner wrote:
Maybe playing the host country in the first round after group stages? I don't know, hadn't realized how good the team was.

The answer to the blokes question actually lies in the photo.

Scholes, Beckham, lampard and gerrard all shoehorned into the same midfield. Completely unbalanced

Yep. And Rooney only got nine league goals that season, Owen 16 (thanks, Wiki), so it wasn't exactly a powerhouse strike force.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:09 am ]
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It’s simply just not a fair and equal society. There’s an establishment and we ain’t part of it.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... corporated

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:10 am ]
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mcquilkie wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
The answer to the blokes question actually lies in the photo.

Scholes, Beckham, lampard and gerrard all shoehorned into the same midfield. Completely unbalanced

Yep. And Rooney only got nine league goals that season, Owen 16 (thanks, Wiki), so it wasn't exactly a powerhouse strike force.

The strikers were fine and not debatable for their inclusion but the manger bucked the decision of dropping a favourite son from Chelsea, united and Liverpool which was the issue.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 11:20 am ]
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I always enjoy interviews with the retired players because they have stories that we didn't know about it at the time.

This may also explain why some believe Wenger didn't really know how to coach defenders.

https://www.facebook.com/www.SportsJOE.co.uk/videos/607490317048968/?extid=CL-UNK-UNK-UNK-AN_GK0T-GK1C&ref=sharing

Author:  mcquilkie [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 12:09 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
mcquilkie wrote:
Yep. And Rooney only got nine league goals that season, Owen 16 (thanks, Wiki), so it wasn't exactly a powerhouse strike force.

The strikers were fine and not debatable for their inclusion but the manger bucked the decision of dropping a favourite son from Chelsea, united and Liverpool which was the issue.

I'm not debating their inclusion, just saying that 25 goals all-up from your strikers in the preceding league season doesn't suggest a world-class strike force - never mind that a less than world-class goalkeeper and, as you say, an unbalanced midfield, might have been an impediment.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 12:26 pm ]
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So interesting. Who was right, who was wrong? I often hear of players confronting the boss about their playing time, etc. I am reminded of Jack Nicholson's character in 'A Few Good Men'
"You can't handle the truth!". I have had bosses that treated me badly. I personally didn't confront them. I made a decision to leave. Going into their office and arguing is a battle you won't win. You are a subordinate. The best you can do is ask for advice on what you need to improve things but I'm even wary of that. I bided my time and moved on. This tactic is not so easy in football. But were I a teammate of Rose or someone he came to, I wouldn't have advised him to go into the office, especially with that speech. Ask for advice on what he can do is the only thing I'd have said he should say if he was going to go to speak to him no matter what. I'd advise to go to your agent, put feelers out there. I'm not sure when this period was but one boss I had I knew would be sacked at some point. He was god awful and almost a year later he was let go.




Author:  kiwipete [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 1:03 pm ]
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Decaf wrote:
kiwipete wrote:
My contention was with Pires on the pitch Henry wouldn't have been misfiring as you put it . Freddie scored a lot of important goals but his link up play with Thierry was nowhere near the Pires /Henry combo .... their understanding was almost telepathic . We would have held the ball better and provided much more of a scoring threat ...so might not have had to resort to the seventy minutes of "all hands to the pump " that followed .

What's your thoughts on Djokovic ..... ?

my Aussie neighbours seem to have taken the advanced course on "How to win friends and influence people" ...first they pick an unwinnable trade war with the world's biggest economy , China ...... then they ban the world's No 1 tennis player .

They've got him housed in a facility with other illegal immigrants ....... food none to flash apparently ..

Think the only reason why he just doesn't get on a plane and b***ger off ; is this tournament is the first step to winning a Grand Slam ....?

I don't log tennis much these days but was very surprised considering the greats that have followed McEnroe , Connors , Borg , Federer , Djokovic, Sampras ...... that no-one has achieved a Grand Slam since the Rockhampton Rocket in 1969 .


The oddest is Borg, who managed to dominate on Wimbledon on grass and the French open on clay but couldn't win the US open (which I think was played on clay then) and didn't bother with the Australian open (which was also played on grass back then). He also retired ridiculously early.

I suppose the other modern greats (Sampras, Federer, Nadal, Djokovic) have struggled to dominate on all surfaces. Federer had the misfortune of running up against Nadal who was unbeatable on clay.

