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Daz wrote:

LOL

He's not the Jedi you think he is Daz.

How often does he make you go "wow" . Never but he's solid enough to turn in a few reasonable games here and there. Gets nowhere near the first teams of the top 4 of the premiership clubs. Keeper but could do better

You can’t even remember what you thought of Ramsey as a player yesterday, so I wouldn’t go there. Great point otherwise, Monreal regularly gets destroyed in this one game from last season. Not really sure what I was expecting.

TOP GUN wrote:

Play him in the right position in the right setup, and he's one of the best players in the Premier League.

(Ramsey, that is.)

john1 wrote:

Play him in the right position in the right setup, and he's one of the best players in the Premier League.

(Ramsey, that is.)

I'm sorry he just isn't. Half a good season John that's it. Plus that was when he was literally told he could go on the pitch and do anything he wanted as we were really suffering from a lack of movement and pace at that point in time. Poor mans David Platt

Well that one game* is etched in the mind of all gooners so I question the opinion of any Arsenal fan who can't remember that or more.

TOP GUN wrote:

Well that one game* is etched in the mind of all gooners so I question the opinion of any Arsenal fan who can't remember that or more.

Of course you do.

Let's not pretend you also mentioned Pedro and the words 'regularly destroyed'. Or that you've completely changed your opinion on Ramsey while pretending you haven't.

TOP GUN wrote:

Poor man's David Platt - that made me laugh anyway.

As I said, in the right position, and in the right setup.

See Euro 2016 team of the tournament selections.

john1 wrote:

Poor man's David Platt - that made me laugh anyway.

As I said, in the right position, and in the right setup.

See Euro 2016 team of the tournament selections.

Don't see why Ramsey can't give us a dozen goals in a season playing in more central and attacking position.

old man of hoy wrote:

ZZZZ

Truth might be boring but he's right.

TOP GUN wrote:

Said thinking long term. Monreal has been decent ish but is well past his best

He's playing the best football of his life the past few seasons including this one. Great defender.

Daz wrote:

Truth might be boring but he's right.

"Truth." "Right." About something that hasn't happened yet? Methinks not.

Sticking with The Kinks - and why not - this is actually up there with Waterloo Sunset for me even though it's much later.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M1l1Vjl6E4[/youtube]

And sticking with the metrosexual vibe that's been creeping in to the forum with John1's revelations I don't mind adding Ray Davies to Joachim Loew (prior to the finger-sniffing clips) as men I slightly fancy.

Your...

Doesn't suggest he could ever be that prolific in any way

Hazuki wrote:

He's playing the best football of his life the past few seasons including this one. Great defender.

Adams was a great defender. Sansom was a great defender. Nacho is a half-decent defender.

...He's a player not without issue...

Adams was a great defender. Sansom was a great defender. Nacho is a half-decent defender.

old man of hoy wrote:

"Truth." "Right." About something that hasn't happened yet? Methinks not.

I'm watching you, you big Southern jessie.

Sibelius!

bromley gooner wrote:

Adams was a great defender. Sansom was a great defender. Nacho is a half-decent defender.

I would say Adams was a world class defender, if we are going to get tied down in subjective player classifications.

TOP GUN wrote:

Your dropping him for Özil are you?

He's scored 32 goals in his career with us and he's now 27 years old. Doesn't suggest he could ever be that prolific in any way

I don't think Özil is staying.

Therefore Ramsey is a third of the player Lampard was.

Anyway, half-decent is obviously preposterous when talking about Monreal in the last few seasons. He's even managed to consistently look good in our defensive setup.

Hazuki wrote:

Anyway, half-decent is obviously preposterous when talking about Monreal in the last few seasons. He's even managed to consistently look good in our defensive setup.

Sorry Haz but half-decent means 'pretty good' or 'not bad' which I think is obviously a fair assessment.

bromley gooner wrote:

Sorry Haz but half-decent means 'pretty good' or 'not bad' which I think is obviously a fair assessment.

Sorry bromley but I don't think half-decent, or pretty good, or not bad is anything like a fair assessment. Monreal is comfortably better than that on a consistent basis.

