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Author:  Bored [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:23 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
I’d swap about half our FA cups for just one champions league trophy

Actually I’d swap our invincible season too for one and I bet Arsene would have as well.

:1cry: :1cry:


Interesting question. Would you swap out invincible season for a Champions League trophy? I’m not sure if I would.

Author:  warrior [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:34 pm ]
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Alright - Just put on The Ipcress File on Bernards recommendation.

See how we go ... ;-)

Author:  TOP GUN [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:48 pm ]
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Bored wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
I’d swap about half our FA cups for just one champions league trophy

Actually I’d swap our invincible season too for one and I bet Arsene would have as well.

:1cry: :1cry:


Interesting question. Would you swap out invincible season for a Champions League trophy? I’m not sure if I would.

100%

Actually I think my proudest moment following Arsenal was possibly when we got to the final and gave Barca a run for their money. The club I started watching as a kid had grown so much to reach that level. Quite proud

Author:  TOP GUN [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:51 pm ]
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warrior wrote:
Alright - Just put on The Ipcress File on Bernards recommendation.

See how we go ... ;-)

Sweet dreams ZZZZ

Author:  TOP GUN [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:02 pm ]
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Game off. Told you

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:02 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Rich wrote:
Arsenal have been charged by the FA for 'failing to ensure its players conducted themselves in an orderly fashion in the 59th minute' of the City game.

Honestly, it is hard not to feel targeted. In that incident we had 1 player booked for dissent to the ref (an incident which will always just be a case of one persons word against another - but one the ref will always win). How many other sides already this season have visibly complained and surrounded a ref after a controversial decision went against them, and how many of them faced an FA charge?

It feels like because the match and the incidents have gained so much noise in the media the FA are doubling down on their decisions and backing the ref by instigating these charges.

They never give us a fair run. I still don’t understand how we got docked more points than United in 91

Wasn't it because we'd had a brawl v Norwich as well? There have been countless examples of brawls in football matches since and no points ever docked. A good example of mayhem would be the Chelsea v Spurs game where Spurs imploded to finish 3rd in a 2 horse title race, when Hazard scored the late equaliser. Just as bad as anything at Old Trafford and there will be countless more examples

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:02 pm ]
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Balogun very close to a loan move to Middlesbrough

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:04 pm ]
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Karuis the Liverpool GK has tested negative for Covid, so thats their GK situation sorted. All they need is 13 other negative tests from their first team and U23 squad of probably 50 players and the game should be on

Author:  warrior [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:15 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Game off. Told you

https://www.bbc.com/sport/live/football/59879201

Author:  Bernard [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:15 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Bored wrote:
Interesting question. Would you swap out invincible season for a Champions League trophy? I’m not sure if I would.

100%

I would as well. The most prestigious club competition in European football and Arsenal have never won it.

Author:  Bernard [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:17 pm ]
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warrior wrote:
Alright - Just put on The Ipcress File on Bernards recommendation.

See how we go ... ;-)

If you have good taste I’m sure you’ll enjoy it.

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:39 pm ]
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First leg at Anfield on Jan 13th
Second leg at Emirates on Jan 20th
Arsenal scheduled to play Burnley at home on Jan 22nd - this must surely be put back 24 hours as teams never have to play on Thursday and Saturday. The trouble is that on the Sunday 23rd Jan Chelsea play Spurs at home - would the Police really want Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs fans all crossing paths in London for the same kick off times?

Gabriel will also serve his suspension vs Forrest now

Author:  Bored [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:41 pm ]
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The great Brian Clough saying he admires Forest's 42 game unbeaten run more than their European Cup victories.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzYPN3igOX4

Author:  Zed [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:45 pm ]
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EFL Cup match called off as soon as was reported assistant coach Pep Lijnders got Covid.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:46 pm ]
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Bored wrote:
The great Brian Clough saying he admires Forest's 42 game unbeaten run more than their European Cup victories.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzYPN3igOX4

That’s great kind comments and all that but without cloughie winning those European cups himself I doubt he would have even been asked for his opinion on the matter which in essence summarises nicely why it’s so important

Author:  Bernard [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:52 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
First leg at Anfield on Jan 13th
Second leg at Emirates on Jan 20th

Interesting the order of the semi-final in terms of venue has been changed. Initially the first leg was at the Emirates and the second leg at Anfield. Now the second leg is at the Emirates. I’m comfortable with that as if there’s extra time it has to be advantageous to have it at home. Or if it goes straight to penalties it’s beneficial to have the shoot out at home.

