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john1 wrote:

Of course his views are relevant. They influence his thinking (obviously), but more importantly they influence what our intended trading partners think of us. It would be daft and outright naïve to think otherwise.

Next time you are going for surgery be sure to check that the surgeon has the correct political views. It is so important.

john1 wrote:

Next time you are going for surgery be sure to check that the surgeon has the correct political views. It is so important.

Gunfire wrote:

Next time you are going for surgery be sure to check that the surgeon has the correct political views. It is so important.

Try reading what I wrote again. And the post I was responding to.

But then again, attention to detail and intelligence seem to be traits sorely lacking in extremist Brexiteers.

Which is what has got us into this mess in the first place. (And not forgetting the not so casual racism of course).

Villa have increased their bid to 20 million for Martinez.

Surely too much to turn down given we can’t guarantee his first team place.

TOP GUN wrote:

Villa have increased their bid to 20 million for Martinez.

Surely too much to turn down given we can’t guarantee his first team place.

Considering his quality I don’t think £20m is enough for Martinez. That’s the sort of price a promising kid would fetch. Imagine how much Everton would get for Pickford if they sold, and given the choice of Martinez and Pickford for me it’s Martinez every day of the week.

I didn’t realise but Leno and Martinez are both 28. I’d always assumed Leno was older than the six months distance between their dates of birth (Leno 4th March 1992 and Martinez 2nd September 1992).

I’d say 20 million is still pretty light, a bit more maybe. He’s a decent keeper. I still think Leno is better though.

TOP GUN wrote:

I’d say 20 million is still pretty light, a bit more maybe. He’s a decent keeper. I still think Leno is better though.

socrates wrote:

I honestly think Leno is being a bit underrated by Arsenal fans. Martinez looks more commanding of his penalty area, but I don't think there's anything between them with the ball at their feet, and Leno is the better shotstopper, especially at close range. And it's hard to look past the vast difference in experience between the two, even though they're the same age.

On the flipside, we'd definitely get more money for Leno if we sold him considering his track record. But that would be quite the gamble with Martinez never having been a starter at the top level while football was still played in front of live crowds.

TOP GUN wrote:

I’d say 20 million is still pretty light, a bit more maybe. He’s a decent keeper. I still think Leno is better though.

Not on Martinez's current form (he's been better and calmer with the ball at his feet, better on crosses, holds not punches and is generally a more commanding presence) but the big question is whether his current form can be maintained over the course of a season.

By the way I am not suggesting that Leno is anything other than an excellent keeper, just that Martinez's form has been extraordinary by any standards.

By all accounts Guendouzi was superb fpr France U21's today. What a shame we can't get his head right. I hope we don't end up selling him for peanuts just to get rid.

Bellerin has invested in Forest Green Rovers. They are a club that has huge sustainability and zero carbon values, something Bellerin cares deeply about

It's a real shame that Kroenke is not ambitious enough to plough some of his own money into the club when FFP is off the agenda and many players who would otherwise be unobtainable (because the elite clubs would be in for them) are available to anyone with the money to get the deals done. Look at Chelsea.

We could have taken some giant leaps forward this summer with the right investment.

Another aspect that makes the Martinez situation complicated is that he has two years left on his contract. If the rumours about him seeking reassurances that he'll be first choice are true, and he won't extend until he gets it, then we are almost forced to sell. Otherwise we're possibly looking at another situation next summer where we have to sell a valuable asset for a bargain price because he only has one year left on his contract. £20m for a 28-year old with only 15 Premier League games under his belt is very good money.

Henry, Bergkamp and Wright I can understand, but who's not talking about van Persie in the same breath as Anelka? Anelka was an Arsenal player for 2½ seasons. van Persie was here for eight years, and at his peak he was twice the player Anelka ever was.

Hazuki wrote:

Watched the Anelka documentary on Netflix. It was a decent show and looking back he had a really bizarre career.

If he'd stayed at Arsenal he would have went on to become an absolute legend. I think he'd have outgunned Van Persie no problem.

Niall wrote:

Probably wouldn't have signed Henry if Anelka had stayed on though...

TOP GUN wrote:

I don’t really see enough technical ability to suggest he’s going to Make it.

If we sell Lacazette we will need to sign a new striker as he won’t cut it, he should have scored that chance from the pull back yesterday.

Sun is linking us with the talented winger at Brentford.

