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A clear sign of how Wenger has weakened the team can be seen from the number of Arsenal players in the World Cup. And look at the number of Spurs players playing in the semis. A huge gulf opened up over the last few seasons.

gooner7 wrote:

Morning G7 ..... Not to fussed about lack of representation I'm more for getting the team to work effectively as a whole rather than have a multitude of big names and in that area Wenger failed dismally .

Get the feeling our 'old boy' Giroud will get a decent chance and bury it .

Is Kos still at the club? Perhaps Emery wants to be fair to him. Let him captain the side for the first half of the season, and then sell him in Jan.

Well if the script is followed it has to be a France v England final ...... de Gaulle , cheap French apples , a few dozen wars . Plenty of past scores come into play .

kiwipete wrote:

Well if the script is followed it has to be a France v England final ...... de Gaulle , cheap French apples , a few dozen wars . Plenty of past scores come into play .

Macron, Trudeau with his eyebrows

DHD wrote:

Better team lost

They did. Everything still falling into place for England who, if they beat Croatia, will in my view play the worst team from the other semi-final.

I disagree, I think France are very strong and willing to work like dogs. And they have enough going forward to trouble anyone. Best team won and I think they'll do so again on Sunday

Thought France deserved to win the game (just about it was tight) with what was a masterclass in shutting out the opposition. Unfortunately it made for a pretty average game though it always remained interesting cos of the quality players on the pitch.

Tomorrow, I make Croatia favourites though I wish you guys the best of luck in advance. Surprised at some of the overconfidence from some, to me Croatia have the better players, particularly in midfield and should win.

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Giroud must be one of the worst strikers ever in a WC Final, what a clown

One thing that frustrates me is that Wenger, with all his French connections, was unable to secure the services of any of this talented French bunch except for Giroud.

I'm sure that at some point he could have had Lloris, Kante, Varane, Matuidi, maybe even MBappe who by all accounts could have been ours for £7m three seasons ago.

gooner7 wrote:

Is Kos still at the club? Perhaps Emery wants to be fair to him. Let him captain the side for the first half of the season, and then sell him in Jan.

Koscielny is still at the club but has a long-term injury. My guess is we won't see much of him this side of Christmas. So I doubt anyone would be willing to pay much for him in January, especially as that will be some months after his 33rd birthday. Might as well keep him, though I'd be less keen on giving him the captaincy. At his peak a fine player, but never captaincy material.

As someone else said. How about breaking with a recent Arsenal tradition and actually give the captaincy to someone who will play?

rotterdamnation wrote:

Giroud must be one of the worst strikers ever in a WC Final, what a clown

I think clown is unfair but his lack of pace is startling but also his lack of killer instinct to start runs earlier near post far post etc. He just hasn’t got it and I’d have took Lacazette on the plane instead of him

Not saying Aubameyang is not quality just I wish we had offloaded Wellbeck not Giroud. Mind you Giroud going to Chelsea meant he was still selected for France unlike Lacazette.

Gaz from Oz wrote:

Not saying Aubameyang is not quality just I wish we had offloaded Wellbeck not Giroud. Mind you Giroud going to Chelsea meant he was still selected for France unlike Lacazette.

Welbeck is much better for what we need - a player who seems happy with a squad role and can cover multiple positions. Giroud is a striker only, and he wants to be the leading man. Would've been third choice with us. He was with us for more than five years and while he is a really good player, it was obvious we needed to upgrade the position.

There's a leaked video going around of Matteo Guendouzi signing a contract at Arsenal, so while that's not yet officially announced it seems like a done deal. Supposed to be a pretty big talent.

I've seen it. Wonder why it hasn't been formally announced yet?

There's a similar photo in the Mirror for Greenwood too. But I can't find anything on Arsenal.com about it.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirr ... 891894.amp

Bernard wrote:

Perhaps they wanted to put the spotlight on the Torreira signing yesterday? It should be announced today, too much has leaked to put it on hold.

I haven’t seen much over confidence at all I have to say. I think everyone knows Croatia will be a tough proposition and they have 2 absolutely world class midfielders

Gaz from Oz wrote:

Not saying Aubameyang is not quality just I wish we had offloaded Wellbeck not Giroud. Mind you Giroud going to Chelsea meant he was still selected for France unlike Lacazette.

I would normally have wanted England to win, but there's something about this Croatia team I really like.

Author:	AmericanGooner [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:05 pm ]
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Belgium appear well organized initially.