On bands .... couple of questions

The Smiths ? Any good and where should I start

Stone roses ? Some good songs but are they over rated ?

TOP GUN wrote:

On bands .... couple of questions

The Smiths ? Any good and where should I start

Stone roses ? Some good songs but are they over rated ?

The Smiths were very good. There's a compilation called Louder Than Bombs which would be a good place to start. The Queen is Dead is a brilliant album.

Stone Roses. The first album and the associated singles and b sides are great along with Fools Gold, One Love and to a lesser extent Elephant Stone. The second album wasn't great at all although Love Spreads is ok.

Steer well clear of anything live though as Ian Brown is an abysmal lead singer.

kiwipete wrote:

strictly women and sheep for me .

And not necessarily in that order?

Well according to you Top Gun, Monreal is better than Clichy, which I'd agree with. When Manchester City, one of the world's richest clubs, decided they wanted a new left back they bought him. When Guardiola arrived there he got rid of the likes of Hart immediately and Toure pretty damn quickly. But he kept Clichy a whole season, only getting rid of him when he was well in his thirties. As Monreal is better than Clichy who he kept until around 32, there's nothing to suggest Guardiola would have shipped him out in 5 seconds.

Sorry, I agree with lots of your viewpoints but you come out with a load of bollocks about many. Monreal is one of them.

Monreal gets a 7 from me. Still comfortably better than Clichy to be fair.

bromley gooner wrote:

Sorry Haz but half-decent means 'pretty good' or 'not bad' which I think is obviously a fair assessment.

Sorry bromley but I don't think half-decent, or pretty good, or not bad is anything like a fair assessment. Monreal is comfortably better than that on a consistent basis.

Niall wrote:

Monreal gets a 7 from me. Still comfortably better than Clichy to be fair.

Seriously, what would you give Clichy then? He was much better than people here used to admit and better than Gibbs.

Author:	john1 [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:44 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote: Daz wrote: LOL He's not the Jedi you think he is Daz. How often does he make you go "wow" . Never but he's solid enough to turn in a few reasonable games here and there. Gets nowhere near the first teams of the top 4 of the premiership clubs. Keeper but could do better Play him in the right position in the right setup, and he's one of the best players in the Premier League. (Ramsey, that is.)

Author:	TOP GUN [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:13 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote: You can’t even remember what you thought of Ramsey as a player yesterday, so I wouldn’t go there. Great point otherwise, Monreal regularly gets destroyed in this one game from last season. Not really sure what I was expecting. Well that one game* is etched in the mind of all gooners so I question the opinion of any Arsenal fan who can't remember that or more. Actually I'd say their opinion is invalid anyway if they can't remember that farce On Ramsey like I said I think he can do a job but think he's far from one of the best players in the league which is absolute nonsense. * it's not he's far some flawless there's plenty more

Author:	TOP GUN [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:15 pm ]
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john1 wrote: TOP GUN wrote: He's not the Jedi you think he is Daz. How often does he make you go "wow" . Never but he's solid enough to turn in a few reasonable games here and there. Gets nowhere near the first teams of the top 4 of the premiership clubs. Keeper but could do better Play him in the right position in the right setup, and he's one of the best players in the Premier League. (Ramsey, that is.) I'm sorry he just isn't. Half a good season John that's it. Plus that was when he was literally told he could go on the pitch and do anything he wanted as we were really suffering from a lack of movement and pace at that point in time. Poor mans David Platt

Author:	john1 [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:29 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote: john1 wrote: Play him in the right position in the right setup, and he's one of the best players in the Premier League. (Ramsey, that is.) I'm sorry he just isn't. Half a good season John that's it. Plus that was when he was literally told he could go on the pitch and do anything he wanted as we were really suffering from a lack of movement and pace at that point in time. Poor mans David Platt Poor man's David Platt - that made me laugh anyway. As I said, in the right position, and in the right setup. See Euro 2016 team of the tournament selections.

Author:	Hazuki [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:36 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote: Well that one game* is etched in the mind of all gooners so I question the opinion of any Arsenal fan who can't remember that or more. Of course you do. Let's not pretend you also mentioned Pedro and the words 'regularly destroyed'. Or that you've completely changed your opinion on Ramsey while pretending you haven't.