Author:  Zed [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:57 pm ]
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Naturally Liverpool's FA cup match at home Jan. 9 against Shrewsbury is still on calendar.

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 3:09 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
Rich wrote:
First leg at Anfield on Jan 13th
Second leg at Emirates on Jan 20th

Interesting the order of the semi-final in terms of venue has been changed. Initially the first leg was at the Emirates and the second leg at Anfield. Now the second leg is at the Emirates. I’m comfortable with that as if there’s extra time it has to be advantageous to have it at home. Or if it goes straight to penalties it’s beneficial to have the shoot out at home.

I think if they stuck strictly to the rules the team drawn out first plays at home first, so the first leg should still be at Arsenal. However, common sense would say why disrupt the plans of fans etc for both fixtures.

Hypothetically this does throw up some interesting possibilities. What happens if Arsenal have a Covid outbreak before the 2nd leg and are forced to postpone? There are no dates in the diary before the final the second leg could feasibly be played. Do they move the final? They can't scrap one of the legs, they can't make Arsenal forfeit as the only reason it was moved was for Liverpool not being able to fulfil the first leg.

It is a huge mess, and whilst there must be some sympathy for the schedulers trying to get everything sorted with minimal disruption and fairness to all you have to think the whole issue of postponements and particularly the transparency should have been better dealt with.

Author:  Zed [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 3:47 pm ]
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Being that the EFL cup fixture first leg is now next week, it should be advantage Arsenal and played at Ems. That shouldn't change only cause of a postponement. If in reverse, you know Liverpool would clearly expect said first leg to be played at Anfield, had it been set as such for their home side first leg.
Therefore, first leg match should still be at Ems.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 3:49 pm ]
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Why aren’t they interested in getting Graham Potter to steady the ship ! Haven’t they noticed we have no recognised style of play !

https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/05/manchest ... n6Pbsb-fRk

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 3:51 pm ]
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Zed wrote:
Naturally Liverpool's FA cup match at home Jan. 9 against Shrewsbury is still on calendar.

Yep, they're quite happy to play Shrewsbury with a weakened team.

Teams are using this to gain an advantage. Any time there are a few cases or some big names are injured teams are asking for postponements. Palace asked for a postponement recently, it was rejected, and they ended up fielding the same 11 (maybe 10) of the players who had started the previous game!

Teams could use it to manipulate suspensions. Tough prem league game coming up with a couple of your best players suspended, postpone the game and have them suspended for a first round cup tie where they would have been rested anyway.

I'm very cynical in this but there is no chance at all that every club is playing this with a straight bat and not using it to gain some sort of advantage.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 3:56 pm ]
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Zed wrote:
Being that the EFL cup fixture first leg is now next week, it should be advantage Arsenal and played at Ems. That shouldn't change only cause of a postponement. If in reverse, you know Liverpool would clearly expect said first leg to be played at Anfield, had it been set as such for their home side first leg.
Therefore, first leg match should still be at Ems.

Well it isn’t. In fact I’d rather have the 2nd leg at our place.

The teeth nashing at the expense of logicality about this is unreal

Author:  Bernard [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:10 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Zed wrote:
Being that the EFL cup fixture first leg is now next week, it should be advantage Arsenal and played at Ems. That shouldn't change only cause of a postponement. If in reverse, you know Liverpool would clearly expect said first leg to be played at Anfield, had it been set as such for their home side first leg.
Therefore, first leg match should still be at Ems.

Well it isn’t. In fact I’d rather have the 2nd leg at our place.

The teeth nashing at the expense of logicality about this is unreal

I have to agree with Top Gun on this one, for the reasons I explained earlier. If it goes to extra time and/or penalties, it surely has to be advantageous to be playing at home in those circumstances, so the second leg.