I have to agree with you Top Gun, and indeed socrates. Nketiah routinely leaves me feeling underwhelmed. Hope I’m wrong but I’ll be very, very surprised if he develops into a top player.

I read the other day that Nketiah spent much of the lock-down period working on building up his strength which, as for many young players, he needs to build on to compete better in top level football. I'd still have him in the prospect box but hoping to see better things from him next season. If I were him, I'd be looking to start hitting 10-15 goals overall next season which would be a good return for him. There is certainly an opportunity there for him to grasp!

Watched the Anelka documentary on Netflix. It was a decent show and looking back he had a really bizarre career.
If he'd stayed at Arsenal he would have went on to become an absolute legend. I think he'd have outgunned Van Persie no problem.

Bernard wrote:

I have to agree with you Top Gun, and indeed socrates. Nketiah routinely leaves me feeling underwhelmed. Hope I’m wrong but I’ll be very, very surprised if he develops into a top player.

Niall wrote:

Watched the Anelka documentary on Netflix. It was a decent show and looking back he had a really bizarre career.
If he'd stayed at Arsenal he would have went on to become an absolute legend. I think he'd have outgunned Van Persie no problem.

Yes, apart from heading he had everything you could ask of a striker when he was with us. Lightning quick, strong, deadly accurate with his shot and very aware positionally. With Bergkamp feeding him he surely would have scored many goals?

I really like Eddie and I can't understand the negativity that surrounds him here.

Niall wrote:

I really like Eddie and I can't understand the negativity that surrounds him here. I can't recall a more talented striker emerging from our Academy for years. He's still pretty young; 21 is no age for a striker. Second half of last season was his first real opportunity to shine for us - and I think he did on several occasions. Remember, he's competing week-on-week with PEA and Lacazette for a starting place; that's a daunting prospect for any striker. His stats for England U21 - 11 goals in 9 apps - put him just behind Alan Shearer's all-time record of 13 goals in 11. It isn't just the goals he's scored or indeed missed, it's his all-round game. He's unselfish - probably too much so. He closes down like an absolute b****** and on it's own, that's already created several chances. He's similar to Lacazette in terms of where he plays and what he's looking to do. He's not yet quite as good a striker but he's better in the air while being a lot more mobile and hard working. The rest will come. I think for those reasons, we'll cash in on Lacazette any day now; in my opinion, we'll be the better for that change.

Hazuki wrote:

Sorry Haz but I can't agree. RvP flattered to deceive for most of his time with us. it was only in his last couple of seasons that he finally delivered consistently on the talent everyone knew was there.
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Author:	TOP GUN [ Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:41 pm ]
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Gunfire wrote: john1 wrote: Of course his views are relevant. They influence his thinking (obviously), but more importantly they influence what our intended trading partners think of us. It would be daft and outright naïve to think otherwise. Next time you are going for surgery be sure to check that the surgeon has the correct political views. It is so important. Then imagine after your death your family realises the surgeon was never a surgeon in the first place

Author:	john1 [ Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:54 pm ]
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Gunfire wrote: john1 wrote: Of course his views are relevant. They influence his thinking (obviously), but more importantly they influence what our intended trading partners think of us. It would be daft and outright naïve to think otherwise. Next time you are going for surgery be sure to check that the surgeon has the correct political views. It is so important. Try reading what I wrote again. And the post I was responding to. But then again, attention to detail and intelligence seem to be traits sorely lacking in extremist Brexiteers. Which is what has got us into this mess in the first place. (And not forgetting the not so casual racism of course).

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:01 pm ]
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I read an article that said Ferguson had set up a transfer of Thiago before he retired and lined up the transfer for Moyes. Moyes dropped it and went after Fellaini. The reason he didn't take Thiago was reportedly he didn't know anything about him, hadn't heard of him.

Author:	Gunfire [ Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:02 pm ]
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john1 wrote: Gunfire wrote: Next time you are going for surgery be sure to check that the surgeon has the correct political views. It is so important. Try reading what I wrote again. And the post I was responding to. But then again, attention to detail and intelligence seem to be traits sorely lacking in extremist Brexiteers. Which is what has got us into this mess in the first place. (And not forgetting the not so casual racism of course). I am not a Brexiteer but being British. The charges of misogyny against Abbot ring pretty hollow given he has a stunning wife and 3 stunning daughters all well educated and very high achievers. The daughters have repeatedly said their dad encouraged them to be anything they wanted and never held them back. Abbot got up the noses of the biens pensents semi-skimmed late liberals and all kinds of labels were thrown at him.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:28 pm ]
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Villa have increased their bid to 20 million for Martinez. Surely too much to turn down given we can’t guarantee his first team place.

