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Author:  lomekian [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:01 pm ]
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john1 wrote:
Wenger out


By building a succession plan the club have been removing the need to keep him. Gazidis wants him gone. The only question is will he last the two years or go this summer?

Author:  long time gooner [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:01 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
Not true. If he kicked it twice then it should be a free kick to us.


We still would have needed to score another goal in only 9 minutes and deserved to lose as we were shocking :1laughter:


Oh yes. My feelings too.

Author:  Daz [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:01 pm ]
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Watch how the controversy over the 4th penalty is used to obscure the fact that we were 3-2 down (after a fortunate second goal) with under ten minutes remaining because Wenger thinks defending isn't the fun part of the game.

Author:  lomekian [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:02 pm ]
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As for declining standards:
Nottingham Forest are the first team from a lower division to score 4+ goals against Arsenal in an #FACup tie

Author:  socrates [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:02 pm ]
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By all means pick a weakened side but have some of the big boys on the bench for goodness sake.

We had no defence and no attack and the midfield was no great shakes either.

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:02 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
Gaz from Oz wrote:
I agree it is not clear it was a double kick. Forest don't even have a permanent manager FFS.

The penalty is not an excuse. They were 2 goals ahead of us. Nothing to say Ospina would have saved the retake if it was a double kick. There are no excuses for playing like this. But the manager started making them before we even left London.

What retake? Agree about the rest though.

Yes you are correct it would be our free. If people expect the VAR to solve these problems they will be very disappointed.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:03 pm ]
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We have Chelsea in a 2 legged league cup tie now. Wengers rubbish at those and we will surely lose. There will be serious pressure on him if that happens.

Author:  long time gooner [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:04 pm ]
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Wenger out.

Author:  long time gooner [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:05 pm ]
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socrates wrote:
By all means pick a weakened side but have some of the big boys on the bench for goodness sake.

We had no defence and no attack and the midfield was no great shakes either.

And no manager :20hospitals:

Author:  john1 [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:06 pm ]
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lomekian wrote:
john1 wrote:
Wenger out


By building a succession plan the club have been removing the need to keep him. Gazidis wants him gone. The only question is will he last the two years or go this summer?


Tomorrow I hope

Author:  Gaz from Oz [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:06 pm ]
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Back to bed. 4am here. My team did me proud.

The only questions I have is when do Walcott and Wenger leave. They can share a cab.

Author:  john1 [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:08 pm ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
Back to bed. 4am here. My team did me proud.

The only questions I have is when do Walcott and Wenger leave. They can share a cab.


I’ve already offered Walcott a lift; I can easily squeeze another one in

Author:  Rich [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:08 pm ]
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john1 wrote:
Just feck off Theo

Southampton are interested. Here’s one transfer to not play hardball with. £10-15m. Done

Author:  Gunfire [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:10 pm ]
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lomekian wrote:
Double hit! Ha the goal shouldn't stand. No pen, and shouldn't have counted!

We've been *%^@, but tough to take for the kids.


What kids? Ospina Mert, El Neny, Walcott, Welbeck, Debuchy are all experienced internationals. We were not good enough because there was no drive or desire as their has not been in many games this season. That is 100% the managers fault.

Author:  lomekian [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:10 pm ]
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socrates wrote:
By all means pick a weakened side but have some of the big boys on the bench for goodness sake.

We had no defence and no attack and the midfield was no great shakes either.


THe problem is Welbeck, Walcott and Mertesacker are supposed to be the big boys.

Our first 11 is pretty good. Our squad is weak. Whoever replaces the manager has a lot of work to do. WE are finally approaching the point where he will be leaving the club in a worse state comparatively than when he came onboard.

Very few arguments can be made in his favour

Author:  john1 [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:10 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
john1 wrote:
Just feck off Theo

Southampton are interested. Here’s one transfer to not play hardball with. £10-15m. Done


Give him away. He won’t go though will he. Who else would be stupid enough to offer him £7.3 million a year so he can go and get a few more tatts and a stupid beard and haircut?