Author:	gooner7 [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:18 pm ]
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Is Kos still at the club? Perhaps Emery wants to be fair to him. Let him captain the side for the first half of the season, and then sell him in Jan.

Author:	gooner7 [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:21 pm ]
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A clear sign of how Wenger has weakened the team can be seen from the number of Arsenal players in the World Cup. And look at the number of Spurs players playing in the semis. A huge gulf opened up over the last few seasons.

Author:	DHD [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:45 pm ]
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So much to admire in this game. All the better for the lack of cynical fouls, play-acting and simulation.

Author:	kiwipete [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:54 pm ]
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gooner7 wrote: A clear sign of how Wenger has weakened the team can be seen from the number of Arsenal players in the World Cup. And look at the number of Spurs players playing in the semis. A huge gulf opened up over the last few seasons. Morning G7 ..... Not to fussed about lack of representation I'm more for getting the team to work effectively as a whole rather than have a multitude of big names and in that area Wenger failed dismally . Get the feeling our 'old boy' Giroud will get a decent chance and bury it .

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Author:	gooner7 [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:56 pm ]
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Good to see open flowing football. Thankfully not a dour pass pass pass game.

Author:	gooner7 [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 6:59 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote: gooner7 wrote: A clear sign of how Wenger has weakened the team can be seen from the number of Arsenal players in the World Cup. And look at the number of Spurs players playing in the semis. A huge gulf opened up over the last few seasons. Morning G7 ..... Not to fussed about lack of representation I'm more for getting the team to work effectively as a whole rather than have a multitude of big names and in that area Wenger failed dismally . Get the feeling our 'old boy' Giroud will get a decent chance and bury it . Giroud still acts like a pansy

Author:	gooner7 [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:13 pm ]
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It's fantastic that there is only one 0-0 match in the many matches, thus far.

Author:	gooner7 [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:40 pm ]
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Come on Belgium!

Author:	rotterdamnation [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:56 pm ]
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Giroud must be one of the worst strikers ever in a WC Final, what a clown

Author:	Bernard [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:56 pm ]
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gooner7 wrote: Is Kos still at the club? Perhaps Emery wants to be fair to him. Let him captain the side for the first half of the season, and then sell him in Jan. Koscielny is still at the club but has a long-term injury. My guess is we won't see much of him this side of Christmas. So I doubt anyone would be willing to pay much for him in January, especially as that will be some months after his 33rd birthday. Might as well keep him, though I'd be less keen on giving him the captaincy. At his peak a fine player, but never captaincy material. As someone else said. How about breaking with a recent Arsenal tradition and actually give the captaincy to someone who will play?

Author:	DHD [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 7:57 pm ]
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Better team lost

Author:	kiwipete [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:05 pm ]
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Well if the script is followed it has to be a France v England final ...... de Gaulle , cheap French apples , a few dozen wars . Plenty of past scores come into play . Croatia in there will be a bit ho hum ..... except if you are Croatian of course .

Author:	rotterdamnation [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:07 pm ]
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Come on England, stop the French

Author:	Gaz from Oz [ Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:30 am ]
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I am having to take some deep breaths tonight but whisper it, I want England to win rather than Croatia. On other things what a great coming together of people from across the globe was the effort that saw the release of Thai soccer team from their cave. To all those brave souls who made this happen - well done. The story of the year.

Author:	Bernard [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:16 pm ]
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DHD wrote: Better team lost They did. Everything still falling into place for England who, if they beat Croatia, will in my view play the worst team from the other semi-final.

Author:	Bernard [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:19 pm ]
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rotterdamnation wrote: kiwipete wrote: Well if the script is followed it has to be a France v England final ...... de Gaulle , cheap French apples , a few dozen wars . Plenty of past scores come into play . Macron, Trudeau with his eyebrows I prefer thinking of fine claret.

Author:	John [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:24 pm ]
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Bernard wrote: DHD wrote: Better team lost They did. Everything still falling into place for England who, if they beat Croatia, will in my view play the worst team from the other semi-final. I disagree, I think France are very strong and willing to work like dogs. And they have enough going forward to trouble anyone. Best team won and I think they'll do so again on Sunday

Author:	socrates [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:28 pm ]
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I thought France were the best side (just) in a game which, by a country mile, was the highest quality one of the competition. The two best teams in the tournament, along with Brazil. MBappe is electric, Kante is an incredible force of nature, Varane was exceptional. This WC has been great, except that the best teams unfortunately all ended up on the same side of the draw making it impossible for the two of the three best teams to make the final. England should beat Croatia but they haven't been tested defensively yet so France would be a big test. One thing that frustrates me is that Wenger, with all his French connections, was unable to secure the services of any of this talented French bunch except for Giroud. I'm sure that at some point he could have had Lloris, Kante, Varane, Matuidi, maybe even MBappe who by all accounts could have been ours for £7m three seasons ago.