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Author:	TOP GUN [ Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:32 pm ]
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Sell Bellerin for 35 plus Martinez for 20. Sign raya to replace Martinez and you have 45 million left for Partey.

Author:	Bernard [ Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:56 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote: Villa have increased their bid to 20 million for Martinez. Surely too much to turn down given we can’t guarantee his first team place. Considering his quality I don’t think £20m is enough for Martinez. That’s the sort of price a promising kid would fetch. Imagine how much Everton would get for Pickford if they sold, and given the choice of Martinez or Pickford for me it’s Martinez every day of the week. I didn’t realise but Leno and Martinez are both 28. I’d always assumed Leno was older than the six months distance between their dates of birth (Leno 4th March 1992 and Martinez 2nd September 1992).

Author:	socrates [ Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:13 pm ]
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Bernard wrote: TOP GUN wrote: Villa have increased their bid to 20 million for Martinez. Surely too much to turn down given we can’t guarantee his first team place. Considering his quality I don’t think £20m is enough for Martinez. That’s the sort of price a promising kid would fetch. Imagine how much Everton would get for Pickford if they sold, and given the choice of Martinez and Pickford for me it’s Martinez every day of the week. I didn’t realise but Leno and Martinez are both 28. I’d always assumed Leno was older than the six months distance between their dates of birth (Leno 4th March 1992 and Martinez 2nd September 1992). Hi Bernard. Totally agree. £20m is peanuts for a keeper whose arguably been the best in the PL since the restart. No adaption period required either. A PL club like Villa getting Martinez for £20m is potentially like paying £20m to stay in the PL. If he maintains his current form he will be worth 15 points a season to them. If we sell him for £20m we will have to buy a back-up, presumably for around £10m, so the net outcome is £10m added to the transfer kitty and an inferior keeper added to the squad. In my opinion Martinez keeps his place until his rich vein of form falls away, and if it doesn't we sell Leno next summer.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:22 pm ]
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I’d say 20 million is still pretty light, a bit more maybe. He’s a decent keeper. I still think Leno is better though.

Author:	socrates [ Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:28 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote: I’d say 20 million is still pretty light, a bit more maybe. He’s a decent keeper. I still think Leno is better though. Not on Martinez's current form (he's been better and calmer with the ball at his feet, better on crosses, holds not punches and is generally a more commanding presence) but the big question is whether his current form can be maintained over the course of a season. By the way I am not suggesting that Leno is anything other than an excellent keeper, just that Martinez's form has been extraordinary by any standards.

Author:	socrates [ Mon Sep 07, 2020 8:30 pm ]
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By all accounts Guendouzi was superb fpr France U21's today. What a shame we can't get his head right. I hope we don't end up selling him for peanuts just to get rid.

Author:	Hazuki [ Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:02 pm ]
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socrates wrote: TOP GUN wrote: I’d say 20 million is still pretty light, a bit more maybe. He’s a decent keeper. I still think Leno is better though. Not on Martinez's current form (he's been better and calmer with the ball at his feet, better on crosses, holds not punches and is generally a more commanding presence) but the big question is whether his current form can be maintained over the course of a season. I honestly think Leno is being a bit underrated by Arsenal fans. Martinez looks more commanding of his penalty area, but I don't think there's anything between them with the ball at their feet, and Leno is the better shotstopper, especially at close range. And it's hard to look past the vast difference in experience between the two, even though they're the same age. On the flipside, we'd definitely get more money for Leno if we sold him considering his track record. But that would be quite the gamble with Martinez never having been a starter at the top level while football was still played in front of live crowds.