A further point I didn’t mention that probably benefits the team playing at home in the second leg is that it’s the final game of the semi-final and the home crowd might be more ‘up for it’ being it’s the decider and they know what needs to be done. This could create a better atmosphere.

I’m glad Arsenal have the second leg at home as it would have been my preference before the draw was made.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 4:19 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
Well it isn’t. In fact I’d rather have the 2nd leg at our place.

The teeth nashing at the expense of logicality about this is unreal

I have to agree with Top Gun on this one, for the reasons I explained earlier. If it goes to extra time and/or penalties, it surely has to be advantageous to be playing at home in those circumstances, so the second leg.

A further point I didn’t mention that probably benefits the team playing at home in the second leg is that it’s the final game of the semi-final and the home crowd might be more ‘up for it’ being it’s the decider and they know what needs to be done. This could create a better atmosphere.

Absolutely 100%, I’d always prefer the 2nd leg at home. Always

Also they still have to play the first leg next week with a likely hugely depleted side missing the Africans plus a lot of players who won’t have trained much due to their covid isolation. Good chance for us here unless we start losing players to the Rona

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:00 pm ]
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The biggest problem for us with the games being moved are that those two games v Liverpool surround the Spurs game in the league rather than the Forrest game in the cup so potentially gives us less chance to rotate as might have been optimum for us.

As long as there isn't that silly rule of away goals still counting if they're scored in extra time then it doesn't make too much difference in my view which way round the home/away legs are played

Author:  Zed [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:15 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Zed wrote:
Naturally Liverpool's FA cup match at home Jan. 9 against Shrewsbury is still on calendar.

Yep, they're quite happy to play Shrewsbury with a weakened team.

Teams are using this to gain an advantage. Any time there are a few cases or some big names are injured teams are asking for postponements. Palace asked for a postponement recently, it was rejected, and they ended up fielding the same 11 (maybe 10) of the players who had started the previous game!

Teams could use it to manipulate suspensions. Tough prem league game coming up with a couple of your best players suspended, postpone the game and have them suspended for a first round cup tie where they would have been rested anyway.

I'm very cynical in this but there is no chance at all that every club is playing this with a straight bat and not using it to gain some sort of advantage.

Makes you wonder how impacted clubs actually are by injuries w/out including Covid in the mix. Or also in this case, clubs impacted by loss of players to AFCON. Not just Liverpool alone has players at AFCON obvoiusly. Liverpool using all 3 to gain an unfair advantage, I say this lightly, as there most likely are a ew players with Covid and/or injuries. Just that it looks quite apparent they are using the momentum of "Covid" cases to enhance a comp to their favour. Same can be said of a few other clubs as well over the past month having games called off their advantage. Notice those clubs asking for a call off never really state how many players/staff actually came down with Covid. Oh sure MA, Klopp, now Lijnders was revealed with Covid. No need to mention names of players/staff, but an accurate account how many to cause such a call off should be devulged.

Author:  Zed [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:37 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
Well it isn’t. In fact I’d rather have the 2nd leg at our place.

The teeth nashing at the expense of logicality about this is unreal

I have to agree with Top Gun on this one, for the reasons I explained earlier. If it goes to extra time and/or penalties, it surely has to be advantageous to be playing at home in those circumstances, so the second leg.

A further point I didn’t mention that probably benefits the team playing at home in the second leg is that it’s the final game of the semi-final and the home crowd might be more ‘up for it’ being it’s the decider and they know what needs to be done. This could create a better atmosphere.

I’m glad Arsenal have the second leg at home as it would have been my preference before the draw was made.

I suppose Bernard, TG having the second leg at Ems is slightly advantageous if we get a well placed win at Anfield first leg obvously. No guarantee a switch of home field advantage first leg, ensures a win for that side of course. Nor obviously does it guarantee a draw for both legs with extra time, etc. Whether we win or Liverpool win, the first leg sets the tone of the outcome of the second leg. Just hope now that it works in our favour, if we win the first leg.

