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Author:  long time gooner [ Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:25 am ]
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Rich wrote:
If the rumours that Aubameyang has agreed a new deal with us are true then it’s great news. It also made me think back to how, certainly one my time supporting Arsenal, that we’ve had some unbelievable strikers/goal scorers pretty consistently for 30 years.
Wright (who was a God to a 10 year old me), Anelka, Henry, Van Persie, Adebayor, Aubameyang
Adebayor and Anelka weren’t as consistent or stay as long as some others but these were 25 a season strikers. When you look at what other top teams have had over that 30 year period we’ve been pretty lucky.

I can still recall the excitement at signing SuperMac.

Author:  long time gooner [ Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:28 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
But the jobs don’t exist anymore that’s the entire point. If you come in to work and there’s no work to perform you’d expect to be out of work at some point

Surely it makes more sense to offer them a generous redundancy payment in a golden handshake then everyone moves on. A redundancy payment can be 5-9 months salary anyway. I bet that head scout is on a massive golden handshake.

Arsenal are one of the only clubs to have paid all their staff 100% of their salaries through out the whole crisis and not used any Government scheme or support to do so. Yet now they are getting battered by the fake twitter outrage mob

Kind of makes sense. But our scouting positions? Those jobs don’t exist any more?

Author:  TOP GUN [ Fri Aug 07, 2020 8:38 am ]
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long time gooner wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
But the jobs don’t exist anymore that’s the entire point. If you come in to work and there’s no work to perform you’d expect to be out of work at some point

Surely it makes more sense to offer them a generous redundancy payment in a golden handshake then everyone moves on. A redundancy payment can be 5-9 months salary anyway. I bet that head scout is on a massive golden handshake.

Arsenal are one of the only clubs to have paid all their staff 100% of their salaries through out the whole crisis and not used any Government scheme or support to do so. Yet now they are getting battered by the fake twitter outrage mob

Kind of makes sense. But our scouting positions? Those jobs don’t exist any more?


It was always likely to get streamlined remember what Mslintat said.

https://shewore.com/2020/08/07/sven-mis ... unctional/

Author:  HoddGooner [ Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:40 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:

Arsenal are one of the only clubs to have paid all their staff 100% of their salaries through out the whole crisis and not used any Government scheme or support to do so. Yet now they are getting battered by the fake twitter outrage mob


A little known fact is that most of our academy coaches are employed as "casual staff" so only usually get paid when the actually coach; during the lock down the club paid them based on average hours they had worked during the current season;
a very generous gesture from the club.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:44 am ]
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Had RvP been healthier, god only knows what he would have done. Eduardo's situation was tragic. I think he would have been one of those players who would have made goal of the season quality scoring for us. Another player who would have been consistently productive and been a bit of a 'Robbie Fowler' for us is Podolski. And possibly the biggest what if may be Gnabry.

Author:  HoddGooner [ Fri Aug 07, 2020 9:47 am ]
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long time gooner wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
But the jobs don’t exist anymore that’s the entire point. If you come in to work and there’s no work to perform you’d expect to be out of work at some point

Surely it makes more sense to offer them a generous redundancy payment in a golden handshake then everyone moves on. A redundancy payment can be 5-9 months salary anyway. I bet that head scout is on a massive golden handshake.

Arsenal are one of the only clubs to have paid all their staff 100% of their salaries through out the whole crisis and not used any Government scheme or support to do so. Yet now they are getting battered by the fake twitter outrage mob

Kind of makes sense. But our scouting positions? Those jobs don’t exist any more?

Scouting at the senior level has change beyond recognition in the last couple of years.
Players are identified by local contacts and the recruitment can be done via statistical analysis and video scouting.

We have signed 3 players into the academy (18-23) during lockdown that can't have been watched in person.

I know Francis and have immense respect for him, but he had very little involvement in the Martinelli deal at all from my understanding; He was actually "given" to our scout in Brazil by Manures local contact after they didn't follow up on their interest; Edu was the one who got it over the line - mainly because he was still in Brazil when this was all unfolding.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:00 am ]
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...and so many other mysteries when it comes to Arsenal strikers where we don't know the real story of why they didn't make it. Joel Campbell, Park Chu Young, Carlos Vela, Ryo, Wellington, Asano.