Author:	socrates [ Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:17 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote: socrates wrote: Not on Martinez's current form (he's been better and calmer with the ball at his feet, better on crosses, holds not punches and is generally a more commanding presence) but the big question is whether his current form can be maintained over the course of a season. I honestly think Leno is being a bit underrated by Arsenal fans. Martinez looks more commanding of his penalty area, but I don't think there's anything between them with the ball at their feet, and Leno is the better shotstopper, especially at close range. And it's hard to look past the vast difference in experience between the two, even though they're the same age. On the flipside, we'd definitely get more money for Leno if we sold him considering his track record. But that would be quite the gamble with Martinez never having been a starter at the top level while football was still played in front of live crowds. Hi Haz, On current form I think Martinez edges it, being the more rounded keeper. As I have said previously, though, my opinion is based on a run of extraordinary form over a relatively short period of time and a consequentially small sample size. Nobody knows how he will react when he drops his first clanger, and all keepers do at some point, nor do they know how he will handle a hostile crowd. At the moment the pressure is limited. That said, I want him to keep his place until he no longer deserves to keep it.

Author:	Bernard [ Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:22 pm ]
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socrates wrote: TOP GUN wrote: I’d say 20 million is still pretty light, a bit more maybe. He’s a decent keeper. I still think Leno is better though. Not on Martinez's current form (he's been better and calmer with the ball at his feet, better on crosses, holds not punches and is generally a more commanding presence) but the big question is whether his current form can be maintained over the course of a season. By the way I am not suggesting that Leno is anything other than an excellent keeper, just that Martinez's form has been extraordinary by any standards. Importantly though socrates, Leno is the better shot stopper. I am a big Martinez fan but I still think it’s too early to suggest or imply he’s better than Leno. Up until the Brighton game when Leno got injured, would anyone have been up in arms had Martinez been sold? I wouldn’t. Before the Brighton game Martinez played 26 games for Arsenal. He’s actually only played twelve games since that Brighton match, including the Charity Shield game against Liverpool. Twelve fine games is not, in my view, enough to decide we can or should sell Leno who has performed at a very high level for much longer. Not only at Arsenal but at Bayer Leverkusen. My vote is for keeping both next season and deciding which to keep and who to sell next summer. If that means having to sell someone else to raise funds for this transfer window, then so be it. One other point that someone made to me recently is this. Who recalls the Manninger run of form when he came in for Seaman in the 1997/98 season? Massively impressive, and arguably as good as the last dozen games from Martinez. But credit to Wenger, he didn’t get rid of Seaman because of Manninger’s run of form. Despite that run of form, he was never as good as Seaman. In sum, I reckon this is not the time to decide between Leno and Martinez. I’d prefer keeping them both for this season and making that decision next year. EDIT: I wrote this post before seeing Hazuki’s comments in post 515613, which I fully agree with.

Author:	Bernard [ Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:49 pm ]
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socrates wrote: By all accounts Guendouzi was superb fpr France U21's today. What a shame we can't get his head right. I hope we don't end up selling him for peanuts just to get rid. Following Arteta’s comments last week, I’m still hoping against hope that we haven’t seen the last of Guendouzi in an Arsenal shirt.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:46 am ]
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I think people are genuinely forgetting Lenos performances earlier in the season. Our player of the month in December and probably the year if we didn’t have Aubameyang.

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:10 am ]
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Even if no one else comes in (shudder the thought) we had a very good transfer period. The clubs around us and above us are looking at us cautiously now. I don't think we will catch anyone unawares if we start out playing well. We won the FA cup and CS against the best in the league and that was without the transfers. I also want to manage my expectations and hope other fans do as well. We will have hiccups. It's not a right to do well at the start of the season or for the whole season.

Author:	Rich [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:44 am ]
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Is it a bit worrying that Aubameyang hasn't signed his deal yet, even though all the noises have been positive? With the squad as it is we're a top 6 side. Add in some top class central midfielders and we're properly challenging top 4 Lose Aubameyang and we're top 10 at best

Author:	Rich [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:45 am ]
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Bellerin has invested in Forest Green Rovers. They are a club that has huge sustainability and zero carbon values, something Bellerin cares deeply about

Author:	socrates [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 7:45 am ]
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It's a real shame that Kroenke is not ambitious enough to plough some of his own money into the club when FFP is off the agenda and many players who would otherwise be unobtainable (because the elite clubs would be in for them) are available to anyone with the money to get the deals done. Look at Chelsea. We could have taken some giant leaps forward this summer with the right investment.