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Author:	TOP GUN [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:42 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote: TOP GUN wrote: Well that one game* is etched in the mind of all gooners so I question the opinion of any Arsenal fan who can't remember that or more. Of course you do. Let's not pretend you also mentioned Pedro and the words 'regularly destroyed'. Or that you've completely changed your opinion on Ramsey while pretending you haven't. errr him and Čech at goodison park this season. Numerous examples anyway I can't be arsed to explain them all to a dimwit so ... he's brilliant !! Wot a player Ramsey is too ! They are both tearing up the league ! Your absolutey right on this !!! It just weird why we're 6th nevermind

Author:	TOP GUN [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:44 pm ]
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john1 wrote: TOP GUN wrote: I'm sorry he just isn't. Half a good season John that's it. Plus that was when he was literally told he could go on the pitch and do anything he wanted as we were really suffering from a lack of movement and pace at that point in time. Poor mans David Platt Poor man's David Platt - that made me laugh anyway. As I said, in the right position, and in the right setup. See Euro 2016 team of the tournament selections. Easy to look good for Wales "Just give it to Gareth lad"

Author:	TOP GUN [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:47 pm ]
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Goonie wrote: john1 wrote: Poor man's David Platt - that made me laugh anyway. As I said, in the right position, and in the right setup. See Euro 2016 team of the tournament selections. Don't see why Ramsey can't give us a dozen goals in a season playing in more central and attacking position. Your dropping him for Özil are you? He's scored 32 goals in his career with us and he's now 27 years old. Doesn't suggest he could ever be that prolific in any way

Author:	Hazuki [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:48 pm ]
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Yes, how can we be in 6th place with a really good left back. That's a headscratcher.

Author:	old man of hoy [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:53 pm ]
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Daz wrote: old man of hoy wrote: ZZZZ Truth might be boring but he's right. "Truth." "Right." About something that hasn't happened yet? Methinks not.

Author:	Lincoln gooner [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:54 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote: TOP GUN wrote: Said thinking long term. Monreal has been decent ish but is well past his best He's playing the best football of his life the past few seasons including this one. Great defender. Adams was a great defender. Sansom was a great defender. Nacho is a half-decent defender.

Author:	Northern Ref [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:54 pm ]
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old man of hoy wrote: Daz wrote: Truth might be boring but he's right. "Truth." "Right." About something that hasn't happened yet? Methinks not. I'm watching you, you big Southern jessie. Sibelius!

Author:	Northern Ref [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:58 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote: Your... Doesn't suggest he could ever be that prolific in any way Not like you with your bloody apostrophes, Jesus %^@** christ how %^@** hard is it they teach it at %^@** primary school. Oops. Cover blown.

Author:	Northern Ref [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 3:59 pm ]
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Anyway off to take my whippet to the vet to have her anal glands squeezed. This is actually true apart from the breed of dog; she is a soft southern cockerpoo.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:01 pm ]
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bromley gooner wrote: Hazuki wrote: He's playing the best football of his life the past few seasons including this one. Great defender. Adams was a great defender. Sansom was a great defender. Nacho is a half-decent defender. I think that's a decent summary he's a 6/10 type. He's a half decent lad prone to a roasting every once in a while. Better than clichy and Gibbs so he became a bit of a favourite for locking down the position. Ashley 9/10 Sagna 8/10 Bellerin and Monreal 6/10

Author:	old man of hoy [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:02 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote: ...He's a player not without issue... No need to bring his kids into the argument.

Author:	Hazuki [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:11 pm ]
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bromley gooner wrote: Adams was a great defender. Sansom was a great defender. Nacho is a half-decent defender. I would say Adams was a world class defender, if we are going to get tied down in subjective player classifications.