Author:  Hazuki [ Fri Aug 07, 2020 10:16 am ]
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AmericanGooner wrote:
...and so many other mysteries when it comes to Arsenal strikers where we don't know the real story of why they didn't make it. Joel Campbell, Park Chu Young, Carlos Vela, Ryo, Wellington, Asano.

Don't think there's much of a mystery with these players, they simply didn't have what it takes at this level as evidenced by their post-Arsenal careers. The only one out of those who has done anything of note after Arsenal is Vela.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:32 am ]
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HoddGooner wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:

Arsenal are one of the only clubs to have paid all their staff 100% of their salaries through out the whole crisis and not used any Government scheme or support to do so. Yet now they are getting battered by the fake twitter outrage mob


A little known fact is that most of our academy coaches are employed as "casual staff" so only usually get paid when the actually coach; during the lock down the club paid them based on average hours they had worked during the current season;
a very generous gesture from the club.


That’s a touch of class from Arsenal. Paying valued staff for work they didn’t perform.

Author:  long time gooner [ Fri Aug 07, 2020 1:26 pm ]
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HoddGooner wrote:
long time gooner wrote:
Kind of makes sense. But our scouting positions? Those jobs don’t exist any more?

Scouting at the senior level has change beyond recognition in the last couple of years.
Players are identified by local contacts and the recruitment can be done via statistical analysis and video scouting.

We have signed 3 players into the academy (18-23) during lockdown that can't have been watched in person.

I know Francis and have immense respect for him, but he had very little involvement in the Martinelli deal at all from my understanding; He was actually "given" to our scout in Brazil by Manures local contact after they didn't follow up on their interest; Edu was the one who got it over the line - mainly because he was still in Brazil when this was all unfolding.

Thanks for that An interesting perspective.

Author:  Zed [ Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:15 pm ]
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Arsenal's shadow recruiter.

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Author:  TOP GUN [ Fri Aug 07, 2020 3:11 pm ]
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Zed wrote:
Arsenal's shadow recruiter.


There’s no doubt his influence is etched all over Arsenal right now

All the players we are signing or being linked with are his clients. Even the Lisbon player Joelson we are supposed to be interested in is repped by him.

Just looked at his companies filing at companies house. His revenue was 14.5 million last year. Not bad for essentially doing *%^@ all.

Author:  Ash [ Fri Aug 07, 2020 4:11 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Zed wrote:
Arsenal's shadow recruiter.


There’s no doubt his influence is etched all over Arsenal right now

All the players we are signing or being linked with are his clients. Even the Lisbon player Joelson we are supposed to be interested in is repped by him.

Just looked at his companies filing at companies house. His revenue was 14.5 million last year. Not bad for essentially doing *%^@ all.


That’s not fair, I’ve seen him working hard watching football games in all expenses paid executive boxes the length and breadth of Europe! Did you know he started life as a car salesman? Why am I not surprised

Author:  Zed [ Fri Aug 07, 2020 7:32 pm ]
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Ash wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:

There’s no doubt his influence is etched all over Arsenal right now

All the players we are signing or being linked with are his clients. Even the Lisbon player Joelson we are supposed to be interested in is repped by him.

Just looked at his companies filing at companies house. His revenue was 14.5 million last year. Not bad for essentially doing *%^@ all.


That’s not fair, I’ve seen him working hard watching football games in all expenses paid executive boxes the length and breadth of Europe! Did you know he started life as a car salesman? Why am I not surprised

Kia's uncle and father were both quite succesful in car sales. Father's uncle at one time, ran the biggest car manufacturer in the Middle East. Father had a car dealership called Medway Autos in Kent.
Kia has had a long standing friendship with super agent Pini Zahavi, (remember him?). Zahavi was responsible for acquisition of Chelsea by Abromovich, acted as broker for MSI (Joorabchian).
Fascinating stuff.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:33 am ]
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We haven’t missed Guendouzi one iota since he’s been taken out the fold. Not sure why would contemplate re signing him. Arteta sounds like he can’t wait to see the back of him.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:50 am ]
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I'd personally like to keep AMN for a few reasons. Among which is that he's a good player. Not great. He won't be a great player probably but a good, decent squaddie. He came up through the academy at a very young age and its a good advertisement for the whole Arsenal system to see a player go from academy to first team. He's also flexible and can play multiple positions. With money tight, we need a versatile player.