Author:	Niall [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 8:37 pm ]
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Thought France deserved to win the game (just about it was tight) with what was a masterclass in shutting out the opposition. Unfortunately it made for a pretty average game though it always remained interesting cos of the quality players on the pitch. Tomorrow, I make Croatia favourites though I wish you guys the best of luck in advance. Surprised at some of the overconfidence from some, to me Croatia have the better players, particularly in midfield and should win. England still have an unknown quantity about them though that could surprise... As in all semis, first goal crucial. I'd have liked to see a Belgium Croatia final as it would be nice to see a first time winner.

Author:	Bernard [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:05 pm ]
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John wrote: I disagree, I think France are very strong and willing to work like dogs. And they have enough going forward to trouble anyone. Best team won and I think they'll do so again on Sunday France do work hard. I've just got a bad feeling about this World Cup and I'm perhaps looking at everything over-negatively to find reasons why England will win it.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:07 pm ]
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Niall wrote: Thought France deserved to win the game (just about it was tight) with what was a masterclass in shutting out the opposition. Unfortunately it made for a pretty average game though it always remained interesting cos of the quality players on the pitch. Tomorrow, I make Croatia favourites though I wish you guys the best of luck in advance. Surprised at some of the overconfidence from some, to me Croatia have the better players, particularly in midfield and should win. . I haven’t seen much over confidence at all I have to say. I think everyone knows Croatia will be a tough proposition and they have 2 absolutely world class midfielders but if you look at their defence man for man and compare it to England’s I think England look more solid and you would take Kane over mandzucic. I’m not saying England will win and think it’s going to be very close but if you are looking at it on paper you wouldn’t be foolish to say England have slightly more top class experience in their 11 and in reserve

Author:	TOP GUN [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 9:13 pm ]
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rotterdamnation wrote: Giroud must be one of the worst strikers ever in a WC Final, what a clown I think clown is unfair but his lack of pace is startling but also his lack of killer instinct to start runs earlier near post far post etc. He just hasn’t got it and I’d have took Lacazette on the plane instead of him

Author:	Rich [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:15 pm ]
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Worth noting that De Bruyne has a stinker for Belgium tonight, didn’t show up. Will he get the same treatment Özil regularly gets for a far worse performance than anything Özil did at this World Cup

Author:	Rich [ Tue Jul 10, 2018 10:17 pm ]
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Maybe Croatia and England will prove me wrong but tonight felt like the final. I can’t see either team beating France however much of love to see England do it

Author:	kiwipete [ Wed Jul 11, 2018 12:10 am ]
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socrates wrote: One thing that frustrates me is that Wenger, with all his French connections, was unable to secure the services of any of this talented French bunch except for Giroud. I'm sure that at some point he could have had Lloris, Kante, Varane, Matuidi, maybe even MBappe who by all accounts could have been ours for £7m three seasons ago. I think that's a little unfair ......what's Lacazette then Albanian Every manager could point to a cartload of what ifs they could have signed . George Graham wanted to sign Roy Keane , think it was George Allison didn't turn up to sign Dennis Law . Arsen got Henry , Pires , Petit and Vieira four of the best players in the history of Arsenal FC so he didn't do too badly . The game had moved on , more money , better scouting . In the recent past Arsene wasn't the "only horse in the field" checking out French football .

Author:	gooner7 [ Wed Jul 11, 2018 1:41 am ]
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Bernard wrote: gooner7 wrote: Is Kos still at the club? Perhaps Emery wants to be fair to him. Let him captain the side for the first half of the season, and then sell him in Jan. Koscielny is still at the club but has a long-term injury. My guess is we won't see much of him this side of Christmas. So I doubt anyone would be willing to pay much for him in January, especially as that will be some months after his 33rd birthday. Might as well keep him, though I'd be less keen on giving him the captaincy. At his peak a fine player, but never captaincy material. As someone else said. How about breaking with a recent Arsenal tradition and actually give the captaincy to someone who will play? 100% agree, he is not captaincy material