Author:  Rich [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:11 pm ]
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Gaz from Oz wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
What retake? Agree about the rest though.

Yes you are correct it would be our free. If people expect the VAR to solve these problems they will be very disappointed.

VAR would have certainly resolved that one in our favour.

Wenger can cling to that. Please can a reporter ask him some serious questions about the defence and what he does on the training pitch....oh what’s the point. Wenger thinks he can get by with a £2m bargain bucket CB from Bolton whilst our rivals actually look to improve their team by doing something radical like buying a player better than anyone they currently have!

Author:  socrates [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:12 pm ]
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john1 wrote:
Rich wrote:
Southampton are interested. Here’s one transfer to not play hardball with. £10-15m. Done


Give him away. He won’t go though will he. Who else would be stupid enough to offer him £7.3 million a year so he can go and get a few more tatts and a stupid beard and haircut?


Walcott has made 400 appearances for Arsenal and is still not a starter.

Author:  lomekian [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:13 pm ]
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Gunfire wrote:
lomekian wrote:
Double hit! Ha the goal shouldn't stand. No pen, and shouldn't have counted!

We've been *%^@, but tough to take for the kids.


What kids? Ospina Mert, El Neny, Walcott, Welbeck, Debuchy are all experienced internationals. We were not good enough because there was no drive or desire as their has not been in many games this season. That is 100% the managers fault.

I don't care how they feel..I DO care about the kids that played...

Author:  Rich [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:13 pm ]
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lomekian wrote:
socrates wrote:
By all means pick a weakened side but have some of the big boys on the bench for goodness sake.

We had no defence and no attack and the midfield was no great shakes either.


THe problem is Welbeck, Walcott and Mertesacker are supposed to be the big boys.

Our first 11 is pretty good. Our squad is weak. Whoever replaces the manager has a lot of work to do. WE are finally approaching the point where he will be leaving the club in a worse state comparatively than when he came onboard.

Very few arguments can be made in his favour

When Sanchez and Özil go the comparison with what wenger took over and what he’ll leave us with is vast.
The back 5. Bergkamp, Wright, Merson. Ok the midfield wasn’t up to much but it was still better than coq and elneny

Author:  Rich [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:16 pm ]
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lomekian wrote:
socrates wrote:
By all means pick a weakened side but have some of the big boys on the bench for goodness sake.

We had no defence and no attack and the midfield was no great shakes either.


THe problem is Welbeck, Walcott and Mertesacker are supposed to be the big boys.

Our first 11 is pretty good. Our squad is weak. Whoever replaces the manager has a lot of work to do. WE are finally approaching the point where he will be leaving the club in a worse state comparatively than when he came onboard.

Very few arguments can be made in his favour

Is our first 11 that good? They still leak goals like a sieve and have no defensive clue and are awful without the ball. The front 3 are good but 2 of them are off.

This squad and first 11 will need £300m (conservative estimate) to bring it back to something not resembling an embarrassment

Author:  warrior [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:16 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
What retake? Agree about the rest though.


I thought he got to do a retake as the first one was a goal ?

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:16 pm ]
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Reminder:

Wenger thinks all those players are better than Lucas Perez

Author:  long time gooner [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:21 pm ]
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warrior wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
What retake? Agree about the rest though.


I thought he got to do a retake as the first one was a goal ?

Nope. It becomes a free kick to us the moment that he plays it a second time.

Author:  lomekian [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:22 pm ]
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Rich wrote:
Gaz from Oz wrote:
Yes you are correct it would be our free. If people expect the VAR to solve these problems they will be very disappointed.

VAR would have certainly resolved that one in our favour.

Wenger can cling to that. Please can a reporter ask him some serious questions about the defence and what he does on the training pitch....oh what’s the point. Wenger thinks he can get by with a £2m bargain bucket CB from Bolton whilst our rivals actually look to improve their team by doing something radical like buying a player better than anyone they currently have!