If he is okay with not being a guaranteed starter and only an occasional starter but a place on the subs bench, then fine. He can have a decent Arsenal career.

If we have no choice (sell before we can buy for example) then so be it, but if its at all possible, I'd like to keep him.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:12 am ]
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Not sure I’d sell Maitland Niles either. To sell him and keep Kolasinac seems a bit crazy.

That said we’re apparently trying to sell 6 players from our squad to balance the books. Has to come from somewhere and nobody will come in for some of our duff players

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:20 am ]
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With the exception of Partey, it seems more pure speculation than anything else.

https://www.football.london/arsenal-fc/ ... r-18723771

Author:  socrates [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:23 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Not sure I’d sell Maitland Niles either. To sell him and keep Kolasinac seems a bit crazy.

That said we’re apparently trying to sell 6 players from our squad to balance the books. Has to come from somewhere and nobody will come in for some of our duff players


Hi TG,

It seems like a lot of the potential suitors want loans with options to buy, which given the prevailing economic uncertainties is perfectly understandable, we would want the same. Unfortunately, unless its with an obligation to buy it does us few favours other than a small loan fee and taking the wages off our hands for a season. If we want to raise £100m for a splurge in the market we need sales not loans.

Author:  socrates [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:25 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Not sure I’d sell Maitland Niles either. To sell him and keep Kolasinac seems a bit crazy.

That said we’re apparently trying to sell 6 players from our squad to balance the books. Has to come from somewhere and nobody will come in for some of our duff players


Kola should definitely go before AMN, you might even argue that Bellerin should to.

It really depends if Arteta can persuade AMN to see his future as a RB/RWB. I think he has the tools for that role but may not have the mindset to want to play there for the rest of his career.

Author:  Bernard [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:47 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
We haven’t missed Guendouzi one iota since he’s been taken out the fold. Not sure why would contemplate re signing him. Arteta sounds like he can’t wait to see the back of him.

If Guendouzi can sort his head out he could be a fantastic player. He will be a player for another thirteen or fourteen years. I very much doubt Arteta will be Arsenal’s manager for anything like that long.

At the very least we should have a clause to get a significant proportion of the transfer fee when his next club sells him, in case Arteta is still at Arsenal when that happens.

Author:  warrior [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:09 am ]
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Wayne Fontana, British singer who topped US charts with Game of Love, dies aged 74

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Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:55 am ]
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Vinnie Jones never played for us, in fact for our rivals. So I wonder if it must be the writers that made him say this?



Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:52 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
We haven’t missed Guendouzi one iota since he’s been taken out the fold. Not sure why would contemplate re signing him. Arteta sounds like he can’t wait to see the back of him.

If Guendouzi can sort his head out he could be a fantastic player. He will be a player for another thirteen or fourteen years. I very much doubt Arteta will be Arsenal’s manager for anything like that long.

At the very least we should have a clause to get a significant proportion of the transfer fee when his next club sells him, in case Arteta is still at Arsenal when that happens.


Would you agree we looked far better and more balanced after he was removed from the fold ?

Author:  Bored [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:20 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
If Guendouzi can sort his head out he could be a fantastic player. He will be a player for another thirteen or fourteen years. I very much doubt Arteta will be Arsenal’s manager for anything like that long.


Bernard: If you could keep Guendouzi OR Arteta who would you choose?

Author:  Bernard [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:28 am ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Would you agree we looked far better and more balanced after he was removed from the fold ?

I think we would have been better with him in the team. There were a number of disappointing performances towards the end of the season, as well as some decent ones.

Author:  Bernard [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 10:30 am ]
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Bored wrote:
Bernard wrote:
If Guendouzi can sort his head out he could be a fantastic player. He will be a player for another thirteen or fourteen years. I very much doubt Arteta will be Arsenal’s manager for anything like that long.

Bernard: If you could keep Guendouzi OR Arteta who would you choose?

With Kroenke as the owner it probably doesn’t matter. To have a different owner I would give up both Arteta and Guendouzi.

Author:  Bored [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 11:28 am ]
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Bernard wrote:
Bored wrote:
Bernard: If you could keep Guendouzi OR Arteta who would you choose?

With Kroenke as the owner it probably doesn’t matter. To have a different owner I would give up both Arteta and Guendouzi.