Author:  Rich [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:41 pm ]
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It will be interesting to see the Liverpool team sheet on Sunday if the game goes ahead v Shrewsbury as planned. Last Sunday Liverpool had covid cases for Allison, firminho and Matip last Sunday, so assuming they tested positive at the last possible moment before the game they could serve their 7 days isolation and feasibly be available for the Shrewsbury game.
So assuming those 3 play and Liverpool field a full 11 and 7 subs then there would be 14 players who play vs Shrewsbury who could have played against us on Thursday because anyone testing positive after Liverpools game v Chelsea wouldn’t be allowed to play vs Shrewsbury.

Let’s see

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:07 pm ]
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Bored wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
I’d swap about half our FA cups for just one champions league trophy

Actually I’d swap our invincible season too for one and I bet Arsene would have as well.

:1cry: :1cry:


Interesting question. Would you swap out invincible season for a Champions League trophy? I’m not sure if I would.


Good question. I would. The invincible season is the stuff of legend domestically. I'm guessing other clubs have done it in their domestic leagues. Milan certainly did. Celtic has. Rangers I think, right? I'm guessng Bayern Munich has and probably either or both of Real Madrid or Barcelona. If PSG hasn't done since their re-emergence, they will. So, to Europe, its nice and even good, if they know about us doing it but a CL trophy is what the biggest clubs have in their trophy room.

We are said oftentimes we are not truly a big club without having one.

Author:  kiwipete [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:42 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
kiwipete wrote:
Well the obvious retort to that statement is ........" Why on earth do you bother to mention it ........ ? "


Look, I realise your main loyalty will be to your son, but I was so pleased to see it put on (I very much doubt it’s every six months as the BBC don’t show films as much as many channels),
I think mentioning it was natural.

I’m puzzled how anyone can think the acting in The Ipcress File isn’t exceptional and the plot very clever.

But I will go back to what I said. He was obviously looking for a reaction from me, and he got one.

Morning Bernard ...... I can understand your thinking of "backing up the son " .......but nothing could be further from the truth . In the twelve or so years he has been on here I can't think of an ocassion when I have backed him up .

Remember he was having a bit of a biff session with Daz and I just let him get on with it .

I hardly ever communicate with the little worm ; I waste far more time [ manfully but unsuccessfully ] trying to educate the forum's lost causes like .... Decaf , Socrates , Gaz , G7 , John , Top Gun , LTG , Warrior , Hoy , Zed and yourself .

Beats me how could constantly mentioning the Ipcress File is being broadcast can be termed ........ " natural " . :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

Author:  Bernard [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:57 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote:
Beats me how could constantly mentioning the Ipcress File is being broadcast can be termed ........ " natural " . :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

Got a spare 1 hour 40 minutes before a documentary on the serial killer Stephen Port comes on. Going to use the time productively and, you’ve guessed it, watch The Ipcress File.

Author:  long time gooner [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 9:24 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
kiwipete wrote:
Beats me how could constantly mentioning the Ipcress File is being broadcast can be termed ........ " natural " . :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

Got a spare 1 hour 40 minutes before a documentary on the serial killer Stephen Port comes on. Going to use the time productively and, you’ve guessed it, watch The Ipcress File.

The Ipcress File eh? Is it any good?

Author:  DHD [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:14 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
Bernard wrote:
Got a spare 1 hour 40 minutes before a documentary on the serial killer Stephen Port comes on. Going to use the time productively and, you’ve guessed it, watch The Ipcress File.

The Ipcress File eh? Is it any good?


Actually, I watched it for - I think - the first time the other day. I really enjoyed it. I thought it was tense, well acted and well scripted. I particularly liked all the foodie references and the glimpses of author Len Deighton’s legendary and recently re-published recipe cartoons.

Author:  Bernard [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 10:56 pm ]
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DHD wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
The Ipcress File eh? Is it any good?

Actually, I watched it for - I think - the first time the other day. I really enjoyed it. I thought it was tense, well acted and well scripted. I particularly liked all the foodie references and the glimpses of author Len Deighton’s legendary and recently re-published recipe cartoons.