Nothing wrong with buying players Like Holding as young back-ups. Its retaining has beens, never were's and never replacing the perennially injured that has done for us. The fact is, our second string is worse than half the reserve teams in the division.

Author:  lomekian [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:23 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Reminder:

Wenger thinks all those players are better than Lucas Perez


Yes. That is screwed up

Author:  gooner7 [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:26 pm ]
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Wenger OUT!!!!!!!

Author:  kiwipete [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:26 pm ]
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No genuine Arsenal supporter should even mention the double hit or be screaming about the ref ... okay so it was wrong but he slipped it wasn't intentional ...smacks of sour grapes

We were in short totally outplayed ......not by a superior team ... but a better coached team .

Their manager was shouting instructions throughout ; Bould never even got off his fat arse .

It's in our DNA to f*** around , even down to ten men and 4 - 2 down we did the same


Our forward passing is WOEFUL . Mertesacker pass to gift them their 4th unbelievable , Holding worst game of his career totally rattled by the youngest kid on the pitch

Could we straight swap Walcott plus 20 million for Brereton .
Well done Forest .

Author:  Daz [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:27 pm ]
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Decent interview from Wenger at last.

Author:  warrior [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:31 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
Nope. It becomes a free kick to us the moment that he plays it a second time.

You are correct sir. The commentators said it was a retake on a double hit but it isn't.

"The player taking the penalty kick may not play the ball a second time until it has touched another player. (Interpretation: he MAY play the ball and attempt to score if the goalkeeper or another player has touched it, but not if just bounces back off the post or crossbar; the kicker must not touch it unless another player has touched it).

If, after the penalty kick has been taken the kicker touches the ball a second time (except with his hands, which is a direct free kick penalty) before it has touched another player, an indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team, the kick to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred."

Author:  long time gooner [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:33 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote:
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No genuine Arsenal supporter should even mention the double hit or be screaming about the ref ... okay so it was wrong but he slipped it wasn't intentional ...smacks of sour grapes

We were in short totally outplayed ......not by a superior team ... but a better coached team .

Their manager was shouting instructions throughout ; Bould never even got off his fat arse .

It's in our DNA to f*** around , even down to ten men and 4 - 2 down we did the same


Our forward passing is WOEFUL . Mertesacker pass to gift them their 4th unbeleievable , Holding worst game of his career totally rattled by the youngest kid on the pitch
Could we straight swap Brereton for Walcott .

Well done Forest .

I haven’t spotted anyone on the forum suggesting that refs or double kicks affected the outcome of the game. We were, as you say, awful.

Author:  gooner7 [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:36 pm ]
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Daz wrote:
Decent interview from Wenger at last.


What did he say?

Author:  kiwipete [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:45 pm ]
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warrior wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
Nope. It becomes a free kick to us the moment that he plays it a second time.

You are correct sir. The commentators said it was a retake on a double hit but it isn't.

"The player taking the penalty kick may not play the ball a second time until it has touched another player. (Interpretation: he MAY play the ball and attempt to score if the goalkeeper or another player has touched it, but not if just bounces back off the post or crossbar; the kicker must not touch it unless another player has touched it).

If, after the penalty kick has been taken the kicker touches the ball a second time (except with his hands, which is a direct free kick penalty) before it has touched another player, an indirect free kick is awarded to the opposing team, the kick to be taken from the place where the infringement occurred."

and for all that wonderful encyclopedic explanation ......I'd point out we still would have lost 3 - 2

Author:  Daz [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:53 pm ]
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gooner7 wrote:
Daz wrote:
Decent interview from Wenger at last.


What did he say?


In a nutshell Forest wanted it more - he gave them some credit at least rather than just moaning. Didn't give an opinion on the pens. He seemed genuinely saddened (not that I felt especially sorry for him over that as this is entirely his doing and has had every opportunity to avoid it).

His tone and manner was just better and he didn't snipe at the journo either which I also hate.