I understand your point, however given Kroenke isn't going any where which you would prefer to keep, Arteta or Guendouzi? Personally I'd prefer to keep Arteta.

Author:  Bernard [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 12:07 pm ]
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Bored wrote:
Bernard wrote:
With Kroenke as the owner it probably doesn’t matter. To have a different owner I would give up both Arteta and Guendouzi.

I understand your point, however given Kroenke isn't going any where which you would prefer to keep, Arteta or Guendouzi? Personally I'd prefer to keep Arteta.

For as long as Kroenke is the owner, I don’t think it matters much who plays for us or who the head coach is.

I can’t recall if it was the last Gooner podcast I did or the one before that. But there were four of us there. Me, the then editor Kevin Whitcher and two other contributors. It wasn’t featured on the podcast itself, but the four of us debated a hypothetical question while we had a Chinese takeaway for dinner, so before the podcast was recorded for broadcast.

The question we debated was if the only way of getting Stan to sell the club was for Arsenal to get relegated to the Championship, would we take that? It was 50/50, or to be literal in case John reads this, 2/2. Depending on whoever bought the club being a good owner (everyone presumably has their own definition for that) and us coming straight back up next season, me and Kevin Witcher said we’d accept relegation. The other two didn’t; they want Kroenke out, but unlike me and Kevin weren’t willing to see Arsenal lose its record of being in the top division for over a hundred years.

As I’ve said a few times Bored, I try to avoid the forum debates about what players they want bought or sold, or who they want as the head coach. I don’t always succeed avoiding them, but I try to. Compared to who the owner is, I see them as verging on being a meaningless waste of time and effort. That’s why I was determined to make the most of last weekend’s cup final win, despite not having the chance of actually being there. Because I will be very surprised if under Kroenke we see too many more of them.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 1:26 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
Would you agree we looked far better and more balanced after he was removed from the fold ?

I think we would have been better with him in the team. There were a number of disappointing performances towards the end of the season, as well as some decent ones.


Who would you have dropped to accommodate him ? Xhaka ? Ceballos

Author:  Bernard [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 2:44 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Bernard wrote:
I think we would have been better with him in the team. There were a number of disappointing performances towards the end of the season, as well as some decent ones.

Who would you have dropped to accommodate him ? Xhaka ? Ceballos

Torreira against Villa. Xhaka in some games. I wish I hadn’t bothered answering you because you seem to be happy to waste time and effort debating meaningless nonsense about player x or player b. While Stan is the owner, I have difficulty in seeing it as anything other than pointless.

My own view, and that’s all it is - a view and my own - is that it’s largely insignificant while Kroenke is the owner. I’m determined to try and be more disciplined in future and, while KSE owns Arsenal, avoid claptrap about Guendouzi or anyone else. If you find it entertaining or that it passes your time, keep going.

Author:  Lincoln gooner [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 5:31 pm ]
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Superb win for England in the Test Match. Great innings by Buttler, and in particular Woakes :53big-emoticons:

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:35 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
Who would you have dropped to accommodate him ? Xhaka ? Ceballos

Torreira against Villa. Xhaka in some games. I wish I hadn’t bothered answering you because you seem to be happy to waste time and effort debating meaningless nonsense about player x or player b. While Stan is the owner, I have difficulty in seeing it as anything other than pointless.

My own view, and that’s all it is - a view and my own - is that it’s largely insignificant while Kroenke is the owner. I’m determined to try and be more disciplined in future and, while KSE owns Arsenal, avoid claptrap about Guendouzi or anyone else. If you find it entertaining or that it passes your time, keep going.


You can blame Kroenke all you want and I don’t think he’s a great owner but he’s made 2 mistakes, arsenal Fans won’t admit it but far more damaging than any of his influence was that as fans we stood by and watched Wenger run the club adrift and we are still paying for those consequences. He couldn’t sack Wenger whilst 50 percent of our fans still worshipped him.

In October 2008 after that spurs debacle I knew Wenger was finished yet mention it on here and I’d get an earful. A decade later with no tactic changes, coaching changes or anything just anything people finally finally twigged. Years and years it took. It was too late, Now the 2 new managers since are screwed with no champions league football, no money, few sellable assets in their squads and a huge wage bill.