Author:	long time gooner [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:07 am ]
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Rich wrote: Bellerin has invested in Forest Green Rovers. They are a club that has huge sustainability and zero carbon values, something Bellerin cares deeply about https://www.skysports.com/share/12066391

Author:	Rich [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:49 am ]
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socrates wrote: It's a real shame that Kroenke is not ambitious enough to plough some of his own money into the club when FFP is off the agenda and many players who would otherwise be unobtainable (because the elite clubs would be in for them) are available to anyone with the money to get the deals done. Look at Chelsea. We could have taken some giant leaps forward this summer with the right investment. Absolutely, there are bargains to be had because almost every top club has to make sales, and there is potentially so much less competition for their signatures. Chelsea getting Kai Havertz almost unopposed is crazy, the guy was one of the most sought after teenagers in world football before Covid

Author:	Rich [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:56 am ]
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To get Aouar and Partey would be a dream window. We've got to raise £90m+. If getting them meant losing Martinez to partly finance the move I would jump at the chance. £25m for each of Guendouzi and Torreira, £20m Martinez and then you just need to find £20m from the likes of Sokratis, Kolasinac, Holding, Mustafi and even the sales of some youth team players - Arsenal looking at £5-8m for Balugun. I'd sell Willock to finance it as well if needed. A midfield of Partey, Aouar, Xhaka, Ceballos with back up from the young english players Willock, AMN, Emile Smith Rowe would be the first time in a long time we (on paper) have a serious central midfield that has the right blend of skill, technique, aggression and power. There is nothing sub par or flaky about that midfield

Author:	Hazuki [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:03 am ]
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Another aspect that makes the Martinez situation complicated is that he has two years left on his contract. If the rumours about him seeking reassurances that he'll be first choice are true, and he won't extend until he gets it, then we are almost forced to sell. Otherwise we're possibly looking at another situation next summer where we have to sell a valuable asset for a bargain price because he only has one year left on his contract. £20m for a 28-year old with only 15 Premier League games under his belt is very good money.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:12 am ]
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There’s no point having 2 good goalkeepers and zero decent midfielders I do wonder if Arteta would be tempted to sell Martinez and get someone cheap on loan or on a 1 year deal. Then re invest the whole lot in other areas. Clearly struggling to sell our duff players like Guendouzi

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:26 pm ]
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How Aubameyang leaves is as important as if he leaves. If we can't get big money for him, decent money, we are in deep doo doo. We won't replace him fully. He's that good. Just like we couldn't really replace Henry, he's a one off. Had RvP stayed healthy (and loyal), I believe we'd be talking about him in the same breath as Henry, Bergkamp, Wright, Anelka (short lived as it was). Aubameyang is the best striker since Henry and Bergkamp left. That's saying something. RvP didn't stay healthy long enough. As for Kroenke, I've said this from day one. If or when we won trophies it was 'in spite of' him and not 'because of' him. I recall a few comments slating that opinion but that had more to do with who was saying not what was said. The sad fact is Kroenke will take the credit for any silverware we have and will win under his ownership. He won't do it publicly, it's not him. But in terms of his CV if he makes another huge deal like the move of the Rams from St. Louis to LA and he needs to talk banks or a league or whomever into supporting the deal. "I know how to win, I've won # trophies with Arsenal since taking over". I think his son Josh cares a lot more than his father does. Well, no where as close as we do, but way more than his father and when he takes the helm, he will be a better owner. He won't be the owner we want but he will be better. Lastly, my worry is if we get off to a slow start the fans will turn on the club. The expectations are high this season with the recent big wins and the transfers. One thing I've noticed about Arsenal fans is as a collective "we" are impatient. Arteta has a lot of new moving parts he must fit together into a well run machine. It may take time. It would be nice we hit the ground running with wins till we meet Liverpool but it may not happen that way. My guess is we won't really see the real Arteta side till the new year. We will have some hiccups along the way. I do think our losing by wide margins to the top sides may stop. I'd be happy with finishing above Tottenham and finally beating Mourinho in a league match. If that takes us top 4 okay. Top 5 is a decent goal this season. Top 4 is asking a lot. Next season, yes. This season it might take the season to really get us into a formidable side again. We may have injuries, etc that all clubs experience and with the sales we have we may be putting players in positions they aren't capable of if there are injuries.

Author:	Hazuki [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:37 pm ]
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Henry, Bergkamp and Wright I can understand, but who's not talking about van Persie in the same breath as Anelka? Anelka was an Arsenal player for 2½ seasons. van Persie was here for eight years, and at his peak he was twice the player Anelka ever was.