Author:	Hazuki [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:14 pm ]
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Anyway, half-decent is obviously preposterous when talking about Monreal in the last few seasons. He's even managed to consistently look good in our defensive setup.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:30 pm ]
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Goonie wrote: TOP GUN wrote: Your dropping him for Özil are you? He's scored 32 goals in his career with us and he's now 27 years old. Doesn't suggest he could ever be that prolific in any way I don't think Özil is staying. Then your saying we can compete for the title with Aaron playing the number ten role? On the basis he's scored 32 goals in his career now aged 27 if keeps up this strike rate he could finish his Arsenal career on around 50/60 goals depending on his time of retirement or being sold off. This is about a third of what Frank Lampard scored at Chelsea and their games were similar as based on making runs into the box and movement rather than passing attributes. Therefore Ramsey is a third of the player Lampard was. You don't win titles with players of this type being your focal midfielder

Author:	Hazuki [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:34 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote: Therefore Ramsey is a third of the player Lampard was. Can't compete with math.

Author:	Lincoln gooner [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:48 pm ]
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Hazuki wrote: Anyway, half-decent is obviously preposterous when talking about Monreal in the last few seasons. He's even managed to consistently look good in our defensive setup. Sorry Haz but half-decent means 'pretty good' or 'not bad' which I think is obviously a fair assessment.

Author:	Wirral Gooner [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:39 pm ]
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Daz wrote: Sticking with The Kinks - and why not - this is actually up there with Waterloo Sunset for me even though it's much later. [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M1l1Vjl6E4[/youtube] And sticking with the metrosexual vibe that's been creeping in to the forum with John1's revelations I don't mind adding Ray Davies to Joachim Loew (prior to the finger-sniffing clips) as men I slightly fancy. Great song writer and super live band. Saw them in 81 and either 82 or 83. "The day they knocked down the Palais, my sister stood and cried. The day they knocked down the Palais, part of my childhood died."

Author:	TOP GUN [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 6:52 pm ]
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On bands .... couple of questions The Smiths ? Any good and where should I start Stone roses ? Some good songs but are they over rated ?

Author:	Bernard1 [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:15 pm ]
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bromley gooner wrote: Hazuki wrote: Anyway, half-decent is obviously preposterous when talking about Monreal in the last few seasons. He's even managed to consistently look good in our defensive setup. Sorry Haz but half-decent means 'pretty good' or 'not bad' which I think is obviously a fair assessment. Sorry bromley but I don't think half-decent, or pretty good, or not bad is anything like a fair assessment. Monreal is comfortably better than that on a consistent basis.

Author:	Rich [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:22 pm ]
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We have conceded the last 23 penalties we have given away in the league. Stretching back to August 2013 The most shocking part is that we’ve conceded 23 penalties in 4.5 seasons. Top clubs just don’t concede that many.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:38 pm ]
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Bernard wrote: bromley gooner wrote: Sorry Haz but half-decent means 'pretty good' or 'not bad' which I think is obviously a fair assessment. Sorry bromley but I don't think half-decent, or pretty good, or not bad is anything like a fair assessment. Monreal is comfortably better than that on a consistent basis. He's better than "pretty good" ? Really what's that excellent ? He's a 6/10 or 7 at most. The fact we have an absence of talent is lending people to think these players are better than they are. I seriously think some folks on here are over rating our players, there's a reason we are 6th. Mourinho, pep, klopp even Poch are not touching Monreal or Ramsey and they would be shipped out in 5 seconds

Author:	dec [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:47 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote: On bands .... couple of questions The Smiths ? Any good and where should I start Stone roses ? Some good songs but are they over rated ? The Smiths were very good. There's a compilation called Louder Than Bombs which would be a good place to start. The Queen is Dead is a brilliant album. Stone Roses. The first album and the associated singles and b sides are great along with Fools Gold, One Love and to a lesser extent Elephant Stone. The second album wasn't great at all although Love Spreads is ok. Steer well clear of anything live though as Ian Brown is an abysmal lead singer.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 7:49 pm ]
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dec wrote: TOP GUN wrote: On bands .... couple of questions The Smiths ? Any good and where should I start Stone roses ? Some good songs but are they over rated ? The Smiths were very good. There's a compilation called Louder Than Bombs which would be a good place to start. The Queen is Dead is a brilliant album. Stone Roses. The first album and the associated singles and b sides are great along with Fools Gold, One Love and to a lesser extent Elephant Stone. The second album wasn't great at all although Love Spreads is ok. Steer well clear of anything live though as Ian Brown is an abysmal lead singer. Thanks Dec I'll start with the Smiths. Sound advice