The persons responsible for our transfers the summer of 2016 when we sold rosicky and Jack Wilshere and spent 100 million on Perez, Xhaka and Mustafi did more damage than Kroenke ever could.

Btw wanting us to get relegated is totally nuts !, the next owner is liable to be an even bigger nutter in this day and age.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:45 pm ]
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Presumably Kroenke wasn't at the cup final because Americans are banned from entering possibly as well as limited and likely specific people allowed. Although I would assume club owner would be one of them. However, assuming he wasn't there (I don't recall seeing him or hearing he was there but I am not 100 percent sure), would have come? Was he there for all cup finals as owner?

Author:  Zed [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:19 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
Bernard wrote:
Torreira against Villa. Xhaka in some games. I wish I hadn’t bothered answering you because you seem to be happy to waste time and effort debating meaningless nonsense about player x or player b. While Stan is the owner, I have difficulty in seeing it as anything other than pointless.

My own view, and that’s all it is - a view and my own - is that it’s largely insignificant while Kroenke is the owner. I’m determined to try and be more disciplined in future and, while KSE owns Arsenal, avoid claptrap about Guendouzi or anyone else. If you find it entertaining or that it passes your time, keep going.


You can blame Kroenke all you want and I don’t think he’s a great owner but he’s made 2 mistakes, arsenal Fans won’t admit it but far more damaging than any of his influence was that as fans we stood by and watched Wenger run the club adrift and we are still paying for those consequences. He couldn’t sack Wenger whilst 50 percent of our fans still worshipped him.

In October 2008 after that spurs debacle I knew Wenger was finished yet mention it on here and I’d get an earful. A decade later with no tactic changes, coaching changes or anything just anything people finally finally twigged. Years and years it took. It was too late, Now the 2 new managers since are screwed with no champions league football, no money, few sellable assets in their squads and a huge wage bill.

The persons responsible for our transfers the summer of 2016 when we sold rosicky and Jack Wilshere and spent 100 million on Perez, Xhaka and Mustafi did more damage than Kroenke ever could.

Btw wanting us to get relegated is totally nuts !, the next owner is liable to be an even bigger nutter in this day and age.

Back in August 2011 this wasn't so pretty either.

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Author:  Bernard [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:23 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
You can blame Kroenke all you want and I don’t think he’s a great owner but he’s made 2 mistakes, arsenal Fans won’t admit it but far more damaging than any of his influence was that as fans we stood by and watched Wenger run the club adrift and we are still paying for those consequences. He couldn’t sack Wenger whilst 50 percent of our fans still worshipped him.

In October 2008 after that spurs debacle I knew Wenger was finished yet mention it on here and I’d get an earful. A decade later with no tactic changes, coaching changes or anything just anything people finally finally twigged. Years and years it took. It was too late, Now the 2 new managers since are screwed with no champions league football, no money, few sellable assets in their squads and a huge wage bill.

The persons responsible for our transfers the summer of 2016 when we sold rosicky and Jack Wilshere and spent 100 million on Perez, Xhaka and Mustafi did more damage than Kroenke ever could.

Btw wanting us to get relegated is totally nuts !, the next owner is liable to be an even bigger nutter in this day and age.

The provisos about who the new owner would be and going straight back up was made, I thought. If it was the only way of getting him to sell, I’m not sure it is nuts. You say Kroenke has only made two mistakes. Not sacking Wenger earlier was one. What’s your other?

For me keeping Wenger in post so long was symptomatic of his ownership philosophy. A lack of ambition to win trophies. The club no longer has that ambition. Wenger matched it as the game had outgrown him, as it does with practically all managers. We’re seeing it with Mourinho too. I’m expecting it to with Klopp and Guardiola also, however long it takes. The game moves on from what once made managers great. Wenger was great in his day.

As soon as Arteta makes a name for himself and he gets an offer to join a club offering the chance to achieve more, I can see him going. Moreover I won’t blame him. For me who the head coach is and who plays for us isn’t the main issue. Kroenke’s ownership is.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:37 pm ]
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Bernard wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:
You can blame Kroenke all you want and I don’t think he’s a great owner but he’s made 2 mistakes, arsenal Fans won’t admit it but far more damaging than any of his influence was that as fans we stood by and watched Wenger run the club adrift and we are still paying for those consequences. He couldn’t sack Wenger whilst 50 percent of our fans still worshipped him.