Author:	Gaz from Oz [ Wed Jul 11, 2018 5:36 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote: rotterdamnation wrote: Giroud must be one of the worst strikers ever in a WC Final, what a clown I think clown is unfair but his lack of pace is startling but also his lack of killer instinct to start runs earlier near post far post etc. He just hasn’t got it and I’d have took Lacazette on the plane instead of him Deschamps gets the best out of him. Go back to the France Australia game and without Giroud the french were very ordinary and not creating much. He is an integral part of the team as defenders have to cover him, he does lay offs and was our best forward for a number of years, although unappreciated by our supporters. Got absolutely screwed on the deal when we sold him We dropped at least 15 mil on that deal so in effect Aubameyang cost us about 83 mil not the 68 quoted. Not saying Aubameyang is not quality just I wish we had offloaded Wellbeck not Giroud. Mind you Giroud going to Chelsea meant he was still selected for France unlike Lacazette.

Author:	Hazuki [ Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:29 am ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote: Not saying Aubameyang is not quality just I wish we had offloaded Wellbeck not Giroud. Mind you Giroud going to Chelsea meant he was still selected for France unlike Lacazette. Welbeck is much better for what we need - a player who seems happy with a squad role and can cover multiple positions. Giroud is a striker only, and he wants to be the leading man. Would've been third choice with us. He was with us for more than five years and while he is a really good player, it was obvious we needed to upgrade the position.

Author:	Bernard [ Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:52 am ]
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Hazuki wrote: Gaz from Oz wrote: Not saying Aubameyang is not quality just I wish we had offloaded Wellbeck not Giroud. Mind you Giroud going to Chelsea meant he was still selected for France unlike Lacazette. Welbeck is much better for what we need - a player who seems happy with a squad role and can cover multiple positions. Giroud is a striker only, and he wants to be the leading man. Would've been third choice with us. He was with us for more than five years and while he is a really good player, it was obvious we needed to upgrade the position. My thanks go to Hazuki who has saved me the effort of bothering to write the same thing.

Author:	Hazuki [ Wed Jul 11, 2018 6:53 am ]
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There's a leaked video going around of Matteo Guendouzi signing a contract at Arsenal, so while that's not yet officially announced it seems like a done deal. Supposed to be a pretty big talent.

Author:	Bernard [ Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:49 am ]
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Hazuki wrote: There's a leaked video going around of Matteo Guendouzi signing a contract at Arsenal, so while that's not yet officially announced it seems like a done deal. Supposed to be a pretty big talent. I've seen it. Wonder why it hasn't been formally announced yet? There's a similar photo in the Mirror for Greenwood too. But I can't find anything on Arsenal.com about it. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirr ... 891894.amp

Author:	Hazuki [ Wed Jul 11, 2018 7:58 am ]
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Bernard wrote: I've seen it. Wonder why it hasn't been formally announced yet? There's a similar photo in the Mirror for Greenwood too. But I can't find anything on Arsenal.com about it. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirr ... 891894.amp Perhaps they wanted to put the spotlight on the Torreira signing yesterday? It should be announced today, too much has leaked to put it on hold.

Author:	Bernard [ Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:01 am ]
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Hazuki wrote: Bernard wrote: I've seen it. Wonder why it hasn't been formally announced yet? There's a similar photo in the Mirror for Greenwood too. But I can't find anything on Arsenal.com about it. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirr ... 891894.amp Perhaps they wanted to put the spotlight on the Torreira signing yesterday? It should be announced today, too much has leaked to put it on hold. I'm sure you're right.

Author:	Daz [ Wed Jul 11, 2018 8:20 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote: I haven’t seen much over confidence at all I have to say. I think everyone knows Croatia will be a tough proposition and they have 2 absolutely world class midfielders Doesn't matter, TG, if you say anything positive about your team's chances or show any enjoyment or excitement about it you are arrogant etc. The very worst are those who point out a stupid Sun headline and then say they hope England get spanked as if those *%^@ at The Sun have more right to be considered the face of England than, say, the diver who first found the Thai kids or the multiethnic crowds of old people, kids, etc watching on big screens on estates up and down the country. And then they'll show some morons celebrating badly as if sun + booze + fiesta + youth hasn't always brought out this side of the country since like 1500 or as if every country doesn't have an element of this yobbishness. Teams that play absolutely filthy, cheat, from countries with disgusting human rights records are given a pass while England are reminded at every opportunity - often by their own self-flagellating middle-class gap year lefties - of their evil imperialist past. I would say most England fans have a good-humoured approach to our chances and are feeling a bit dizzy even that we have got this far. Most are slightly amazed to be able to find affection for our team and manager again and most would be - pardon the arrogance - delighted and excited to be in the final while conceding that we are not the best team in the tournament by some distance.