In the part where Harry Palmer (Michael Caine’s character) was shown breaking eggs single handedly into a bowl to make an omelette, it was only the single hand that was shown doing this in the specific clip. Despite practicing, Michael Caine couldn’t break eggs with one hand. It was actually Len Deighton (for those who don’t know the author of the novel The Ipcress File) whose hand was shown doing this in the film.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:37 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
DHD wrote:
Actually, I watched it for - I think - the first time the other day. I really enjoyed it. I thought it was tense, well acted and well scripted. I particularly liked all the foodie references and the glimpses of author Len Deighton’s legendary and recently re-published recipe cartoons.

In the part where Harry Palmer (Michael Caine’s character) was shown breaking eggs single handedly into a bowl to make an omelette, it was only the single hand that was shown doing this in the specific clip. Despite practicing, Michael Caine couldn’t break eggs with one hand. It was actually Len Deighton (for those who don’t know the author of the novel The Ipcress File) whose hand was shown doing this in the film.


Quite an interesting fact that. Caine also co owned Langans brasserie for a long time making it more interesting that he couldn’t do that. It has recently reopened after a refurb and well worth a visit if you like brasserie type food like myself.

Author:  Bernard [ Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:37 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
As long as there isn't that silly rule of away goals still counting if they're scored in extra time then it doesn't make too much difference in my view which way round the home/away legs are played

Apparently away goals don’t come into it for the League Cup semi final. For me, that has to make it beneficial to play the second leg at home, as Arsenal are now doing. Even if a drawn tie goes straight to penalties, it surely has to be better to be the home team for a penalty shoot out. If there is extra time this year (presumably unlikely as there wasn’t last season), being at home for the additional half an hour has to be seen as advantageous.

Author:  Bernard [ Thu Jan 06, 2022 12:00 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Bernard wrote:
In the part where Harry Palmer (Michael Caine’s character) was shown breaking eggs single handedly into a bowl to make an omelette, it was only the single hand that was shown doing this in the specific clip. Despite practicing, Michael Caine couldn’t break eggs with one hand. It was actually Len Deighton (for those who don’t know the author of the novel The Ipcress File) whose hand was shown doing this in the film.

Quite an interesting fact that. Caine also co owned Langans brasserie for a long time making it more interesting that he couldn’t do that. It has recently reopened after a refurb and well worth a visit if you like brasserie type food like myself.

I guess he just employed chefs to do the cooking. Unless his co-owner did it?

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Thu Jan 06, 2022 1:01 am ]
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A huge psychological barrier that we have breached is not just being able to score without Aubameyang but actually score more and play better. I'm not saying we shouldn't have him and I'm not saying he shouldn't play. But 6 months ago we'd have foreseen doom if we were told we wouldn't have Aubameyang playing for an extended period of time for whatever reasons.

There is a balance to this side now. Long may it continue.

Author:  kiwipete [ Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:35 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
kiwipete wrote:
Beats me how could constantly mentioning the Ipcress File is being broadcast can be termed ........ " natural " . :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

Got a spare 1 hour 40 minutes before a documentary on the serial killer Stephen Port comes on. Going to use the time productively and, you’ve guessed it, watch The Ipcress File.

Came home from the Op Shop and thought I'll give this movie a real go , cracked a beer and settled in

Hmmm ....... ten minutes in I thought a bit corny and dated but I can live with that .

I lived in Britain in the early seventies so could identify with all the old cars , telephones , scenery , clothing .
Cracked another beer but the sloth like pace and dialogue wore me down , five minutes after Hudson from Upstairs Downstairs got shot in the Mark 3 Zodiac
[ I had one of those ; bloody nice car ] ..and he woke up in the jail cell ........ the white flag came out .... I can't take any more of this . :sign19:

For an elderly Englishman I can vaguely understand the appeal .. it evokes memories of better times when Britain was a power in the world , still had a few shipyards , car makers , with vestiges of an empire .

Author:  kiwipete [ Thu Jan 06, 2022 3:47 am ]
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Where the hell is Warrior ....?
when I was writing the last post I tried to write M k 3 Zodiac ... with the M and k closer together and it comes up Mkhitaryan ......

It was painful enough when we had that ***&^%$$ on the books without being reminded of him now he's gone .

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