Author:	Niall [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:42 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote: Another aspect that makes the Martinez situation complicated is that he has two years left on his contract. If the rumours about him seeking reassurances that he'll be first choice are true, and he won't extend until he gets it, then we are almost forced to sell. Otherwise we're possibly looking at another situation next summer where we have to sell a valuable asset for a bargain price because he only has one year left on his contract. £20m for a 28-year old with only 15 Premier League games under his belt is very good money. I agree. As impressive as Martinez has been since he came into the team he is still unproven over a longer period and £20m seems to be a very good offer given those circumstances detailed above. For me, Leno should remain the number 1. He also had an exceptional season last year and is without doubt a top class goalkeeper. Will be interesting to see who starts on Saturday.

Author:	Niall [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:47 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote: Henry, Bergkamp and Wright I can understand, but who's not talking about van Persie in the same breath as Anelka? Anelka was an Arsenal player for 2½ seasons. van Persie was here for eight years, and at his peak he was twice the player Anelka ever was. Watched the Anelka documentary on Netflix. It was a decent show and looking back he had a really bizarre career. If he'd stayed at Arsenal he would have went on to become an absolute legend. I think he'd have outgunned Van Persie no problem.

Author:	Hazuki [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:52 pm ]
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Niall wrote: Hazuki wrote: Henry, Bergkamp and Wright I can understand, but who's not talking about van Persie in the same breath as Anelka? Anelka was an Arsenal player for 2½ seasons. van Persie was here for eight years, and at his peak he was twice the player Anelka ever was. Watched the Anelka documentary on Netflix. It was a decent show and looking back he had a really bizarre career. If he'd stayed at Arsenal he would have went on to become an absolute legend. I think he'd have outgunned Van Persie no problem. Probably wouldn't have signed Henry if Anelka had stayed on though...

Author:	Niall [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:53 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote: Niall wrote: Watched the Anelka documentary on Netflix. It was a decent show and looking back he had a really bizarre career. If he'd stayed at Arsenal he would have went on to become an absolute legend. I think he'd have outgunned Van Persie no problem. Probably wouldn't have signed Henry if Anelka had stayed on though... Probably not, but we still may have given Wenger's links with the player. I'm happy enough with the way things turned out.

Author:	Niall [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:01 pm ]
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Bernard wrote: TOP GUN wrote: I don’t really see enough technical ability to suggest he’s going to Make it. If we sell Lacazette we will need to sign a new striker as he won’t cut it, he should have scored that chance from the pull back yesterday. Sun is linking us with the talented winger at Brentford. I have to agree with you Top Gun, and indeed socrates. Nketiah routinely leaves me feeling underwhelmed. Hope I’m wrong but I’ll be very, very surprised if he develops into a top player. I read the other day that Nketiah spent much of the lock-down period working on building up his strength which, as for many young players, he needs to build on to compete better in top level football. I'd still have him in the prospect box but hoping to see better things from him next season. If I were him, I'd be looking to start hitting 10-15 goals overall next season which would be a good return for him. There is certainly an opportunity there for him to grasp!

Author:	Hazuki [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:42 pm ]
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Niall wrote: I read the other day that Nketiah spent much of the lock-down period working on building up his strength which, as for many young players, he needs to build on to compete better in top level football. I'd still have him in the prospect box but hoping to see better things from him next season. If I were him, I'd be looking to start hitting 10-15 goals overall next season which would be a good return for him. There is certainly an opportunity there for him to grasp! Arteta seems to really like him, so he probably won't be able to complain about a lack of opportunity. As much as I like to see our academy players make it, I remain skeptical about Nketiah. I don't doubt he'll have a good professional career, but I just don't see the quality there. When people talk about selling Lacazette, a lot of the focus is on replacing the amount of goals he scores, but another thing that's just as important is how his goals are scored. Just look at his two goals against Tottenham last season, both are pieces of individual quality that not all strikers are capable of, and that individual skill is vital to have in the team.

Author:	old man of hoy [ Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:49 pm ]
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Niall wrote: Watched the Anelka documentary on Netflix. It was a decent show and looking back he had a really bizarre career. If he'd stayed at Arsenal he would have went on to become an absolute legend. I think he'd have outgunned Van Persie no problem. Yes, apart from heading he had everything you could ask of a striker when he was with us. Lightning quick, strong, deadly accurate with his shot and very aware positionally. With Bergkamp feeding him he surely would have scored many goals?