Author:  kiwipete [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 6:56 pm ]
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long time gooner wrote:
I haven’t spotted anyone on the forum suggesting that refs or double kicks affected the outcome of the game. We were, as you say, awful.


I didn't say effecting the outcome .... but Rich is doing his usual scream about the ref , with Lomekian moaning about the decision .

No -one has mentioned that Nelson dived .... oops sorry not dived " adapted to give us a better advantage " for the free kick that brought us back to 1 - 1 .

Author:  kiwipete [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:03 pm ]
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Daz wrote:
gooner7 wrote:

What did he say?


In a nutshell Forest wanted it more - he gave them some credit at least rather than just moaning. Didn't give an opinion on the pens. He seemed genuinely saddened (not that I felt especially sorry for him over that as this is entirely his doing and has had every opportunity to avoid it).

His tone and manner was just better and he didn't snipe at the journo either which I also hate.


He got a different perspective sitting in the stand ... probably heard a few Forest comments .

If he'd been in the dugout , getting his rocks off with the fourth official he might have been his normal self .

Author:  Rich [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:17 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Reminder:

Wenger thinks all those players are better than Lucas Perez

And Joel Campbell

Author:  Daz [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:17 pm ]
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kiwipete wrote:
Daz wrote:

In a nutshell Forest wanted it more - he gave them some credit at least rather than just moaning. Didn't give an opinion on the pens. He seemed genuinely saddened (not that I felt especially sorry for him over that as this is entirely his doing and has had every opportunity to avoid it).

His tone and manner was just better and he didn't snipe at the journo either which I also hate.


He got a different perspective sitting in the stand ... probably heard a few Forest comments .

If he'd been in the dugout , getting his rocks off with the fourth official he might have been his normal self .


Yes you may be right there. Looked to me like the 4th pen was actually two footed rather than double hit not sure what the rules say about that!!! Don't really care much though. We are a club in deep crisis and no amount of nonsense about northern refs is going to change that.

Author:  Daz [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:22 pm ]
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lomekian wrote:
Daz wrote:


All very well but what it does not show in any shape or form is that this disparity produces refs who are biased against London clubs and Arsenal in particular.

By the way, percentages are extremely misleading in reporting disparities as opposed to natural frequencies. Why not just give the numbers? The media often report some startling percentage risk increase of heart attacks or stroke in, say, taking painkillers when the difference in actual numbers is not really alarming. A 20% increase or decrease may be not very much at all - the percentage just makes it sound scarily significant.


Re %'s, I've already said that Mike Dean's sample size is the greatest possible, and in previous posts I already mentioned the figues. RE the above, Hoy's already given the exact figures.


Not quite sure what you mean by that but don't worry I've kind of stopped caring. Discussing individual refs or regional origins - and I thought (hoped) Hoy's tongue was a little way in his cheek here - given what is going on at the club seems fairly pointless.

Author:  dec [ Sun Jan 07, 2018 7:23 pm ]
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lomekian wrote:
Rich wrote:
VAR would have certainly resolved that one in our favour.

Wenger can cling to that. Please can a reporter ask him some serious questions about the defence and what he does on the training pitch....oh what’s the point. Wenger thinks he can get by with a £2m bargain bucket CB from Bolton whilst our rivals actually look to improve their team by doing something radical like buying a player better than anyone they currently have!


Nothing wrong with buying players Like Holding as young back-ups. Its retaining has beens, never were's and never replacing the perennially injured that has done for us. The fact is, our second string is worse than half the reserve teams in the division.

It isn't. It has weaknesses but there are still decent players there. The problem is that they play the exact same way as the first 11 and the first 11 attempt to play like Barcelona. Our lack of a cohesive defensive set-up is depressing. We are an embarrassment without the ball.

Then you have a wonderful young player like AMN being played at left back when he should be getting a run in his natural position in midfield. Also, Mertesacker is finished. Fine player in his day but he is gone.

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