Author:	Bernard1 [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:05 pm ]
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Well according to you Top Gun, Monreal is better than Clichy, which I'd agree with. When Manchester City, one of the world's richest clubs, decided they wanted a new left back they bought him. When Guardiola arrived there he got rid of the likes of Hart immediately and Toure pretty damn quickly. But he kept Clichy a whole season, only getting rid of him when he was well in his thirties. As Monreal is better than Clichy who he kept until around 32, there's nothing to suggest Guardiola would have shipped him out in 5 seconds. Sorry, I agree with lots of your viewpoints but you come out with a load of bollocks about many. Monreal is one of them.

Author:	kiwipete [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:10 pm ]
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john1 wrote: kiwipete wrote: strictly women and sheep for me . And not necessarily in that order? At this very moment I'd take the sheep any day of the week . Two blokes arrived to do the fence one with a bobcat [ that's a little tractor thing for all you highfalutin physicists , scriptwriters and deskbound blowflies ] and are happy to cart away the mountain of debris I've created the day before at no cost to me . I'm excited [ not as excited as Brom over John1 or Daz over Joechim the Kraut ] but very pleased ...... say to Mrs Kiwi .... "magic they are getting rid of the tree for nothing " .... saved probably three trips to the dump $45 plus a mountain of labour for me . She with a face like a twisted prune . "Whats wrong with you " "Oh I hardly slept last night worrying about the fence ... we have had no official statement outlining what exactly they are going to do .... go and tell them to stop " "Bit late for that I'm not telling them , you go out if you feel that strongly "

Author:	Niall [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:14 pm ]
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Monreal gets a 7 from me. Still comfortably better than Clichy to be fair.

Author:	TOP GUN [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:24 pm ]
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Bernard wrote: Well according to you Top Gun, Monreal is better than Clichy, which I'd agree with. When Manchester City, one of the world's richest clubs, decided they wanted a new left back they bought him. When Guardiola arrived there he got rid of the likes of Hart immediately and Toure pretty damn quickly. But he kept Clichy a whole season, only getting rid of him when he was well in his thirties. As Monreal is better than Clichy who he kept until around 32, there's nothing to suggest Guardiola would have shipped him out in 5 seconds. Sorry, I agree with lots of your viewpoints but you come out with a load of bollocks about many. Monreal is one of them. city were signing our players left right and centre including Toure when he had malaria for 15 million and adebayor. Doesn't mean they are amazing players, Monreal is better than clichy but Clichy wouldn't have got anywhere near a regular role in a pep side. He was a squaddie Monreal wouldn't be a bad substitute for arsenal. Nachos heavy heights were playing for osasuna and Malaga. No one of note ever displayed an interest. He is a trier and "not bad" but not much more.

Author:	Bernard1 [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:27 pm ]
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Niall wrote: Monreal gets a 7 from me. Still comfortably better than Clichy to be fair. Seriously, what would you give Clichy then? He was much better than people here used to admit and better than Gibbs.

Author:	Lincoln gooner [ Tue Jan 09, 2018 8:29 pm ]
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Bernard wrote: bromley gooner wrote: Sorry Haz but half-decent means 'pretty good' or 'not bad' which I think is obviously a fair assessment. Sorry bromley but I don't think half-decent, or pretty good, or not bad is anything like a fair assessment. Monreal is comfortably better than that on a consistent basis. Evening Bernard. In my language any of the statements (maybe I should have said 'not bad at all' as opposed to a simple 'not bad'), accompanied by a knowing nod (hard to get across on the forum) are intended as compliments. I like Nacho. He's competent and committed. But I also think he's a bit limited and prefer him at left back in a 4 than as a centre back in a 3, and he's definitely not a centre back in a back 4. I just thought Haz was over-egging the pudding describing him as 'great' - we've been blessed with a few great defenders over the years but he's not one of them.