In October 2008 after that spurs debacle I knew Wenger was finished yet mention it on here and I’d get an earful. A decade later with no tactic changes, coaching changes or anything just anything people finally finally twigged. Years and years it took. It was too late, Now the 2 new managers since are screwed with no champions league football, no money, few sellable assets in their squads and a huge wage bill.

The persons responsible for our transfers the summer of 2016 when we sold rosicky and Jack Wilshere and spent 100 million on Perez, Xhaka and Mustafi did more damage than Kroenke ever could.

Btw wanting us to get relegated is totally nuts !, the next owner is liable to be an even bigger nutter in this day and age.

The provisos about who the new owner would be and going straight back up was made, I thought. If it was the only way of getting him to sell, I’m not sure it is nuts. You say Kroenke has only made two mistakes. Not sacking Wenger earlier was one. What’s your other?

For me keeping Wenger in post so long was symptomatic of his ownership philosophy. A lack of ambition to win trophies. The club no longer has that ambition. Wenger matched it as the game had outgrown him, as it does with practically all managers. We’re seeing it with Mourinho too. I’m expecting it to with Klopp and Guardiola also, however long it takes. The game moves on from what once made managers great. Wenger was great in his day.

is.


For me the 2 Kroenke mistakes are not sacking Wenger quick enough although 50% of our fans still wanted him even at the end almost and an owner cant act under that circumstance. The second is appointing Emery who was the wrong guy. Even Emery though had to deal with Arsenes cloud looming over the club and wasn’t allowed to sign Zaha with the board preferring Pépé.

Author:  TOP GUN [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:45 pm ]
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Zed wrote:
TOP GUN wrote:

You can blame Kroenke all you want and I don’t think he’s a great owner but he’s made 2 mistakes, arsenal Fans won’t admit it but far more damaging than any of his influence was that as fans we stood by and watched Wenger run the club adrift and we are still paying for those consequences. He couldn’t sack Wenger whilst 50 percent of our fans still worshipped him.

In October 2008 after that spurs debacle I knew Wenger was finished yet mention it on here and I’d get an earful. A decade later with no tactic changes, coaching changes or anything just anything people finally finally twigged. Years and years it took. It was too late, Now the 2 new managers since are screwed with no champions league football, no money, few sellable assets in their squads and a huge wage bill.

The persons responsible for our transfers the summer of 2016 when we sold rosicky and Jack Wilshere and spent 100 million on Perez, Xhaka and Mustafi did more damage than Kroenke ever could.

Btw wanting us to get relegated is totally nuts !, the next owner is liable to be an even bigger nutter in this day and age.

Back in August 2011 this wasn't so pretty either.


Yes at this point it was totally evident we were done, incredible to think it rolled on for years after this.

Author:  Bernard [ Sat Aug 08, 2020 9:20 pm ]
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TOP GUN wrote:
For me the 2 Kroenke mistakes are not sacking Wenger quick enough although 50% of our fans still wanted him even at the end almost and an owner cant act under that circumstance. The second is appointing Emery who was the wrong guy. Even Emery though had to deal with Arsenes cloud looming over the club and wasn’t allowed to sign Zaha with the board preferring Pépé.

I remember you being supportive of Emery. What seemed to turn you off him was him falling in love with Xhaka. Well Arteta seems to love Xhaka as well. All his managers appear to. Not only Wenger, Emery, Ljungberg and Arteta at Arsenal. But the Swiss national manager and the guy who was at Borussia Monchengladbach.

I’m not convinced by Zaha. He would have cost as much as Pépé (I’m sure I recall his price being £70m last summer), and I think I’d prefer Pépé. Indeed, Pépé has had a more than decent first season. Very fast, loads of skill, and younger so hopefully has more resale value. I’d take him over Zaha.

Onto good news, Bayern beat Chelsea 4-1 tonight, so 7-1 on aggregate. So Chelsea won’t be winning anything this season.

Author:  AmericanGooner [ Sun Aug 09, 2020 1:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Supporters Forum

Word is after Aubameyang signs, Lacazette is being sold to Aletico. Aubameyang and Lacazette are very close friends. It won't go over well but I understand we have sell before we can buy additional players past the 30 mil budget.

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