Agree with this. Ten games might even be a stretch if we continue performing like this. The way I see it, our problem is two-fold:

1. We need better players in a number of key positions. Arteta doesn't have full control over this - it also depends on how much money is available, whether we can convince the right players to join us (that's not only up to him) etc.

2. We need to do better with the players we have. This one is 100% on Arteta. Whether we need to add quality to the squad or not, the kind of performances we've regularly turned out in the last 12 months is completely unacceptable. We might say that player X isn't good enough if we want to get top 4 and so on, but no one can say we should be playing the likes of Brentford, Burnley, Southampton and Crystal Palace without creating more than one or two clear goalscoring opportunities over 90 minutes. And it happens time and time again. It's just nowhere near good enough.

Time to get rid of Arteta, he's not good enough

It can only get better from here.

Can’t it?

There's 2 1/2 weeks left in the window, what makes you think we will get 3 top players in now? If I was watching that debacle tonight I wouldn't be signing for Arsenal any time soon.

Didn't bother challenging for a few of them, which is a worry. It's his first game and he is young so he deserves lots of slack. Bad start though.

I'd try and buy Tammy Abraham and give it a go, not because I especially rate him but he can't be any worse than what we saw tonight.

What is Edu doing, where are all the promising young south american talents he was supposed to have his finger on the pulse of.

I’m sorry I know it’s a bad result but anyone wanting Wenger back would be mad. We are still dealing with his problems and in fact 2 of our worst performers today were Xhaka and chambers both Wenger signings.

Go back to the day he was fired on here and read the comments. You’ll change your mind mate,

I’ve said for some time our midfielders aren’t good enough. Xhaka was dire in the first half and I’m a big fan of Emile Smith Rowe but If he does one positive thing over 90 minutes our fans go crazy thinking he’s brilliant, he may come good but really is he the answer ? . Lokonga looks solid but someone who looks more of a sitting midfielder based on that 90.

I’m totally unable to ascertain if our manager is any good or not because some of these players are mediocre and others plain SHITE

I would go for Abraham too. I think he’s a player waiting to explode.

I was kind of being facetious but it never felt this flat. Arteta is out of his depth and I’m sad at that because I really want it to work for him as he seems a really decent guy.

I'd try and buy Tammy Abraham and give it a go, not because I especially rate him but he can't be any worse than what we saw tonight.

What is Edu doing, where are all the promising young south american talents he was supposed to have his finger on the pulse of.

If that was Mustafi instead of White then the abuse would be pouring in.

I was kind of being facetious but it never felt this flat. Arteta is out of his depth and I’m sad at that because I really want it to work for him as he seems a really decent guy.

Decent guy, and most of the things he says about football is interesting and insightful. Sad thing is, that doesn't matter if you can't translate your insight into performances on the pitch.

My position is unchanged, he seems a tactically astute manager but I think any manager would struggle with these players too much inexperience and mediocrity.

Decent guy, and most of the things he says about football is interesting and insightful. Sad thing is, that doesn't matter if you can't translate your insight into performances on the pitch.

2. We need to do better with the players we have. This one is 100% on Arteta. Whether we need to add quality to the squad or not, the kind of performances we've regularly turned out in the last 12 months is completely unacceptable. We might say that player X isn't good enough if we want to get top 4 and so on, but no one can say we should be playing the likes of Brentford, Burnley, Southampton and Crystal Palace without creating more than one or two clear goalscoring opportunities over 90 minutes. And it happens time and time again. It's just nowhere near good enough.

Agree. Show improvements, otherwise it is only hollow talk.

We haven't won a title since 2004. Is this a second 1971-1989, Man Utd 1968-1992, Liverpool 1990-2020 type of drought, 40 years wandering in the wildernness time period for us? Does anyone think we'll turn it around to win a title within the next 10 years? Will we win a title before this decade is over?

Yes, we'll probably win a cup, domestic cup likely, league or FA cup (I've yet to see us win the league cup in my time as a fan. I want it even though its the least of them )

I assume in the '90s, Liverpool fans thought a title was just around the corner. A few players short of a title perhaps.

How long will we go without a title. I wouldn't even mind as much if like Liverpool we won a champions league in the interim.

Liverpool had to be pretty much perfect for 3-4 seasons to win the title, and they needed slip ups from those other 3.

I can see the joy in the media and from other fans every time we lose a game or make the same old mistakes. And I can completely understand it, I’d be the same if it wasn’t us, in a way it wouldn’t be fair if a big club went for so long being a shambles, being mismanaged from top to bottom on and off the pitch, weren’t punished for their failings. Some clubs can just buy their way out of this, use the law of averages that eventually they’ll get it right and gain some respectability. We can’t/won’t do it do every other fan will be quite right in being glad that we’re being punished for years of poor decisions and lack of ambition.

Rich, why do you even put the word “can’t” in your final sentence? If Kroenke wanted to make us financially doped, he easily has the money to do so. The start of your sentence “We can’t/won’t do it….” should be: “We won’t do it.…”