You are right that Djokovic probably has an excellence chance this year and the clock is ticking for him.

Decaf ... you show an amazing grasp of the tennis world ... I've got it ...... Old Man wished he'd had it

Author:  old man of hoy [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 1:53 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote:
What's your thoughts on Djokovic?
I have never warmed to him as an individual, but what a great player he is. Aussies loving sport as they do, I can see why the organisers would want him at the Open - it would not be the same without him.

I haven't followed the detail of it, but if an exemption system is in place, and he meets the criteria, then shouldn't he be allowed to play? If he was an ordinary Joe meeting the criteria, there would be no issue - his fame works against him in this instance. Just because he is the best tennis player on the planet he should not be pressured into revealing his own vaccination status or views on the issue. He doesn't strike me as a guy who can be forced to do anything - a very strong-minded man.

Author:  Decaf [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 1:54 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote:
Decaf wrote:

The oddest is Borg, who managed to dominate on Wimbledon on grass and the French open on clay but couldn't win the US open (which I think was played on clay then) and didn't bother with the Australian open (which was also played on grass back then). He also retired ridiculously early.

I suppose the other modern greats (Sampras, Federer, Nadal, Djokovic) have struggled to dominate on all surfaces. Federer had the misfortune of running up against Nadal who was unbeatable on clay.

You are right that Djokovic probably has an excellence chance this year and the clock is ticking for him.

Decaf ... you show an amazing grasp of the tennis world ... I've got it ...... Old Man wished he'd had it

Sadly, my abilities never matched by enthusiasm for the game. Even the latter has waned in recent years.

Author:  old man of hoy [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:09 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Supporters Forum

Decaf wrote:
kiwipete wrote:
My contention was with Pires on the pitch Henry wouldn't have been misfiring as you put it . Freddie scored a lot of important goals but his link up play with Thierry was nowhere near the Pires /Henry combo .... their understanding was almost telepathic . We would have held the ball better and provided much more of a scoring threat ...so might not have had to resort to the seventy minutes of "all hands to the pump " that followed .

What's your thoughts on Djokovic ..... ?

my Aussie neighbours seem to have taken the advanced course on "How to win friends and influence people" ...first they pick an unwinnable trade war with the world's biggest economy , China ...... then they ban the world's No 1 tennis player .

They've got him housed in a facility with other illegal immigrants ....... food none to flash apparently ..

Think the only reason why he just doesn't get on a plane and b***ger off ; is this tournament is the first step to winning a Grand Slam ....?

I don't log tennis much these days but was very surprised considering the greats that have followed McEnroe , Connors , Borg , Federer , Djokovic, Sampras ...... that no-one has achieved a Grand Slam since the Rockhampton Rocket in 1969 .


The oddest is Borg, who managed to dominate on Wimbledon on grass and the French open on clay but couldn't win the US open (which I think was played on clay then) and didn't bother with the Australian open (which was also played on grass back then). He also retired ridiculously early.

I suppose the other modern greats (Sampras, Federer, Nadal, Djokovic) have struggled to dominate on all surfaces. Federer had the misfortune of running up against Nadal who was unbeatable on clay.

You are right that Djokovic probably has an excellence chance this year and the clock is ticking for him.
Borg is my favourite player - I loved his public demeanour, his intense concentration and his ability to deliver under pressure. Before him the greats for me were all Aussies - the powerful Hoad, the artist Rosewall, the phenomenal Rocket Rod and the film star John Newcombe. I like a bit of dignity in a champion so for me Sampras and Federer score high, and Connors and McEnroe don't.

Author:  dec [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Supporters Forum

TOP GUN wrote:
Jeez Lacazette is on more salary than Ollie Watkins and Calvert lewin combined.

The club must be desperate to move these guys on.

To be fair to the club, a player of Lacazette's age is bound to be on a lot more money than much younger players at Villa or Everton.

I wouldn't have any issue with giving biggish contracts to older players, especially as our squad is probably too young now. They need to be good though and Lacazette isn't good enough.

Author:  dec [ Sat Jan 08, 2022 2:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Supporters Forum

I remember reading that Borg really didn't like the US Open and found it difficult to concentrate on his serve because he was distracted by the planes flying overhead. Sounds a bit mad but he was no normal player so it is somewhat believable. 11 slams, retired at 26 and never played the Aussie Open. It is a staggering record.

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